The cheapest the RTX 4070 has been in a while.
Probably worth considering the 7800XT for $799. It's generally faster by single digit percentages in rasterisation and slower in ray-tracing, and also has 16GB of VRAM.
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Actually it is bad because 12gb ram. We've moved on from this price being reasonable. Before the 7800xt and 4070 Ti existed it was reasonable.
Yeah but in benchmarks depending on the game the 4070 only loses by 10fps max at 1440p but in some games beats the 7800xt. That's with FSR and DLSS enabled of course. With that in mind and the fact you'll get better performance in Adobe software and other programs than the 4070 still beats the 7800xt at this price even considering VRAM.
adobe lol. It really is game dependent but I assume you'll want to keep this card for at least three years. Over those three years there will be more and more games which reach the 12gb ram buffer. If Nvidia ever makes good on their promise to compress shaders this will be alleviated. At the end of the day you're better off just getting the 16gb of ram considering the 7800xt and 4070 Ti now exist.
@Budju: I agree 16gb should be the new minimum but the fact 12gb on an Nvidia card handles like 16gb on the 7800xt tells me it's not a huge concern. I'm only comparing the 4070 and 7800xt due to them being the same price currently, the 4070ti super has 16gb RAM but also costs $1350 although it's a much superior card. Also with feature updates such as compressing shaders I'd still get the 4070 at this price point. My 6800 build was great and super cheap that's why I'm a fan of AMD but I use Adobe and other AI accelerated programs and it falls short in that aspect.
@lookingforadeal7: The only thing is this price hasn't really come down since shortly after release, so if you were going to shell out $830-$900 on a 4070, you'd have been better off doing that 9 months ago. I'm running a 6800 as well, this will do me for a while. My other rig has a 3080 10gb, and you better believe I'm salty about that purchase.
@Budju: Yeah that's definitely true I'm holding out personally but might get a Legion Pro 7i with 4080 if I can get it for sub 3k with cashback seems like a decent deal as waiting for laptops won't get me anywhere. I've seen Nvidias marketing tactic on Instagram is showing how badly a 3080 performs against a 4070 using DLSS and it seems like a slap in the face to everyone who bought earlier cards. Meanwhile AMD releases the 7800xt with minimal performance upgrade compared to the 6800xt so it's hard to win. Definitely worth waiting if you don't need a rig ASAP, there's no games I really want to play that are coming this year other than Dragons Dogma 2 but I'll just wait until 5000 series release if I dont bite the bullet on a laptop.
This is a step in the right direction
The direction should be a Tisuper for $799
I don't really understand how you could choose a 7800xt over this for a saving of 30$ when your user experience is going to be considerably better.
Im not buying for a month or so but im looking at the 7900 xt
Slightly more rasterization performance & more VRAM & usually cheaper? Whats not to like.
yeah, im never going amd while their software is still consistently worse than nvidias
Get 4070 for RT.
If you like playing games at 40FPS for the sake of eye candy, sure.
I noticed that Centrecom also have the Galax 4060 for $419: https://www.centrecom.com.au/galax-geforce-rtx-4060-ex-1-cli…
16gb VRAM is pointless at this level of performance. Reportedly, even the new and more powerful 4070ti super scarcely benefits from the VRAM upgrade. 4070 for the same price as a 7800xt is a much much better deal when comparing DLSS to FSR alone. Great deal for you to share though!
Futureproofing isn't an exact science, but totally legit to consider.
Yeah it doesn't quite make sense though. You won't be able to play 4k native above low settings on any highend AAA that comes out this year on a 7800xt and expect more than 40fps. Give or take.. and 4k native is the only scenario you'll need 16gb vram for the next couple of years. It's like the 4060 16gb .. what's the point . Why play 4k native if you can't run any graphical feature sets with any kind of impressive fidelity.
4070 nails 1440p . With rt
It's not even about 4k, plenty of games nowadays requires higher vram. It's really hard to measure if 12gb is the bare minimum required for newer games, but here's some example of even the 3070 struggling due to 8gb vram being not enough, it's up to 80% performance difference compared to the rx 6800, which, in most games, have similar fps otherwise in 1080p.
I had an rx480 8gb before I had my 3070ti fe. Sure the 480 could play rdr2 . But utterly turned down. And at about 25/30fps 1080p medium/low preset.
The 3070ti cranks 4k red dead maxxed out with dlss balanced. With the same amount of vram.
Plus there isn't a 2023 AAA I can't play at reasonable fidelity at 1440p with some rt and This is without frame gen. On 8gb .
Now do I expect to be behind the curve in 2 years? Yep,
But the card will be 5 years old then And I'm sure heavy dlss on 1440p will still be playable.
So then I think I'm going to wait for 5070/5080 to get me into ps6 territory. Unless amd significantly ups it's AI game and offers it for cheaper and less power. I'm sticking with the market leaders not followers.
Agreed
lol have you been living under a rock you need this to train your own llm, all teh cool kids r doing it, get with the times old man
Llm? I'm 18
you need to be 12 to understand
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FWIW I have recently purchased a 7800XT, currently playing Jedi Survivor on 1440p high details, according MSI Afterburner, I am regularly using over 15GB of VRAM.
Would 4GB less of VRAM make any difference? Dunno, but if anyone wants to lent me their 4070 for comparison, I am happy to give it a go :)
You just turn the textures down from whatever the highest is to a step lower on your card see what changes 🙂… Also that games terribly optimised so most other games will be fine with 12 and probably ok for a good few years to come.
Most the debate here is missing the point, it's what you should be getting for the money you are paying, not what we think the future games will require…
This was the same discourse 3yrs ago when the 3070 was released with 8gig and it didn't age as well as the counterparts with 12gig (even the 3060). Back then it was for a $US500 it should have more vram… FFW to now that $500 is $6-800 and same debate…
To be fair, we had an inkling of an idea that 8gb wasn't enough due to unreal 5 demo. We know that it's no where near optimised, but we also know devs don't bother to optimise pc versions of the games. So that one was a bit more obvious.
I'll still personally pine for 16gb, not just for future proofing, but just to have better 1% low or preventing Hogwarts legacy's forcefully removing objects from screen.
@Wonderfool: Well that's precisely it too, hogwarts, forsaken do that on the fly and worse of all halo infinite does that after say 30-40mins of play without any dip in fps (when you hit the vram wall) …
Hardware unboxed have a good and fair take on the whole thing so it's good to watch their reviews and Gamers Nexus reviews before making a call on $AU800-1000+ gfx cards.
mate, far cry 6 would struggle with anything under 16 gb, its now 2024 - you buy 12 gb only if you want to play 1080p and at that you have better cards to chose from
I've was playing JS pretty well locked 60fps at 1440p dlss balanced on high/ultra settings with rt. Weird it's sucking up that much vram on your amd card.
I'm playing RE4 remake on PC and on ULTRA settings it's using 14.78 GB of VRAM. I'm starting to think 16 GB isn't even enough.
That’s strange. I played it on 4k ultra everything with my 4070ti and it took up 11gb. Which of course is pretty close to the max of 12 I can use but my card won’t have the raw power to play 4k in the future anyways
One of you got FSR or a DLSS mod turned on?
allocated memory vs used memory
Today's games will start to require 12GB for 1440p, as shown by those Avatar benchmarks. So if this card can last another 2-3 years in terms of 1440p performance, then 16GB may make a difference down the road.
I max out my 24GB all the damn time, wish I could have an affordable 48GB, hell 96GB would be even better.
cheaper than EOFY last year, good deal.
Expecting more deals from AMD now.
Nerf GPU prices ty
Website doesn’t mention anything about insurance. Does anyone know if there is any and how long it is?
Trade 4gb VRAM and few % raw performance from 7800XT to DLSS3, better RT performance, less power consumption 4070? I will say go for it, 12gb VRAM is good for now. No one knows games in 2-3 years, so just preference, both can be right or wrong choices in few years. Even though I think $800 GPU should come with 16gb VRAM
4070 isn't exactly going to be a RT powerhouse and it's only going to get worse. I wouldn't base my purchasing decision off the 4070 doing RT better. Also, it's not like the 7800 XT is completely useless at RT, it's just going to get beaten very easily in Nvidia-centric games like Cyberpunk, Portal RTX, etc.
The performance gain of the 7800 XT over the 4070 is fairly significant at this performance tier when you're fairly close to 60fps at 4K or 144fps at 1440p. You would need to overclock the 4070 significantly to match it, and the 7800 XT is an overclocking powerhouse in its own right, extending that gap by another 10%.
FSR3 also leverages frame gen just like DLSS3. It's greatly improved over FSR1 and 2 and should have wider support than DLSS in the future due to being open source. I don't feel DLSS is a key selling point of Nvidia anymore.
Lastly, that 4GB of extra VRAM is already proving to be pretty important. RE4, TLOU1, Avatar are some recent games that blow past 12GB at 4K. The 4070's 12GB will be what the 3070's 8GB is today, not enough to run modern games at decent texture settings.
You do know that all games until ps6 is about 2 years old will be made to run at least 1440p to1800p texture packs in 16gb of shared vram/dram ?
It's still a key selling point because fsr still looks rubbish
played through TLOU in 4k on 3070 (8gb). no issues with DLSS Quality
This is like day 1 price almost. Why are people upvoting the junk when 4070 Ti has the same RRP and will destroy it?
This is great for Stable Diffusion?
This is adequate for stable Diffusion 1.5. As with inferencing in almost all modern generative applications, great would be more VRAM.
I currently use a 10gb 3080 for SD 1.5 and it is definitely useable. But if you're buying a new card in 2024 for SD, youd wanna future proof and get minimum 16gb ram card.
For me THIS is the real bargain: https://www.centrecom.com.au/galax-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-ex-ga…
4070Ti for almost 200 less than everywhere else.
This "bargain" kinda sucks I'd be curious to know how many actually bought it at this price
Expired, damn as I was thinking of picking one up today.
price returned to $879 now
Although I'm usually a fan of AMD this isn't too bad stacked against the 7800xt at the same price due to extra Nvidia features.