Slightly cheaper than the previous deal and has stock.
Shipped from NZ and arrived in 4-12 working days.
The 4GB ships on 15/12/2023 while the 8GB ships on 16/02/2024 (as of today).
Raspberry Pi 5 Model B 4GB $105.05, 8GB $136.10 (Pre-Order) + $5 Delivery @ PB Tech
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are these still a thing given for that price you can buy a much more powerful usff that has a 25-35W TDP
Do you have an example?
But yeah raspberry pi are popular because of form factor and the community work that has gone into the software side of thingsah the ones with the mobile processors.
mobile processors
You can find desktop processor ones on used SFF too easily not much more than $150. - https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/818358
But anyway the raspberry pi 5's CPU performance wont be signifacntly much better than any 7th gen or above processors (talking about intel).
also dont forgot the cost of extras for raspberry pi (like case , headers, pins, microSD card, adaptors etc.)
@ihuntbargains: Not if you buy it when there is a good deal
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/813244@XanderYuan: There's no point linking to these, only happens once in a blue moon, and when it does happen, there's only a few in stock and sells out in under a minute.
agree SFF PCs or USFF PCs or Mini SFF PCs are way way better than raspberry pies. (way cheaper on used market, and very easily upgradable and a lot more ports/conectivity built in)
Thank fully someone guided me this right path of SFF PCs instead of raspberry pi pathway(i used to think was way to go in past).
I am very happy with my SFF PCs rn, and its powerful enough for multiple things at once
Good decision-making. Optiplex SFF machines are way more cost effective and provides much better overall performance. I used Pi 4 8GB running Manjaro aarch64 as desktop for 3 month, it was OK with lightweight DE/Window Manager but the CPU/Memory and especially the USB 3.1 to PCIe bridge (JMS583 chip, supports UASP + TRIM), but only limited to simply web browsing, Email, and doing stuff in the Terminal Emulator. HDMI output to 4K monitor was also a bit struggling depending on the DE (and effect enabled) of choice. Turned that into a RetroPi (other 2GB ones as low power servers, HA, etc.). Got a used Optiplex 7060 SFF for about ~200, worked for simple routine tasks, way way better for the money…
As a non tech guy i quite liked the raspberry pi400 - quite a few turnkey retro game images released up to 1tb with pre-mapped keyboard and controllers. i suppose your dropping another 100-200 dollars for microSD cards but great instant retro fun.
I don't disagree, Pi 4 (Pi 400 is even a more compelling package) will definitely be a good toy with great fun (to kill time), but it may lack the horse power for those who wants to use it for intensive productivity workflows.
Same available for PCs and Laptops. Search: Batocera Arcade images.
Have a 1TB microsd image working with a Dell laptop (8th gen Intel) and 8BitDo SN30+ PRO controller (similar to a SONY Dualshock). Only thing to keep in mind is these may not always boot off the microsd put in the microsd slot on the laptop but do work if you use a USB microsd reader and boot off that on a USB port on the laptop.
Limited testing so far but seems to be OK upto PS2 level games. Gamecube a bit hit and miss but N64 just fine. I think it comes down to the emulator and settings in the image.
I have a RPI 400 and just find the laptop one more useful as it can be used a normal laptop most of the time and just boot off the self contained USB for gaming fun. You can do similar in RPI but just more tinkering expected.
What I do like RPI for is things like portable gameboys (i.e. RPI Zero 2W) and mini systems (i.e. PiiMiga or mini SNES/NES, etc). But those tend to be fixed purpose. From a price point once you start adding in the cables, power supplies, tinkering time, cards the USFF/Laptop options aren't too far off anymore. I'm very agnostic on my hardware so have Mac Mini, PCs (laptops and desktops), RPI (zero 2W, 4B, and 400).
Those SFF PC's are great but they do use more power. I've got 2 SFF's and 2 Raspberry Pi's and they both have their pros and cons. I'm a fan of the RPi's because they're low power and they handle the heat well.
I've got one running in my ceiling with an RTL SDR connected to it and an antenna on the roof (think modern day police scanner, except you can't listen to the cops any more) and one that sits outside under my patio connected to another antenna that tracks ADS-B signals from aircraft and feeds to sites like Flightradar24, Radarbox etc.
SFF's are running Proxmox and have USB disks attached for extra storage. They're a bargain but overkill for the jobs the RPi's do.
pi is a development board for basic electronics and coding so it has development kits like gpio that a boxed pc doesn't have
I don't know about usff but Pi reliably self boots and runs whatever software you tell it too, which gives it a few use cases.
USFF (Ultra-Small Form Factor) are just small PCs, Runs Stock Windows and Linux.
If you use Wake on Lan features you can get similar to self-boot. You can download the manuals for these to see which features are useful. My personal use case would be media streamer + retro gaming box.
Yes, but theres a lot of use cases for rpi's that a small pc isnt suitable for.
They have sold Millions of Rpi's btw there most certainly are use cases.
I was just using Pi for retro gaming. I got an 8th gen i3 Nuc with 8gb ram and 128gb m.2 for $140. Plays everything up to Wii with no hassle, and I also use it as a media PC.
As others have said, it's different use cases. Old USFFs are great, but RPis are a hobbyist thing. There's more to these things than playing media and old arcade games
Yeah and I could buy a Cray supercomputer instead but that's not what I need either.
I remember buying all the parts for my first gaming PC from PB tech back in Auckland. That store was always fascinating to teenage me. I still have the same computer running strong 10 years later.
For the last couple years, it's been a better option for most people to get an x86 mini PC like an Thinkcentre tiny, with an Intel XX00T & 16GB DDR4.
Any idea on how the power consumption compares? Raspberry Pi seems like a good option if you want a local server that doesn't cost too much $ to keep running 24/7.
Yep this keeps coming up in every single post or thread about Raspberry Pi — bottom line is that mini PCs are in a different ballpark altogether when it comes to processing power and power consumption.
Don't do what I did and add a PSU to your order, as that doesn't ship 'til Feb :'(
These have been in stock here for at least a week or so. Mine was delivered on Saturday, I didn't want to do another "ozinstock" post so I didn't post it here.
You must have missed something, OzStockAlerts has been around for a while now
anyone think the 4GB would arrive before xmas if ordered today?
if you´re in Aus just get it from core-electronics.com.au its more likely to arrive on time
I bought one to use as a MAME box, but after getting bored with that I turned it into a Pi-Hole.
Pi-Hole is probably the most effective ad-blocker for home internet.I ordered one from these guys. Pi 5 8gb. The delays were longer than listed. Still was able to order and recieve way faster than other retailers. Ordered 03/11/2023 Recieved 01/12/2023.
A PSA that the USB-C power needed by the Pi 5 is slightly odd - it needs 5A which is relatively rare. I heard from Core Electronics that there's no ETA yet on the Australian release of the official power supply. The main effect of using a standard 3A PSU is that you can't power USB devices as well, so your USB boot may have to wait. Unless someone can point me to a 5A adapter we can pick up here?
https://www.reddit.com/r/UsbCHardware/comments/16v1ub2/pi_5_…
Pi Foundation should have used 9V/3A as supported by almost every USB-C chargerWith 5V/5A almost a proprietary spec, the Pi 5 is now only a deal if bundled with their own charger
I think this supports HEVC (h.265)
Hardware accelerated decode up to 4k 60fps. I have no idea what profile support or colour space that implies.
Everything else (eg. all H264, H265 encode) they expect the CPU to just get through via brute force. I'm guessing this might preclude the use of AV1 at high res.
I did see this on PI forum
"Correct, no HW video encoding. The ARM cores are good enough to replace the previous HW H264 encoder, in fact, they can do higher resolution and better quality. We've never had HW HEVC encoding and that is still in software. I do not know how fast that encoding is though. There is no Mali in the SoC, it's a Broadcom device with a VideoCore7"Not much information about decoding.
The Pi 4 supports hardware decoding of h.265 which works fine at 1080p, but struggles with 4k. This one does h.265 at 4k
8 GB!? IN 2023!?!? /s
Yep. I got one of these because people said it could play minecraft but it’s absolutely garbage.
I hear it even struggles with basic Chrome usage. Simple things like 250 tabs all running Javascript, open for weeks on end seem to bring it to its knees…
Total waste of money. These things are overhyped.
It's trash, can't even compile 17 large programs at once while encoding 4k video
@hambuger: Why would any normal person buy this? It's all just because of the hype and the design like @CommuterPolluter said! It's all down to the 'cult of personality' around Eben Upton!
@nebakke: because of the IO ports if interfacing to the physical world, it's more of a controller than a PC replacement. The idea of PI as a PC alternative came from the early days that it could be used in 3rd world or remote communities … get keyboard monitor and mouse from dumpster, get USB power supply and the African village kids have a cheap computer. Those days have moved on, and a PI costs more than $35 now, and with Win11 needing gen8 or better the African village will be awash older PCs, as the dictators government updates to Windows 11 and dumps old machines when Win 10 goes EoL in 2025.
@garage sale: r/whoosh
But thanks for the taking the time to explain anyway :) - I genuinely think it's nice that there are still people around who don't just default to 'DO YOU EVEN GOOGLE n00bZ!?'
@hambuger: RPi furmark score is trash.
In all seriousness though I was just kidding about how these are (mis)used. RPi is pretty overpowered for a controller and not the best choice for home server applications either. Still good for what it is as a generalist board.
Opening a PDF can bring a Pi to its knees.
I bought some retro pies quite a few years ago, I hope the older versions are still useful? As I haven't set them up since buying them.
Retro gaming still OK. The software improves year on year so try some of the newer images. I have Model 3B and 400 and except for some bit systems (i.e. Gamecube) run OK on either since 16 bit and 8 bit gen didn't tax these too much.
Can report, they actually didn't have any stock, They just sent me an email stating ETA 31st December 2023. i cancelled my Order. bought from alternate vendor for less cost.
4GB Variant
Mind to share the alternate? Maybe worth to update the post
I'll let you know once they ship it, if they dont ship it no point updating it they might be lieing about stock like pbtech was.
I bought from DIGI-KEY they shipped with fedex arriving Thursday
I just checked today showing available for backorder and a few $ cheaper. The stock of pi hasn't been back to normal as they promised, has it?
8GB not in stock though, says stock coming mid Dec, but then also allows you to pre-order where it says "ships on 16 Feb". It's not adding up…