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Have been waiting for a deal on this NAS for a few months.
Ordered mine today and arriving on Thursday.
[eBay Plus] Synology DS923+ NAS $755.82 Delivered @ Computer Alliance eBay
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These are the ones with the Ryzen APU now?
They actually look pretty decent, compared to the piss-weak celerons (sure, adequate if all you are doing is serving files and not running anything like docker etc).Yes they are using AMD Ryzen R1600.
I prefer cpus with igpu, comes handy for Plex and Frigate etc…
got a recommendation?
Just build your own with unraid, that's what I ended up doing after having purchased a DS923+ and outgrowing the capacity within the year.
@Ifndefx: Have to agree with you. Hard to see the value in these when you can slap together a headless ryzen unraid server for the same money or slightly more. Especially with the upgrade potential. Chuck in a P2000 or equivalent for transcoding down the track and you have a pretty capable server.
I built one one the AM4 socket was brand new and it's still going strong 7 years later.
the older DS920+ isn't a bad option.
Indeed, especially with OpenVINO now able to run frigate and stable diffusion
The OpenVINO model that ships with frigate (ssdlite_mobilenet_v2) is hilarious though. Keeps detecting birds and a hanging plant as a person.
I may have to switch the model to YOLO.
@Namidairo: YOLO works well, at least when I tried it on my RTX 3060 before I actually managed to snag a coral.
On the whole, the power consumption of CORAL is crazy low if you can get one.
Doesn’t the AMD video core in these have support for openCL and acceleration of video?
I’m actually really keen to see when intel starts putting embedded ARC GPU into their CPU, I thought 14th gen might get it but nope
The R1600 has no iGPU nor any video decode/encode hardware. See https://www.amd.com/en/products/specifications/embedded/2126…
@Commodore64: It's a headless server, so once it boots, it serves a web UI on port 80 or 443 which you can connect to through your browser on another device.
In general, a computer only needs a GPU if you want to get video output directly from it.
@SkyArrow: Wow ok. Thanks for the info.
Guess it’s got something like ILO on my old HP micro server.
I’ve tried booting without a GPU on most consumer boards but they complainIn general, a computer only needs a GPU if you want to get video output directly from it.
That's not quite true, a gazillion Motherboards won't POST without some sort of GPU.
Except those "piss-weak celerons" have hardware video encoding, which absolutely flies.
You’ve got a good point, that bit is a bonus particularly given the low TDP.
However the 2 or even 4 core celerons will struggle to run frigate with more than 2 or 3 cameras even with a coral and vaapi acceleration.
They’re also going to get loaded down running ZFS too.
Although if you’re running Plex, it would be better to ensure your media is in h264/h265 and not require on the fly conversion unless you’re streaming over low bandwidth.
1) Jellyfin > Plex
2) AV1 > everything else (and direct plays in your browser) - but when you have over 700 tv shows going back decades like me, the idea of manually transcoding everything and further degrading quality is simply insane.
@PeppaPigDidNthngWrng: Good points, jelly fin will at least allow you to login if Plex has network issues.
With regards to transcoding Tdarr may be of interest to you. I’ve found it useful and easy
as always have a backup strategy that doesnt involve sticking disks full of your treasured data in a NAS and trusting software RAID
Software raid is certainly better than hardware raid, though 3-2-1 backup should always be adhered to since raid isn't a backup by itself.
software RAID is cheap, which is why the masses have largely adopted it and bought into the home NAS stuff….and they like it, until it all goes tits up
Except even the server side has mostly dropped hardware raid.
Sorry wrong there hardware raid is dead n has been for a long time, the amount of raid cpu power needed to keep up with redundancy ie parity is ludicrously high n very unreliable these days especially raid 5 n higher, where as zfs is free and 10x more reliable.. I have many lsi raid cards here, I've flashed them all to hba n use zfs
Curious, is this a good price ($313) for the DS223? Looking for a simple NAS set up for a private cloud at home.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/175686242337?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mk…
most places sell it for $318-25, its not that good a price.
Thanks garetz! And to confirm, you didn’t mean DS223j but DS223? Most places I can find (other than mwave at $329) is >$350…
You are right, https://www.staticice.com.au/ included the j model in the search.
So its more like $329 is the cheapest.
Waiting for DS423+ to go on sale again for a new Plex server.
Why the DS423+ for Plex as opposed to this one?
This one uses AMD APU so Plex hardware transcoding is not supported.
DS423+ use Intel Celeron J4125 so Plex support hardware transcoding via iGPU.
Ah nice, makes sense, thanks
What @sanglt said, DS423+ has a GPU to enable transcoding.
Still rocking a decade old 412+… Can't justify the upgrade yet
Mine is 1511+… A year before yours
My current plex server is the 220+ but I really need more bays to enable RAID.
I just upgrade from the 412+ which hasn't let me down all those years, did upgrade the ram at some stage
Me too! A 412+ main and a 411j for backups
412 is still a cracker
I'm on DS414 - I'm very impressed by the number of years of support (but I think x14 series will drop support soon)
Don’t want 4 bays, just need 2 bays. Seems ds224+ price is still high after 22% off.
Is ~650 for ds723+ a good choice?ok, finally got one ds723+ for 646.62, and 2x4TB Seagate Ironwolf for 288.60, good to start :)
Just got myself a used DS920+ with 3x 2TB SSD and 2x 2TB NvME SSD for read/write cache for $730… I think i t is the last one with Intel Quicksync support? Maybe I'm wrong
DS423+ current model, Celeron J4125 same as the 920+ but less RAM stock. Can upgrade it to 18GB tho. And regular volumes on the internal m.2 slots which is one thing the 920+ can't do.
And regular volumes on the internal m.2 slots which is one thing the 920+ can't do.
Dang, that's actually huge. I'd love to keep all my music for Plexamp on m.2 drives.
It's not huge, it's a lie. You CAN keep all your music for Plexamp on m.2 drives on the DS920+.
Ahhh I do remember reading about this when I first set my server up. It is tempting but I'm always skeptical, thinking there must be a reason it isn't available out of the box.
And regular volumes on the internal m.2 slots which is one thing the 920+ can't do.
Huh? What nonsense are you talking about? You can use the internal SSD slots as regular volumes in the 920+. Not only can you do it, I can do it too. In fact, I've done it. In fact, just for shits and giggles, I'm using one slot for cache and one as a regular volume, which is running my docker stuff (like Jellyfin).
https://kb.synology.com/en-nz/DSM/tutorial/Which_models_supp…
If you want to hack your device and use unsupported methods, go ahead. However, the attitude isn’t required.
@sponson: No "hacking" involved.
Here's one step by step tutorial: https://academy.pointtosource.com/synology/synology-ds920-nv…
Remember, they're just Debian Linux boxes with a fancy sticker on the outside.
If you think using a command line is hacking, you've been watching too many bad Hollywood movies.
Wait until you learn that there's an entire scripting section in the GUI.
On that topic, enjoy:
- https://github.com/007revad/Synology_enable_M2_volume
or - https://github.com/007revad/Synology_M2_volume
But seriously - "no official"? "hacking"? Next you'll say that you shouldn't use the package sources section to add non-Synology repositories, since they're not officially from Synology.
To be very, very clear: using an NVME drive as a storage pool IS something that the DS920+ can do. That's it. End of story. If you want to complain that there are extra steps involved, that's something else (and petty), but don't make up stories about "hacking".
CD /
DIROMG I HACKED THE MAINFRAME.
@PeppaPigDidNthngWrng: Not official. Not supported. Can be rendered useless at any point if Synology decides to change that part of DSM. End of story.
Wait until you learn most people want a box that powers on and works from the get go without messing about.
You can tow a boat with a Daewoo Matiz. Doesn't mean it's a good idea.
@sponson: "Not official" - doesn't mean anything, not relevant.
"Not supported" - wait until you see the list of hard drives you're not allowed to use. Fortunately, also not relevant, since it doesn't need support.
"Can be rendered useless at any point" - nope.
"You can tow a boat with a Daewoo Matiz." - so you agree with me - it CAN do it.
- https://github.com/007revad/Synology_enable_M2_volume
What nonsense are YOU talking about?
There is no official way to use the m2 as storage on the 920+
It's not a supported model. If you have somehow you aren't doing it officially and without hacking your unit.
That's good to know you can work around it - my issue and problem still stands regardless of it. The issue is given that Synology has a clear stance that they don't want people using them as storage devices on all models (historically, from what I'm seeing this has been a game of cat and mouse - someone figures out how to get m2 drives recognized as volumes, then Synology blocks certain m2 drives if they're not x brand)
Given Synology don't want us to be using these as storage pools, and therefore by definition it being technically unofficial - my issue with that is at any moment they are going to introduce something new to block this off and then your drives are redundant until a fix is developed and then implemented and all my data on that is unusable for that duration.
Im still going to try this out on a seperat NAS but I wouldn't deploy something that has a small but fair chance of borking everything on update on any NAS holding anything important.
Synology have been constantly screwing people over by not implementing things officially, someone also mentioned the issue of blocked drives, that's also been a game of cat and mouse, certain modifications with nics, external nic/ external usb support, many software sided limitations, etc etc
Im not sure what your problem is or what's with your attitude but people's concerns about it are still valid even if you don't have anything critical or if for whatever reason you're willing to go through any issues.
Man i miss the hp microserver deals.. still using my gen 8
this one?
https://www.shoppingexpress.com.au/hp_microserver_sale/nas-d…
It has 4 bays?
You can build a mid tower with 6 bays using Fractal Design Node 304.gone ? I cant click nor find any of them or is this a really old deal still on thier site as it says valid until 2016 :)
Finally… have been hanging out for a deal on this unit for ages. Now to figure out the best HDD option for noise levels and longevity…
After buying this earlier this year, I ended up outgrowing this within 6 months. This was the first time I had a nas, and after moving my photos and other content I ran out of HD bays and expansion drive etc… wasn't really appealing. I ended up rolling my own using Unraid + old computer (Fractal Design R4 case) - This setup obliterates the synology by a mile, and I've managed to consolidate some of my other systems running docker containers etc… into the unraid setup. So now, I have the synology just for the photos and documents which feels like it is an overkill, and everything else is now running on the unraid server, plus 2 proxmox nodes. I think if I had my time again, I would just go with custom unraid setup + 1 proxmox node. But since the other things are not broken I'm not moving them…yet.
General advise for anyone looking to buy this, just consider your usecase against the hardware specs that this provides, your total capacity of storage that you need and against HD size and bays (remember the parity drives) and your expansion options. If it feels excessive go the truenas/unraid route instead of the turnkey solutions.
p.s also Synology moments feels like it has been forgotten.
Some people here buy 2 bays, I don't see the point with 2 bays.
You can quickly out grow 4 bays, which is why I often recommend using an old PC that can take 6-8 bays.
The Fractal Node can take 6 bays, and some cases can support 8 bays. The benefit of this is that you can shut it down when are not using it, while the NAS is better to keep running 24x7. A 8 bay NAS is quite expensive.
The only benefit of a NAS is that it has a smaller form factor.Although I must agree to most of what you said. Why did you think that the NAS is better to keep running 24x7? It can be shutdown too when you are not using it. Off the shelf NAS has a smaller form factor.. true, And they are also power efficient. The Synology DSM is also easy to learn and deploy. But yes I agree 110% the off-the-shelf NAS is waayyy more expensive.
NAS and NAS drives are build/configured for 24/7 operation.
The often spin down can run the risk of damaging the disk or the NAS configuration on the main disk.From personal experience, I had a QNAP NAS regularly shutting down, it damaged something, one of the disk was showing up as error, I replaced that disk with a new disk and it still showed error.
I thought the one of the NAS SATA port had gone busted.But, I reinitialised all 4 disks and the error went away ("finger crossed").
Not to mention bugger all redundancy with 2 bays, may as well buy external hdd n nuc ..
2 bays you can do mirror, but you will lose half the capacity.
Redundancy inside the NAS is just a waste of drive space - there are hundreds of ways to loose data, and most of them will take the redundant copy too.
Make backups, keep them offline and offsite.
@Wayne7497: Incorrect.
And nobody in this thread is buying this NAS for an enterprise environment 🤷🏼♂️ The use of redundancy to eliminate downtime is totally irrelevant.
I repeat, redundancy inside the NAS is just a waste of drive space - there are hundreds of ways to loose data, and most of them will take the redundant copy too.
Make backups, keep them offline and offsite.
@Nom: And exactly WHY would you buy a nas for then anyway? Seriously you obviously have no idea on what n why a nas is used.. lol waste of hard drive space comment shows you are severely lacking in fundamental understanding of nas san devices, btw i have never lost a paity drive yet haven't heard of many that have
@Wayne7497: The use of redundancy in an array, is to prevent downtime when you get a drive failure. But you already know this.
It's not going to help you one bit when you delete a file, corrupt a file, get ransomware, get maliciously hacked, have a fire, a theft, a flood, a lightning strike, or any of the other gazillion ways you can lose data. These things are all replicated instantaneously across the array.
Put your extra drives into your BACKUPS. As a home user you don't need to guard against the downtime of drive failure. When a drive dies, just replace it and restore. Wasting a whole bay in a 2 or 4 bay NAS like the one in this deal for redundancy is pointless - you could have used that bay for capacity instead.
Thanks for the info. I’m on the same boat.
But even though some day soon which I setup my custom server (unraid/true nas), will need this as second backup of very important contents (documents, personal photos/clips, etc) to avoid disasters.
Given low power consumption, it’s a nice (second) backup system at home.Thanks OP, grabbed one; also cashback 4%.
The QNAP 4 bay was $240-$270 on sale a few months ago, Synology are more expensive.
Yeah tried both os before buying and was felling more comfortable with Synology. I guess QNAP is more energy efficient as well if I recall correctly.
Bought a DS920+ 2 years ago for $780 and love it for my Plex server, very much recommended. Apparently the DS923+ has an AMD CPU though so you can't hardware transcode. That kinda sucks.
Bought my Dell md3460 for $700 bux currently running 60 x 8tb sas drives in it.. running proxmox n jellyfin
Still got 4 synology nas here ds2411 ds2413s but sadly they cant compete with the above or my netapp ds4246 s
How did you score Dell md3460 for $700?
Second hand of eBay?
How much did you pay for netapp ds4246?Yup off ebay , just scored a ds4246 with 24 x 4tb drives plus 2 spare hdds cables n rails for $550 plus shipping message me if u want links..
running 60 x 8tb
Eh… What are you keeping in 60 drives
Chia
just picked up a seagate black armor 440 with 8tb of drives for free. no idea what to do with it now. any tips?
Sorry to highjack, this seems like a good deal OP
Flog it on ebay
That's the exact price i bought it for in may :). Good price