[Waitlist] $7000 Off 2024 Ford Mustang Mach-E (Basic Models), Starting from $72,990 + On Road Costs @ Ford Australia

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[Waitlist] $7000 Off 2024 Ford Mustang Mach-E (Basic Models), Starting from $72,990 + On Road Costs @ Ford Australia

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E5TOQUE on 07/12/2023 - 15:19 ford.com.au (8795 clicks)
Last edited 07/12/2023 - 20:46 by 2 other users

Ford Australia has dropped the price of the Mustang Mach-E by up to $7000

2024 Ford Mustang Mach-E Select: $72,990 (-$7000) (This is the pick of all the models in my opinion)
2024 Ford Mustang Mach-E Premium: $86,990 (-$4675)
2024 Ford Mustang Mach-E GT: $104,990 (-$2675)

State EV Rebates

Queensland = $6000
South Australia = $3000
Western Australia = $3000
Tasmania = $2000

Power/Torque

Mustang Mach-E Select RWD: 198kW / 430Nm
Mustang Mach-E Premium RWD: 216kW / 430Nm
Mustang Mach-E GT AWD: 358kW / 860Nm

Battery Chemistry

Mustang Mach-E Select: 71kWh LFP Battery (Can be charged to 100% repeatedly with little degradation occurring)
Mustang Mach-E Premium: 91kWh NMC Battery (Likes to be charged to ~80 - 90% day to day, only charging 100% for long journeys)
Mustang Mach-E GT NMC 91kWh Battery (Likes to be charged to ~80 - 90% day to day, only charging 100% for long journeys)

Know your battery packs! LFP vs NMC

I'd recommend educating yourself. Youtube is a good place to start.
This is another reason why I would choose the Mach-E Select grade over the others.

LFP has no cobalt or nickel. See how this stuff is mined and by who (its done by children in a lot of cases).
LFP can be charged to 100% over and over again with little degradation occurring.
LFP has heavily reduced thermal runaway issues

Range

Mustang Mach-E Select: 470km
Mustang Mach-E Premium: 600km (When you factor in that you need to limit day to day charging to 80% on the NMC battery fitted to this car, it's the same day to day range you would get in the cheaper Select model. You just have the option of longer range on the odd occasions you charge up to 100%)
Mustang Mach-E GT: 490km

For people looking for an EV SUV that is similar in size/price/equipment to the Model Y, but don't want to buy a Tesla, this has now jumped to second place in my humble opinion.

Mustang Mach-E Select grade seem to be the one to go for as it comes just as fully equipped as the Model Y RWD, with a few extra things you can't get in the Tesla like:

Blind Spot Monitoring
Park Assist
Rear Cross Traffic Alert
Surround View Camera
Apple CarPlay
Android Auto
FordPass connectivity included for free (Tesla ask you to sign up to the $9.99 a month subscription)

There are extended wait times across Ford's model range. Please contact your local Ford Dealer for updated information on current availability.

For more information on the price drop and all the equipment see the article here:

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/2024-ford-mustang-mach…

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- - - - klaw81 on 07/12/2023 - 18:03
        
        +1
        
        @trevor99: Not worse - different.
        
        EV fires are almost impossible to extinguish using conventional fire-fighting equipment, but they are far more self-contained. Because they don't carry a large tank of flammable liquid that tends to spill over the floor, they are less likely to spread fires to other vehicles and infrastructure. They also don't have a tendency to violently explode, which occasionally occurs with ICE vehicles.
        
        As you've said, the best strategy for EV fires is to isolate them as well as possible, and let them burn out.
        
        We already run the risk of catastrophes in an enclosed area because ICE cars already exist, and have a much higher likelihood of catching fire. The recent Fremantle Highway and Luton Airport carpark fires are just the latest examples of this, but similar incidents have been happening for decades.
        
        It seems we've all just accepted that ICE vehicles catch fire occasionally, but for some reason an EV fire is some great and fearful thing despite the rarity. The level of fear-mongering, especially on social media, is genuinely bewildering.
        
        trevor99 on 08/12/2023 - 12:28
        
        @klaw81: "Not worse - different" That's a good one.
        
        Petrol cars can catch fire in an accident, sure, but something needs to ignite it. Unlike batteries that can decide to burn at 3am from charging or from a fault that developed days before.
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/12/five-…
        
        klaw81 on 08/12/2023 - 13:08
        
        @trevor99: Again, this is totally false.
        
        The Luton Airport carpark fire was caused by a diesel Range Rover that had been parked there for hours, if not days.
        
        The Fremantle Highway ship fire was caused by an ICE vehicle that was parked and tied down, and hadn't been driven for at least a day or two.
        
        ICE cars can and regularly do just start their own fires, due to manufacturing faults, impact damage or wear, even while stationary.
      - Naigrabzo on 07/12/2023 - 17:39
        
        @klaw81: Any data showing 20x claim?? Curious about this.
        
        klaw81 on 07/12/2023 - 18:06
        
        +1
        
        @Naigrabzo: Here's an article that discusses the issue - data used in the article comes from EV Firesafe and the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency.
        
        https://theconversation.com/electric-vehicle-fires-are-very-…
        
        Naigrabzo on 11/12/2023 - 16:29
        
        @klaw81: Thanks for this. I have had a look.
        
        Have you read the whole article and all of the references?
        
        The numbers for EV would have too large of a SD to be sure.
        
        Prelim information does show that two are probably equal though IMO.
        
        However I don't think we can say either is more likely at this stage. Time will tell of course.
Buy2Much on 07/12/2023 - 16:47

Does anyone know where to test drive this? Looking at Ford web site, nothing is available for test drive at any dealer (only a few dates in Oct and Nov).
Tesla does not have an army of dealers, yet it is so easy to book one for test drive…
- Naigrabzo on 07/12/2023 - 16:54
  
  This I agree. It was a breeze to book a test drive of Tesla. I enjoyed the drive but not putting wipers on or adjusting mirrors while driving.
  - PerthectDeal on 07/12/2023 - 18:06
    
    Wipers just press the end of the left hand stork. Think the new 3 has a button on the steering wheel.
    Should not need to adjust mirrors while driving, once set they are locked to your profile, they can dip in reverse that is handy
    - Naigrabzo on 07/12/2023 - 18:09
      
      I sometimes have to adjust mirrors while driving because I shift my position on long drives.
      - dji1111111 on 08/12/2023 - 10:37
        
        @Naigrabzo: Ok that must happen once a year? Pull over for 10 seconds and do it? Seems highly irrelevant in purchase decision
        
        Naigrabzo on 08/12/2023 - 10:49
        
        @dji1111111: No it happens frequently for me. It's strange that you assume that it happens only once a year without knowing.
        
        YMMV. I am only describing my experience.
    - Naigrabzo on 07/12/2023 - 18:10
      
      I also wanted to adjust the frequency of wipers because auto wipers didn't work properly.
docmartin on 07/12/2023 - 16:58

Isnt the cut off for discounted Novated Leasing 86k

Seems like a major fopar for ford if true
- R00D on 07/12/2023 - 17:03
  
  That's true.. Though with GST gone and the other benefits still offered in some states it might bring the Premium under the threshold.
  It's still too expensive considering Model Y is cheaper, its natural competitor and a lot more popular. Should be marked at least as expensive if not cheaper.
OzViper on 07/12/2023 - 17:11

+9

This is not a deal.
Ford were smoking crack when they originally priced this car for the Australian market (placing it well above the LCT threshold and it's competitors)
This price adjustment is purely just to come under LCT and to be more in line with the competition.

It is like those 'deals' everyone hates with the inflated RRPs
- Danstar on 07/12/2023 - 17:36
  
  100%
  
  Even with the new IC Mustang, they’ve seen a huge number of cancellations come through
piston3461 on 07/12/2023 - 17:28

You really wonder what goes through the mind of car designers nowadays. It’s like they asked a modern BMW designer to create a hybrid of a Tesla and a Haval
- Naigrabzo on 07/12/2023 - 17:41
  
  We hardly need em. Just feed the computer the required CD and iron out the edges. OR NOT then you get cybertruck.
Mozzmanau on 07/12/2023 - 17:32

-5

More EV garbage
Danstar on 07/12/2023 - 17:35

-1

Along with the real Mustang, ford have overpriced these vehicles and have seen the mass cancellations of all their Mustang range
xdigger on 07/12/2023 - 17:45

What's the fastest wait time for any of these model?
Speckled Jim on 07/12/2023 - 18:04

+1

Looks like we're getting UK cast-offs. This has been a sales stinker over there.
Lucky us!
ass3ts on 07/12/2023 - 18:19

+1

By now these are very mediocre by comparison in many aspects. Even that nose cone looks like the first-generation Model S released more than a decade ago.
spaceflight on 07/12/2023 - 18:33

+3

Big touchscreen centre console with no buttons?

No thanks.

Let's stop with the distracting, hard to use and dangerous touch screens in cars.
- tunzafun001 on 07/12/2023 - 22:18
  
  +2
  
  Yeah, i dont get it.
  Its like the entire market is 5yr olds who love having a big screen TV in the room.
  I got given a Mitsi loan car and the sun was coming in at an angle off the stupid huge screen right in my eye. Then I couldnt line up the front of the car properly when parking as the screen blocks your view (as it sits higher than the dash).
  Then all the older basic one button functions require you to go into a settings menu to adjust.
  It's like reverse evolution.
  - pizzip on 08/12/2023 - 11:25
    
    Its like the entire market is 5yr olds who love having a big screen TV in the room.
    
    And to boot, most new car designs look like a 5yr old's idea of something "futuristic".
    - tunzafun001 on 08/12/2023 - 11:48
      
      Yeah.. The shape of cars should change completely. Big mind shift. We dont have an engine or need a grill at the front any more. Aero shaped bubbles incoming.
      - Speckled Jim on 08/12/2023 - 13:00
        
        @tunzafun001:
        
        It's like reverse evolution.
        
        Devolution!
        
        Aero shaped bubbles incoming.
        
        They've been around for ages. The biggest problem is rear headroom without it looking very odd.
        The BMW i8 was a nice one from 2014.
        
        tunzafun001 on 08/12/2023 - 20:44
        
        @Speckled Jim: Im thinking more bike helmet on wheels.
        
        Speckled Jim on 08/12/2023 - 21:38
        
        @tunzafun001: Sure, those funny streamliner styles were around from the 1930s. Problem was, they didn't know the importance of the smallest frontal area possible to maximise aero advantage.
        
        There's been many since, the VW XL1 basically went the short coupe route pioneered by the 1999 Honda Insight, itself an evolution of the CRX.
        They all share small frontal areas combined with the bobtail, something the Italians termed coda tronca.
        
        For passenger cars (as opposed to coupes) they have to stretch them and they invariably end up looking weird, or the rear headroom is compromised, and it's often dark back there thanks to the higher/smaller windows.
milobob on 07/12/2023 - 19:13

+2

Hmm no. I'd rather buy a Tesla or BYD over this. It's not a bad product. Looks funky not in a good way. Way overpriced.

Anyone who wants to compete with Tesla needs to do what BYD is doing. That is all. Simple. Not charge more.
massari on 07/12/2023 - 19:16

I ended up buying second hand Tesla 3 LR for 30% discount (1 year old). Much better system than these cars
- Brick Tamland on 07/12/2023 - 20:07
  
  -3
  
  Why do Tesla drivers always have to mention they drive a Tesla randomly?
  - Grok on 07/12/2023 - 21:17
    
    -2
    
    Why are ICE car drivers so butt hurt that ICE is now a dead technology?
    - Brick Tamland on 07/12/2023 - 21:34
      
      +1
      
      Doesn’t look dead to me. Current EV tech is more likely to be outdated by new EV than ICE.
    - Hackney on 08/12/2023 - 08:38
      
      Dead technology? Are you kidding?Time you researched a little bit better on the issues facing EV’s,sales are tanking in the US(massively) Ford,GM & Stellantis are stopping production of a few of their EV models as they are not selling.Stock Inventory’s in the US are well over 3 months, some are as high as 200+ days.Mustang Mach E they just cannot move them, this is typical of a lot of EV’s.People are purchasing ICE instead(fact).
      - Grok on 08/12/2023 - 09:33
        
        @Hackney: Yes Ford,GM & Stellantis are stopping production of many EVs, TRUE.
        
        But why?
        
        Not because EVs don’t sell, EVs sales are growing, the highest ever this year and even this qtr.
        
        NO crappy EVs don’t sell, EVs without charging systems don’t sell, converted ICE platforms don’t sell.
        
        Crappy EVs don’t sell.
        
        The Mach-E is a crappy EV, look at the Sandy Monroe tear down, the car is rubbish!
        
        And enough people know it. Anyone knowledgeable about cars knows that the only good EVs are Teslas, maybe Hyundai/Kia maybe just maybe Polestar and a few Chinese brands which sell on price.
        
        Hackney on 08/12/2023 - 11:31
        
        -1
        
        @Grok: All EV’s in the US have large stock inventories(fact).The government(S) are all pushing everyone to get into them with subsidies etc…I don’t care whether the Mustang E is crappy or not, the fact remains sales are tanking for EV’s.It is a trend.Why do you think Toyota has not intentionally gone down this path?Sure they have a couple of EV’s, but certainly have not gone gangbusters on them.Toyota usually reads the market pretty accurately.Honda is in the same situation,they won’t commit fully atm either.The two of them are sell huge numbers in the US.I would certainly not rush in & purchase one @ the present time, & I could well afford too.ICE will be around for many years yet.(Fact)
        
        Grok on 10/12/2023 - 14:40
        
        @Hackney: Many legacy manufacturers are going to go broke just as happened in every other technological disruption.
        
        Fact.
        
        All the EVs with excess stock are pretty woeful EVs
        
        Fact.
        
        Tesla sells every EV it makes.
        
        Fact.
        
        Tesla can afford to drop prices further to increase sales.
        
        Fact.
        
        Other manufacturers cannot afford to match Tesla on price for similar cars without losing money.
        
        Fact.
        
        Hackney on 13/12/2023 - 09:14
        
        @Grok: They are not going to go ‘broke’, that’s just laughable! What a load of BS.Another ‘fact’ for you, Tesla does not sell every car it produces, especially in the US, where stock inventories are around 90 days.(fact).
        
        Grok on 13/12/2023 - 11:15
        
        @Hackney: What does Tesla do with the cars it doesn’t sell? Put them in the crusher? Laughable.
        
        Almost every independent expert predicts that some or many major legacy automakers will go broke during the EV disruption.
        
        This has happened in every previous disruption. Cameras, smart phones, online shopping, everything internet related. The previous incumbents often go broke or heavily restructure becoming a shell of their former self.
        
        Why should automobiles be any different? Especially since we have a double disruption, China! Already China ahead bought a whole swag of failed legacy auto.
        
        Hackney on 13/12/2023 - 14:57
        
        @Grok: All manufacturers eventually sell their cars, it is the dealers that it cost the money, because ALL their vehicles are under finance, that is the way it works.As I alluded to, stock inventories are around 90 days, some manufacturers are over 200 days of stock being held.Which ‘legacy’ manufacturers do think will go under then? This should be interesting(& don’t say Toyota, because that won’t ever happen, period.)
  - massari on 07/12/2023 - 21:56
    
    +1
    
    WYM? I used to be like you. I bought a 20k Ioniq 2020 model, loved EVs, but can see why Tesla are the leaders in the EV space, plus they are cheaper compared to their competirors.
    
    BYD are doing a good job in the budget area, no doubt about that.
    
    You could always spend 100K+ on the KIA EV6, 150k on the EV9, 100k+ on the Ioniq 5, and they still only do half of what tesla does, especially when it comes to charging…. (broken/down chargers)
aka nioh on 07/12/2023 - 19:31

+2

Upvoted for the knowledgeable post about EVs. But I wouldn't touch a ford again after a leaking oil filter and abysmal warranty service.
- Hackney on 08/12/2023 - 11:39
  
  All manufacturers have issues of some sort, singling out one manufacturer is actually quite pointless.
  - aka nioh on 08/12/2023 - 14:53
    
    Thankyou for sharing your opinion. You commenting to a comment you consider pointless is quite pointless in my opinion👍
    - Hackney on 09/12/2023 - 07:35
      
      As your post is quite pointless.All manufacturers have issues(shock horror).
- Naigrabzo on 09/12/2023 - 13:04
  
  Yeah, these mach-e have no reliability data in Australian conditions.
  - Hackney on 09/12/2023 - 14:46
    
    Did I actually mention that? Think you need to re read that again, perhaps spec savers can help you?
    - Aureus on 09/12/2023 - 16:24
      
      +1
      
      They weren't responding to you.. maybe you should book the appointment. 😆
chuq on 07/12/2023 - 20:05

You can add "Tasmania - $2000" to the state rebates.
petebern on 07/12/2023 - 20:08

None of these cars qualify for the Qld rebate - Max $68k incl GST.
GeneralSkunk on 07/12/2023 - 20:17

On the top half of the front page with over 210 comments… must be an EV deal.
harry2008 on 07/12/2023 - 20:32

Hey Ford,

We already have a Tesla MY. Drop the price on Everest sport/platinium and I’ll buy one. Ta
kungfuman on 07/12/2023 - 20:52

so it is basically more expensive than a model 3 with with less specs? this seems to be the trend for kia hyundai and now ford high pricing they can't seem to compete with tesla or BYD.
- Naigrabzo on 09/12/2023 - 13:05
  
  Also quite bad CD at 0.28. If you buy this you will realise that the range is abysmal.
dynaflow on 07/12/2023 - 21:05

Steve McQueen must be turning in his grave…..looks like any other electric car.
Grok on 07/12/2023 - 21:14

+2

Before you buy this go look at the Sandy Monroe tear down of this car.

The car is riddled with ICE era components slapped here and there. There are masses of rubber tubing going left, right, up and down moving fluids to seperate systems that should be unified like on a Tesla.

This car will be a long term maintenance nightmare when that tubing becomes old and brittle.

Yes the Mach-E is a dedicated platform EV but one using predominantly ICE era components often third party, whenever possible.
inamberclad on 07/12/2023 - 21:15

-2

Loving our EV, it's an LFP underneath.

My question for the floor: is it illogical to accept LFP as a transition battery tech (from NMC perhaps to something less damaging to the environment from mining/processing), but not accept gas as a transition fuel?
- Naigrabzo on 09/12/2023 - 13:06
  
  It';s ok to accept it as long as it makes a good value preposition. This deal does not.
Ryk on 07/12/2023 - 21:34

+1

What has this monstrosity got to do with a Mustang?
Way to destroy a brand, Ford.
Maltopia on 07/12/2023 - 21:57

Why are peeps suggesting novated lease, which allows you to pay with pre tax dollars? You normally save money by driving lots and paying for petrol etc with pre tax dollars, but there is no petrol cost here?
- ChaseTheSun on 07/12/2023 - 22:14
  
  The federal government (Labor) has introduced an electric car fringe benefit discount exemption (thank god) for novated leases. Check it out. Be informed.
- h4lcyon on 08/12/2023 - 21:21
  
  This is why.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTENEUYmYUg
  
  TL;DR it's generally cheaper overall in most circumstances.
- dji1111111 on 09/12/2023 - 13:16
  
  That is because you don't understand where the savings come from. Savings on running costs are not that significant anyway.
  With FBT exemption, you are basically funding your car (ie. Financing costs and all running costs) with your pre tax income (30% and more for lot of people) and also not paying GST on part of the purchase price (most lease companies will mislead you into thinking that you save 10% here but it's a lie because you pay GST on your residual ) and running costs.
  - Naigrabzo on 11/12/2023 - 09:52
    
    Most of the time it's about 5-10k savings but there are factors that may make it more complicated.
    
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-03/new-car-novated-lease…
    - dji1111111 on 11/12/2023 - 09:59
      
      Rubbish article with many misleading statements.
      Most lease companies allow you to adjust the budget for running costs and you are not locked in.
      How in the world could she get the budget so wrong that she wasn't being reimbursed for anything lol
      How she paid $70k all up for a car costing less than half of that will forever be a mystery to me.
      Most people have zero clue about how novated lease works anyway
      Also, it's completely different scenario for EVs because they are exempt from FBT
      - Naigrabzo on 11/12/2023 - 10:04
        
        @dji1111111: Any links to expert articles on how it works?
Headless on 07/12/2023 - 22:04

+2

What a fugly mess of a car
- 00 on 07/12/2023 - 22:10
  
  ^ agree. Terrible looking car
- tunzafun001 on 07/12/2023 - 22:19
  
  Looks like an Alfa Spider rear??
l2p10 on 07/12/2023 - 23:12

+1

Its hard to see this car is anywhere better than Tesla/BYD

To start with, what have they done to the Mustang? What a mess

At least in WA, this will also not meet the EV rebate $3500 requirement. It needs to be less than 70k.

WA driveaway price seems to be from 81.9k. Tesla Y is from 72.6k. Is this car 9.3k + 3.5k (rebate) better than the Tesla Y?
- Naigrabzo on 09/12/2023 - 13:06
  
  Apparently you need pay that much to get 360 camera and android auto.
R4 on 07/12/2023 - 23:21

There's a great video on YouTube about a rural EV charging station in South Australia that's powered by a diesel generator
- snappy1234 on 08/12/2023 - 06:52
  
  @R4
  station in South Australia that's powered by a diesel generator
  
  Guess the normal service stations [petrol/diesel] would be the same yeah ?
  - R4 on 08/12/2023 - 10:46
    
    I would imagine that, if this town is like most Australian rural towns, they would be supplied from the local power distribution system. The supplier of this EV station could have done that too but the optics would be terrible. Instead, they've installed a few solar panel with a 'backup' diesel generator, the reality being of course that the generator is far from a backup and probably supplies power 90% of the time.
    
    Ho hum.
    - klaw81 on 08/12/2023 - 11:18
      
      +2
      
      This particular remote location was chosen because it was identified as a "black spot" where there was no EV charging infrastructure for a long distance. It's also on the route for the 2023 World Solar Challenge, which involves driving EVs over very long distances.
      
      NRMA wanted to install a charger to prevent EV drivers from being stranded. However, there is currently no grid supply to this remote area.
      
      The installation therefore includes about 12kW of solar panels and a large stationary battery. Given the prevalence of sunshine in this part of the world, this should be enough to support the occasional charge from a passing EV without issues.
      
      However, there are situations where a number of vehicles may visit in rapid succession, or a number of overcast days in a row, so there's also a generator to recharge the batteries when they get too low, to ensure the charger remains available at all times.
      
      This is not a "gotcha" moment like EV detractors seem to think it is. It's a very pragmatic and sensible solution to a tricky problem.
      - Naigrabzo on 09/12/2023 - 13:08
        
        -1
        
        @klaw81: So you have to wait ages to charge (and waste all that energy in converting petrol to electricity) rather than just chuck in the diesel or petrol in a coupla minutes on ya way to 1000km range… I love it.
        
        klaw81 on 10/12/2023 - 06:24
        
        @Naigrabzo: Nope, you completely misunderstood the system.
        
        Charging works exactly like any normal EV charger. The only difference is that the charger is drawing power from a battery, rather than the grid.
        
        The generator is only there to ensure that the battery always has a certain amount of juice.
Hackney on 08/12/2023 - 07:16

As with the majority of EV’s in the US, they have around on average 3 months worth of inventory, some are actually a lot higher going in the 200+ days.This is also why they are heavily discounted to move stock.The trouble is governments all around the world are giving incentives to the public to purchase these, literally trying to push people into purchasing one.The EV market in the US is in huge trouble @ this present time.It is actually causing huge financial stress to dealers who just cannot move them.Petrol/Hybrid they have no problem selling.All I can say is be very aware when purchasing one.We unfortunately are being flooded cheap Chinese EV’s as they are the biggest manufacturers in the world of these.They themselves have acres & acres of unsold EV’s in China.I am not against them, but a lot more development needs to be done on them.They are certainly not the answer @ this present time, we need a mix of propulsion methods.Ford,GM,Stellantis & a few other manufacturers are pulling right back in the manufacturing of them, as they just cannot move them.I can fully understand why Toyota is being very cautious in their approach to them, in not putting out a raft of EV’s in their line up.I think they will be proven right as time goes on.Honda is much the same.(these two are massive sellers in the US with their Hybrid vehicles.)To be frank though I am certainly not trying to dissuade anyone from purchasing one,we all have choices & should be respected for what we purchase.
- Nom on 08/12/2023 - 18:52
  
  As with the majority of EV’s in the US, they have around on average 3 months worth of inventory, some are actually a lot higher going in the 200+ days.This is also why they are heavily discounted to move stock.The trouble is governments all around the world are giving incentives to the public to purchase these, literally trying to push people into purchasing one.The EV market in the US is in huge trouble @ this present time.It is actually causing huge financial stress to dealers who just cannot move them.
  
  You keep posting this, but can you explain why anyone should care ?
  
  If the manufacturers have to drop the price because they're having trouble selling their EVs, then the consumer wins. Good.
  
  So what's the problem that you're pointing out ?
  - Hackney on 09/12/2023 - 07:38
    
    -1
    
    But does the consumer ‘win’? The trend is going the other way, depreciation is massive on them,a win you say? Not likely.People are already complaining the vehicle they have purchased has been hit hard with this, notably Mustang E owners because of the deep discount to move the things.
    - Nom on 09/12/2023 - 18:04
      
      As a buyer of used cars, heavy depreciation is absolutely fine with me. The more the better please 👍
      - Hackney on 10/12/2023 - 06:50
        
        @Nom: I agree entirely on used cars, absolutely, the second owner wins, especially on luxury cars which have massive depreciation in their first year.But if you purchase a new car every three years or so, it can hurt,but if you hang onto it, it means nothing.
DevlicK on 08/12/2023 - 08:28

LFP has no cobalt or nickel. See how this stuff is mined and by who (its done by children in a lot of cases).

Talk about modern slavery…Definitely would not be picking Select if this were true
- R4 on 08/12/2023 - 09:28
  
  -1
  
  Child slaves in Congo. I find it interesting how many in the West are so selective in their activism - railing against carbon emissions yet silent over child slavery.
  
  Ho hum.
- klaw81 on 08/12/2023 - 10:54
  
  +1
  
  You got that backwards.
  
  LFP in the Select model is the one that you should choose, as it doesn't contain cobalt.
- E5TOQUE on 08/12/2023 - 14:41
  
  LFP is the one you want because it has NO cobalt or nickel. The Select grade is the definitely the one you want.
  
  NCM is the one you want to avoid (most EV's use these batteries)
- Naigrabzo on 09/12/2023 - 13:09
  
  Worried about Cobalt? Throw your phone away immediately!
[Deactivated] on 08/12/2023 - 08:37

It's fugly at any price. 🤮
quikstix on 08/12/2023 - 09:00

+2

Reminder the below rebate is income dependent,
Queensland = $6000 is if you earn under 180k gross otherwise it’s $3000
- next gen on 08/12/2023 - 15:25
  
  Typical
  - dji1111111 on 09/12/2023 - 13:18
    
    +1
    
    Yes ,typical for this country. "High income earners" receive less of everything from the government but has to pay the biggest share of everything. Success is penalised lol
R4 on 08/12/2023 - 09:30

Subsidies are generally bad but sometimes a necessary evil - helping middle-class punters to buy a nice car is definitely not one of those.

Pathetic.
- klaw81 on 08/12/2023 - 10:59
  
  +1
  
  The intent of the subsidies currently offered is to make a new car buyer more likely to buy an EV over an ICE model, by reducing the cost disparity. This has three major effects:
  
  Each EV sale reduces overall emissions by a small amount, compared to the alternative of a new ICE vehicle.
  
  It speeds up the process of getting a decent supply EVs into the 2nd hand market in 2-3 years time.
  
  It creates a larger market for public EV charging, attracting private investment to expansion in this necessary service.
  - R4 on 08/12/2023 - 11:12
    
    -2
    
    Subsidies are generally bad but sometimes a necessary evil - helping middle-class punters to buy a nice car is definitely not one of those.
    
    Any subsidy can be 'justified' is you draw a long enough bow. EVs are like any other product in a capitalist economy - it will sell if there is demand and the price is right. Getting the taxpayer to stump up some of the cost of an EV is ridiculous - and a terrible opportunity cost.
    - klaw81 on 08/12/2023 - 11:26
      
      Not "helping middle-class punters to buy a nice car" - helping them make a better choice of car. It encourages a desirable behavior, which is exactly what subsidies are intended to do.
      
      The state wants people to buy EVs for various environmental and economic reasons. Lots of people want to buy EVs for environmental and economic reasons. The demand is there - the biggest barrier is cost; an equivalent EV is often 5-10k more expensive than its ICE counterparts.
      
      You can argue about whether it's value for money or not, but there are also plenty of other incentives that work in similar ways for people to make better (more desirable) purchase decisions, and plenty of them make less sense that this one.
keejoonc on 08/12/2023 - 10:23

Don't know why you would choose this over Model Y unless you have some fantasy about this being a proper Mustang.
- fez on 08/12/2023 - 13:02
  
  some people have brand preference. but i agree.

This was posted 5 months 3 days ago, and might be an out-dated deal.