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A bundle hosted by Oak Grove Games by Esther Wallace with content from 140 creators.

In response to the ongoing crisis in Gaza and occupied Palestine, we're creating this bundle to raise funds for the organization Medical Aid For Palestinians. All funds raised will go to the organization.

From the organization's website: "MAP's vision is a future where all Palestinians can access an effective, sustainable and locally-led system of healthcare, and the full realisation of their rights to health and dignity.

Through our programmes in the West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem, and Lebanon, we work with trusted and experienced local partners to achieve this vision. Our programmes, designed and delivered by Palestinians, provide access to essential health services and build local knowledge and skills to address Palestinian health problems. In times of humanitarian emergency, we are ready to respond rapidly with aid and assistance.

MAP is also committed to bearing witness to the injustices caused by occupation, displacement and conflict. We speak out in the UK and internationally, and ensure Palestinian voices are heard at the highest levels, to press for the political and social barriers to Palestinian health and dignity to be addressed." This bundle will run for two weeks, from October 26th-November 9th, 2023.

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  • Pcosmic on 31/10/2023 - 00:27
    +114

    🍿

    • Wickadz on 31/10/2023 - 00:29
      +15

      Sadly

        • Wickadz on 31/10/2023 - 10:30
          +10

          Open discourse on a bargain website? Lol.

          The little popcorn emoji is just dumb gossip and lame attacks, in this case for the disagreement of religion and borders.

    • ibbi on 31/10/2023 - 23:38
      +10

      You know we can joke and laugh about the squabble of OzBargainers but the truth needs to be put out there.

      I'll just leave this instagram page here of Motaz Azaiza, a local photographer documenting the horrific outcomes of indiscriminate bombings of one the highest densely populated places on Earth. The raw photos of the lived reality of 2.3m humans trapped in an open air prison with no shelter speak for themselves.

      These uncomfortable truths, as difficult as they are to watch, need to be plastered in plain sight so that the masses know what is being perpetrated in the name of Western democracies and the unwavering support of their elected governments.

      https://www.instagram.com/motaz_azaiza/

    • Sammyboy on 09/11/2023 - 09:34

      🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿
      Think one isn't going to be enough lol

  • Kazusa on 31/10/2023 - 00:28
    +130

    Where’s the games for the hostages 🤔 (on a serious note how are we sure these donations go to actual Gazans and not Hamas? Happy to donate to the people in Gaza but not Hamas)

    • blueastro on 31/10/2023 - 00:39
      +6

      Ready or Not?

    • HD9990 on 31/10/2023 - 00:59
      +3

      this is exactly the question asked by IDF when they ban humanitarian resources to enter GAZA… there's really no way to tell…. no electricity… no petrol… no cell phone signals. maybe we should just sit and watch don't we?

        • consume on 31/10/2023 - 04:25
          +38

          Least genocidal hasbara degenerate. Gotta do better than that if you want to convince us genocide is a good thing mate

          • Almost Banned on 31/10/2023 - 15:21
            -8

            @consume: What genocide?

            • consume on 31/10/2023 - 17:48
              +5

              @Almost Banned: 🙈🙉🙊

              • Almost Banned on 01/11/2023 - 18:57
                -2

                @consume: Well, it certainly can't be a genocide of Palestinians by Israeli Jews - the number of Palestinians has jumped massively.

                • consume on 01/11/2023 - 20:52
                  +2

                  @Almost Banned: Population growth doesn't disprove attempted genocide, there tends to be explosions in population growth in ghettos or ghetto like conditions. Similar population growths happened in the Warsaw ghetto and some nazi concentration camps.

                  When the Palestinian people are saying they're being genocided, academics and organisations are saying there's genocide happening, and Israeli warmongers gleefully admitting genocide, then there's probably genocide happening my guy.

                  And you just know that Israel would fast track the genocide of Palestinians if the world wasn't watching and becoming increasingly anti-israeli.

                  • Almost Banned on 01/11/2023 - 23:00

                    @consume: No - I don't know that at all.
                    The Palestinians who remained in Israel became Israelis - about 20% of Israel's population are.
                    On the other hand Jews equal precisely zero percent of the population of Gaza and the Palestinian Authority territory. Those organisations also have the destruction of Israel and the Jews as part of their creed..
                    So, who do you think is more likely to commit a genocide given the chance???

                    • consume on 02/11/2023 - 14:32
                      +9

                      @Almost Banned: Are you forgetting the illegal Israeli settlers bulldozing existing Palestinian homes and residing in the West Bank til this day? Now those settlers are being armed by Israels extreme right wing government to cause more atrocities. I'm gonna go with who the academics are saying is committing a genoicide and why there's a 30:1 death ratio in the last 15 years.

                      • Almost Banned on 02/11/2023 - 15:25

                        @consume: You mean you'll stick with your pre-existing biases.

                      • CowFrogHorse on 09/11/2023 - 16:48
                        -2

                        @consume: Who says they are illegal ?

                        I think you need to go back to law school and understand what legality means in this case.

                        Only the parliament of Israel determines what is legal, and believe it or not, agree with it or not, they say those settlements are legal.

                        • consume on 09/11/2023 - 18:38

                          @CowFrogHorse: Lmao you’d totally defend the illegal seizure of Jewish land and business under german nazi law because their parliament says it’s legal

                          • CowFrogHorse on 09/11/2023 - 19:07
                            -1

                            @consume: consume:

                            Did i say it was morally right ?

                            All i said was the correct definition of legal from the dictionary.

                            Or are you going to be like the nazis and invent words that i never said ?

                            Wow talk about honesty.

                            Whats next call the police because a doctor gives you bad news ?

                    • PumpkinHater on 08/11/2023 - 22:16
                      +1

                      @Almost Banned: Hmmm. Food for thought. There are Muslims in Israel who enjoy full citizenship rights. But no Jews live in Palestine.

                      • Almost Banned on 09/11/2023 - 00:33
                        -1

                        @PumpkinHater: Their are Muslims in Israel's Knesset and on their Supreme Court.
                        Any guesses at how many Jews there are in Hamas, Hezbollah or the PA???

                        • PumpkinHater on 09/11/2023 - 12:27
                          -1

                          @Almost Banned: Well that's what I said that there are Muslims living in Israel as citizens while no jews are allowed in Palestine.

                          • Almost Banned on 09/11/2023 - 12:30

                            @PumpkinHater: Yes, which is why I upvoted you - but to demonstrate even more clearly the difference between the two Muslims aren't merely citizens, they sit in Parliament and on the highest court in the country.
                            Not only do they exist with full citizenship, they also exist at the highest levels of government.

                      • consume on 09/11/2023 - 18:41

                        @PumpkinHater: Palestinians in Israel are treated as second class citizens, and there are Israelis in occupied Palestine called settlers…

                        • PumpkinHater on 09/11/2023 - 21:27
                          -1

                          @consume: Well, I guess Palestinians should not be treated as citizens of any class in Israel, as they are Palestinians, not Israelis, i.e., they are not citizens at all. I am not sure what you are trying to imply.

                          Muslims in Israel who are Israeli citizens do get all the freedoms of being citizens, and as @Almost Banned pointed out, they take part in the government of Israel. On the other hand, there are no Jews in Palestine and do not enjoy citizenship of second, third or even fourth class. To a third party like me, that says a lot.

                          • consume on 09/11/2023 - 23:24

                            @PumpkinHater: Typical hasbara ignoring the systemic discrimination against the Palestinian citizens of Israel, do a little research my dude before saying they get all the freedoms. And again ignoring the ever growing amount of settlers living in occupied Palestine, so you’re wrong, there are Israelis living in Palestine…

                      • Jackson on 09/11/2023 - 23:15
                        +1

                        @PumpkinHater:

                        But no Jews in Palestine

                        What an idiotic statement, as if a Jew is going to choose living in a ghetto under blockade compared with living free in a settlement. Although I guess you could count settlers in the west bank as living in Palestine technically, there's heaps of those

            • Valowick on 01/11/2023 - 17:49
              -2

              @Almost Banned: Maybe the one Iran says they want to do to Israel all the time.

          • Aneurism on 01/11/2023 - 13:51
            +2

            @consume: Those are your words. Both sides have committed acts that lead to the deaths of civilians. If you want to pick a side then you are the one siding with genocide. I side with neither. If you want to be an armchair crusader to feel good about your conscience then actually do something about it and go over there and stop the war. Don't bring it to our doorstep.

            Anyone have bargains for bulk 🍿🍿🍿 ?

            • consume on 01/11/2023 - 20:58
              -1

              @Aneurism: Hmmm, should I side with the oppressed or the oppressors? 🤔
              Maybe I'll be a centrist and be happy with the status quo of genocide and ethnic cleansing! Have some humanity and stop with the shit takes…

              • Aneurism on 02/11/2023 - 03:56
                +2

                @consume: Since both sides claim to be victims, the oppressor is always going to be the opposing side of the 'victim'. You are the one sitting on a high horse touting moral authority based on your take, Both sides will claim the other are terrorists pointing to the intent of genocide en masse.

                Given the cycle of historic cycles of attacks, victimhood and retaliative revenge, there are only a few possible outcomes.

                1. Both sides magically give up and forgive each other under cease fire, making peace and living in harmony like the good humans we are. (Given the history, genocidal tendencies and need for revenge, the claim of land, or for religious reasons this will probably never happen)
                2. Internationals decide to pick a side.. Yet both sides have grief that might rally international allies. Not all countries will take the same side.. So the next solution is World War 3 (the most likely outcome that would bring any form of short-term resolution)
                3. Internationals stay away and the two areas nuke each other or exhaust their resources until there is a winner (Unlikely…see option 2)

                In truth, all leftist morale chin-wagging over this makes little difference. Your morale victimhood spew does nothing except make you feel better about yourself over others who don't hold the same opinion.

                Basically, unless World War 3 happens (in which there could be a lot more civilian death), the only other option is for cease fire to occur because there is a victor after which they can face the war crimes rhetoric (or lack thereof) from whichever international body wants to pursue reconciliation

                I for one am going to have my fill of 🍿🍿🍿 before I pick a side when World War 3 begins (which will be whichever side the Australian government takes.. because you know, perks of being an Australian citizen)

                Given you seemed to have picked a side and decided an oppressor, it will be interesting if Australia goes to war, who will you fight for if the Australian government takes a position that your chosen victim is actually the selected oppressor?

                • consume on 02/11/2023 - 13:28

                  @Aneurism: Alright hasbaraGPT, I pick option 4, ceasefire, BDS and the newly created state of Israel to stop being so evil, even nazis would be proud of them!

                  • Aneurism on 02/11/2023 - 19:54
                    +2

                    @consume: I'm an Atheist and don't follow or care for either or any religion so I'm not sure your attempted jabs have any effect on me. It is clear based on your barbed spew shows what your position is. I have no personal or emotional investment in who wins or loses. It is clear that regardless it is a festering pit of resentment and hate. In truth, everyone loses.

                    It's pretty clear your opinion and solution is one sided without consideration of the other side which wants the same thing in reverse. This only leads to one viable ending. This is as I mentioned circular in nature and will lead to one result. World War

                    In either case you sound like you will be a security risk if Australia gets dragged into a stupid war, Ironic part is they think they are fighting over holy land yet what they will be left with is holey land.

                    🍿🍿🍿nom nom nom

                    • consume on 03/11/2023 - 03:23
                      -2

                      @Aneurism: You're stuck in a mindset where there are only winners and losers, a zero sum game, and you can't talk about peace and win win situations with someone like that. You sound like a warmonger who should never be put in a position of power. Also zionism is supremacy not equated to Judaism, and Jews are calling Israel despicable, so don't group them together like that, its antisemitic.

                      • Aneurism on 03/11/2023 - 16:53
                        -2

                        @consume: Bodily Distress Syndrome movements are a sure-fire win-win. If everyone there had Bodily Distress Sydrome, fighting woud stop for sure

                        🍿🍿🍿nom nom nom

                    • CowFrogHorse on 09/11/2023 - 16:49

                      @Aneurism: THe problem in Israel and the occupied territories has nothing to do with religion.

                      The problem like in many places of the world is there are too many people. Its the same problem with the property prices, traffic and more in Sydney… too many people.

                      Too many people want land in a place that is small.

                      • Aneurism on 12/11/2023 - 05:33

                        @CowFrogHorse: Religion is deeply rooted at the heart of driving the ideology that fuels the conflict. Both sides have two major dividing religious-based populations and ideologies at the extreme that are strongly connected to their religions. It is what drove Zionists to the land and is the quickest and easiest identifier of which area you have access to at the border.

                        If they truly want peace, they should create an entirely new state made of previously Jews and previously Palestinians and create a new people from both who can only become a citizen if they are willing to forgo any past grievances and have a secular state,

                        Then both sides could chant:

                        "From the river to the sea, let's peacefully govern God free. "

                        But let's face facts the orthodox are going to have reasons to resist that notion on both sides and would prefer to just continue with war and conflict rather than live in peace with each other. Forgiveness doesn't seem to be a thing for a certain religion and for so long as there are extreme believers there will be forever religious conflict so long as the orthodox believers exist.

                        • CowFrogHorse on 13/11/2023 - 14:03

                          @Aneurism: Let me qualify my statement…

                          Religion is just the delivery mechanism to brainwash the masses - it didnt start the problem. The actual start of the problem like most things in this world is selfishness, aka greed.

                          Religion is just the final part to tell bullshit to people.

                          • Aneurism on 13/11/2023 - 20:20

                            @CowFrogHorse: It's a lot like the whole guns don't kill people, people kill people sentiment. This of course is true at the base level, and if guns weren't available, people would still kill other people. However, the effectiveness and scale would be different.

                            However, one does not magically wave a magic wand to make human nature disappear. Societies are formed with a hierarchal construct that can be used to influence people as a call to arms. Religion is high on the list.

                            In the end, what caused the problem is irrelevant if there is no quantifiable way to remove the factor. eg. Knowing greed and selfishness or some other ingrained human does nothing if you can't prevent people from exhibiting it. What is worse is people from both sides will accuse each other of being greedy and or selfish. This in effect means nothing.

                            This is why it will just be the same circular argument from both sides leading to never-ending conflict

        • bestroadtech on 31/10/2023 - 06:09
          +20

          John Howard was still our Prime Minister when HAMAS was last voted in.

          The iPhone hadn't been released yet…

        • rooster7777 on 31/10/2023 - 07:06
          +13

          Are you talking about the israeli government?

        • John Doh on 31/10/2023 - 07:13
          +7

          Do you think they would have voted Hamas if they foresaw this future. No. We cannot say they deserve that fate just because they voted once. Also not everyone voted, some might have voted due to fear. We never know. The civilians dont deserve this. Lots of people are just day wage people many with no jobs.

          • SmoothCactus on 31/10/2023 - 08:06
            +25

            @John Doh: Foresaw this future?

            My dude hamas has been operating exactly like this for several decades. Where have you been?

            Civilians are ultimately the ones who pay the costs of war… It's rewriting history to suggest this is new behavior. Hamas have been using civilians maybe more than any other terrorist organisation in the last century, whether it's setting up bases in hospitals, mosques, using civilian shields/hostages, forced suicide bombings, they don't care about civilians other than as a front to the global stage.

            • John Doh on 31/10/2023 - 08:40
              +1

              @SmoothCactus: Hamas are shitty people, no doubts. But even we vote the wrong parties sometime and that should not result in our death 15 years later. Yes they voted Hamas, but little did they know that would spiral out of control and they could never bring hamas down again. Even though many still support Hamas, not all are happy with them and they cannot speak against them. Its like a communist culture. If civilians speak against Hamas, they will probably be killed. If civilians keep quite Hamas will wage war against Isreal and Israel defensive will kill them. What can they do?

              At this point this is more of Iran Israel war than Civilians supporting Hamas.

          • Assburg on 31/10/2023 - 08:49
            +17

            @John Doh: The 1988 Hamas Charter stated killing Jews was a duty of all Muslims, so I imagine those voting wished for an even bloodier future at the time.

            • John Doh on 31/10/2023 - 10:59
              +4

              @Assburg: Its all brainwashing to the maximum since they were kids and add to it lack of proper scientific and logical and moral education. Its so sad.

              • Assburg on 31/10/2023 - 13:49
                +2

                @John Doh: Yeah I am aware, but it leaves Israel in a dilemma with no solution that's both ethical and reasonable.

                Worse yet is how insane Palestinian birth rates are. An anecdote from an ABC RN interview I listened to the other day, a man from Gaza wasn't sure how he was going to feed his 11 children during the conflict.

                The Palestinians seem to shirk all responsibility for the issue at hand, but the population in Palestinian Territories has just grown so disproportionate to the area or resources available (as a consequence of both birthrates and migration).

                There are no historic examples in the middle east that come to mind for me, where one nation has shown mercy to another (with the exception of Israel accepting surrender at the end of the 6 day war), so it seems silly to consider anything other than complete conquest of one state over another as the most humane outcome.

                • CowFrogHorse on 09/11/2023 - 16:52

                  @Assburg: You dont understand…. politics….

                  Both sides are actively trying to have MORE kids to OUTNUMBER the other side.

                  The entire reason the Jewish state created the occupied territory system is because the P were having MORE kids than the J, and they can count and didnt want the P to out VOTE them in the democracy.

                  Its a dangerous game, and the P are indirectly responsible for having too many kids and "forcing" (bad term i know) but the jews didnt want to be outvoted so they created the walls and system we see.

                  • Assburg on 09/11/2023 - 22:39

                    @CowFrogHorse: We've all seen what happened with Lebanon… Israel just learning from other people's mistakes/proactively avoiding the collapse of their state.

          • bargaino on 31/10/2023 - 10:37
            +11

            @John Doh:

            Do you think they would have voted Hamas if they foresaw this future.

            Yes. They consciously chose the path of terrorism and war. Gazans rejected the "weakness" of the PLO / Fatah, who had shown some willingness to negotiate.
            They now want the extermination of Israel at any cost. There was no desire for compromise then or now, as they believe the Arab world will come to their rescue, and push the Jews into the sea. The whole point of the massacre was to provoke a Israeli response, to bring the whole Arab world into the fight by shedding their own blood as well as Jewish. What else was the plan?

            We have millions of descendants of displaced people on each side. All very sad considering that 100 years ago, when the Turks left, the whole region was mostly uninhabited, with plenty of room for everybody.

            • John Doh on 31/10/2023 - 10:56
              +1

              @bargaino: Its human greed and people divided by the gods we cant see but exits in our minds because our parents told so.

              • CowFrogHorse on 09/11/2023 - 19:12

                @John Doh: Only idiots believe in any god, everybody knows this, why do you think all the worlds religions are only here because of rich powerful people.

                We have the bible because the Romans copied it and the arsehole kings of Europe also kept it alive. Islam is the same, we only have it because the Caliphs conquered their world and forced it upon their subjects. This has always been true, after all you had to be rich to learn to read and write in the ancient world. Poor people who can barely feed their family didnt send their kids to school and they certainly couldnt afford to buy writing material to make free copies and give them away.

                • John Doh on 09/11/2023 - 19:24

                  @CowFrogHorse: You dont need to be an idiot to believe in god. Believing in god gives a sense of security and hope and positivity which we all need in these hard times. Things turn south when people start throwing mud at other's gods :D

                  • CowFrogHorse on 09/11/2023 - 19:27

                    @John Doh: Again stupid reasons.

                    Lies in all forms never end well.

                    Its these same lies that lead to extremism from the Nazis, to the Aztecs, or Taliban.

                    If you are unwell you should see a doctor rather than believing in hope from a god or visiting a church or mosque or any other religious building.

                    • John Doh on 09/11/2023 - 19:38

                      @CowFrogHorse: I know what politicians do with religion. Its divide and rule. Else all people will get together and overthrow them. But believing in god has its own purpose. Let me put it this way.

                      Imagine walking on a plank of wood between 2 buildings. you get shaky? Now bring down this same plank to ground level. Easy to walk now? Because you know ground is near to you? Believing in God gives the same effect. Some faith in god will make the ground come nearer even if its in a false way. That faith and hope will take people a bit further.

                      Also its good to believe in higher power. People are more scared to do bad things fearing god. If they know there is no god and no sin, there would simply be more violence. It is alright if you dont believe, but I first hand feel like believing in god because it gives more hope and peace of mind.

                      Like i said it has its own good and bad things.

                      • CowFrogHorse on 09/11/2023 - 19:42

                        @John Doh: I appreciate the small helps you are claiming belief gives, but you are avoiding the REAL impact that religion causes on the world.

                        Take a look at the middle east, thats a BILLION people living in a corrupt, dictatorship which is enabled because of religion.

                        You just dont understand that its impossible to argue with god, thats why nobody can say anything in those countries because well the leader of the country says you are a heretic and bang your dead the next day.

                        Even your mild examples of faith are broken.

                        Do you know how many millions of people in africa or even USA waste their lives with faith healers instead of going to real doctors ?

                        Thats millions of kids and others dying for no reason except the stupidity of religion and the aresholes who leverage this stupidity for greed.

                      • CowFrogHorse on 09/11/2023 - 19:45

                        @John Doh: John: Also its good to believe in higher power. People are more scared to do bad things fearing god. If they know there is no god and no sin, there would simply be more violence. It is alright if you dont believe, but I first hand feel like believing in god because it gives more hope and peace of mind.

                        cow: Who says god has good standards ?

                        Have you actually read the bible or koran ?

                        Dol you realise those books are filled with horrible ideas and even more importantly they completely skip condeming evil ?

                        Neither book for example says slavery or raping kids is wrong…thats why today there are millions of underaage girls raped by dirty old men in Africa and Asia because their holy book doesnt say this is wrong.

                        If you have to get your morals from a holy book theres something wrong with you.

                        There is nothing benevolent about the Bible or Koran or any other holy book as i explained in other comments we only have those books because aresholes of the worst kind gave them to us.

      • Sven Viking on 31/10/2023 - 02:37
        +40

        It’s one of the things Hamas and Israel both agree on if that helps.

        • Nedward on 31/10/2023 - 11:15
          -1

          I'm not questioning whether there are hostages but I can think of at least one reason for both Hamas and the IDF to support this.

    • timmylol on 31/10/2023 - 06:30
      +29

      There’s of course no guarantee any aid provided to Gaza will actually go to Gazans. That’s true for aid provided anywhere - some portion of it inevitably fall victim to corruption and bad actors.

      But what’s the alternative, just starve an entire cohort of 2.3 million mostly innocent women and children, based on the justification that trying to feed them could also provide some unintended assistance to some terrorists? That unfortunately seems to be a position the Nethanyahu regime seems to be taking, and they’re just as bad as the terrorists if so.

      • MinecraftObama on 01/11/2023 - 19:47
        +1

        Funding more missiles to be thrown at a super power, funding more tunnels to prolong an already lengthy and bloody conflict, funding more weapons to be used against Gazans attempting to flee.

        Not saying this is guaranteed but can you live with yourself if even a small contribution you made went to this?

        Same with funding for Israel.

    • superuser on 31/10/2023 - 06:58
      +2

      Counter strike 2

    • mbm on 31/10/2023 - 08:19
      +9

      How do we know donations to support Israeli hostages doesn't go to the current IDF's genocide?

      • Toxinor on 31/10/2023 - 11:42
        -2

        Aren't they the same?

      • MinecraftObama on 01/11/2023 - 19:49
        +1

        Exactly, this is not our war. We know nothing of the actual conflict on the ground.

      • CowFrogHorse on 09/11/2023 - 16:54

        Who says its a genocide ?

        You do realise that arabs in the jewish state are many times safer than any other arab state ?

        Go look at your history books, Saddam killed millions, Syria, Libya, Egypt, Iran etc… the governments of those countries kill more every year than the state of Israel has killed since 1948.

        If you want to throw the word genocide around, then you should also call Hamas far worse. They kill more of their own people every year, its basically a gangster state.

    • Pl4k78 on 31/10/2023 - 09:50

      If you read the description, you will answer your own question.

      • lew380 on 31/10/2023 - 11:45
        +8

        The idf have continuously exchanged land/power for peace, they pulled out of gaza, they allowed self governance and they got hamas. The idf surrendered almost all of the land they captured in the 6 day war, for peace, it always blows up in their faces. I dont think they are interested in concessions right now, and with precedent.

        • subwoofer on 31/10/2023 - 13:28
          +17

          Almost close to 700k colonizers have ethnically cleansed Palestinian since the oslo accord in the west bank. The moral isreali army gives the Palestinians two options, demolish your own house or we'll demolish it for you and send you a bill. I mean how evil and repugnant is that?

          • CowFrogHorse on 09/11/2023 - 19:25

            @subwoofer: And you also live in Australia, i guess that makes you a contributor to genocide… so what are you going to do ?

            • subwoofer on 09/11/2023 - 22:13

              @CowFrogHorse: Look I love Australia and love Aussies but I don't claim their bloody history with our First Nation people. If the entire world stood with Australia's natives and other Natives in the world and prevented their genocide, maybe we would have Palestine today.

              I'm sure the Palestinians will end up just like our First nation people, isreal will drive them to extinction then just before they get obliterated, they'll stop and start campaigning for the human rights of the three Palestinians left in isreal.

              I'm sure if Australia was "discovered" in 1988 instead of 1788 the Aboriginal people would have suffered the same fate, which leads me to believe that the white man still harbors the same genocidal traits. Isreal is a living example.

              • CowFrogHorse on 09/11/2023 - 22:20

                @subwoofer: From your usage of the word genocide you have no concept of what the word means nor the history of the land.

                Do you know who kills more palestinians today than anyone else ?

                Its Hamas, thats right the people who do what they do are also butchers against their own people. Israel has killed far fewer Palestinians than Hamas .

                If the entire world stood with Australia's natives and other Natives in the world and prevented their genocide, maybe we would have Palestine today.

                Really you should look around the neighbourhood of Israel.

                Do you know how many brothers are killed by brothers in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt etc ?

                Do i really need to show you examples of what happens when arabs rule arabs ?

                You should go look how many peple have died in arab countries over the past 10 years and then compare that against how many arabs have died in israel.

                Wnat me to remind you of Syria or ISIS or Taliban or Saudi arabia or Iran or Libya ?

                Thats millions of dead there….

                • subwoofer on 09/11/2023 - 22:38

                  @CowFrogHorse: Hamas didn't kill one Palestinian, it's all isreali propaganda. ISIS? it was created by America and destroyed by America's foes namely Iraq, Iran, Syria and to a lesser extent Russia. I remember Iraqi army chief went on Aljazeera saying if it wasn't for the US army imposing a no fly zone over ISIS, they would have destroyed them in two months. Political Islam is manufactured by the CIA and funded by Saudis.

                  I'm not going to engage with your diatribe about Arabs, I've seen Starbucks, McDonald's and other genocide supporting US businesses being deserted in droves all in support of the Palestinian people. McDonald's and Starbucks are giving their food for free and nobody's taking their offers. Starbucks restaurants used to be so crowded you needed to book weeks in advance in Arab countries.

    • alikazi on 31/10/2023 - 10:40
      +5

      Hamas is made of Gazans whose loved ones were killed or injured by Israelis. People dont just enjoy being bad guys, except psychopaths, and Israel is, objectively speaking, full of psychopaths.

      • JohnHowardsEyebrows on 31/10/2023 - 10:53
        +8

        Most Israelis aren't, but well done on the bigoted generalisation. The issue is the ultra orthodox who don't work or fight, but control the balance of power, holding sway of Israeli politics, leading to the endless settlements in the West Bank, and all the violence they perpetrate to do that.

        Most Israelis are secular or moderate, and are being dragged down by the fundamentalists. The same can be said of Iran, albeit in a very different dynamic.

      • CowFrogHorse on 09/11/2023 - 19:14

        Can you tell me how many Gazans have been killed by Hamas in the same time ?

        You do realise that Hamas routinely kills far more arabs….of being disloyal etc.

    • DevD on 31/10/2023 - 11:17
      +12

      I dont understand how people who are so pro-gazans and anti-Israelis dont understand that if anyone is bad for Gazans are not Israelis but Hammas.
      If Hammas really cared for Palestinians, they would not have hid behind innocent Gazans as cowards.
      You can't blame Israel to do what they are doing.

      • lew380 on 31/10/2023 - 11:50
        +10

        You cant blame people for fighting back, resistance movements, attrition even. But hiding behind civilians, using your own children as props for sympathy is far below any level of reasonableness. I can understand a freedom fighter of any sect, but Hamas instigated all this death, they have planned for this level of death and destruction on the innocent and their plan is going wonderfully.

        • subwoofer on 31/10/2023 - 13:23
          +8

          You are accusing the Palestinians of the exact same thing that the isreali army does, Aljazeera captured an isreali jeep in the west bank with a child on the windshield, they're hiding behind a child shame on you for parroting their propaganda.

          • infinite on 31/10/2023 - 21:42
            +5

            @subwoofer: Palestinians elected Hamas into power and have openly supported them in every way imaginable for years. Nothing about that is propaganda.

            You don't get to invade a country in a surprise attack, blow up their hospitals and behead their children, then runaway crying "war criminals" when you and every one of your supporters who invaded and started the war is rightfully blown to hell.

            • subwoofer on 31/10/2023 - 23:21
              +1

              @infinite: that was cheap isreali propaganda even the isrealis now are refusing to parrot the beheading grotesque lie. In fact Haaretz published an article about the Israeli army bombing their own civilians in areas where hamas took over. what happened on 7th October was prison break, you don't put people in concentration camp for 20 years with no repicussion

              • MinecraftObama on 01/11/2023 - 19:51
                +3

                @subwoofer: Mr Aljazeera here criticising someone else for using propaganda. Lol

                I can't even find what the hell you are talking about. Link.

            • MinecraftObama on 01/11/2023 - 20:05
              -1

              @infinite: Hamas got 44.45% of the seats in 2006, not a majority of the population.

              After they won they murdered their opposition and stopped having elections. We dont know if Gazans support Hamas, they are held hostage. They have no choice.

              • infinite on 01/11/2023 - 21:40

                @MinecraftObama:

                Hamas got 44.45% of the seats in 2006

                Labor's first preference vote tally was only 32% at the last federal election.

                • MinecraftObama on 01/11/2023 - 21:45

                  @infinite: Apples and oranges. Im not saying it isnt a significant amount, im saying its not the majority of Gaza, and that was from 2006, no way is that a good reference for who Gaza supports now.

                  • infinite on 02/11/2023 - 15:56
                    +1

                    @MinecraftObama: Gaza openly supports Hamas and has done so for well over a decade. You'd have to be living under a rock to not know that.

                    • MinecraftObama on 03/11/2023 - 10:06

                      @infinite: Maybe but i need to see some sort of data on that because intuitively it doesnt make sense to me

                      You could be right

                  • lew380 on 02/11/2023 - 18:05

                    @MinecraftObama: True, but the good people of Gaza need to rise up and take out Hamas. Israel taking out Hamas is a far less effective strategy but it's all they or anyone can do right now. No one should compromise with terrorists, as brutal as that is for the innocent, this seems to be a truth for all people except Isreal.

          • CowFrogHorse on 09/11/2023 - 19:15

            @subwoofer: You do realise who owns Aljazeera ?

            Have you actually seen how the gulf states treat their people ?

            Do you know how many indians and philipinos are raped and die and more in those countries ?

        • CowFrogHorse on 09/11/2023 - 16:58

          Freedom ?

          NOT all freedoms are good, look at America, they got their freedom, but if you compare the average Australian and the average American, the winner is no question.

          You do realise that living in Israel as a muslim is far better than living in basically all other muslim states in the world.

          The more the P fight for freedom the worse Israel is forced to increase the measures they take.

      • subwoofer on 31/10/2023 - 13:20
        +2

        The isrealis said the same thing in Lebanon, what is happening in Gaza is genocide, shame on you for encouraging genocide, the killing of infants, targeting schools, hospitals, churches, mosques, journalists, and the nazi like propaganda accusing Palestinians of using human shields, the very same thing the isreali army does when storming Palestinian houses, they find the first child in the family and use them as human shields.

        • SolidlyIrresponsible on 31/10/2023 - 13:39
          +5

          It is weird you are mentioning Lebanon, that got badly destabilised after the PLO set up base and eventually got exiled from Lebanon by the Lebanese.

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