[Waitlist] $7000 Off 2024 Ford Mustang Mach-E (Basic Models), Starting from $72,990 + On Road Costs @ Ford Australia

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E5TOQUE on 07/12/2023 - 15:19 ford.com.au (8795 clicks)
Last edited 07/12/2023 - 20:46 by 2 other users

Ford Australia has dropped the price of the Mustang Mach-E by up to $7000

• 2024 Ford Mustang Mach-E Select: $72,990 (-$7000) (This is the pick of all the models in my opinion)
• 2024 Ford Mustang Mach-E Premium: $86,990 (-$4675)
• 2024 Ford Mustang Mach-E GT: $104,990 (-$2675)

State EV Rebates

• Queensland = $6000
• South Australia = $3000
• Western Australia = $3000
• Tasmania = $2000

Power/Torque

• Mustang Mach-E Select RWD: 198kW / 430Nm
• Mustang Mach-E Premium RWD: 216kW / 430Nm
• Mustang Mach-E GT AWD: 358kW / 860Nm

Battery Chemistry

• Mustang Mach-E Select: 71kWh LFP Battery (Can be charged to 100% repeatedly with little degradation occurring)
• Mustang Mach-E Premium: 91kWh NMC Battery (Likes to be charged to ~80 - 90% day to day, only charging 100% for long journeys)
• Mustang Mach-E GT NMC 91kWh Battery (Likes to be charged to ~80 - 90% day to day, only charging 100% for long journeys)

Know your battery packs! LFP vs NMC

I'd recommend educating yourself. Youtube is a good place to start.
This is another reason why I would choose the Mach-E Select grade over the others.

LFP has no cobalt or nickel. See how this stuff is mined and by who (its done by children in a lot of cases).
LFP can be charged to 100% over and over again with little degradation occurring.
LFP has heavily reduced thermal runaway issues

Range

• Mustang Mach-E Select: 470km
• Mustang Mach-E Premium: 600km (When you factor in that you need to limit day to day charging to 80% on the NMC battery fitted to this car, it's the same day to day range you would get in the cheaper Select model. You just have the option of longer range on the odd occasions you charge up to 100%)
• Mustang Mach-E GT: 490km

For people looking for an EV SUV that is similar in size/price/equipment to the Model Y, but don't want to buy a Tesla, this has now jumped to second place in my humble opinion.

Mustang Mach-E Select grade seem to be the one to go for as it comes just as fully equipped as the Model Y RWD, with a few extra things you can't get in the Tesla like:

• Blind Spot Monitoring
• Park Assist
• Rear Cross Traffic Alert
• Surround View Camera
• Apple CarPlay
• Android Auto
• FordPass connectivity included for free (Tesla ask you to sign up to the $9.99 a month subscription)

There are extended wait times across Ford's model range. Please contact your local Ford Dealer for updated information on current availability.

For more information on the price drop and all the equipment see the article here:

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/2024-ford-mustang-mach…

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  Maq on 08/12/2023 - 11:23

  +1

  Will this have the engine roar that makes Mustang special? Otherwise its just a regular e-car

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    pizzip on 08/12/2023 - 11:27

    +2

    Record your neighbour's '69 mustang and upload it as the engine sound.

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  trevor99 on 08/12/2023 - 12:37

  -2

  Why haven't the sea levels risen?

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    klaw81 on 08/12/2023 - 12:55

    +1

    They are rising. They've been rising consistently since official records began, and the rate of rise is steadily increasing.

    In 2022, global average sea level set a new record high of 101.2 mm (4 inches) above 1993 levels. Current projections suggest that sea levels will rise more in the next 30 years than they did over the past 100 years.

    Here's some local data as food for thought:
    https://www.science.org.au/learning/general-audience/science…

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      trevor99 on 08/12/2023 - 13:26

      -3

      Here we go.
      So much money, so much fakery. All paid off.
      Levels are rising only trivially since the mini ice age 500 years ago at the SAME RATE.
      They didn't have SUVs back then.

      Remember the claims of no sea ice by 2016? Several metres rise because Greenland is melting?
      All failed nonsense. It's a failed hypothesis. Money keeps the scam going.

      The concept of a trace gas (tiny amounts - a few parts per million) of O2 converted to CO2 creating a blanket around the earth is ridiculous to start with. Carbon has only a mass of 6 anyway, less than Nitrogen which makes up most of the atmosphere.

      Human nature. Unreal.

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        klaw81 on 08/12/2023 - 13:36

        +5

        The fact that you're trying to debunk the greenhouse effect, a principle that has been established scientific fact and well understood for over a century, is absolutely hilarious.

        The data on rising sea levels, record levels of sea ice reductions, icecaps shrinking are well documented and independently verified a thousand times over. The facts are indisputable.

        The very idea that the entire global scientific community could be paid off and keeping such a big secret for over five decades is laughable.

        Thanks for making it clear that your contributions on this topic can safely be ignored.

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          trevor99 on 08/12/2023 - 13:39

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          @klaw81: No. They claim it's a scientific fact to reinforce the scam. It is not.

          Just because herd mentality and groupthink is "established" amongst those who are benefitting does not make it true.

          It's a giant scam.

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          Aureus on 08/12/2023 - 14:03

          +1

          @klaw81: Don't waste your energy. Not sure how Ozbargain attracts so many of these people.

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            klaw81 on 08/12/2023 - 14:06

            +1

            @Aureus: It was good for a laugh.

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              trevor99 on 08/12/2023 - 14:17

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              @klaw81: Yes. They're laughing at you.

              They flew into the "COP" conference on private jets.
              DeCaprio loves his private Yacht (20 gallons to the mile) and his private Jet used to pick up pizzas.

              Obama, Pelosi and Gates have all recently purchased very expensive Beachfront properties.
              Sure, they really believe it.

              But most of all they love their "Agent Smiths", brainwashed minions happy to pop up, pushing their narrative, counting their grams of CO2 from their Corolla Hybrids, and living in wonder at the superb environmentally toxic and destructive Wind and Solar intermittent marvels.

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  fez on 08/12/2023 - 12:59

  Go Model Y! you can get 6K rebate in QLD (if you earn under 180K - so that probably rules out all the whirlpool forums ppl. ;P )

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    Hackney on 08/12/2023 - 13:43

    Y?

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  m0tyrider on 08/12/2023 - 13:31

  How fast can you 'fast charge' an EV?

  Couldn't imagine I am at a service station for more than 5-10 minutes and im good to go.

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    klaw81 on 08/12/2023 - 13:57

    +4

    The short answer is that you usually don't fast-charge an EV. Nearly all charging happens at home, and is done slowly. You only need fast-charging when travelling long distances.

    But since you asked, the actual answer is "it depends." The speed at which chargers can output energy is pretty variable, and also depends on your car's capability. Some older (or much cheaper) EVs can only charge at lower rates.

    Currently, most modern EVs can go from 10% to 80% in about 15-20 minutes, provided they're connected to a charger that's capable of 250kW+ output. If the charger can only charge at a slower rate, the time it takes will extend accordingly.

    This Mach E is actually a bit towards the slower end for a car with a large battery. It can connect to super-fast chargers, but has a maximum charge rate of about 125kW. This results in about 40 minutes for a 10% to 80% charge.

    Why do we use 10% to 80% numbers for charging, you might ask?

    EV batteries take a much longer time to charge from 80% to 100% than they do from 60% to 80%. So when road-tripping, you would normally aim to arrive at a charger with around 10% charge left (10% leaves some safety margin for unexpected problems, but there's little point stopping too early) and stop charging when the charge rate starts to slow down around 80-85% to avoid wasting time.

    EV chargers are typically co-located with cafes, restaurants, toilets, shops and other conveniences. So you would generally pull up at a charger and plug in, go to the toilet, grab some food, have a stretch and then hop back in the car with another ~300km of range added. Stop at another charger in 3 hours and repeat.

    But as I said, most charging will be done at home. Take 20 seconds to plug the car in when you arrive home, and when you leave again, your car has been sitting on charge the whole time and is fully charged, ready to go.

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      m0tyrider on 08/12/2023 - 14:05

      +1

      I have heard that 80% the batteries 'sweet spot'.

      I think as the tech evolves it will be much better but its not really suited to my life style.

      Can see it being great for inner city folk or those who do not road trip, tow, go off road.

      I think the environmental push for electric cars is very political though - climate 'science' is not undisputed fact, and the energy to charge the cars is not even green along with the battery longevity and waste.

      Ill just watch on the side lines for now.

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        klaw81 on 08/12/2023 - 14:18

        +1

        "Can see it being great for inner city folk or those who do not road trip, tow, go off road"

        Sure, they're not for everyone yet. That will change as technology improves, and more models become available.

        I don't own an EV for environmental reasons - I own one because I got a great price on a really nice car that's super cheap to run and maintain, is stupid fun to drive, and suits my lifestyle and driving habits perfectly.

        There is absolutely no question that EVs are better for the environment than ICEVs. Even running entirely on coal-fired power, the lifetime footprint of an EV is less than 1/3rd of an ICE equivalent. And all of the materials in a battery are not "used up" - even after they're completely degraded, more than 95% of a battery can be recycled and made 100% capacity again.

        There's very little waste in comparison to ICE vehicles, which are super low efficient in real terms.

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          m0tyrider on 08/12/2023 - 14:22

          @klaw81: *There is absolutely no question that EVs are better for the environment than ICEVs. Even running entirely on coal-fired power, the lifetime footprint of an EV is less than 1/3rd of an ICE equivalent. And all of the materials in a battery are not "used up" - even after they're completely degraded, more than 95% of a battery can be recycled and made 100% capacity again.

          I thought materials mined were quite expensive to mine and the emissions created to initially produce the battery/EV is much more than what a ICE will produce over its lifetime.

          Sounds promising though, I look forward to test driving one.

          What EV do you own?

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            klaw81 on 08/12/2023 - 15:35

            @m0tyrider: "I thought materials mined were quite expensive to mine"

            They were initially, but the price of lithium is dropping quickly as the supply chain ramps up and new reserves are opened. Also, battery chemistry is changing to avoid certain minerals like nickel and cobalt.

            "the emissions created to initially produce the battery/EV is much more than what a ICE will produce over its lifetime"

            No, although that's common misinformation from the FUD groups.

            It's true that emissions during manufacture are about 50% higher for EVs, because of the extra work and materials that go into the battery.

            However, this is heavily outweighed by the tailpipe emissions from an ICE during as it burns fossil fuels for each km travelled, as well as the emissions associated with regular maintenance like engine and gearbox oil changes, filters and other consumables. EV has no tailpipe emissions and very few maintenance items, and emissions from energy production (even from coal fired power) pales in comparison to the emissions associated with oil production, transport, refining and transport.

            In the end, the lifetime emissions of an ICEV will typically be at least double to triple that of a comparable EV, mostly depending on how the energy from an EV was sourced.

            I strongly advocate taking an EV for a test drive. Even the base model RWD Model 3 is pretty entertaining, and the dual motor versions are crazy quick. I've given a few friends a test drive and they have come away laughing and impressed.

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          itsme56 on 08/12/2023 - 14:54

          @klaw81: They can be but they won’t be because it’ll be cheaper to buy new than to recycle. A lot of batteries will end up in landfill.

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            Aureus on 08/12/2023 - 15:25

            @itsme56: That isn't a problem today and probably won't be in the future.

            While most EVs are not end of life yet, when they are the majority of the batteries will still have >80% capacity. These can be reused for energy storage.

            Battery recycling currently doesn't have economy of scale yet. Prices will go down. Also solid-state batteries will eventually become standard and these batteries are easy and cheap to recycle.

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            klaw81 on 08/12/2023 - 15:42

            +1

            @itsme56: An EV battery is still very useful, even when it no longer has sufficient capacity for practical use in a car.

            I am absolutely confident there will be many uses for ex-EV batteries in the stationary storage market. They're far too valuable to be thrown into landfill.

            This is already happening at a small scale due to the early failure of Nissan Leaf batteries. Not only are the batteries being used in large scale energy storage applications, but there's also a small industry growing around Leaf battery refurbishment, and 3rd party replacement batteries.

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              Naigrabzo on 09/12/2023 - 13:11

              @klaw81: Yeah those large scale boys will probably take your battery and pay you nothing for it. You will end up with car with no battery and no value.

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        E5TOQUE on 08/12/2023 - 14:47

        +1

        The 80% limit you are referring to is for NCM batteries.

        LFP batteries can be charged up to 100% over and over again with much less impact to the battery. They are the ones you want in your car.
        * Less degradation
        * Less thermal runaway
        * No children mining cobalt and nickel to power your car
        * Cheaper prices

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          klaw81 on 08/12/2023 - 15:36

          @E5TOQUE: LFP batteries still charge slowly beyond 80% though. That's why they're usually only charged to around 80% during road trips, not because of degradation risks.

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            E5TOQUE on 09/12/2023 - 06:39

            @klaw81: All batteries slow down around the ~80% mark.
            The difference is generally pretty negligible.

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          Naigrabzo on 09/12/2023 - 13:11

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          @E5TOQUE: Yeah 100% will take one hour though. Fun times during road trips.

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    Naigrabzo on 09/12/2023 - 13:10

    -3

    This will take nearly 30 minutes if you include the faff trying to get charger to recognise the car etc. It will only charge to 80% also on road trips. Home charging cannot be done on road trips… :)

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    dji1111111 on 09/12/2023 - 13:25

    +3

    Such a common question from non-EV owners.
    Every individual use pattern will be different but for most people doing normal day to day driving, this question is completely irrelevant.
    I've had my Tesla for 14 months now and only used public chargers twice when i was on holiday in Gold coast. I chose to use a slow charger because it's less than half the price of tesla supercharger and i wasn't in a hurry or anything
    Other times, my car is plugged in at home being charged for next to nothing from my solar panels and it's almost always at full charge ready to go. Much better than having to go to service stations in my book

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  h4lcyon on 10/12/2023 - 22:09

  Probably give it a few more years for Ford to catch-up?

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZqZCymWSmg

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    Naigrabzo on 11/12/2023 - 09:52

    Yeah they will one day invent 48V also… :)

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    HeyHi on 13/12/2023 - 09:29

    That is pretty brutal review especially for the higher end mac e. 'Melting connectors' - Ford didnt even get the basic right for an electric car.

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      h4lcyon on 13/12/2023 - 10:03

      Yeah, don't buy the first model, wait for others to do the testing.

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  OpticalCog on 16/12/2023 - 01:13

  I really liked the Mach-E when it was first released (prior to availability in Aus) and expected it would be my first EV in a few years when they start popping up on the second-hand market. But the Volvo EX30 came along and honestly just seems much nicer all around, bar maybe the exterior look but its not like there's a huge difference.

  edit: if anyone's seen a decent review comparing the EX30 and Mach-E would appreciate the link.

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    E5TOQUE on 19/12/2023 - 07:39

    Likely won’t, as they are different size classes.

    EX30 is a sub compact car, essentially a hatch back. Tiny boot, cramped rear space.
    The Mach-E is a mid sized car. Much larger boot, more room in the back seats.

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