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A bundle hosted by Oak Grove Games by Esther Wallace with content from 140 creators.

In response to the ongoing crisis in Gaza and occupied Palestine, we're creating this bundle to raise funds for the organization Medical Aid For Palestinians. All funds raised will go to the organization.

From the organization's website: "MAP's vision is a future where all Palestinians can access an effective, sustainable and locally-led system of healthcare, and the full realisation of their rights to health and dignity.

Through our programmes in the West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem, and Lebanon, we work with trusted and experienced local partners to achieve this vision. Our programmes, designed and delivered by Palestinians, provide access to essential health services and build local knowledge and skills to address Palestinian health problems. In times of humanitarian emergency, we are ready to respond rapidly with aid and assistance.

MAP is also committed to bearing witness to the injustices caused by occupation, displacement and conflict. We speak out in the UK and internationally, and ensure Palestinian voices are heard at the highest levels, to press for the political and social barriers to Palestinian health and dignity to be addressed." This bundle will run for two weeks, from October 26th-November 9th, 2023.

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          • subwoofer on 31/10/2023 - 13:49
            +1

            @SolidlyIrresponsible: isreal invaded Lebanon in 1982 and killed 20,000 civilians close to 5% of Lebanon's population and they forced the plo to relocate to Tunisia.

            • SolidlyIrresponsible on 31/10/2023 - 13:52
              +6

              @subwoofer: But the civil war started back at 1975, following the destabilisation brought by the same Palestinians who were expelled from Jordan for Black September.

        • CowFrogHorse on 09/11/2023 - 16:59

          @Subwoofer: How many people does Hamas execute in Gaza every day for not supporting them ?

          By people, i mean how many arabs do they execute ?

          DO your research befor eyou throw labels aroubd, because if you are going to call israels actions genocide then waht are you going to call Hamas for what they do to their own people ?

    • Almost Banned on 31/10/2023 - 15:23
      +5

      It is not hard to feel compassion for Palestinians at large.
      It is impossible to feel compassion for those who rape and murder women and babies and slaughter whole families in their homes - then drive hostages back to tunnels.

    • Ziitek on 04/11/2023 - 18:06
      -1

      Don't believe all the BS narratives played out by the zionist controlled and owned media. Think for yourself.

      • CowFrogHorse on 09/11/2023 - 17:00
        -1

        Good thing you actually share some useful thoughts with evidence, instead of throwing labels like a 5 yo.

        You might also want to ask your arab mates what your name means…

        • Ziitek on 09/11/2023 - 20:59

          Ok Karen, go back to your hole now… your zionazi mates awaits.😑

  • Saleman on 31/10/2023 - 00:33

    👍👍👍

  • SickDmith on 31/10/2023 - 00:39
    +26

    The caption of this deal is… very… confusing…
    My first reaction was "I don't think they need games".

    Update:
    The game collection is very awkward too.
    I know the intensions are good.
    But I have very mixed feelings now.

    "Meet your end"
    "Froggy's Battle"
    "Foul Play"
    "Gas Leak"
    "Slasher U: An 18+ Horror Movie Dating Sim! Act 1"
    "Rebellion Focus"
    "GODKILLER: First Blood Edition"
    "Apocalypse Roadtrip"
    "GONCHAROV MUST DIE"
    …
    and so on

    Are these indie developers really depressed all the time?

    • muzzakus on 31/10/2023 - 00:52
      +38

      Gas Leak? They’re not even trying to hide it anymore

    • WinnieRallycar on 31/10/2023 - 06:26
      +3

      Trying to be an indie dev leads to a lot of depression, I think. Tough times.

    • Tyrx on 31/10/2023 - 07:05
      +24

      This is the person who organised the sale of this collection.

      Hi y'all! Welcome to Oak Grove Games. I'm Esther (she/zhe).

      I live, work, and play at the intersections of meaning-making, ritual, disability justice, organizing, gameplay, and design.

      The person might as well be a chicken advocating for KFC.

      • Phoenixzeus on 31/10/2023 - 09:25
        +2

        Maybe I'm getting old but I don't understand a lot of those words.

        • belongsinforums on 31/10/2023 - 19:15
          +4

          the joke is that palestinians would kill someone just for looking gay

    • easternculture on 31/10/2023 - 07:21
      +9

      You forgot
      "It was never yours"
      "Dweller Among the Dead"
      "Doikayt: A Jewish TTRPG Anthology"
      "Steamed Hams"
      "Bombing!!: A Graffiti Sandbox"

    • sien on 31/10/2023 - 07:27
      +10

      From the river to the sea
      Games so weak they should be free.

    • neonlight on 31/10/2023 - 11:27
      +1

      Meet your end? Really?

  • King Steuart on 31/10/2023 - 00:40
    +17

    Not seeing any games worth my time

    • Kommodore on 31/10/2023 - 05:13
      +18

      That is because none of the real game publishers were gonna put their names on something like this.

    • mesirix on 31/10/2023 - 11:05
      +3

      There's plenty of fantastic games there - beam saber, songs for the dusk, apocalypse frame, ten million hp planet, all pretty popular.

    • Vater Woods on 31/10/2023 - 00:52
      +29

      Why? Is it because the average life expectancy of people in Gaza is less than 18?

        • Vater Woods on 31/10/2023 - 00:55
          +23

          You mean this:
          The Irgun (Etzel): Known as the National Military Organization and the Military sector of the Revisionist movement, the Irgun stated that “political violence and terrorism” were “legitimate tools in the Jewish national struggle for the Land of Israel.”

            • Vater Woods on 31/10/2023 - 01:08
              +37

              @Broden: Maybe you should watch some actual history and real news. Rather than trying to be brainwashed. I have seeing the opposite of video you posted, but I keep my thoughts.

              You can track my comments history, and find I am an atheist, so I do not like religion from both side.

              I am seeing photos and videos of tens and hundreds of innocents children dead.

              I am also seeing fake news of 40 babies decapitated, women raped(turned out to be Israel soldiers did it), children burnt(turned out to be AI generated), Hospital bombed(Israel provided both cropped video and edited voice recordings). One side have no credibility whatsoever left, one side can not be heard.

              And here is a bit more history for you:
              In the 11 years leading up to the creation of the state of Israel in Palestine in 1948, Zionist extremists who lived in the territory of Palestine under the British Mandate used terrorism as a military strategy to accelerate the establishment of an independent Jewish state. Their violence was directed against the British authorities who governed Palestine and against the Palestinian indigenous population throughout Palestine. Over 57 violent attacks were carried out by Zionist terrorist groups (e.g. Haganah, Lehi, Irgun – ultra-nationalist groups from the far right wing of the Revisionist Zionist movement) killing over 5,000 Palestinians and dozens of British.[2] While Zionist terrorist groups assassinated UN personnel, murdered British officers and attacked British military headquarters to overthrow the Mandate, they terrorized Palestinian inhabitants in order to provoke mass flight, displacement and migration.

              • CheapCoffee on 31/10/2023 - 01:23
                +4

                @Vater Woods: You might enjoy reading throug this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/179unyn/what…

              • incipient on 31/10/2023 - 01:40
                +6

                @Vater Woods: Both sides have done some pretty horrible things over the last…yonks. There isn't really a clear "who's in the right", and depends heavily on your window of reference.

              • Charlieeee on 31/10/2023 - 01:40
                +18

                @Vater Woods: "children burnt(turned out to be AI generated)" Not true. The claim that it was AI generated is debunked and completely fake news. It was real.

                • Vater Woods on 31/10/2023 - 01:45
                  -1

                  @Charlieeee: I have seen photos of victims burnt by white phosphorus used by Isreal, they are less charred than the burnt baby.

                  I have seen photos of hostage killed and burnt by Hamas(turns out it was Israel tank shell did it)

                  • mouzii on 31/10/2023 - 08:33
                    +5

                    @Vater Woods: This is correct, Haaretz (an Israeli media source) interviewed multiple IDF soldiers and officers who admitted they had shelled the houses in the kibbutz after other methods had failed to push Hamas out. They had also launched rockets on their own forces when they realised their methods were ineffective. This is why so many hostages were killed in the crossfire - the IDF were shooting anyone and anything (words of Yasmine Porat).

                  • fredblogs on 31/10/2023 - 21:05
                    +3

                    @Vater Woods: The white phosophorous is fake (AI generated). The IDF bombing of Gaza is also fake (AI and game engines).
                    See how easy that is?

                    • Vater Woods on 31/10/2023 - 21:58

                      @fredblogs: So, I guess you don't know Israel killed 31 Reporters, detained 9, and killed 29 UN personnels?

                      And do you also want to claim over 3000 childrens dead as fake?

                      • javawoo on 08/11/2023 - 22:34

                        @Vater Woods: Free israel

                        • Vater Woods on 09/11/2023 - 10:20

                          @javawoo: Isreal isn't free? Killing 88 UN personnels, 39 Reporters, 60+ doctors and medics, 10000+ innocent civilians with over 5000 innocent children.

                          Achieving 60 Hamas personnel? Killing over 200 times more innocent people is what your moral value is?

                          When all Hamas personnels that took action in 7 Oct all died already in Isreal.

                          You need to see a mental doctor.

              • iperezgenius on 31/10/2023 - 01:53
                +32

                @Vater Woods: Why do you think its okay to look back almost 70 years and say what some Israeli group did then, right or wrong is totally okay for others to do now. If you believe what the irgun did back then was wrong then what hamas has done and is doing is wrong too.

                Its shocking that you think that every Israeli image is AI generated, every story about rape and murder is made up but all the stories about palestinians is 100% true.

                Talk about brainwashing Hundred of people are standing in streets around the world all in support of a TERRORIST organisation. Hamas is a Terrorist organisation. They may living amongst the palestinians but they are TERRORISTS. They would just as easily kidnap you as they would any Israeli. They would just as easily kill and behead any of your children as they would any Israeli. They want to destroy the west as much as they want to destroy Israel. The more you sympathise with them the more power you give them.

                Final point, the palestine of that era "1948" was not the same palestine of today. Maybe you should look that up…

                • Vater Woods on 31/10/2023 - 01:58
                  +6

                  @iperezgenius: If you want to look at more recent figures, Israel claimed they left Gaza from 2005. Yet UN data shows Israel bombed and killed 150 thousands Gazan since 2008, 33 thousands of those children.

                  This is figure from 2008 but before 7th October.

                  • slepax on 31/10/2023 - 02:11
                    +11

                    @Vater Woods: The UN is very unreliable when it comes to Israel. I am not saying what Israel did or did not do, but Israel has been the most condemned state by the UN in recent times, this is despite: Russia attacking Ukraine, China coercing over Taiwan and Hong Kong, in Syria president Assad killed hundred of thousands, I can go on. None of this made headlines.

                  • bestroadtech on 31/10/2023 - 06:40
                    +9

                    @Vater Woods: Sorry, you think "UN data shows Israel bombed and killed 150,000 Gazan since 2008, 33,000 of those children"?

                    That many people haven't died from the conflict since 1948, let alone 2008, even if you include all of Palestine and Israel.

                    Since 2008 (prior to current events) 6,500 Palestinians have been killed. That includes civilians and combatants (since it's notoriously difficult to tell them apart).

                    A lot more than should have been killed, but nowhere near the 150,000 you claimed, and that figure is inflated by two years of bad fighting where over 3,000 people were killed, many of which were HAMAS militants.

                    On an average year, a few hundred Palestinians are killed in the conflict, including combatants. For context, in the U.S., over 1,000 civilians were killed by police last year.

                    ~300 a year including many (or mostly, according to Israel) combatants is also not proportionate to targeting >1,000 civilians in a single day. No wonder Israel is reacting even more disproportionately now, just the like US did in Iraq and Afghanistan after 11/9.

                    • subwoofer on 31/10/2023 - 13:59

                      @bestroadtech: You are justifying genocide while belittling the lives of Palestinian lives. Just in August alone 150 Palestinian children were shot by isreali moral army in the west bank, and not to spoil the party Hamas has no control of the West bank, (there goes the human shields blood libel used by idf)

                      • [Deactivated] on 31/10/2023 - 17:14
                        +2

                        @subwoofer:

                        In August alone 150 Palestinian children were shot by Israel … in the West Bank

                        Where's your source? Because I can't find any support for your claim. Even the explicitly pro-Palestinian Al Jazeera doesn't support that claim:

                        "More than 200 Palestinians and nearly 30 Israelis have been killed so far this year in the occupied West Bank and Israel – a level of violence surpassing last year’s entire death toll and the highest number of fatalities since 2005, the United Nations Middle East envoy has said."

                        200 Palestinian all year in the West Bank including combatants and conflict between Israeli and Palestinian civilians, NOT 150 children in August by the IDF, and that's the deadliest it's been since 2005! Until HAMAS attacked in October, of course.

                        Again, over 1,000 civilians died at the hands of U.S. police last year. Palestine is a combat zone, filled with terrorist launching rockets and religious extremists on both sides. It's amazing that the IDF is able to keep causalities as low as it does.

                        Where are all these insane "alternate facts" coming from?!

                • RobotWizard on 31/10/2023 - 02:27
                  +5

                  @iperezgenius: Who told you people were out on the street to support HAMAS?

                  • incipient on 31/10/2023 - 03:10
                    +2

                    @RobotWizard: There are plenty of videos showing citizen support for hamas. Which does make sense, they're the ruling political party.

                • rooster7777 on 31/10/2023 - 07:12
                  +3

                  @iperezgenius: "Final point, the palestine of that era "1948" was not the same palestine of today. Maybe you should look that up…"

                  So your theory is something along the lines of…"We are victims. If you do what we did to you, you are a terrorist"

                  How does your logic hold up in discussion of the holocaust?

                • subwoofer on 31/10/2023 - 13:53
                  -2

                  @iperezgenius: Terrorists according to which international court? which judge? you know what isreali bombs do to the civilian population? they incinerate them alive, or their heads explode. Also you are parroting isreali propaganda about Hamas killing babies EVEN THE IDF refused to verify it.

                • rooster7777 on 31/10/2023 - 07:38
                  +2

                  @JohnHowardsEyebrows: Your logic is convincing….. ie that there is no logic to be found from you.

              • Tommome on 31/10/2023 - 07:12

                @Vater Woods: You are trippin. Propaganda on both sides galore. You just picked a side. However who started this conflict. And it’s not just 60 years ago my math isn’t great but it’s more than like few thousand years. And what kind of people raise young toddlers and tell them it’s good to kill. It’s not only hamas it’s most of Arab states. Pray for the innocent children 🙏 regardless where they are born.

                • rooster7777 on 31/10/2023 - 07:15
                  +3

                  @Tommome: Another of the head nodding chanters… god gave us this land 10K years ago, so it's ours?
                  Most people can see the madness and chaos of such a proposition…… but the "chosen" are blind to it.
                  Pray for innocent children…. but not so much for those that are refugees in their own country?

                  • Tommome on 31/10/2023 - 07:24
                    +2

                    @rooster7777: It is terrible what is happening. Fux ! Regardless of I believe in and I’m not a fan of western way of living, those patrons would not use women and children for cover who does that !!!

                    • rooster7777 on 31/10/2023 - 07:36
                      +1

                      @Tommome: What happened to your "10K years ago god gave us this land" justification? Did you decide that was irrational…. ?

                      • Tommome on 31/10/2023 - 07:57

                        @rooster7777: Israelies wanted to exist. What war did they start or suffered in most in hmmm and apart from wanting to make money. I need to do more research. Your comment justifies beheading children is ok.

                        • rooster7777 on 31/10/2023 - 08:15
                          +6

                          @Tommome: Your words "I need to do more research" make sense. The rest does not.
                          Can I suggest in particular, that you make yourself aware of:
                          -the balfour declaration, and the politics behind it
                          -the number of jews in palestine before say….1940, and the number at say…1948
                          -the terrorist activity by jews in palestine under the british mandate
                          -the amount of financial and military support by the US to israel since 1945, both in absolute numbers and a per capita basis
                          - the amount of welfare support by the US to its own citizens, vs to israel, on a per capita basis
                          - the number and subject of UN resolutions blocked by the US
                          - the attack on the USS liberty by israel
                          - to round it off, perhaps the history of Menachem Begin, the jewish leader of the terrorist organisation irgun, the bombing of the king david hotel by
                          that terrorist group, and how such a man came to be elected as the prime minister of israel.

                • Vater Woods on 31/10/2023 - 11:01

                  @Tommome: I said this before, both side are doing the same kind extreme education. And I do not like the religious believes and teachings of both side.

              • StranJer on 31/10/2023 - 09:11

                @Vater Woods: Both sides terrorized the British. The Jews fought with the British so that they would be given the right to their own country. If you read a little history, if anyone is interested. But let's say that was a long time ago.

                But in our time, the "Palestinians" were given everything to make their land free. Israel left Gaza a long time ago. Did this change anything? Israel gives them water and electricity, jobs and medicine, and money, so what? This only increases the number of rockets falling on Israel and weapons being fired at Jewish children. Starting with Rabin, they were slowly given everything they needed, but they never received the peace they were promised in return.

                Golda Meir said it right: "Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."

                The one who seeks the truth, let him find it.

              • DogGunn on 31/10/2023 - 09:13

                @Vater Woods:

                I am also seeing fake news of 40 babies decapitated, women raped(turned out to be Israel soldiers did it), children burnt(turned out to be AI generated), Hospital bombed(Israel provided both cropped video and edited voice recordings).

                Why? Is it because the average life expectancy of people in Gaza is less than 18?

                Are you honestly that gullible? Because it very much seems to be the case that you are.

                • Vater Woods on 31/10/2023 - 11:02
                  -2

                  @DogGunn: Which part i said was fake?

                  • DogGunn on 31/10/2023 - 14:34

                    @Vater Woods: Literally what I quoted.

                    It turns out you're willing to believe anything that suits your views. Kinda sad really.

                    • Vater Woods on 31/10/2023 - 15:26
                      +1

                      @DogGunn: So you didn't know Whitehouse have retracted Biden's statement about beheading of 40 babies? And didn't know i24news publicly apologized for their fake news?

                      • DogGunn on 31/10/2023 - 15:39
                        -1

                        @Vater Woods: Incredibly poor reporting by you on what happened.

                        Imagine you trying to make a point that 40 babies weren't beheaded but instead killed. Bizarre.

              • Wolfenstein98k on 31/10/2023 - 09:22
                +3

                @Vater Woods: Dude you can't do holocaust denial as it's happening.

                Almost none of your claims about what was done to Israeli citizens on 7 October are true.

                It's weird that you claim to have seen "photos of hundreds of dead Palestinians" but then immediately claim that any dead Jews are AI generated.

                Low-quality hasbara, friend.

              • bargaino on 31/10/2023 - 10:42
                +2

                @Vater Woods:

                Maybe you should watch some actual history

                You claimed the "average life expectancy of people in Gaza is less than 18" when it is actually 74.
                How bad can wilful ignorance get?
                18 is the median age, which is the result of an incredibly high birth rate. Gaza has ten times as many births as deaths (until they started the latest war).

                How can you expect anyone to take you seriously after such a massive and obvious falsehood?

                • Vater Woods on 31/10/2023 - 11:08
                  -1

                  @bargaino: Same question and reply was done before.

                  When nearly half of the population's age being less than 14, how long does other half have to live to bring the average life expectancy to 74 provided by you?

                  • bargaino on 31/10/2023 - 11:13

                    @Vater Woods: Average age is very different to life expectancy. You are asking the wrong question. Ask why the average age is so low, and the answer is in the high birth rate.

                    Sorry, but it really bothers me when people like yourself mean well, but bring such glaring disinformation and poor judgement to the debate.
                    many of your facts are correct. Yes, Zionists were terrorists too 80 years ago.

                    But what are the real questions that should be asked now? Are you looking for moral high ground to justify more bloodshed, or looking for a solution?

          • tightm8 on 31/10/2023 - 08:54
            +3

            @Vater Woods: I implore people to research Lord Moyne and Folk Bernadotte.

            The State of Israel was founded by maniacs who believe they are the chosen people and NOBODY, yes even Christians, are at their level. After all, they believe all non-jews will be serving them in their afterlife.

            • Vater Woods on 31/10/2023 - 11:05
              +1

              @tightm8: Thank you, I was reserving the assassination of Lord Moyne for some extremist supporter, but it turns out people of OZbargain are more intelligent and civil than I thought.

      • SolidlyIrresponsible on 31/10/2023 - 01:18
        +15

        the average life expectancy of people in Gaza is less than 18

        Incorrect.

        • Vater Woods on 31/10/2023 - 01:21
          +7

          Average life expectancy of Gazan being 18 was from UN.

          With over 3000 childrens died in last three week, I don't need to be good at math to know its now less than 18.

          • SolidlyIrresponsible on 31/10/2023 - 01:24
            +21

            @Vater Woods: UN data for "State of Palestine": https://population.un.org/wpp/Graphs/DemographicProfiles/Lin…

            Under "Life expectancy" does not support your claims.

            • Vater Woods on 31/10/2023 - 01:41
              +2

              @SolidlyIrresponsible: Thank you for correcting, but I said people of Gaza, not entire Palestine, I don't know the figures because I haven't looked into it.

              From what I read, around half if 2.3 million population in Gaza aged less than 14. The other half would have to be averaging 135 years to bring the figure up to 76 average

              • SolidlyIrresponsible on 31/10/2023 - 02:11
                +20

                @Vater Woods: Taking life expectancy (your first claim) with population age cohorts (your second claim) and then mixing them to make some weird point is just trying to lie with statistics.

                No, Gaza's life expectancy isn't under 18.

              • bargaino on 31/10/2023 - 10:48
                +1

                @Vater Woods:

                From what I read, around half if 2.3 million population in Gaza aged less than 14. The other half would have to be averaging 135 years to bring the figure up to 76

                Oh dear. I guess maths is not your strong point. Or politics.
                If you honestly believed life expectancy was 18, when it is really 74, does that not make you question your own judgement? Maybe you are not very smart, and just believe anything that fits your prejudice, no matter how objectively ludicrous? "That is just so far from reality, what else might I have got completely wrong?"

          • Webbo on 31/10/2023 - 02:02
            +12

            @Vater Woods: Suppose with so many of them becoming suicide bombers that would effect the figures, am I right?

            • Vater Woods on 31/10/2023 - 02:03
              +2

              @Webbo: You mean:
              UN data shows Israel bombed and killed 150 thousands Gazan since 2008, 33 thousands of those children.

              This is figure from 2008 but before 7th October.

              • Webbo on 31/10/2023 - 02:25
                +3

                @Vater Woods: Yep, I know jihadists use children too. It's a tragedy.

              • iperezgenius on 31/10/2023 - 03:02
                +11

                @Vater Woods: 150 thousand. Please share your bogus source.

                • bargaino on 31/10/2023 - 11:17
                  +1

                  @iperezgenius: Vater shows that he just grabs the worst number he can find, without effort to understand the context. e.g. claiming life expectancy is 18 (truth is ~74), so take it with a pillar of salt.

          • iperezgenius on 31/10/2023 - 03:00
            +9

            @Vater Woods: the UN is corrupt.

            In 2022 there were 15 resolutions against Israel and a TOTAL of 13 against the rest of the WORLD combined. That mean countries like Iran who are massacring their people daily got none. China got none. Do you honestly think that The rest of the world is perfect. That no other country has issues the UN should be bringing a resolution. The silence is so obvious that nothing that comes from. Not statistics, not opinions, nothing can have any value.

            https://unwatch.org/2022-2023-unga-resolutions-on-israel-vs-…

            Please just be honest. Hold your hand up, wear a tshirt and say "I am an anti-semite". Enough of this hiding behind the UN and palestine. Just be honest

            • incipient on 31/10/2023 - 03:26
              +9

              @iperezgenius: I preface this with I'm probably more pro-Israel if you had to draw a line in the sand.

              However, being against Israel using overwhelming force, or about them being a more recent state (in a ~1000 year window) doesn't make you anti-Semite, differentiating the country and politics from the religion.

            • rooster7777 on 31/10/2023 - 07:27
              +3

              @iperezgenius: So if one finds many of the actions of israel to be appalling, one must be "an anti-semite?"
              Are all those in the world that thought the actions of appartheid south african countries "anti white man?" Were all those people racist?
              Are those who found the actions of many of the leaders of WW2 germany appalling "anti white man" or "anti germanic?"

              Many people realise that one of the reasons the UN is seen as "corrupt" is because the US and a handful of other countries automatically vote against any UN resolution against israel…. regardless of the content. Your attempt to whitewash israel because they have so many humanitarian based resolutions against them is bizarre. If an action is morally and factually justified, do you stop doing it because someone blocks it, or do you keep trying?

              Instead of writing…. "Hold your hand up, wear a tshirt and say "I am an anti-semite". Enough of this hiding behind the UN and palestine. Just be honest" why don't you wear a shirt to say "I love israel and it's policies to the end of the world, regardless of how horrible they are".

        • Shakow on 31/10/2023 - 07:39
          +1

          Happens when you join a Terrorist group

        • subwoofer on 31/10/2023 - 14:03
          +1

          More than 55% of Gazan population are under the age of 18, this means when hamas won the so called election with 44% vote, 55% were not even born.

          • [Deactivated] on 31/10/2023 - 17:18
            +1

            @subwoofer:

            More than 55% of Gazan population are under the age of 18, this means when hamas won the so called election with 44% vote, 55% were not even born.

            You're 100% correct, HAMAS is essentially an unelected dictatorship and is getting Palestinians killed. HAMAS' goal is to completely eradicate Israel, which leaves no room for compromise. When HAMAS are removed then, and only then, will peace be possible.

            • CowFrogHorse on 10/11/2023 - 07:41

              @[Deactivated]: No HAMAS goal is too stay in power. Thats the goal of all political parties. THe rest is details they dont care.

              • [Deactivated] on 10/11/2023 - 08:05

                @CowFrogHorse: I disagree. While I do believe they care about staying in power, I think they hate Israel more. They'd be more likely to stay in power if they moderated and didn't attack Israel, but they don't want to be moderate.

                • CowFrogHorse on 10/11/2023 - 09:09

                  @[Deactivated]: Hamas have existed and had some power for about 40 years. The leaders live well far better than any other prospects that they could have tried, so for themselves persinally they are a success. They tried their luck wit hthe current stragtegy and its worked for 40 years. Sure one day they will end, but they tried their luck and got 40 years out of it. For the leaders themselves they are happy with their run.

                  The problem is you dont understand what success means, you dont empathize and understand the motivation like in many human endeavours is selfish. The leaders are mostly concerned a bout number one and the situation iin gaza shows this. THe leaders of Gaza tell everyone to fight, but they are the first to hide, again showing thaT they are hypocrites and only care about themselves and the rest is bullshit.

                  We see the same in Russia, Putin hides behind the big Kremlin wall and his other fortresses, Hitler did the same. All talk but they personally arent actually willing to fight and die in the condtions they demand others to follow. WHY because Putin and Hitler only care about themselves, they lived in luxury far beyond their means, sure Hitler lost because he was evil and stupid but he had a good run.

                  • [Deactivated] on 10/11/2023 - 09:35

                    @CowFrogHorse: Your first paragraph is factual.

                    Your second paragraph is opinion and I disagree with it. I believe that success to HAMAS is the eradication of Israel. There will be some materialist opportunists amongst the ranks but they will be a tiny minority.

                    Your third paragraph is objectively false. Hitler, for example, fought in WW1, and in WW2 had rather gamble with his own life (and then took it) in pursuit of his ideology than pursue peace earlier when he probably could've kept most of Europe and lived out his life in luxury. Hitler was an ideological megalomaniac, not an opportunistic materialist.

                    • CowFrogHorse on 10/11/2023 - 09:53

                      @[Deactivated]: tisk: Your second paragraph is opinion and I disagree with it. I believe that success to HAMAS is the eradication of Israel.

                      cow: Some ? Are you sure of the world some ?

                      tisk: There will be some materialist opportunists amongst the ranks but they will be a tiny minority.

                      cow: lets keep this simple.

                      Yasser Arafat was a billionaire, and his wife was well known for buying all sorts of fancy fashion Paris while he fought for his people in Israel.

                      Bin Laden hid like a coward in a large house, sure it was crap, but it was far better than those living an dying in the rocks of Afghanistan.

                      What more examples ?

                      ~

                      tisk: Hitler, for example, fought in WW1,

                      cow: Hitler in WW1 was not a leader he was a n ordinary person, he really didnt have a choice. In WW2 he had a choice and he hid like a coward behind a legion as personal body guard.

                      tisk: WW2 had rather gamble with his own life (and then took it) in pu

                      cow: he had no choice, the Russians were hours from finding him and guess what they werent going to let him off.

                      You are completely ignoring the time when Hitler had a choice and power he hid like a two face hypocrtical coward, asking others to die for him while he hid in luxury and safety.

                      ~

                      tisk: Hitler was an ideological megalomaniac, not an opportunistic materialist.

                      cow: Yet again you are brainwashed into believing the hype and words and forgetting the selfish angle of the man.

                      In both cases above i have showed the man when it really counts and when he has a choice does the OPPOSITE of the bullshit he speaks. Hitler and Putin demand people fight and die for him, and they themselves hide like cowards in safety thats the point. Putin makes a lot of stupid displays of his manliness, but today he is not in the front line, he is hiding thousands of kms away.

                      • [Deactivated] on 10/11/2023 - 11:03

                        @CowFrogHorse:

                        Yasser Arafat was a billionaire, and his wife was well known for buying all sorts of fancy fashion Paris while he fought for his people in Israel. Bin Laden hid like a coward in a large house, sure it was crap, but it was far better than those living an dying in the rocks of Afghanistan.

                        Great. What's your point? You named two people, neither of which are from HAMAS. HAMAS' goals are explicitly to wipe out Israel. Many, many people have died fighting for that, including some on the October 7th attack. It's irrelevant that, yes, just some of its members prioritise themselves over the goals of the organisational whole.

                        Hitler in WW1 was not a leader he was a n ordinary person, he really didnt have a choice.

                        Yes, he did. He volunteered enthusiatically. He then sought to bring about WW2 when he was unhappy with the Treay of Verssailles.

                        In WW2 he had a choice and he hid like a coward behind a legion as personal body guard.

                        So you expect a leader to be on the front lines? It's not cowardice to have bodyguards when you're the most hated person on the planet, its commonsense.

                        He had no choice, the Russians were hours from finding him and guess what they werent going to let him off. You are completely ignoring the time when Hitler had a choice and power he hid like a two face hypocrtical coward, asking others to die for him while he hid in luxury and safety.

                        Hitler had the choice to flee from the Russians, but chose not abandon Berlin. Before that, he had many, many opportunities to live a life of luxury, but he repeatedly chose to pursue his ideological goals instead. I mean, Hitler came to power in 1933, the Eagle's Nest was complete in 1938, but WW2 didn't begin until 1939. Hitler had achieved luxury long before he pushed on ideological goals.

                        Yet again you are brainwashed into believing the hype and words and forgetting the selfish angle of the man.

                        I have no doubt Hitler was selfish, but he was a megalomaniac driven by ideology. He died in pursuit of an ideological goal, not in pursuit of luxury, which he had already achieved years earlier. He wrote a whole book on his ideological goals long before having any luxury. Have you ever heard of Mein Kampf?

                        In both cases above i have showed the man when it really counts and when he has a choice does the OPPOSITE of the bullshit he speaks. Hitler and Putin demand people fight and die for him, and they themselves hide like cowards in safety thats the point

                        No, you have not. Hitler chose to fight in WW1. He chose to take a risk at the Beer Hall Putsch. He then chose to start WW2. Hitler was an ideoloically-driven ultra-nationalist who died for that cause, not for the luxury he had already achieved.

      • bestroadtech on 31/10/2023 - 07:27
        +19

        STOP LYING:

        "Life expectancy at birth
        total population: 75.66 years
        male: 73.92 years
        female: 77.5 years (2023 est.)"

        Source: https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/gaza-strip/

        You also claimed that 150,000 Gazans have been killed in bombing since 2008 when that many Palestinians haven't been killed from all causes since the conflict began in 1948!

        Anyone upvoting @Vater Woods shouldn't believe whatever they read on the internet.

        @cmyk @waffleconsumer @pizzaguy @bigsaver93 @DoctorCalculon

        Edit: ohhh, I see how you've gotten confused. Palestine's median age is 18. That just means they've got a high birth rate, hence their population has more than doubled in the last 3 decades. Australia has a median age of about 38. That's got little to do with our life expectancy of about 82.

        Both Palestine's life expectancy and population are increasing. So much for "genocide".

        No idea how you've gotten confused about the rate of bombing deaths though…

        • Vater Woods on 31/10/2023 - 10:54

          I read your CIA report before you posted here, maybe you shouldn't believe everything CIA have to offer.

          The figures are from UN, and its said out loud un UN meetings multiple times.

          I also saw the median age being 18, but when nearly half of the population being at the age of less than 14, I guess it upto the individuals critically thinking capability.

          • bargaino on 31/10/2023 - 11:18
            +2

            @Vater Woods:

            I guess it upto the individuals critically thinking capability.

            Oh the irony!

            • Vater Woods on 31/10/2023 - 11:44
              +1

              @bargaino: Oh the irony.

              Over 1200 tonnes of bombs dropped on one of the most densely populated area. Over 7000 innocent lifes lost, including over 3000 childrens. Yet, some still questions these life as numbers, to be correct or not.

              • bargaino on 31/10/2023 - 11:47

                @Vater Woods: So what is your point? Where is the critical thinking? What is your way forward?
                Put yourself in their shoes, and tell me your response.

              • [Deactivated] on 31/10/2023 - 11:51
                +2

                @Vater Woods: Don't move the goalpost, nobody questioned you on how many people have died in the most recent conflict, though they have questioned you on believing that every Israeli civilian death is A.I…

                Everyone's pointing out that you're factually incorrect about 150,000 being killed in bombings since 2008, or about the life expectancy in Gaza to be 18 years old.

                • CowFrogHorse on 09/11/2023 - 17:42

                  @[Deactivated]: Life expency is not the same as Median age.

                  Does anyone goto school these days and not understand the difference ?

                  • [Deactivated] on 10/11/2023 - 06:31
                    +1

                    @CowFrogHorse: You must've tagged the wrong person as I agree with you. I think you meant to tag @Vater Woods - they're the one that thinks median age = life expectancy.

          • [Deactivated] on 31/10/2023 - 11:35
            +3

            @Vater Woods:

            The figures are from UN, and its said out loud un UN meetings multiple times.

            Multiple people have asked you to provide references but you still have not. Please reference where the U.N. said this, because others have referenced where the U.N. have said the opposite.

            In this United Nations report, the U.N. states that the life expectancy for "the Gaza Strip, 73.4 years". That's from 2010. The C.I.A. link was more recent, which shows that the life expectancy in Gaza has increase by more than 4 years over the last decade!

            I also saw the median age being 18, but when nearly half of the population being at the age of less than 14

            Yes, half the population is below 18, half the population is above 18 - that's what median means:

            me·di·an
            /ˈmēdēən/
            adjective
            1.
            denoting or relating to a value or quantity lying at the midpoint of a frequency distribution of observed values or quantities, such that there is an equal probability of falling above or below it.

            I guess it upto the individuals critically thinking capability.

            LOL. You're either being intentionally dishonest/trolling or you just don't understand what you're saying.

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