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New nexus devices announced today by Google.
No updates with the Nexus 7. Just new storage capacities and new price points.
Shipping cost from Google Play Store $19.99
For those waiting for the Nexus4 and Nexus 10, those devices will be available Nov 13.
Would you like to provide some sort of technical reasoning why what I have said, and what engineers who work on the operating system, is "simply bs".
So they can charge you $100 extra for 16GB more in the 32GB version, rather than you doing it yourself for $12 with an SD card.
its not the same; why buy a 64gb ssd when you can just stick 32 2gb USBS together?
BTW with Nexus 7 we got rip off again.
Not really, In the states they'll pay maybe $30-50 sales tax on top of their $200 price, so it's actually very comparable to our $250 total (which will most likely be beaten by various retailers).
10" $au469…it's $us399 in the US - cheeky buggas
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020484050457808…
when you add GST the difference isn't really that large
Ah - that explains it - I forgot about GST being a thing.
Does Google Play price includes GST? Looking at the invoices of all my Google Play purchases over the years, none of them include the GST amount. You basically buy from Google in Mountain View CA, rather than buying from Google Australia with locally issued tax invoice.
My invoices from Google Play all include the GST amount. Curiously though, the amount stated is often $0.00.
Sorry that's what I meant when I said GST not included. So buying from Google Play AU they don't even pass that 9.19% to ATO…
After a closer look, it looks like apps developed in Australia had GST included, while others had it listed as $0.00.
Why does Google partner with different hardware manufacturers every time for their Nexus products? Now that they own Motorola, why don't they just make everything themselves?
Because that would piss off the OEMs who will then start looking for alternatives to android
Motorola Razr HD already has Google's stock Android ROM. There's no real difference between that phone and a Nexus other than branding.
You don't think they already pissed off hardware OEMs by partnering with them once, then dropping them for someone else? Were they not good enough for Google?
Well, they went with Samsung 3 consecutive times (Nexus S, Galaxy Nexus, and now the Nexus 10), so google obviously doesn't just drop OEMs for no reason
Plus, there is a huge difference between the nexus devices and motorola - when did the Razr HD receiving the jellybean update again? Any OEM is able to use stock android without a launcher or skin, they choose not to though to differentiate their products
Making Nexus devices themselves doesn't mean other Android OEMs can't still make their own, personalised to their own specifications.
Google has never asked Sony Ericsson, HTC or Huawei to make a Nexus device, but they still continue making Android hardware, and I don't think they're pissed off about it.
I've always preferred Touchwiz or Sense over the stock Google Android ROMs.
Sony and Huawei were never asked because they are hardly the top hardware manufacturer.
HTC also had the Nexus One
How do you define 'top hardware manufacturer'? Sales? Quality?
Sony phones are actually very good as are most of their products. I've used them myself. I think they're better than LG products.
Also, I don't really care much for the ASUS brand for electronics. They make good albeit overpriced graphics cards and motherboards, but they're not my go to brand for computers or tablets.
First google phone was made by HTC… which stands as probably the best one IMHO. Not sure why they would drop them :(
Do either Sony or Huawei have the manufacturing know-how to mass produce the screens, processors, memory etc at the price required by google (which I assume would be very low). Huawei - yes on price, no on tech. Sony - No on price, maybe on tech
Not really. HTC has record poor battery life on all their handsets. There's no way Google will use HTC again for that purpose. Besides their reputation has been ruined with poor sales recently with One X brand etc
Do either Sony or Huawei have the manufacturing know-how to mass produce the screens, processors, memory etc at the price required by google (which I assume would be very low). Huawei - yes on price, no on tech. Sony - No on price, maybe on tech
Could you give me a quote or link to the figures? You seem to have a lot of information. I want to know how much it costs Sony to manufacture screens, and how much Google requires them to cost.
Also, I've yet to see an Asus or LG screen that looks as good as the Xperia S. The Nexus 7 screen is pretty disappointing. The viewing angles are not great for an IPS. You can't tell me that ASUS screen is a 'yes' on both price AND tech.
Sony devices btw are cheaper than Samsung or HTC, so I until I see your figures, I have to dispute your claim that they can't produce on price.
Not really. HTC has record poor battery life on all their handsets. There's no way Google will use HTC again for that purpose. Besides their reputation has been ruined with poor sales recently with One X brand etc
What will it matter? It will have Nexus branding, which I assume will be good? You can't tell me LG is a market leader in sales on phones.. LOL. Neither is Motorola, but they were good enough for Google to acquire.
Apples and oranges. While Samsung, LG, HTC compete with the LATEST parts (such as quadcore cpu) Sony competes on design (with dual core cpu). This isn't new either - when other manufacturers were using dual core cpus, sony was still using single core.
Oh, and care to tell me who makes parts for the iphone 5? Samsung, LG, and SK hynix are the biggest suppliers. below is a link on the prices.
http://image.zdnet.co.kr/2012/09/17/WOblamw1IhSFuYoHzVGQ.jpg
Please read up on things before spewing unfounded nonsense such as 'I've yet to see an Asus or LG screen…..' while asking me to provide you with figures.
I actually like this, makes each device has a different persona
Nexus family : LG with phone, Samsung with big tablet and Asus with small tablet
I bought my damn Galaxy Nexus for 420 USD when the USD to AUD was really bad just a month ago …
From amount $390.92 USD
To amount $358.00 AUD
Exchange rate: 1 USD = 0.915788 AUD
(+delivery)
So sad :'(. I want a Nexus 4 so bad.
Take comfort in that no one foresee the Nexus 4 low price. I expected it to start $700+ then slowly drop in price. At the new price, there's probably not much room to move around until the next version is release.
i wouldve been sad if i paid $420 for a galaxy nexus at any stage in its lifespan…it was an outdated phone as soon as it was released (bested spec-for-spec by the already released galaxy S2).
the nexus 4 on the other hand…has a krait quad-core processor and a true IPS 720p display, so it's an improvement on the SGS3 (save for the lack of FM radio and microSD expansion).
Glad I didn't jump on the recent Nexus 7 sales. This 10 is a beast. It has a true 'retina display' (as defined by Apple) 300ppi, unlike the iPad's 265ppi. Now I just need to wait for a sale and for OW to price match it.
Not sure about the dual core CPU though. Wasn't the Nexus 7 quad core? Can this thing even handle movies played at native resolution?
I will just copy and paste the reply up top
2 A15 cores vs 4 A9 cores is a bit like 2 Phd students vs 4 high school students
2 PhD students will still lose to 4 High School Students depending on tasks. Just because they are better academically doesnt mean that they are more productive. How many Top 100 most successful people are actually Doctorates?
trolololol
2 A15 cores vs 4 A9 cores is a bit like 2 Phd students vs 4 high school students
I would rather have 4 Phd students.
Next you're going to tell me there will be some super PHD students that are so advanced that you only need 1 of them, and they are better than your 2 standard Phd students.
err… and this is available… where?
The Exynos 5250 is the first A15 apu available
Having a high ppi and massive resolution isn't necessarily a good thing unless you have the CPU/GPU grunt to back it up.
Human eye cannot see more than about 225 dpi, so anything more is wasted.
Reminds me of The Onion and the Flip It We're Going 5 Blades spoof.
But it does mean that Apple have lost the screen wars… iPad MiniEmergency Edition is worse than Nexus 7 and iPad 3, and now the Nexus 10 beats iPad 3/4.
Apple have not done anything significant since the 4S… what you got Mr Cook?
Human eye cannot see more than about 225 dpi, so anything more is wasted.
Maybe yours can't, but mine can. I have compared handsets and can clearly see the difference. I can't tell the difference between 300 and 340, but between 218 (SGS2) and 300 (SGS3), easily. If you still can't, hold it closer to your eye and you will.
Apple says the eye can't see more than 300 ppi, which is why they named their screens "Retina displays". Since I can't easily tell the difference between 300 and 340, maybe they are right. It's definitely not 225 though.
For regular viewing distance, unless you have greater than 20/20 vision, then no.
http://www.blaha.net/Main%20Visual%20Acuity.php
If you are of the habit of getting as physically close to the display as possible, and can focus that close, then yes, you'll need more pixels. For example the paper above suggests that if you can focus to say, 4 inches, you would need around 600 dpi.
as someone with myopia, I can assure you the extra resolution makes a big difference — I can focus less than an inch away (without glasses), so the difference between 1200 (standard laser print) and 2400 dpi (HQ magazine print) is manifestly apparent. I'm in a niche demographic of course, and it's unlikely they focus on this when designing printers or screens — there has to be a good reason why printing technology is so far beyond what computer/phone screens offer.
unfortunately, there is a trade off with the higher resolution, in that most user interfaces reduce the size of text/icons/etc in proportion to the increased number of pixels available. this may be tweaked by the user, but in most cases the readability is actually worse — the only gain being sharper photos, while squeezing more text on the same-sized screen.
why is standard pricing listed as a bargain?
cause the 16gb was advertised as that when it first came out. so in a way its a bargain for some people.
Don't forget that the previous 16GB one came with the $25 Google play credits.
Point is, I've seen posts that have listed price drops or new lower pricing that have been negged and moved to forums
so can i price match this $249 price for 16 gb anywhere yet ? officeworks don't have stock at the moment
unless they pulled it off the shelves, I saw one in stock yesterday at my local store.
Can I make calls with the new Nexus 7 3G? I mean normal phone calls, not Skype… Will get one if it can…
no
So only Samsung has such product at the moment I guess… that's disappointing!!!
I never understood why you'd want to make calls on a tablet. Do you intend to replace your phone with it? You won't be carrying your phone anymore? Would it not look a bit silly holding that big tablet to your ear?
Yes it will look silly if I hold it to my ear, but I think i will be using it mainly with earphone or in my car with BT speaker. A bit sick of carrying both tablet and phone separately…
use a BT headset. Why would I want to carry an extra 5" device with me just to make calls on when I already have a 3G tablet?
That's exactly my point, macrocephalic, I am with you…
use a BT headset. Why would I want to carry an extra 5" device with me just to make calls on when I already have a 3G tablet?
That's certainly an option. I've never liked BT headsets though. People think you're crazy and talking to yourself… or to them. If they can't see your headset because your hair is covering it, or they're only seeing one side of your face.
Confuses me every time I see someone close to me or facing me talk via BT.
Also, increased battery drain for BT. Lugging that tablet with you everywhere you go is also bigger and less portable (doesn't fit in your pocket) as a phone.
Why not consider a Phablet like the Note or Note 2?
Can some explain to me the difference in hardware that lets the Samsung 7 make calls, if this one can't?
My original Galaxy Tab can last a day and half with fairly heavy usage. Tablets got comparatively huge batteries, and last a lot longer than a phone even if you have the BT on.
Did it have cell/3G? That's extra drain.
They do have bigger batteries, though with bigger screens they also drain more mAh per minute so they kind of have to.
I'm never going to get rid of my phone, so I don't see it as an issue. It's just so much more convenient, and thus I don't need to wear something around my ear.
Samsung 7 tablet has a 3G option, with which you can use a SIM card and make phone calls, whilst the Google Nexus models here don't have a 3G option — apparently that will be offered later.
No SD slots in nexus 4?
Who do they think they are? Apple?
sigh
No nexus device except the very first one has had an SD slot. This isn't revelatory.
I get a feeling there will be a 64GB Nexus 10 offered in a few months. And it will cost an extra $100 on top of the 32GB. And also a 32GB Nexus 4.
is there a flash for the camera on the Nexus 4? I can't tell, and its not mentioned in the specs.
Yeah, in the video he turns the flash on and off.
thanks.. watched the video. In the phone pics, what I thought was the camera lens looks like the flash, with the camera lens just above it.
Man, I really want to get rid of my S3 and get a Nexus 4, but I need the MicroSD slot.
My s3 has 16gb+a 32gb card, so I'd be losing 32gb space.
It's just not possible. :(
Interested in why you're unhappy with the S3. It's a current generation phone - what don't you like about it?
(Genuinely interested - it's on my consider-to-buy list)
I like it, I just really want a Nexus device to go straight Android without Touchwiz.
And yeah, I realize there's CM10 but it's still buggy.
Definitely eying a Nexus 10, do you guys think the price will drop after a few months?
Rule of thumb: Is this a piece of technology? Yes. So it's price will drop after a few months. :p
Well, the iPhone didn't.
I was hoping people wouldn't bring that up >.> lol. I don't really know then :E
Apple products don't really compete in the same market. Yes an iPhone is still a phone but it doesn't exactly try to tackle all these Android devices - on price anyway. iPhones compete against each other.
very true.
Doesn't apply to Apple products.
yeah waiting for a sale like that other guy :D
The Galaxy Nexus price never really dropped below 300. (300 in the US Play store)
You might get lucky with a special here or there, but any price under 300 will be rare, which means you have to hang out here more.
My guess, they will wait and see if apple react, and how they sell.
If either the ipad price (maxi and mini) go down, or the Nexus 10 doesn't sell as they would like, they will drop the price. Either way, expect the Nexus 10 to do the Nexus 7's 'twice the memory at the same price' trick sometime in the new year (April would be good), together with a 3G version launched.
expect the Nexus 10 to do the Nexus 7's 'twice the memory at the same price' trick sometime in the new year
Not necessarily. The now-expired $25 Google Play credit deal largely makes up for the price depreciation. AFAIK, there is no such deal for the Nexus 10, and nor would it make sense to have it. That, and they wouldn't want to continuously piss their customers off by lowering the price systematically all the time.
my thinking is, the price drops come either from the manufacturer, (eg. when they release a new generation of devices), or the telcos (eg. gradually every 3 or 6 months as the model is supplanted by competing products).
since this is not being offered through the phone companies, but only direct from Google and a few retailers, the price shouldn't change until they become superseded by Google's next gen models (probably 12 months from now). the exception is if consumer interest is so low they're forced to slash their margin to move stock.
Anyone know if I can get TRS from Google if I buy nexus 7 and nexus 4 in 1 transaction?
The price on the play market includes GST (for Australia).
Preferably keep the receipt under 1k, over 1k you will need your name and address on the receipt.
Great news, but how is this a bargain guys? Shouldn't this be in the Forums?
We get this sort of confusion from time to time. It's really up to the MODs and the members to decide. No consistency here.
Gotcha. Thanks :-)
It will sell out quick at these prices, purchase now or you'll miss out.
this isnt limited edition vinyl.
it won't run out because another nexus 7 32GB will probably become today's 16gb price in 6 months. I suspect that's how google price their products.
Have any of the retail stores started using the new pricing yet?
I want to pick up another one
Anyone know what the performance of the 10" tablet is like? Esp. the GPU.
It seems from previous attempts to reach high res, e.g. ACER Iconia A700 (http://reviews.cnet.com/tablets/acer-iconia-tab-a700/4505-31…) that at Tegra 3 is not enough.
I did the maths on the benchmarks that are around, and I think this might end up faster on average than the Nexus 7 - even taking into account the greater number of pixels to push around.
Mali GPUs have always been much better on fill rate than the Tegra 3, but relatively not so hot on the triangle rate. As it is, that's exactly the type of combo you want for an ultra high res screen. Given the speed increase of the Mali-T 604 over the Mali 400 - I don't think you'll have any problems.
iSheep don't know what they are missing out on. A truly beautiful yet powerful phone half the price of the iPhone 5. Amazing Google.
Oh dear.
Stop being so homophobic
I think it's "Lambophobic"
The iSheep are enjoying 4 times the storage space.
The iSheep are enjoying 4 times the storage space.
For $1000, that's some expensive storage space.
at ~$600 more than the 16GB Nexus4 for the 64GB iPhone5, you would be paying $12.50/GB for that extra space! with prices of fast flash memory at ~$1.28/GB, there's a hungry market waiting for after sales phone mods!
Droidfans are just as annoyed as iSheep aren't they?! I see this sort of comments million times on everywhere. People with bias mind always think they have got a brilliant point and the rest has to follow otherwise they get flame. Yet, we have freedom of speech so just stick with what you think and say it.
cant agree less.
all these reasons you put up are simply bs.