MSI Modern 14 i5-1335U, 16GB DDR4, 1TB SSD, 14" FHD IPS Laptop $829 Delivered @ shallothead eBay

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  amosmilburn on 12/11/2023 - 14:04

  -3

  Soldered RAM is a no go, especially at that money

  Sure it might be all most people would ever need but i dont get how theyre even allowed to still do this, because basically it becomes landfill if a RAM chip goes bad.

  Maybe soldered RAM will be the next thing the EU/Right To Repair takes on, since its now forced crApple to sanity with USB-C

  I'd save and spend $200 more to get a laptop without that hamstrung nonsense

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    dosada on 12/11/2023 - 14:09

    +2

    It's not that simple. That you can't replace the rma doesn't mean that the manufacturer can't.

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      bugsucher on 12/11/2023 - 14:21

      +1

      … at a much higher cost which makes it economically infeasible?

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      amosmilburn on 12/11/2023 - 15:48

      so youve got the inconvenience of not having the laptop (so its costing you time as well as money), the transport costs to ship it back to them, the pollution from the transport (to and from the manufacturer), the pollution to desolder/resolder, the pollution of the RAM going into the bin and landfill….

      wasteful nonsense

      just put in slots…for the love of god

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        dosada on 12/11/2023 - 16:02

        +1

        I am 100% with you here, I think soldering parts is the dumbest thing ever. Just wanted to say that they are repairable, not that it's a smart move.

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          amosmilburn on 12/11/2023 - 16:03

          @dosada: Gotcha :)

          I love how you can get negged here for a logical argument, ahh OzBargain….

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            BatmanAU on 12/11/2023 - 16:24

            +2

            @amosmilburn: I think people just neg because they are sick of people complaining about soldered ram, who cares. You posting about soldered ram is not going to suddenly have companies stop doing it.

            Then again, not sure what’s worse, people complaining, or me reading these complaints

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              amosmilburn on 12/11/2023 - 16:28

              +1

              @BatmanAU: If people stop buying them they will, again, logic

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                BatmanAU on 12/11/2023 - 17:43

                +3

                @amosmilburn: Most people buy what they can afford, soldered or not

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                  amosmilburn on 12/11/2023 - 17:51

                  @BatmanAU: Fair point.

                  Me id buy older but easier to self repair if it were me.

                  Plenty of perfectly good gear about. I still run 8th Gen, on my desktop and my laptop…i only retired my i7-4790 system because getting a replacement Mobo was getting harder and more $ aka not cost effective.

                  You dont need the latest shiny (unless youre gaming, (and gaming laptops are a bit of a faff unless you like buying expensive hamstrung systems that are leaving performance on the table from the moment you unpack them because theyre going to thermal throttle), youre not going to benefit from more cores faster CPU, opening tabs in a browser where most spend their day is a waste of time buying the latest CPU, youre better off buying more RMA which is cheap as chips)…as always i blame crApple for conditioning people to wanting something new every 6 months. People of my vintage used stuff till it died, and created less landfill. Kids now expect something new every 6 months and the last device/fad goes into the ground…all while they ironically march and chain themselves to things and bang on about the environment like Greta Thumbdrive…..thats always amusing to me….

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                    BatmanAU on 12/11/2023 - 17:56

                    @amosmilburn: I’m still running a 2015 MacBook Pro, with soldered 16gb ram lol

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                      amosmilburn on 12/11/2023 - 18:00

                      +1

                      @BatmanAU: No ones perfect :)

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    reactor-au on 12/11/2023 - 14:53

    Soldered RAM is becoming increasingly more standard, sadly.

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      garage sale on 12/11/2023 - 23:00

      soldering is more reliable than sockets, also,uses less space so they can make a smaller laptop. enterprise grade laptops are designed for easy ram and drive replacement by IT staff, entry level consumer laptops snap together and aren’t designed for easy user replacement or have sticker over a screw and removal voids warranty, 95% of consumers don’t DIY laptops.

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        reactor-au on 13/11/2023 - 04:11

        Microsoft and Sony also solder in RAM and flash storage in their consoles.
        It's not as much about upgradability as it is repairability, flash storage has limited write cycles so why solder it.
        I've had RAM modules fail quite a number of times in my life, I'd prefer they were easily replaced.

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    [Deactivated] on 12/11/2023 - 15:04

    Making batteries replaceable is one thing, given that they're guaranteed to greatly degrade relatively quickly.

    That doesn't apply to RAM.

    Sure, we shouldn't be prevented from repairing devices (like Apple currently does) by making parts impossible to acquire economically, or by design to intentionally hinder repairability…

    But that doesn't mean that manufacturers should be forced to make every component easily replaceable by anyone with a screwdriver, as will be the case with smartphone batteries, as that's going a bit far in the opposite direction.

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    Homr on 12/11/2023 - 17:09

    16gb ram is good enough for 2-3 years though

    I just don't like the U series though, I prefer P series as a minimum.

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    leetec on 12/11/2023 - 17:16

    I thought you mean upgrading, but for replacing ram? No, since when a good brand ram need to be worry their lifetime? Never.

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      amosmilburn on 12/11/2023 - 17:42

      -1

      Been doing this several decades now

      I buy mostly Crucial RAM when building/doing upgrades, because (limited) lifetime warranty of 10 years

      In the last year alone, ive had to take them up on that twice, for NEW kits that suddenly died

      And theyre arguably the best in the game….

      So RAM does die….

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        amosmilburn on 12/11/2023 - 18:52

        Okay, what sort of person gives a neg for mentioning an experience with RAM dying, there really are some sad people on here…sheesh

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  BatmanAU on 12/11/2023 - 14:12

  +1

  I don’t see a problem with it, same as if the motherboard goes and it’s not under warranty, landfill, as I wouldn’t be just replacing the mobo at this price.

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  Makaroni on 12/11/2023 - 14:18

  +1

  Better deal here.

  https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/809141

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    BatmanAU on 12/11/2023 - 14:40

    Not if your looking for a 14” ;)

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    garage sale on 12/11/2023 - 23:02

    depends if you want intel or AMD.

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  Spoodster on 13/11/2023 - 12:31

  Can anyone confirm whether this model has Thunderbolt?
  It seems that some vendors such as Kogan list it as a feature but others don't.