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Verbatim Blu-Ray BD-R XL 100GB Blank Disc 20-Pack (MABL tech, 3 Layers, 4x Speed) $129.89 Delivered @ Amazon JP via AU

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Ultimate backup solution. Will not die like HDD, will not vanish/locked-out like Cloud.

Use it for precious data, not Linux ISOs. I recommend Verbatim USB Blu-ray writers, 43887, 43888, 43889 $157 and the like. Pioneers will do too, look for "M-Disk" or BDXL support, check by downloading user manual. Buy two and keep one with the written disks offsite.

Looks like lowest per disk at the moment. Non-organic chemistry in BD-Rs 50G and above - will not go sour in 100 years.

Specs (5th image on Amazon listing):
- It is suitable for long-term storage by adopting a unique MABL recording layer.
- Protects from damage by adopting a strong surface protective layer

M-Disk or not?

Likely not, but still 100 years guarantee for MABL recording chemistry, see here and here.
M-Disks claim 1000 years. M-Disk surface looks more golden, this is probably will be dark blue.

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  • UberIsCool on 19/07/2025 - 21:40
    +23

    Must have player that can play them…. hope that works in 30 years from now

    • nuker on 19/07/2025 - 21:50
      +5

      You need to buy one to write the data anyway. Then just don't throw it away :)

      • serpentxx on 19/07/2025 - 23:31
        +15

        Its an interesting idea, but you might need to keep the computer too, could be difficult to get the hardware working on a modern OS in 30 years.

        Also BD-R XL seems kind of niche and initial googling says it cant be read by mainstream bluray disc drives, Im thinking its the Zip drive to floppy discs, and I cant find any modern USB zip drives

        Not trying to crap on your deal, just started thinking if its really an ideal long term backup solution

        • Ozsaver88 on 19/07/2025 - 23:37
          +10

          If you're 35 or 40 now and thinking this Blu-ray will still work in 30 years… congrats, you’ve just planned your retirement hobby: trying to boot up Windows 10 from a dusty ThinkPad to read a 100GB archive. Hope your arthritis can still handle connecting those devices and disks :D

          • nuker on 19/07/2025 - 23:55
            +5

            @Ozsaver88: You guys think there will be no computers in 30 years that have USB or can have USB expansion card? Seriously?
            For drivers just install old Windows version on it, done :)

            • Ozsaver88 on 20/07/2025 - 00:34
              +11

              @nuker: In 30 years, your AI agent might charge a premium to run 2020s tech… probably call it “Legacy Human Tech Mode” or something… Lets hope our Super & pension$ can afford that nostalgia option.

            • M00Cow on 20/07/2025 - 07:16
              +16

              @nuker:

              You guys think there will be no computers in 30 years that have USB or can have USB expansion card? Seriously?

              Serial Port (RS-232/DB-9/DB-25)

              Parallel Port (DB-25/Centronics)

              PS/2 (Mini-DIN-6)

              VGA (DE-15/HD-15)

              AT Keyboard (DIN-5)

              Game Port (DA-15)

              SCSI

              Apple Desktop Bus (ADB)

              IEEE 1394 (FireWire, iLink)

              Floppy Drive Connector

              LocalTalk / Mini-DIN

              ISA/PCI (older variants)

              DVI

              all very common these days.

              • PhilToinby on 20/07/2025 - 09:38
                +1

                @M00Cow: Firewire is not common, so transfering MiniDV tapes to a windows PC is not easy, especially when you dont have an expansion slot for a firewire card.

                I have some old digital video recordings on a digital DV 'tape' from a camcorder which has a bespoke USB cable and I haven't figured out yet how to transfer these videos to my Windows pc…and I used to be good at tech!!

                • Transient on 20/07/2025 - 11:01

                  @PhilToinby: I had this problem about 20 years ago. Bought a video capture card (less than $20 from Ebay) that allowed me to connect the camcorder to card using the supplied cable. I think the card had a firewire port as I remember that name and haven't used that port or cable since! The video quality on MiniDV tapes was better than SD DVDs. A problem back then was finding enough space on the HDD to store the recordings before transferring to DVDs. Still keeping the tapes as another backup.

                • M00Cow on 20/07/2025 - 11:18
                  +2

                  @PhilToinby: <swoosh> i was pointing out the ridiculousness of the statement. But most of the stuff the Op said is too. To paraphrase Monty Python he's just making it up as he going along.

              • Transient on 20/07/2025 - 11:05

                @M00Cow: I remember buying a scanner which needed a serial port. It was cheaper than the USB version so bought the serial port version instead - my mistake! Although I rarely use scanners these days - just take a photo on the phone and upload that.

              • RedHab on 14/08/2025 - 14:36

                @M00Cow: RS-232 dates from the 1960's. RS-232C is 1969.

            • TheDukeOfNukem on 20/07/2025 - 09:35
              +1

              @nuker:

              For drivers just install old Windows version on it, done

              Someone clearly hasn't tried to install ancient OSes on a modern machine recently. Fortunately, VMs are pretty good these days, but still, have fun getting Windows 98 to run flawless natively on a modern box.

            • p1 ama on 20/07/2025 - 10:12

              @nuker: Well, to be fair, there are no computers today with parallel or serial ports, and obviously installing Windows 95 on modern hardware is not really a viable option.

            • qwijibo on 21/07/2025 - 11:54

              @nuker: Try installing Windows 95 (30 years old now) onto modern hardware. Some parts of it might kind of work, but it will be missing drivers for modern hardware (e.g. video drivers, usb drivers, pci-e support, etc).

              Same thing will apply to windows 10/11 in 30 years time. Hardware changes over time - even if it supports the same standard (e.g. USB 3.1), the way the cpu talks to the USB controller would change in that time.

              You might be able to do it using virtualbox, passing through an emulated USB port, but no guarantees.

          • Ryanek on 20/07/2025 - 00:03
            +5

            @Ozsaver88: I still have CD media from 30 years ago. With VM's, if anything it will be easier.

            • Ozsaver88 on 20/07/2025 - 00:25

              @Ryanek: yeah, let's hope by 2055 your VM might run in a toaster

        • maddoglee on 20/07/2025 - 08:12
          +2

          I’ve been burning dvds over the last couple of days. I bought one for the salvos and although it didn’t look scratched out was corrupted. I’ve also got 30yr old cds that have started to flake so I don’t know why anyone thinks these will last 100 years. I wouldn’t be my life on it.

          • flame21 on 20/07/2025 - 12:11

            @maddoglee: yes i agree with you. and not just the data layer (Non-organic chemistry) but also the outter plastic disk itself may not last 100 years. From my experience a traditional HDD can easily last longer than DVD/CD-R.

            At least all my old HDDs from 2005-07 are still fine to work - I trust HDD more with cold data than plastic disks, at least HDDs' disks are metal.

      • odysseus on 20/07/2025 - 02:19
        +1

        Except optic drives also die… so goes against your argument against hard drives…

        • UFO on 20/07/2025 - 10:46

          Easier to replace a generic optical drive than it is to replace irreplaceable corrupted data.

          • Nom on 20/07/2025 - 10:53

            @UFO: Easier today.

            It might not be easy in 15 years, but when the drives start becoming hard to source then I imagine that's the time you migrate to a new plan…

      • CacheHunter on 20/07/2025 - 08:38
        +1

        I bought one only a few years ago. It connects via mini-usb. What are the chances that we'll have devices with mini-usb ports in 30 years?

        • maso on 20/07/2025 - 08:51

          Mini-usb to usb-c or usb-a adapters can be had for a few dollars off Ali.

          The biggest issue is just physical degradation IMO, but that can at least be reduced by burning a few copies.

          • TheDukeOfNukem on 20/07/2025 - 09:34

            @maso: "Few dollars" … if you don't mind them maxing out at like 5mbps

      • UberIsCool on 20/07/2025 - 14:40

        I’m hoping it’s all compatible down the track, just thinking of the Zip and Jazz days, we got caught out at work with discs and no drives as they all died

        • rygle on 20/07/2025 - 23:41

          The old click of death!

    • Weshouldgetsushi on 19/07/2025 - 21:50
      +6

      I have backups done on LS-120. Same problem.

      • nuker on 19/07/2025 - 23:12
        +6

        I put USB in bold for you in the post :)

          • Ozsaver88 on 20/07/2025 - 00:38
            +3

            @AustriaBargain: Wrong forum mate.. Australia is a different country.

              • Ozsaver88 on 20/07/2025 - 01:51
                +2

                @AustriaBargain: Mate, seriously… what AI are you smoking?

              • TheDukeOfNukem on 20/07/2025 - 09:39
                -3

                @AustriaBargain: Pulled out my old Samsung tablet because my laptop was left in the bedroom and I didn't want to wake the missus. Glad I loaded this up on there, never seen an A9 tablet with a disc drive before today, but lo and behold, it magically grew one when loading this page too! Wild!

          • EitherWayUp on 20/07/2025 - 06:08
            +1

            @AustriaBargain: External USB Disc Drive

    • Fuzor on 19/07/2025 - 23:34
      +4

      https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B081JY1FND/ref=ox_sc_sa…

      Its a Pioneer, it'll still work in 30 years

      • CheapGit on 20/07/2025 - 01:20
        +1

        I've have the Verbatim 43888 drive. which contains the Pioneer BDR-UD04 drive, think i paid around $120 for it. But i think newer 43888 units have the LG BU40N drive inside.

        • nuker on 23/07/2025 - 21:01

          I got 43887 on eBay for cheap and found firmware patch to bring it to 43888 (now reports as BDR-UD04 :)

    • R4 on 20/07/2025 - 03:21
      +2

      In 30 years time you'll be able to 3D print a Blu Ray player

      • Shoocat on 20/07/2025 - 10:59
        +2

        In 30 years time you'll be able to 3D print a robotic human to 3D print your Blu ray player.

        Also our AI overlords won't permit us to revisit the past. A glorious future of absolute control at the hands of Zuckerbot 3000.

    • Schrodinger on 20/07/2025 - 05:00
      +2

      I can still read zip disks, IDE hard disks (if the disk still works ofc), 3.5" floppy disks on modern systems.
      Even if writing Blu-Rays disks become a thing of the past, it's very likely that it would be possible to read these in 30 years. You might have to pay extra to acquire a reader but after that the software part wouldn't be that hard.

    • boomramada on 20/07/2025 - 09:42

      Your DVD driver probably won't work with USB X, which comes in 30 years LOL

    • ashyboy on 20/07/2025 - 12:34

      You know you can play CDs in current optical drives right? By your logic CDs should be absolute since they are 30 years old.

      Amazing part of optical disc technology is having backwards compatibility. Next gen disc drives will be all the way backward compatible. Why? Because that's how they are designed in first place.

      M disc blueray are sold as archivable storage. Government agencies in western countries use them in passive archive storage

    • Lief on 20/07/2025 - 13:24
      +2

      You don't really have to have a player.
      You could just send it to someone to recover the data for you if the Bluray drive apocalypse is really that bad.

  • Agileduck on 19/07/2025 - 21:43
    +3

    Thank you. I didn’t know about this product.

  • cloudie9 on 19/07/2025 - 21:52
    +1

    will not go sour in 100 years.

    Will we be around by then?

    • PainToad on 19/07/2025 - 21:57
      +10

      John Connor: We're not gonna make it, are we? People, I mean.

      The Terminator: It's in your nature to destroy yourselves.

      • tunzafun001 on 19/07/2025 - 23:38

        Well…most of the planet spends most of its GDP on defence…against an alien invader…no just humans against humans!

        Then there's Ai, that self learns the things what you like, so makes the ultimate companion. Nek minute…can't have AI babies…but can make and Ai robot children.

        Nek minute…we are…sour…

        • M00Cow on 20/07/2025 - 07:52
          -1

          Well…most of the planet spends most of its GDP on defence

          Trumpian math ~3% = most

          • tunzafun001 on 20/07/2025 - 11:27

            @M00Cow: True…. Let's say a rediculous figure on defence vs say education, the environment, poverty etc .
            Then add up all defence spending across the planet… silly numbers.

            • KingPhil on 20/07/2025 - 11:54

              @tunzafun001: Well if you build a house, you probably spend 3% on defence /security too once you factor it all in - eg. Doors, locks, security screens, window locks, alarm system, motion sensors, CCTV cameras, video doorbell, intercom, reinforced door frames, garage door security, fencing, gates, security lights, safe, security stickers, window security film, driveway sensor.

              • tunzafun001 on 20/07/2025 - 13:35

                @KingPhil: Yes… that is the premise…ie. people are shit/ will society make it another 100 years.

    • The Magic Pudding on 19/07/2025 - 22:00
      +1

      Yes, definitely yes if you load your consciousness onto a bunch of these, which is what I've done.

      • nuker on 19/07/2025 - 22:34

        How many disks did it fit in?

        • The Magic Pudding on 19/07/2025 - 22:40
          +9

          42

          • nuker on 19/07/2025 - 22:45
            +2

            @The Magic Pudding: Thanks for sharing your IQ with the group. 42 x 100GB / Ksh (Shannon–Hartley coefficient) = 100. Group, say hello to Pudding. Slowly.

            • NigelTufnel on 20/07/2025 - 07:22
              -2

              @nuker: You know 100 is the average IQ right? Is this how you talk to the average person in the street?

      • Grok on 20/07/2025 - 00:00

        That’s not you.

  • jakentta on 19/07/2025 - 21:59
    +3

    I did not realise burning dics was still a thing. The 100 year promise is nice, but then again I think some of the CDs and DVDs also promised long storage times. Yet here we are, most of my burned discs from around 2000s are unable to be read. With the size of the video files from modern cameras, I do need a backup solution, but I'm afraid this is not it. If the capacity per disc was 10 times more, then I might consider, but would probably still be a no.

    • nuker on 19/07/2025 - 22:06
      +3

      my burned discs from around 2000s are unable to be read

      Yeah, these were organic chemistry, used in CD-R, DVD-R, 25G BD-Rs. Lifespan of 5–20 years.

      • Commodore64 on 19/07/2025 - 23:04

        Try vacuum sealing them

      • DannyBoy on 20/07/2025 - 00:49

        Didn't the original burn speed also play a roll in the lifespan?

        • maso on 20/07/2025 - 09:00

          Yeah, particularly on earlier burners. Source: me, an impatient kid burning a new mix CD at Max speed with a couple of minutes of overburn.

          After half a decade in a hot glovebox they'd definitely start to struggle, although that was obviously a number of factors.

          The failure rate definitely felt higher on higher speeds and I'm pretty sure it was always recommended not to burn at Max for best readability.

      • Cheap Rich Guy on 29/07/2025 - 01:31

        I’ve got Sony banded CD-R discs made by Taiyo Yuden from around 1998/99 that have some dye deterioration near the perimeter of the disc. The last 2 or 3 songs are corrupted but the rest of the disc plays fine. This has only happened in the last few years so the discs were good for about 20 years.
        In the early 2000s they started using a better dye on the discs. Those discs in my collection don’t have any problems as yet.
        All my Verbatim dual-layer dvd+r discs work well. These must be around 15 years old by now.

    • SeanConnery on 20/07/2025 - 00:13
      +1

      I have some burnt DVDs from 2009 that play perfectly fine today. Just gotta store and protect them very carefully. WIll try again in 4 years to see if they pass the 20 year mark.

      • outlander on 20/07/2025 - 18:32

        Yeah. This point keeps getting made, like it's a game stopper. But when a DVD breaks, it's usually only little bits here and there. There's programs you can use to recover files from a disc. That along with something like par2 for redundency, and you have a very good chance of data being read.

        • jakentta on 20/07/2025 - 22:36

          Yes, but I'd just rather have discs where the data was stored reliably and in a way that I could actually trust as a backup. If the reading of the backup must rely on recovery software or some other tricks, I don't really qualify it as an actual backup.

    • Dyl on 20/07/2025 - 06:06
      +1

      For 10x more capacity you need tape drives, and the writers cost literally thousands. The tape shelf life is enterprise grade though

      That’s a true archive solution, but as mentioned the writers are literally thousands - some businesses spend $10k+ on a writer if they need large full snapshots often

      • Aureus on 20/07/2025 - 08:10

        I doubt tape would last 100 years in a climate controlled facility. Stored at home there is not a chance.

        • Dyl on 20/07/2025 - 09:28

          Bluray definitely wouldn't last 100 years, tapes you have more of a chance. LPO tape drives have ECC built in so can handle a lot of issues naturally, Bluray has some error correction but it's not that much greater than DVD/CDs. The tapes and writers are highly standardised, so finding readers after that timeframe would be potentially possible (although a mission).

          Overall no single solution works indefinitely, you simply need 3-2-1 for that (3 copies of data, 2 different mediums, 1 off site/cloud). Tape media is just considered the best second medium for enterprises, with standard (SATA/NVMe/SAS) storage (main copy + cloud copy) as the main medium.

          Bluray disks are much lower setup cost though, so if a consumer really wanted 3-2-1 at home for whatever reason, it would be fit for that market… But I don't think it's fit as a long term safe archive. Not sure about it as a long-term archive though, I'd be making multiple copies if it's anything at all important… Even photo archives I'd burn 2 copies, still pretty cheap doing that.

  • Broden on 19/07/2025 - 22:28
    +9

    I can smell this post. That distinctive plastic-y scent.

  • Steven Reece Lewis on 19/07/2025 - 22:37

    Is etched glass cubes for storage still a thing?

  • Budju on 19/07/2025 - 23:12

    My nas is ultimate backup solution. Full redundancy backup on disk failure.

    • nuker on 19/07/2025 - 23:17
      +3
      1. Bit rot. Is your NAS using ZFS? If it does, does it have ECC memory?
      2. One disk dies. You replace it with new one, and start rebuilding. During rebuilding of the array you have zero redundancy. Another disk dies during rebuild - data is lost. I know advanced users have RaidZ2, but normies with Synology don't.
      • Budju on 19/07/2025 - 23:21

        You sound like a prepper. I'll take my chances during the rebuild with single disk failure redundancy.

        • nuker on 19/07/2025 - 23:29
          +1

          Thanks :)
          Backups are like USB chargers, the more the better :) Dumping your family photos or life's work will not take many disks, but you'll sleep better.

          • Budju on 19/07/2025 - 23:32

            @nuker: The thing about small file libraries like those is that you can make extra backups that don't involve additional disk redundancy in a 50tb capacity raid. But I agree backups are nice. I guess these disks can do that.

          • jakentta on 20/07/2025 - 22:41

            @nuker: I do have a NAS for local backups. But I don't trust it at all. The best solution I have currently found is a first generation Pixel phone that lets my upload everything in original quality to Google Photos without affecting my quota. Just remains to be seen how long that keeps working. Funny how I remember back in 2003 Google and Gmail promising eternally increasing quota for everything and then it just somewhere along the way was forgotten.

            • nuker on 23/07/2025 - 21:08

              @jakentta:

              … that lets my upload everything in original quality to Google Photos

              Thats Cloud, can vanish or account get locked-out. Best to have both, imho.

        • SoTightEcoLPI on 19/07/2025 - 23:35
          +3

          My NAS with WD reds been turning 24x7 10 years

          • Budju on 19/07/2025 - 23:41

            @SoTightEcoLPI: I think I had 13k hours on my WD Red 4TB before I put him out the pasture voluntarily, not due to failure. I'm happy with my single disk failure redundancy on the 50TB 4 drive raid now, but it will be a painful $400 to $500 if it ever happens.

      • M00Cow on 20/07/2025 - 07:55

        that's why we also backup to the cloud.

      • Stoz on 20/07/2025 - 14:40

        I'm a big fan of using high-capacity blu-ray discs for backup. But also note that Synology has supported SHR2 for years, which is similar to RaidZ2 / RAID6 as it has 2 disk redundency, and help a lot with safety during rebuild.

    • Blakes7 on 20/07/2025 - 04:47
      +3

      RAID is NOT a backup.

      • Budju on 20/07/2025 - 17:21

        Fair enough. I should probably know this as I used to extract data tapes from a server farm and drop them off at an off-site backup location.

  • liongalahad on 19/07/2025 - 23:14
    +1

    2035 hipsters be like…

    • M00Cow on 20/07/2025 - 07:57

      yeah I'm surprised no one is saying we should back up to vinyl. They last 50+yrs

      • schquid on 21/07/2025 - 00:23
        +2

        The data sounds so much warmer that way. Read back through a $4000 artisanal valve turntable and you wouldn't believe how good a text file can be.

  • Embaloo on 19/07/2025 - 23:15

    Is it 100GB per disc? :o

    • Cheap Rich Guy on 29/07/2025 - 01:44

      Yeah, they also have quad-layer versions which can store 125GB but those are rarer.

  • mynameisborat on 19/07/2025 - 23:27
    -1

    Ordering from Amazon JP via AU to store all my jap p*rn

    • M00Cow on 20/07/2025 - 07:57
      +2

      maybe they can preload it?

  • SeanConnery on 19/07/2025 - 23:28
    +3

    The 100gb 20pack spindle versions were about $90 a year ago. I have one of these and it can play 100GB BDXL discs: https://www.amazon.com.au/Pioneer-BDR-XS07TUHD-External-Port…

    • nuker on 19/07/2025 - 23:51
      -1

      they were $100, with GST, imho. I got two year ago

  • esandjay on 19/07/2025 - 23:33
    +1

    Is this M-Disk? I can not find any "M-Disk" writing anywhere. M-disk is the only one last long to almost 100 years, while other, will start developing disk rot in 5 years

    • nuker on 19/07/2025 - 23:36
      +3

      There is a lot of controversy around M-Disk trademark. For all practical purposes "M-Disk" is equivalent to BDXL 100GB and up. This is M-Disk.

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