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[WA] Tesla Model Y RWD (2024) Existing Inventory: $51,100 Delivered + On-Road Costs @Tesla

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[WA] Tesla Model Y RWD (2024) Existing Inventory: $51,100 Delivered + On-Road Costs @Tesla

LInPerth on 28/02/2025 - 01:10 tesla.com (6105 clicks)
Last edited 01/03/2025 - 06:47 by 2 other users

This looks like an inventory clearance price for Model Y MY2024 manufactured around August to September 2024.

It's $2,000 further cheaper than previous $53,300 inventory discount price from initial inventory sale https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/888355.

Stock only available in WA and there is $350 discount if you use a referral link.

Besides, WA ZEV Rebate for $3,500 (apply separately after you get a qualified vehicle) available until 10th of May 2025. It is like refund stamp duty for the EV registration.

Save further if you can get novated lease on it as it does not attract any FBT.

The $51,100 model sold out in half a day as per comment from whom visited the store.

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- - - - mooney on 01/03/2025 - 12:27
        
        +1
        
        @EitherWayUp: Who can say for sure. I’d expect with Musk it’s nothing more complicated than for money, power, fame, boredom. I really don’t think he’s an ideologist like Russell Vought.
        
        Could also be that there’s some serious kompromat on Musk. He’s very impulsive so could easily have gotten himself into a mess.
        
        alUK234 on 31/03/2025 - 21:40
        
        @EitherWayUp: Isnt it because he was brought up in Apartheid South Africa and so has an element of believing that white people are a master race?
        
        I am that would fit the salute, supporting AfD in Germany and also Tommy Robinson in the UK. Can someone describe anything more convincing? Why is his so called trolling always with a common theme?
        
        1st-Amendment on 28/02/2025 - 11:17
        
        -3
        
        @TheDukeOfNukem:
        
        I'd have thought everyone would oppose pulling a (profanity) sieg heil on stage with the president
        
        Only if you buy into the narrative and are looking for an excuse to get upset about something you've already decided you don't like.
        
        to know that bringing back nazism is a bad thing
        
        Sure, but wake me up when that happens outside of the Left's cartoon view of the world and the 'everyone I disagree with is Hitler' routine. Because that has been done to death recently.
        Out of interested what is the definition of 'Nazism' that you think applies here? Let's see how well this idea stacks up to reality.
        
        trapper on 28/02/2025 - 12:00
        
        -3
        
        @1st-Amendment:
        
        Left's cartoon view of the world
        
        This is bang on. Elon a Nazi?? It's ridiculous and no honest person actually believes this.
        
        So wacky to read these comments.
        
        W-W on 28/02/2025 - 15:31
        
        +6
        
        @trapper: He was effectively campaigning for the neo nazi party in Germany. His grandparents were members of the nazi party in Canada. He platforms anti-semites. He did a sieg heil better than hitler himself, and he did not apologise about it. If he did the same sieg heil while in Germany he would be arrested.
        
        So the question is: what does a person have to do to act like they're a nazi in your view? Literally be a member of the nazi party in Germany in the 30s and 40s? Wear a nazi uniform? Literally say they're a nazi like whackjob Ye did? Do you think Germany would need all of this to prosecute a person for doing a sieg heil?
        
        This gaslighting sh-t is pathetic. You're obviously a nazi sympathiser (at the very least), so why don't you just admit that it's fine to do the sieg heil? I'm sick of you cowards always opting to gaslight everyone else to protect yourselves from having to admit this sh-t. It reminds me of those neo nazi losers I see on the news; you know, the guys whose faces you cannot see because they're too chicken sh-t to be "real men" and show their faces. Pathetic.
        
        Edit: formatting
        
        trapper on 28/02/2025 - 15:50
        
        @W-W: You're delusional mate. Where does this madness come from?
        
        1st-Amendment on 28/02/2025 - 15:55
        
        +1
        
        @W-W:
        
        He was effectively campaigning for the neo nazi party in Germany.
        
        Where 'conservative' now means 'neo-nazi' according the unhinged left wing and their media sycophants.
        
        Stay angry, the algorithm appreciates it!
        
        dealsucker on 31/03/2025 - 09:21
        
        @W-W: oh wow a neo nazi party? Please point me to their specific policies which are “neo nazi”. FFS, their leader is a lesbian married to a sri lankan woman.
        
        Keep doing that and I am sure Dutton will be elected here as well. This lunacy has gone too far and the world needs a reset
        
        TheDukeOfNukem on 28/02/2025 - 19:58
        
        +1
        
        @1st-Amendment: I only have two seconds and am on the phone,
        
        But dude, common sense.
        
        Point 1: something I already decided I don't like? We ALL used to not like nazis.
        
        Point 2: what are you talking about? There's been like 3 or 4 higher up politicians in America who've done the sieg heil since Elon did it. I don't know how much more of a nazi you can be than doing their little hail hydra schtick.
        
        …
        
        Like, enjoy either being so far up a billionaire's arse that you can excuse them being A LITERAL (profanity) NAZI (just like his parents, maybe Google them), or enjoy being so stupid that you don't think someone doing A (profanity) SIEG HEIL ON A PODIUM counts as siding with nazi ideals
        
        trapper on 28/02/2025 - 20:17
        
        @TheDukeOfNukem:
        
        But dude, common sense.
        
        You’re calling Elon Musk a Nazi while preaching ‘common sense’? Mate, take a moment to self reflect.
        
        TheDukeOfNukem on 28/02/2025 - 23:51
        
        +1
        
        @trapper: HE DID A (profanity) SIEG HIEL, ARE YOU BLIND OR TROLLING AT THIS POINT
        
        trapper on 01/03/2025 - 13:09
        
        -2
        
        @TheDukeOfNukem: He said, "My heart goes out to you," placing his hand on his chest and reaching out toward the crowd.
        
        Clown world interprets this as a Nazi salute… so now Elon’s a "Nazi," the world’s first accidental Nazi, lol.
        
        You’re a dishonest person.
        
        TheDukeOfNukem on 01/03/2025 - 14:42
        
        @trapper: It wasn't an accident…
        
        1st-Amendment on 01/03/2025 - 13:25
        
        +1
        
        @TheDukeOfNukem:
        
        We ALL used to not like nazis.
        
        We still don't all like Nazis, although the closest we've actually come to Nazi's is during Covid when a lot of people seemed to embrace that behaviour.
        
        The problem you seem to be struggling with is that just because you label someone something, doesn't automatically make them that thing. This is the principle of justice that modern Western Civilisation is built on. The Left really needs to learn how that works.
        
        Did it occur to you that perhaps it's just a simple case of you being baited by the rage algorithm?
        
        https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/everyone-is-a-n…
        
        TheDukeOfNukem on 01/03/2025 - 14:42
        
        +2
        
        @1st-Amendment: Did it occur to you that perhaps since many parts of the civilized world, including our very own little corner, felt the need to ban doing a sieg heil in public, that maybe, perhaps just maybe, someone on stage with the president shouldn't be doing them?
        
        Or did it occur to you that perhaps since he did that on stage with the president, that just maybe, it's a simple case of "the son of Nazi parents doing a Nazi gestureTM on stage with a political leader, might actually be a Nazi"?
        
        I can't take the bait anymore man, like, you've either never Googled this man, or you're trolling. There is just too much against him to, as some people try to sweep it under the rug with, "he's just autistic, he's weird, he does dumb shit" like he KNOWS what that symbol means and so do you and he did it anyway. He's either the world's dumbest edge lord (which, to be fair, is possible) or he KNOWS exactly what he did because he (profanity) supports that shit. I'm out man. If you can't see it, I won't be able to make you.
        
        1st-Amendment on 01/03/2025 - 14:59
        
        @TheDukeOfNukem:
        
        Did it occur to you that perhaps since many parts of the civilized world, including our very own little corner, felt the need to ban
        
        I find the limiting on freedom of expression to be very uncivilised. That is what they do in North Korea and China, and how is that working out?
        
        Put it this way, If our hate speech were tightened so that you weren't allowed to criticise Elon Musk or Donald Trump would you think that improve our society or worsen it?
        
        a sieg heil in public
        
        Still waiting for that video of an actual WW2 Nazi so we can compare. It's actually comedy that for all the hundreds angry claims in this thread alone not a single person can produce a single piece of evidence from an actual Nazi. Doesn't something inside of you think hey, why is there ZERO evidence to support this outrageous claim? The only thing we keep getting is cosplay versions on Tiktok and Reddit, almost like it has been constructed that way to make people angry…
        
        Do you value evidence, or is 'trust me bro' your standard for justice?
        
        If you can't see it, I won't be able to make you.
        
        And now you know why the First Amendment exists. Different people will always have different opinions, and if one side were able to suppress the other then tyranny would ensue. This works both ways.
        
        Try not you let click-bait get you upset. It's all designed to make you angry to keep you engaged, and it sounds like they've got you hooked.
        
        TheDukeOfNukem on 01/03/2025 - 15:07
        
        +2
        
        @1st-Amendment:
        
        I find the limiting on freedom of expression to be very uncivilised. That is what they do in North Korea and China, and how is that working out?
        Put it this way, If our hate speech were tightened so that you weren't allowed to criticise Elon Musk or Donald Trump would you think that improve our society or worsen it?
        
        Can't be too bad since your boy Trump is cozying up with the North Koreans.
        
        You can say whatever you want, in the same way anyone can say what they want back. If someone does a sieg heil (because he did ) then we can (and should) hold him accountable. But in terms of censorship, since that's where y'all always take it, ol' mate Elon has been doing a TONNE of it since he bought Twitter. How do you feel about that ?
        
        Still waiting for that video of an actual WW2 Nazi so we can compare. It's actually comedy that for all the hundreds angry claims in this thread alone not a single person can produce a single piece of evidence from an actual Nazi. Doesn't something inside of you think hey, why is there ZERO evidence to support this outrageous claim? The only thing we keep getting is cosplay versions on Tiktok and Reddit, almost like it has been constructed that way to make people angry…
        Do you value evidence, or is 'trust me bro' your standard for justice?
        
        Google one mate, it's not hard to look. Why don't you (since you were talking to someone else clearly asking for a video) show me what a sieg heil looks like, let's go and see if Elon looks nothing at all like that
        
        Do you value evidence? Because Elon's out there banning and erasing Twitter accounts he disagrees with left right and centre, just as the White House won't allow countless publications to run certain things anymore, it's almost like they're both on an active campaign to block people from seeing evidence.
        
        And now you know why the First Amendment exists. Different people will always have different opinions, and if one side were able to suppress the other then tyranny would ensue. This works both ways.
        Try not you let click-bait get you upset. It's all designed to make you angry to keep you engaged, and it sounds like they've got you hooked.
        
        A. We are not in America.
        B. No shit, do you not get that WHEN THE WHITE HOUSE STOPS JOURNALISTS FROM DOING THEIR JOB, THAT IS SUPPRESSION?
        C. No shit [2], do you not get that WHEN AN INDIVIDUAL BUYS ONE OF THE BIGGEST SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS ON THE PLANET AND BANS COUNTLESS PEOPLE FOR POSTING THINGS HE DOESN'T LIKE, THAT IS SUPRESSION?
        
        I've never click baited shit, I don't look at any of this stuff, I actively avoid politics like the plague, I couldn't care less about all the (profanity) in office 9 times out of 10, my problem is morons being on OzBargain SUPPORTING A (profanity) NAZI BECAUSE YES HE IS, IF YOU DO A SIEG HIEL, IF YOU SIDE WITH THE GERMAN POPULISTS, IF YOU ARE ONLY A GENERATION REMOVED FROM ACTUAL OLD SCHOOL NAZIS, YOU AAAAA RRRR EEEEE A NAZI
        
        1st-Amendment on 01/03/2025 - 15:23
        
        @TheDukeOfNukem:
        
        Google one mate, it's not hard to look.
        
        So easy that the 100 people in this thread claiming it including yourself can't do it.
        So the record still stands that zero evidence of an actual WW2 Nazi doing a 'sieg heil' salute has been provided.
        
        You:
        
        Did it occur to you that perhaps since many parts of the civilized world…
        
        Also You:
        
        We are not in America.
        
        Pick a lane.
        
        my problem is morons being on OzBargain SUPPORTING A (profanity) NAZI BECAUSE YES HE IS, IF YOU DO A SIEG HIEL, IF YOU SIDE WITH THE GERMAN POPULISTS, IF YOU ARE ONLY A GENERATION REMOVED FROM ACTUAL OLD SCHOOL NAZIS, YOU AAAAA RRRR EEEEE A NAZI
        
        How is yelling at the cloud working out for you?
        https://memepediadankmemes.fandom.com/wiki/Old_Man_Yells_at_…
        
        Stay angry, the algorithm appreciates it!
        
        youfnc on 01/03/2025 - 16:41
        
        +3
        
        @TheDukeOfNukem: I believe he's beyond help
        
        As you mentioned, we all witnessed it, live in 4K.
        
        No doubt, his 77th comment on this post will be filled with more gaslighting and snark.
        
        1st-Amendment on 01/03/2025 - 17:37
        
        -1
        
        @youfnc: From your own quote:
        
        "we tend to reject any evidence"
        
        All I did is ask for evidence of a genuine WW2 Nazi salute so I may compare. Imagine how lame your argument is that you continually make excuses for not providing any evidence to support your claim. 'Trust me bro' is not evidence is case you're unsure of how that works.
        
        his 77th comment
        
        77th reply. Meaning 77 times the accusers failed to providing the evidence our good friend Carl Sagan is speaking of.
        
        Imagine posting a quote thinking you were clever for it only to blow up in your face. That would be really embarrassing..
        
        TheDukeOfNukem on 02/03/2025 - 15:57
        
        +2
        
        @youfnc: It's actually disturbing how loud and proud these deranged people are. Mans straight up said communism is worse than nazism with a straight face. Wants proof, never provides any. Accuses of sidestepping, never responds to anything against their narrative. Gets told 1 plus 1 is 2, and swears on his mother it's 3.
        
        I can't even be arsed reading anymore let alone replying to him. Thank (profanity) based on the comments and votes he's still in the vocal minority because the day that sort of stupid, stupid, stupid stuuuupid "thinking" takes off is the day we're done.
        
        youfnc on 03/03/2025 - 00:28
        
        +1
        
        @TheDukeOfNukem: Preach, brother. It's just deflect, attack and gaslight. The script never changes
        
        1st-Amendment on 04/03/2025 - 14:42
        
        +1
        
        @youfnc:
        
        It's just deflect,
        
        Give me an example of this 'deflection'? I came here asking for evidence of a WW2 Nazi salute, and I'm still doing that 80+ posts later. The deflecting from the Elon haters is off the charts on this.
        
        attack
        
        Go count the number of personal attack posts in this thread on me that have been removed (at last 4 at least count) versus any I have done (ie zero). Ther eis literally on in the post you replied to.
        
        So again you're just making stuff up with zero evidence.
        
        and gaslight.
        
        You know that the word gaslight doesn't mean 'says things I disagree with'?
        
        The script never changes
        
        It's not a script it's logic. And that never changes because it works every time. It's Kryptonite for Lefties because their arguments are always devoid of any robust logic just like you and old mate here. eg:
        
        'Elon is a Nazi!'.
        Could you provide some evidence to support that?
        'REEEeeeeee!!!! Stop gaslighting me!!!!'
        
        For someone who posted Carl Sagan, you obviously have no idea who he is. He wrote a very good book about precisely what you are doing here called 'Demon Haunted World'. It's pretty much explains your entire schtick of vague hand wavy claims with zero evidence to support them. I suggest you read it, learn what logic and reason is, then come back. I'll give you a TL;DR version here: For a conclusion to be logically sound, a claim must be supported by evidence.
        
        youfnc on 04/03/2025 - 14:44
        
        @1st-Amendment: You should calm down.
        
        1st-Amendment on 04/03/2025 - 15:19
        
        +1
        
        @youfnc:
        
        You should calm down.
        
        I'm calm. Generally it's the emotionally unstable people are the ones who shift from arguing the subject to targeting the person. you know, exactly like you just did here. It's what is know as deflection 😁
        
        youfnc on 04/03/2025 - 15:27
        
        @1st-Amendment: Lol the claws are out.
        
        1st-Amendment on 04/03/2025 - 15:33
        
        +1
        
        @youfnc:
        
        Lol the claws are out.
        
        We got it. You don't have to keep proving my point.
        
        1st-Amendment on 04/03/2025 - 14:21
        
        @TheDukeOfNukem:
        
        Wants proof, never provides any.
        
        I just noticed that instead of replying to me, you replied to someone else about me. And you call me stupid…
        
        And I didn't ask for proof, I asked for evidence, they are different things in case you're not sure. I'm not the one making the claim, and if you paid attention in high school you could know the at the burden of proof is on the claimant not the person questioning the claim. And you think I'm the stupid one for not understanding the basics here?
        
        based on the comments and votes he's still in the vocal minority
        
        I take it you haven't paid attention to the most recent election results? Hint: they aren't taken from emotionally fragile OZBargainers who think that negging post mean anything at all. Better get your tissues ready, you're in for a bitter does of reality.
        
        because the day that sort of stupid, stupid, stupid stuuuupid "thinking"
        
        Asking for evidence of a claim, to you this is stupid thinking? The principle of all logic, science, and justice is stupid thinking? This explains a lot.
        
        There is a common stereotype the Left are unable to grasp the basics of logic, you are living up to that stereotype. Well done.
        
        1st-Amendment on 01/03/2025 - 17:31
        
        -1
        
        @TheDukeOfNukem:
        
        one of the most stupid people
        
        'I'm right and your stupid'. This is what passes for an intelligent argument where you live? That is interesting….
        
        The record stands that you can't find anything proving he isn't doing…
        
        More intelligent stuff here. Perhaps familiarise your self with this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)
        
        I don't even know what you mean
        
        Is it because you're too intelligent? Would you like stupid ole me to dumb it down so your big brain can understand it?
        
        You like to think we're all pissed off at everything
        
        You're the one yelling at the cloud… How is that working out for you?
        
        Almost like you don't want to deal with that stuff because it goes against your narrative
        
        You mean like how you can't provide a single shred of evidence to support your claim? Because it goes against your narrative?
        
        I know you guys love that N word
        
        What an odd thing to say. Here have some more straws to grasp, maybe you could throw them at the cloud you are yelling at…
        
        TheDukeOfNukem on 01/03/2025 - 18:47
        
        @1st-Amendment: I wasn't gonna reply, and I didn't even read all of it lol I'm on a train,
        
        But when you can't even get the right "you're" at the start it definitely doesn't make you look smarter …
        
        1st-Amendment on 02/03/2025 - 12:16
        
        @TheDukeOfNukem:
        
        I wasn't gonna reply,
        
        Man yells at cloud. Man also replies to comment saying how he's not going to reply… The comedy show rolls on…
        
        and I didn't even read all of it
        
        Of course not, because you're too smart to read. Only stupid people actually read things before replying to them don't you know…
        
        at the start it definitely doesn't make you look smarter …
        
        You're the one claiming to be the smart one. How about demonstrating it at some point? Or is claiming to be smart all that is required in your big head? I'm sure that's how Einstein did it. He'd get in front of the room and say 'now look everybody you're all stupid and I'm smart so I'm right!' True genius right there lol…
        
        Note for the record: Yet another post avoiding any evidence of an actual WW2 Nazi salute. Castles made of sand drift into the sea…
        
        dealsucker on 31/03/2025 - 09:32
        
        @1st-Amendment: Dude leave it. There is a reason why they are called lunatics. Most of the west is turning left because of rabid left lunatics like these and they can’t even see that because anytime anything happens which they dont like, its racist, bigoted, against lgbtq and now the latest Nazism. And when there are consequences for their actions, like there would be in US aka domestic terrorism, these eternal victims will then cry how they are being ostracised by the system and the right wing. Idiots - they should never have been allowed to burn down whole cities and loot everything during BLM. Thats when the lunacy really started.
        
        Naigrabzo on 28/02/2025 - 13:16
        
        +1
        
        @TheDukeOfNukem: LOL nothing has happened to him though. He is DOGEing it up as we speak. One can key all the teslas you want but he seems to just go on.
      - beefsandwich on 28/02/2025 - 09:37
        
        +8
        
        @Purp:
        
        What a cult
        
        Says the guy with an overly masculinised AI generated picture of Trump as his profile pic.
    - dealhunter52 on 28/02/2025 - 10:04
      
      +2
      
      You could have got those popcorns for free if you shorted Tesla. I shorted on $378 and closed order on $300, but now they are at $280.
      
      Tesla is still hugely over valued at ~ 130x P/E ratio. For comparison - Technology companies like Apple, Microsoft, Google etc are valued at ~ 30x P/E while car companies like Toyota, VW etc are valued at ~ 10x P/E.
  - dealhunter52 on 28/02/2025 - 10:25
    
    +3
    
    Worse than the made up assumption about the CEO of the company.
    
    Which part did you miss, Sieg Heil salute on Trump's inauguration or his address to the German far right AfD party?
    - 1st-Amendment on 28/02/2025 - 11:23
      
      -3
      
      Sieg Heil salute on Trump's inauguration
      
      Have you ever seen footage of an actual German soldier perform a salute during WW2? Or did you just watch the Tiktok cosplay version and immediately buy into the rage algorithm presented to you?
      
      or his address to the German far right AfD party?
      
      So people aren't allowed to support right wing causes, only left wing causes? You realise that this is the exact type of Fascism you are trying to tell us is bad yeah?
      - dealhunter52 on 28/02/2025 - 11:27
        
        -1
        
        @1st-Amendment: Musk is a CCP owned stooge. All the countries/parties he support are aligned with Russia/China.
        
        1st-Amendment on 28/02/2025 - 11:36
        
        -2
        
        @dealhunter52: You didn't answer my questions.
        
        All the countries/parties he support are aligned with Russia/China.
        
        You need to pick a lane here. If you knew anything about the actual Nazis, their primary enemy was the Communists.
        This is what happens when you get your education from Tiktok…
        
        dealhunter52 on 28/02/2025 - 11:38
        
        +2
        
        @1st-Amendment: If something walk like a duck and quack like a duck….then it is a f&$king duck.
        
        He could have got benefit of doubt if he didn't address a Nazi German party straight after that Nazi salute.
        
        1st-Amendment on 28/02/2025 - 11:42
        
        -4
        
        @dealhunter52: I see you still failed to answer any of my questions.
        
        if he didn't address a Nazi German party
        
        How does it feel to be a meme?
        https://imgflip.com/i/74eq6i
        
        dealhunter52 on 28/02/2025 - 11:44
        
        @1st-Amendment: Doesn't feel as bad as a brainwashed billionaire supporting muppet.
        
        1st-Amendment on 28/02/2025 - 11:47
        
        -4
        
        @dealhunter52:
        
        Doesn't feel as bad as a brainwashed billionaire supporting muppet.
        
        Which part of anything I said to you think is brainwashing? All I did was ask you some questions which you couldn't answer.
        Because this is the best disinfectant for brainwashing, ask some questions and see how your answers stack up to reality. So far you are failing miserably.
        
        crentist on 28/02/2025 - 11:45
        
        @1st-Amendment: How does it feel to be an emoji 🙈🙉🐒💩
        
        1st-Amendment on 28/02/2025 - 11:49
        
        +2
        
        @crentist:
        
        How does it feel to be an emoji
        
        It's satisfying knowing that you are unable to answer a few simple questions that test your ideology. That speaks volumes.
        
        BigBirdy on 28/02/2025 - 14:48
        
        +2
        
        @1st-Amendment:
        
        If you knew anything about the actual Nazis, their primary enemy was the Communists.
        
        This is what happens when you get your education from right-wing media intent on laundering Nazis as ‘good people’.
        
        1st-Amendment on 28/02/2025 - 16:01
        
        +2
        
        @BigBirdy:
        
        This is what happens when you get your education from right-wing media
        
        I don't watch any media, that's what I'm not foaming at the mouth like a rabid dog. Someone sent me a video about it my first thought was that's a bit awkward but Elon has always been a awkward guy, then I checked that Poland hadn't been invaded and moved on.
        
        Put it this way, let's assume the worst and that Elon Musk is in fact the reincarnation of Hitler. What is the plan here? He builds some EVs and some rockets, saves the US taxpayers some money, then what? What is the end goal that you are all so frightened of?
        
        trapper on 28/02/2025 - 12:01
        
        +1
        
        @dealhunter52: He's a commie AND a Nazi? lol
        
        dealhunter52 on 28/02/2025 - 12:05
        
        +1
        
        @trapper: Read your history.
        
        Hitler and Stalin were in alliance during WW2 (1939 - 1941). Nazism and communism are equally bad.
        
        trapper on 28/02/2025 - 12:14
        
        @dealhunter52: I agree they are equally bad, well communism probably worse, but both terrible.
        
        It’s absurd to label someone as embodying both though, given how fundamentally they clash.
        
        Elon is neither though obviously.
        
        dealhunter52 on 28/02/2025 - 12:21
        
        +1
        
        @trapper: I never said he's Commie, he is obviously a Nazi. I said he's controlled by CCP, which doesn't make him a Commie.
        
        1st-Amendment on 28/02/2025 - 12:26
        
        @dealhunter52:
        
        I said he's controlled by CCP, which doesn't make him a Commie.
        
        I score that back flip a perfect 10!
        
        Out of interest what do you think the second C stands for in CCP?
        
        dealhunter52 on 28/02/2025 - 12:28
        
        +1
        
        @1st-Amendment: So you become Commie by association? I guess Hitler was also a Commie then.
        
        Sort of mental gymnastics you're coming up is highly commendable. My heart goes out to you.
        
        1st-Amendment on 28/02/2025 - 12:44
        
        -1
        
        @dealhunter52:
        
        So you become Commie by association?
        
        If you are 'controlled by it' then yes. That's what those words mean
        
        I guess Hitler was also a Commie then.
        
        At no point was Hitler ever controlled by the CCCP. He literally wrote how they were his enemy, but they don't teach you that on Tiktok do they?
        Feel free to post evidence that says otherwise if you disagree…
        
        Sort of mental gymnastics
        
        You're the guy claiming that Elon is controlled by communists but isn't communist. BTW how are you going with provided evidence of this ludicrous claim?
        
        TheDukeOfNukem on 01/03/2025 - 14:44
        
        @trapper: Brother, you think communism is worse than nazism?
        
        How the (profanity) in the good year of 2025 have we got to the point where someone can just go out and say that in public. Jesus, the leftie losers were right, you idiots should just be smacked instead of heard out.
        
        trapper on 02/03/2025 - 17:50
        
        -1
        
        @TheDukeOfNukem:
        
        Brother, you think communism is worse than nazism?
        
        Communism spread across multiple nations, leaving 100 million dead in its wake, and despite this its ideology remains popular and poses an ongoing threat today.
        
        So yeah, I think it’s worse. That said, both are terrible, as I’ve pointed out.
        
        1st-Amendment on 04/03/2025 - 14:49
        
        -1
        
        @TheDukeOfNukem:
        
        Brother, you think communism is worse than nazism?
        
        Just saw this comment, if by 'worse' you mean 'responsible for more death' then yes, and it' pretty easy to check this
        
        How the (profanity) in the good year of 2025 have we got to the point where someone can just go out and say that in public.
        
        It's called education. Allow me to demonstrate this claim with evidence so you may learn how the claim/evidence paradigm works:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_…
        https://www.hudson.org/national-security-defense/100-years-o…
        
        Hitler could only dream of those sort of figures… so the conclusion that Communism is 'worse' than Nazism is verifiable true. Sounds like you may have just learned something new.
        
        1st-Amendment on 28/02/2025 - 12:18
        
        @dealhunter52:
        
        Read your history.
        
        You mean like his own book that he wrote where he said how much he hates Communism and how his mission was (and I'm quoting here) "the destruction of Marxism in all its shapes and forms"?
        Or the biggest war humanity has ever seen that he initiated specifically to destroy the Communists?
        
        Read your history indeed…
        
        Hitler and Stalin were in alliance during WW2 (1939 - 1941)
        
        This is strategy is covered in Sun Tzu's Art of War.
        
        Nazism and communism are equally bad.
        
        True, but you need to take you own advice and read up the difference. Two things can be different and both bad for different reasons.
        
        dealhunter52 on 28/02/2025 - 12:31
        
        @1st-Amendment: And yet he signed the "The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact" with Stalin, AKA Hitler–Stalin Pact and the Nazi–Soviet Pact.
        
        1st-Amendment on 28/02/2025 - 12:39
        
        @dealhunter52:
        
        And yet he signed the "The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact" with Stalin, AKA Hitler–Stalin Pact and the Nazi–Soviet Pact.
        
        I already answered this. But I'll repeat it again, this strategy is covered in Sun Tzu's Art of War:
        
        "All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near."
        
        If you 'read your history', you would know that both Stalin and Hitler knew the alliance was strategic and would eventually be broken because Hitler's goal was always to defeat the Soviet Union. The pact was merely for each party to buy time to prepare for the main event. All warfare is based on deception…
        
        dealhunter52 on 28/02/2025 - 12:44
        
        -2
        
        @1st-Amendment: So does that prove my original point that Musk is a Nazi not a Commie?
        
        Because that was my whole purpose of this exercise.
        
        1st-Amendment on 28/02/2025 - 12:48
        
        -1
        
        @dealhunter52:
        
        So does that prove my original point
        
        No. This comment tells me that you obviously have no idea what a proof is, which serendipitously proves my original point.
        
        dealhunter52 on 28/02/2025 - 12:53
        
        -1
        
        @1st-Amendment: It's really hard to argue with brainwashed sheep. You can keep on believing that billionaire oligarchs are somehow your saviors and poor people are your enemy. Your allies are your enemies and your enemies are your true friends or whatever new BS they will come up next day. I hope you bought their memecoins too.
        
        1st-Amendment on 28/02/2025 - 13:11
        
        @dealhunter52:
        
        It's really hard to argue with brainwashed sheep
        
        That is true, but the part you are missing is to ask yourself if you are one of them?
        
        You keep on believing that…
        
        Show me where I said that. You see this is one of the tests for brainwashing, where is the evidence? If you can't present any than there's a good chance it's you that have been brainwashed.
        
        So this test will score itself.
        
        dealhunter52 on 28/02/2025 - 13:35
        
        -4
        
        @1st-Amendment: You proved that you're brainwashed with your first response and you have been doing mental gymnastic since to prove you're not. Nothing left there to prove.
        
        Or did you just watch the Tiktok cosplay version and immediately buy into the rage algorithm presented to you?
        
        For the record, I don't have Tiktok account and I don't use social media for my news, especially the one controlled by the Nazi billionaire and a proven liar, who shadow bans his critics, rigs the algorithms to hide posts critical of him, all the while pretending to be free speech absolutist.
        
        I can only offer to sympathise with your condition. Hope you get better and good luck.
        
        1st-Amendment on 28/02/2025 - 14:51
        
        @dealhunter52:
        
        You proved that you're brainwashed with your first response
        
        The post you linked to was me asking you a couple of questions. Brainwashing is when you run away from questioning your own position, exactly like you just did here.
        
        Looks like the test results are in…
        
        Karfaffel on 28/02/2025 - 13:51
        
        +2
        
        @dealhunter52: I admire your patience in debating with 1st-Amendment, but would suggest it's just a waste of time. He's only here to argue with people because he enjoys it. He thinks himself an intellectually superior debater when really he is just a mass-debater.
        
        I'm reminded once again… Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
        
        1st-Amendment on 28/02/2025 - 14:54
        
        @Karfaffel:
        
        He thinks himself
        
        Tell us how triggered you are by things you are incapable of arguing against…
        
        crentist on 28/02/2025 - 17:09
        
        +2
        
        @1st-Amendment:
        
        It's satisfying knowing that you are unable to answer a few simple questions that test your ideology
        
        You had an answer. If it walks and quacks like a duck etc
        It's not a test of ideology to consider whether this duck-looking and duck-sounding animal could be loosely termed a duck, despite having unusual red feathers.
        But it's pretty ideological to get hung up on narrowly defining the label, and dismiss all the waddling and quacking, in order to say that red feathers mean it is definitely nothing resembling a duck.
        
        And by fixating on whether you've received specific answers about the red feathers, it highlights that you don't view your questions as rhetoric to make an argument, but as the actual substance of your argument, and how hollow that is.
        You aren't refuting all the waddling and quacking and duck(-like) poo, or making a case for why the red feathers mean something else, or even why they are important. Instead, you are pointing out something people deem irrelevant and waiting for them argue with themselves about it, and feeling clever if they decline to do so.
        
        Case in point…
        
        Have you ever seen footage of an actual German soldier perform a salute during WW2? Or did you just watch the Tiktok cosplay version and immediately buy into the rage algorithm presented to you?
        
        We all know what a Nazi salute looks like, and you're here getting pedantic over form 😂
        
        1st-Amendment on 28/02/2025 - 17:25
        
        -1
        
        @crentist:
        
        You had an answer. If it walks and quacks like a duck etc
        
        You seem to have confused threads. I asked YOU that question because all you offered was emojis
        
        We
        
        You mean YOU and people who think just like you.
        This is the part the lefties always struggle with. For the party of 'diversity' they never seem to want to hear anyone else's opinion on anything if it doesn't conform with their own.
        
        all know what a Nazi salute looks like
        
        Yep, I've watched plenty of WW2 docos with actual Nazis and even Hitler himself on video doing salutes and never saw one that looked like that. If you've seen one that compares could you send me a link?
        I did see some cosplay Hollywood versions on Tiktok and Reddit though as the rage algorithm went to work. I'm not sure cosplay counts though…
        
        I've also read up about the history of military salutes and how the Nazis copied their salute of the Italian Fascist Party, who copied theirs from the Romans. So maybe Elon is secretly a Neo-Roman who is seeking to initiate a 4th Punic war to destroy Carthage once again?
        
        This is equally crazy as the Nazi theory. Under you theory when does Elon invade Poland? What do you think the master-plan is for this supposed 4th Reich?
        
        you're here getting pedantic over form
        
        As someone who had family tortured by real Nazis, I prefer if you're a little more careful about loosely throwing around slurs that desecrate the memories of millions of people who died a the hands of the real Nazis. Every time you do this you cheapen the horror that was inflicted on all of them.
        
        crentist on 28/02/2025 - 19:28
        
        +3
        
        @1st-Amendment: There you go again. We, you, not me, lefties, nazis, Italian fascists, Romans, neo Romans, yada yada.
        And you've studied your salutes well. How wrong of anyone else to suggest that a salute may bear symbolism, without the correct form.
        
        It's sad that you are so fixated on defining the world through strictly defined labels.
        How do you interpret new or nuanced information? How do you assess individuals based on their unique characteristics? I mean, you're clearly not adept at it. What if someone deviates from your assumptions of them???
        And for someone so pedantic over the historical accuracy of labelling modern day authoritarianism, you are pretty quick to label me whatever suits you as an enemy to make assumptions and get angry about. Me, left-wing, with my pink hair and mismatched genitals. Grrr.
        
        I honestly cant tell if you asked the Poland question is hyperbole, as one vague twinge of recognition of the consequences of taking labels way too literally, while devoid of any self awareness.
        Or maybe you meant it, I won't assume.
        
        Which again, is fixation on minute details in ignorance of the rich tapestry of economic and administrative vandalism taking place in the white house.
        Call it Nazi, call it fascism, call it what you will.
        
        You seem to have confused threads. I asked YOU that question because all you offered was emojis
        
        No you didn't. I responded to your labelling someone else via meme with emojis just as dumb, and you responded with a statement celebrating my non-answer to a dumb question I wasn't asked, as an intellectual victory.
        Perhaps you confused me for the other poster. Must be an easy mistake when we're all predefined labels with no individual form
        
        1st-Amendment on 28/02/2025 - 19:46
        
        -2
        
        @crentist:
        
        How wrong of anyone else to suggest that a salute may bear symbolism, without the correct form.
        
        So you agree it wasn't really a Nazi salute you just wanted it to be one badly that close enough was good enough?
        
        At least we sorted that out…
        
        crentist on 28/02/2025 - 20:23
        
        +1
        
        @1st-Amendment: That's your interpretation of those words? Whatever, I can believe that you don't understand sarcasm, but its more disappointing that you still think this would be a gotcha.
        
        Elon doesn't care that he has evoked the history and symbolism of the Nazi salute. Because he doesn't care, and because of the power he has, it is close enough.
        
        It doesn't mean it's the 1930s and Poland is in danger. But it does mean that in 2025 Elon is comfortable evoking Nazi symbolism, for his own purposes.
        
        1st-Amendment on 01/03/2025 - 13:38
        
        -1
        
        @crentist:
        
        that you still think
        
        You know what I'm thinking?
        
        That's a cool trick, what am I thinking right now?
        
        Elon doesn't care that he has evoked the history and symbolism of the Nazi salute
        
        Neither did Obama or Hillary when they 'evoked the history and symbolism of the Nazi salute':
        
        https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/everyone-is-a-n…
        
        So perhaps it's all just kayfabe BS created by an algorithm to keep weak minds engaged to their screens?
        
        But it does mean that in 2025 Elon is comfortable evoking Nazi symbolism, for his own purposes.
        
        Ok so let's assume you are 100% right, Elon is an actual Nazi, a literal reincarnation of Hitler, what is the fear here? What evil deeds do you think he will impose on the world if not invading Poland or gassing Jews? Is it more EV's? Oh the horror! Cheaper Rockets? More widespread fast internet? More efficient government?
        
        What do you think the end game is for supposed 'Hitler Elon'? When does the tyranny begin specifically?
        
        crentist on 01/03/2025 - 16:34
        
        +1
        
        @1st-Amendment:
        
        You know what I'm thinking?
        That's a cool trick, what am I thinking right now?
        
        So after all that effort demanding an answer, you even resorted to putting words in my mouth. But since the argument didn't land your counterpoint is that your own words don't count.
        Fascinating.
        
        1st-Amendment on 01/03/2025 - 17:11
        
        -1
        
        @crentist:
        
        So after all that effort demanding an answer
        
        Because yet again you keep avoiding it.. just like this post…
        
        You:
        
        you even resorted to putting words in my mouth
        
        Also You:
        
        YOU STILL THINK this would be a gotcha.
        
        You are telling me what I am thinking. You said it. Own it.
        
        your counterpoint is that
        
        And you just did it again.
        
        Instead of telling me what YOU think that I'M thinking, how about stop avoiding the questions I asked and try answering some of them?
        Are they that awkward that you choose deflecting over accepting the your argument is weak and cannot withstand a little scrutiny?
        
        crentist on 01/03/2025 - 18:08
        
        +2
        
        @1st-Amendment: As I said up top, you had an answer right from the beginning. I've just explained why that's enough, and also why the detail you demand is irrelevant.
        
        You can keep ignoring those responses, avoiding making a case of your own, studying your salute tapes, and repeating the same demands that don't hold up to scrutiny with words you don't actually mean. Have a blast.
        
        1st-Amendment on 02/03/2025 - 12:21
        
        -2
        
        @crentist:
        
        and also why the detail you demand is irrelevant.
        
        Lol, who needs pesky evidence when we have clouds to yell at!
        
        You can keep ignoring those responses
        
        Well I'll ignore the cheap excuses you keep making but I'll pay attention to any evidence you provide. But I think we're deep enough into this now to know you don't actually have any. As expected.
        
        crentist on 02/03/2025 - 18:26
        
        +1
        
        @1st-Amendment: https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Nazi+salute
        And
        https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Nazi+salute+elon
        
        They look the same to me. Because the hands go up the same way.
        
        There you go, that's as much evidence as you've provided.
        But I've also gone the extra mile and provided a conclusion and reasoning for the conclusion. Which is more than you have done to back up your vague disagreeance and requests for more information.
        
        1st-Amendment on 02/03/2025 - 18:43
        
        -1
        
        @crentist:
        
        They look the same to me
        
        What looks the same? You forgot to provide an actual link.
        
        And before you get upset, lmgtfy is blocked by script blockers, so rather than try to be clever, try just sending actual links to the actual websites that I can see.
        
        Also worth noting, Google tailors search results so what you see in a search differs from what I see, so send the actual URL to the actual videos, not just a google query.
        
        Which is more than you have done to back up your vague disagreeance and requests for more information.
        
        Well I'm glad you finally put in some effort to finally try and support your claim with evidence. This is the first step to constructing logical arguments. Now that you know how that works we hopefully won't have this problem in future.
        
        If you're interested in learning more about this powerful new technique here's a quick overview:
        https://courses.lumenlearning.com/englishcomp1/chapter/logic…
        
        TL;DR:
        An argument is a structured way of presenting reasoning to support a point of view. It consists of:
        Claim – The main assertion or opinion being argued.
        Premises – The EVIDENCE or reasoning that supports the claim.
        Conclusion – The final point being proven, logically derived from the premises.
        
        crentist on 02/03/2025 - 20:14
        
        +1
        
        @1st-Amendment: Cool, now you do it
        
        1st-Amendment on 02/03/2025 - 22:03
        
        -2
        
        @crentist:
        
        Cool, now you do it
        
        Go back and read the instructions above. You are still yet to provide evidence of YOUR claim.
        
        If you can't understand the most basic form of logic then the world will always be a confusing place for you.
        
        crentist on 03/03/2025 - 10:03
        
        +1
        
        @1st-Amendment: You knew about the controversy from the start, so you’re not just skeptical—you’re taking a stance. But acting vaguely unimpressed and making others do your homework isn’t an argument.
        
        1st-Amendment on 03/03/2025 - 12:31
        
        -1
        
        @crentist:
        
        so you’re not just skeptical—you’re taking a stance
        
        Yeah a stance of using logic over emotion… and logic REQUIRES scepticism until evidence is provided.
        
        making others do your homework
        
        Claim->Evidence->Conclusion. I spelled this out for you.
        
        The stereotype of the Left is of being unable to grasp basic logic You are living up the stereotype…
        
        isn’t an argument.
        
        It's how logical arguments work. I even provided a link (see how evidence works?) of how that works.
        It's clear now that this a completely foreign subject to you.
        
        crentist on 03/03/2025 - 13:50
        
        +1
        
        @1st-Amendment:
        
        Claim->Evidence->Conclusion
        
        This was already established. You knew exactly which moment of the inauguration was referred to (evidence) and what you were disputing (conclusion).
        You are progressing from this point with your claim that the conclusion others have reached is incorrect.
        
        logic REQUIRES scepticism until evidence is provided
        
        Then what's preventing you from providing any? If you want to dispute the established evidence, then do it.
        What's stopping you from presenting an entire Claim->Evidence->Conclusion of your own?
        
        1st-Amendment on 04/03/2025 - 15:00
        
        -1
        
        @crentist:
        
        This was already established.
        
        Where? Provide a link.
        
        You knew exactly which moment of the inauguration was referred to (evidence)
        
        Oh dear…
        When your claim is a comparison (X is Y), you need to provide the TWO things you are comparing (both X and Y) so they can be compared.
        Yes I've seen Elon, and I've seen plenty of WW2 docos to know that wasn't the same thing. What I waiting for from you is the comparison evidence that made YOU think it was the same.
        So far we've got Tiktok and Reddit cosplay comparison, which is just rage bait. But not one single person can provide an actual Nazi to compare. Doesn't that seem odd to you that not a single person can do this? Is there some part of your brain that thinks, hey maybe the Emperor is not wearing any clothes?
        The comedy is that I'm nearly 100 posts in to this and still no-one can do it. It's beyond belief that you would so much effort dancing around a simple request to show some evidence for your claim if you had it. The conclusion therefore that the claim is unsubstantiated.
        
        and what you were disputing (conclusion).
        
        You can't make a conclusion until you've have a premise (evidence). This is covered above.
        
        Then what's preventing you from providing any?
        
        Burden of proof, we've already covered this above.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)
        
        TL;DR "the burden of proof lies with the one who speaks, not the one who denies"
        
        Hopefully you're learning something out of all of this. That would be one small consolation.
        
        crentist on 04/03/2025 - 18:47
        
        @1st-Amendment:
        
        TL;DR "the burden of proof lies with the one who speaks, not the one who denies"
        
        This is an effective way to justify regressing a debate and refusing to contribute to it. Denial absolutely does have its own burden.
        
        You could deny deny deny that the sky is blue. But no one is obligated to withhold their own conclusions until your personal threshold has been met.
        Especially in the case that you are right and everyone else is wrong, it would be more valuable to make a case beyond mere skepticism for the sake of skepticism and say something of substance.
        
        So again, what's stopping you?
        
        1st-Amendment on 05/03/2025 - 11:43
        
        -1
        
        @crentist:
        
        This is an effective way to justify regressing a debate
        
        Lol… Using basic logic is 'regressing a debate' in clown world…
        
        what's stopping you?
        
        Your failure to grasp how basic logic works.
        
        When they say the left doesn't understand logic, you are living up to the stereotype. When I said you are hopefully learning something it sounds like I was too optimistic.
        
        crentist on 05/03/2025 - 12:42
        
        +2
        
        @1st-Amendment:
        
        Lol… Using basic logic is 'regressing a debate' in clown world…
        
        No, but hiding behind excuses is. You're fully aware of the conclusion you're disputing, and you hope to undermine it without actually refuting it.
        
        When they say the left doesn't understand logic, you are living up to the stereotype.
        
        When I say you are obsessed with labels, deflection, and empty statements, I don't need to rely on a stereotype.
        
        When I said you are hopefully learning something it sounds like I was too optimistic.
        
        I've never had that hope for you. But it would be an improvement to see you actually contribute and support your own views in future, rather than simply make demands.
        
        And just a tip. Try not to admit you don't actually mean your own words next time. They're already hollow enough.
        
        1st-Amendment on 06/03/2025 - 09:10
        
        -5
        
        @crentist:
        
        and you hope to undermine it without actually refuting it.
        
        This is where the logic comes in which you quite obviously have absolutely no idea about. The stereotypical left brain in action.
        
        Claim->Premise (evidence)-> Conclusion
        
        This link is my evidence that supports my claim, see how that works? https://www.thinkinglsat.com/articles/argument-parts-and-ind…
        
        You've made a claim, I asked for evidence, you keep running away and making excuses. In logic you can't make a conclusion without a premise, but since the Left are unburdened by logic and reason you just believe whatever feels right to you. This is exactly how all Leftist ideas work. It is always feelings, never facts
        
        When I say
        
        Less talk, more evidence. That is the exact problem here.
        
        trapper on 05/03/2025 - 10:57
        
        @1st-Amendment:
        
        So far we've got Tiktok and Reddit cosplay comparison, which is just rage bait. But not one single person can provide an actual Nazi to compare. Doesn't that seem odd to you that not a single person can do this? Is there some part of your brain that thinks, hey maybe the Emperor is not wearing any clothes?
        
        It's because none of them actually believe what they’re saying. No one honestly thinks Elon is a Nazi - the whole idea is absurd.
        
        They already hate Elon, and this is just a convenient bit of mud to try to smear him with.
        
        You can’t have an honest discussion with dishonest people.
        
        1st-Amendment on 05/03/2025 - 11:46
        
        -1
        
        @trapper:
        
        You can’t have an honest discussion with dishonest people.
        
        The fun is watching the effort they go to making excuses for never ever being able to produce any evidence for anything they believe. The mental gymnastics on display in here is truly remarkable.
        
        dealsucker on 31/03/2025 - 09:40
        
        @Karfaffel: More rhetorical non sense.
        
        dealsucker on 31/03/2025 - 09:39
        
        @dealhunter52: Do you even know the dictionary definition of an oligarch?
        
        dealhunter52 on 31/03/2025 - 09:47
        
        @dealsucker: Oligarch - a very rich business leader with a great deal of political influence
        
        You need to take your head out of you backside, so you can think rationally.
        
        dealsucker on 31/03/2025 - 09:53
        
        @dealhunter52: You forgot to copy paste the most relevant bit from google “particularly with reference to individuals who benefited from the privatization of state-run industries after the collapse of the Soviet Union).”
        
        Even if i was to take your absolutely absurd claim on face value, was he an oligarch earlier (as he made most of his wealth during democats rule in US) or he has just turned oligarch in the last 40 days or so since Trump assumed power?
        
        I dont need a lesson in rationality from a rabid left lunatic. They need to be made politically irrelevant so that the actual non utopian non stupid left can do something good for the world.
        
        dealhunter52 on 31/03/2025 - 11:06
        
        -1
        
        @dealsucker:
        
        Even if i was to take your absolutely absurd claim on face value, was he an oligarch earlier (as he made most of his wealth during democats rule in US) or he has just turned oligarch in the last 40 days or so since Trump assumed power?
        
        Has to be the dumbest argument I have ever heard. What political influence did he had during Democrats rule? Which Democrat President did a infomercial for his company on White House premises? Now he's basically a Co-President because he spend $250 million and pushing his far-right ideology everywhere.
        
        I dont need a lesson in rationality from a rabid left lunatic.
        
        FYI, I'm a center-right conservative. But because of some rabid far-rights Nazi lovers, we are losing relevance. Shilling for billionaires is the lowest of the low and absolutely pathetic.
        
        dealsucker on 31/03/2025 - 12:13
        
        @dealhunter52: Dumb is what dumb sees and says. I asked you a simple question if he was an oligarch earlier or has he become an oligarch now. How does one become an oligarch and loose wealth? Second, the evidence in support of your claim is oh look president is endorsing Tesla - Biden endorsed, no white lied, when he said GM started the EV revolution - what was that? Or when the white house had a line of Jeep in the courtyard with Biden driving one?
        
        If the rabid left lunatics did not destroy public property out of their misplaced sense of self righteousness, the American president would not have to step in to defend an American company under violent attack either. Elon does not have any constitutional authority - i am not sure how you become a co-president without it but when you can be called a Nazi just like that I think nothing is out of the order.
        
        As for election funding, would the high donors to the democrats be considered “oligarchs” as well in your opinion, past and present or is it just one way when it goes to the candidate you dont like? Kamala campaign raised and spent more than 1.1bn dollars compared to $453mn for Trump - so who are the oligarchs on the either side if that is the only determining factor?
        
        What decisions has Trump taken which directly “favour” Elon Musk? The fact is under previous administration Boeing was awarded $4.82 billion under NASA's Commercial Crew Program to develop and operate its CST-100 Starliner spacecraft for astronaut transportation to the ISS while SpaceX received $2.6 billion to develop and operate its Crew Dragon spacecraft. Almost twice the money and yet it is SpaceX who brought the astronaut’s back. That is called a favor.
        
        I dont care what you call yourself, you might as well be a dumb rabid left lunatic given your pesky one sided arguments.
        
        dealhunter52 on 31/03/2025 - 13:20
        
        @dealsucker:
        
        Dumb is what dumb sees and says. I asked you a simple question if he was an oligarch earlier or has he become an oligarch now. How does one become an oligarch and loose wealth? Second, the evidence in support of your claim is oh look president is endorsing Tesla - Biden endorsed, no white lied, when he said GM started the EV revolution - what was that? Or when the white house had a line of Jeep in the courtyard with Biden driving one?
        
        Dumbest whataboutism take ever. Biden didn't buy a Jeep and neither told his administration to buy only Jeep. Point was to promote electric cars in general. Also, Musk didn't lose his wealth, he's still richer than before the elections last year.
        
        If the rabid left lunatics did not destroy public property out of their misplaced sense of self righteousness, the American president would not have to step in to defend an American company under violent attack either. Elon does not have any constitutional authority - i am not sure how you become a co-president without it but when you can be called a Nazi just like that I think nothing is out of the order.
        
        What type of a moron thinks that rioters of January 6 Capitol attack, which injured cops and destroyed public property are innocent and should be pardoned, but destroying private property of a Trillion dollar company is domestic terrorism? Stupid is what stupid does. I can't believe there are people in Australia dumb enough to not know the difference. It's open season for corruption, where Orange moron is giving away pardons to convicted criminals like Nikola CEO in return for favors, selling his meme coins and his sons are making billions from their Crypto Ponzi schemes, meanwhile idiot MAGA are supporting all the corruption.
        
        As for election funding, would the high donors to the democrats be considered “oligarchs” as well in your opinion, past and present or is it just one way when it goes to the candidate you dont like? Kamala campaign raised and spent more than 1.1bn dollars compared to $453mn for Trump - so who are the oligarchs on the either side if that is the only determining factor?
        
        Which oligarch donating to Democrats was a Co-President and practically living in white house? Which Oligarch repeatedly appeared in every Oval office or Cabinet meetings? Use brain, if you have any.
        
        What decisions has Trump taken which directly “favour” Elon Musk? The fact is under previous administration Boeing was awarded $4.82 billion under NASA's Commercial Crew Program to develop and operate its CST-100 Starliner spacecraft for astronaut transportation to the ISS while SpaceX received $2.6 billion to develop and operate its Crew Dragon spacecraft. Almost twice the money and yet it is SpaceX who brought the astronaut’s back. That is called a favor.
        
        Why did you think he was appointed to Doge? First thing he did was remove government departments investigating his companies.
        https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2025-03-27/elon-musk-…
        
        Also, why didn't Trump cancel the EV credits as he had promised? Why is FAA cancelling deal with Verizon and giving it to SpaceX? Don't you know that Tesla is the main beneficiary of Auto tariffs? Why did India recently let Tesla sell cars in India without local manufacturing and why did they give SpaceX regulatory approval for satellite internet?
        
        Answer is simple. Trump is using his power to benefit Elon and his companies.
        
        I dont care what you call yourself, you might as well be a dumb rabid left lunatic given your pesky one sided arguments.
        
        I don't give a shit if you call me lefty or whatever. You MAGAt lunatics have ruined it for conservatives all over the world. You don't even realize the damage you're doing to your own. Orange moron and his supporters have "Snatched defeat from the jaws of victory" for both Canadian and Australian conservatives in upcoming elections.
        
        dealsucker on 31/03/2025 - 14:24
        
        @dealhunter52:
        
        Block-quote Dumbest whataboutism take ever. Biden didn't buy a Jeep and neither told his administration to buy only Jeep. Point was to promote electric cars in general. Also, Musk didn't lose his wealth, he's still richer than before the elections last year.
        
        So this administration must have brought out a diktat to buy only Tesla's? Infact the EV incentives have been taken away. If the point was indeed to promote EV's in general, why leave out the most American, largest EV company in the world which actually made EV's mainstream but endorse GM who barely sold any EV's in America at the time but yeah questioning it is whataboutism. I'll tell you why - because one of the biggest democrats donors are UAW of America.
        
        Block-quote What type of a moron thinks that rioters of January 6 Capitol attack, which injured cops and destroyed public property
        
        So now whataboutism is okay? What kind of a moron equates the damage due to BLM which was in billions of dollars to both public property and private businesses to a riot in the capitol and 25 people died. What exactly was the damage to the capital? How many police officers died in the so called attack? And all of these protestors were prosecuted and put behind bars and were already behind bars for several years before being pardoned - how many of the BLM's were? Including the most corrupt which bought mansions using donated money?
        
        And this is the rabid left's last resort for justifying their own violence - oh look capital riots. If i had a dollar everytime someone made the same argument, I would be a billionaire by now.
        
        Block-quote but destroying private property of a Trillion dollar company is domestic terrorism?
        
        Yes it is numpty. It literally fits the definition of domestic terrorism. I guess FAFO and I hope each and everyone of them is put behind bars for the longest time. And what has company valuation got to do with destroying property?
        
        Block-quote Stupid is what stupid does. I can't believe there are people in Australia dumb enough to not know the difference. It's open season for corruption, where Orange moron is giving away pardons to convicted criminals like Nikola CEO in return for favors, selling his meme coins and his sons are making billions from their Crypto Ponzi schemes, meanwhile idiot MAGA are supporting all the corruption.
        
        You are a bigger fool than I originally thought if you think even the president of USA get away with any of this. By the way I agree that Nikola CEO should never have been pardoned. All of the so called MAGA's are calling out the pardon as well.
        
        Block-quote Which oligarch donating to Democrats was a Co-President and practically living in white house? Which Oligarch repeatedly appeared in every Oval office or Cabinet meetings? Use brain, if you have any.
        
        lol as long as everything is done subtly and behind the doors it is okay but if you are out and center its not because now you can see what i am doing? Slow clap idiot.
        
        Block-quote Why did you think he was appointed to Doge? First thing he did was remove government departments investigating his companies.
        https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2025-03-27/elon-musk-…
        
        lol tell me what those investigation are? This is a typical leftie brain fart of an article - just keep quoting, there were x investigations going on? Investigations for what? What were the charges they were investigating? Were they serious charges? Musk has been clear even before the elections how bureaucracy is stifling the execution given the current speed of change due to technology. His spats with FAA are well documented.
        
        Block-quote Also, why didn't Trump cancel the EV credits as he had promised? Why is FAA cancelling deal with Verizon and giving it to SpaceX? Don't you know that Tesla is the main beneficiary of Auto tariffs? Why did India recently let Tesla sell cars in India without local manufacturing and why did they give SpaceX regulatory approval for satellite internet?
        
        lol the leftist were unhappy when the news came out about EV incentives - "thats unfair to the other American EV makers because Tesla is profitable" and they are unhappy still when they havent been taken away. They will always be unhappy unless the world works exactly how they want it to.
        
        FAA/USDOT is unhappy with Verizon speed of execution, and it is a well known fact. The contract has not been awarded to SpaceX either. They are still testing. https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/usdot-says-ve…
        
        Elon has never asked for EV incentives. He was always been against it including petroleum subsidies by the way. As for the so called loan, this is the reality. By the way neither GM or Ford have paid their loans yet. Only Nissan and Tesla have and Tesla paid off the in 2013 itself.
        
        "USDOE announced in 2009 $8.4 billion in conditional loan agreements for Ford Motor Company; Nissan North America, Inc.; Tesla Motors, Inc. and Fisker Automotive to fund the development of advanced vehicle technologies. Additionally, DOE has spent approximately $3.3 billion on federal credit subsidies costs in order to secure the loans for the few approved companies.[7][8] The loan commitments include a $5.9 billion loan to Ford for upgrading factories in five states to produce 13 more fuel-efficient models, a $1.6 billion loan to Nissan to build advanced electric vehicles and advanced batteries, and a $465 million loan to Tesla Motors to manufacture its new electric sedan."
        
        As for India allowing Tesla (or any other American company for that matter if they want to), that is due to Trump's stand on tariffs and India trying to appease Trump to not put more tariffs on. India charges more than 100% tax on fully imported cars - previous administration was okay with it, Trump isnt. In anycase, India is a tiny market for cars that expensive and the sales would be in few thousand at a maximum per year if not less. FYI, we buy more Mercedes cars in Australia than they do in India per year and we have a smaller population than New Delhi
        
        If you had done any research or had any knowledge what so ever, you would have known already that satellite spectrum isnt auctioned which the incumbent telecom companies in India were calling for. And yet starlink still had to go with an existing company and could not offer services by themselves.
        https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/what-is-satellit…
        
        Block-quote Answer is simple. Trump is using his power to benefit Elon and his companies.
        
        The answer is that you are a gullible fool who makes his opinions after reading a few headlines, headlines which are made to fool gullible idiots like you anyway. I want to say well done to them but given its so easy, I wont.

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