Are Councils Abetting Car Thieves

I live in a residential parking zone where I have to put a sticker on my windscreen with my street on it.

In a long term battle with the council, I have always blacked that out. Nothing special about my car but it's not common, and valuable for parts.

Wouldn't it be easy for the local kiddie gangsters to tour carparks and find the streets of their preferred models?

The councils could easily fix it.

Comments

  • +20

    i kind of feel like if they want to, they will steal the car, street sticker or not?

    Could take some steps to make it less tempting.
    Eg immobilizer, steering wheel lock, dont leave valuables in sight, ensure doors locked.

    • +5

      Just fill your tank with regular when it needs premium dude

  • +25

    So you are worried someone seeing your GoGo mobile at Westfield will later stalk your street to steal it?
    Car thieves must be a cut above in your neighborhood, everywhere I have lived this would be a mental stretch.

    • +6

      The fact that they believe the 'local kiddie gangsters' are interested in stealing their car to strip it for parts rather then just take it for a joyride is already a mental stretch.

      • +1

        It is not too much of a stretch when you understand how the car rebirthing scheme works.

        However, I do not believe thieves use the sticker to find the cars they want.

        Normally, a tool similar to an Airtag is used to mark cars before they are stolen.

        If I recall, this is all explained in this youtube video.

        Let me know if the video is incorrect, I'll try to look at my favourited videos list and remember which other one it is.

        • +1

          I understand how it works, but kids aren't stealing cars to do that, they're stealing them for a cheap thrill.

          • -3

            @topherboi: Kids are stealing cars because woke justice and policing policies enable them to do it without consequences.

    • +2

      How could you forget the ad mate? G.O.G.G.O… its not the Dart!

  • +11

    Wait till you hear about people that leave their garage doors open on weekends and you can see their vehicle parked inside gasp

    • +1

      If clickbait is prepared to only enter or leave their property under cover of darkness, the council shouldn't expose them!

  • +3

    I guess if you are parking on the street, and need the sticker to do so, there would be plenty of passers by seeing your vehicle anyway? And the sticker needs to show your street so the ranger knows if you are entitled to park there.

  • +12

    What councils do next will shock you!!! Residents stunned by bureaucratic bungle!!!

    • +11

      Residents hate this one simple trick by thieves

      • +1

        Apologies I was trying to upvote your comment using a toothpick in my USB-C port but it doesn't seem to have worked

  • +15

    Is Specsavers abetting car thieves?

    With many in the population requiring glasses, surely Specsavers must be abetting car thieves as some of them would need glasses to drive?

    I have an uncommon car and am worried about poorly sighted car thieves who might be able to see my vehicle is valuable if aided by Specsavers.

  • The councils xould (sic) easily fix it

    True, but you also obtained/requested the permit with the design/information already displayed. Other simple fixes could be to; not park on the street and/or not rely on Council's permit; not own a vehicle so valuable; improve the cars anti-theft features, etc.

    There are many other ways to address your issue rather than blame Council. I'm not defending them, I'm just highlighting that your solution is more than pushing a narrative onto another.

  • +20

    In a long term battle with the council, I have always blacked that out. Nothing special about my car but it's not common, and valuable for parts.

    tin foil is on sale this week.

    If someone wants to steal your car for parts and they see it out and about, they'll just follow you home or drop a tracker on the car, not hope that you have a council permit in the windscreen and then go gosh darn, can't steal this one as I don't know where they live.

    • +8

      gosh darn, can't steal this one as I don't know where they live.

      lol this.

  • +23

    Quick question.

    What?

    • +5

      Yeah I'm completely lost.

      • I think the OP doesn’t want to show the street his car is usually on when parking in other places.

        He reasons in giving thieves this information it increases the chance of his car getting stolen (when parked overnight at his address).

        I’m not sure why council needs the street name on the sticker. Surely council keeps a record of the car and street name which can quickly be addressed electronically by parking monitors?

        • One of the councils I have done enviro consulting with doesn’t have parking stickers, at least for renters. They just scan the plates as they go past.

    • Top comment and I like it.

  • +5

    Does your limited edition car have a manual transmission? That stops most of the young car thieves these days.

    • +1

      They'll still give it a go, don't be lulled into a false sense of security.

      • Try a dog clutch, offers better security than a synch mesh manual.

  • +2

    Can you provide some more context, OP?
    Does the sticker have the street name on it?
    Sorry, I'm just not familiar with how these stickers work as I live in the Shire of Bumblef***k Nowhere.

    • +3

      Shire of Bumblef***k Nowhere

      Is that about 1.5hrs from the city?

    • I also live in Bumblef***k and am too ashamed to put the sticker on my car incase some city folk think less of me. Luckily property prices are reasonable so that I could afford a house with a big garage.

  • +6

    Firstly, if you car was nice enough to be "stolen to order", you wouldn’t be parking it on the street.

    Second, they would have much easier sources to acquire these cars. Going to car meets, standing outside high end dealerships when they bring their car in for a service etc. This also assumes they dont have people on the "inside" tipping them off. not just dealerships, but a huge range of sources. Insurance, registration, tyre shops, mechanics, roadside assistance, hotel front desk, golf clubs, lowjack, heck even a store that sells high-end merchandise.

    Third, if they wanted to steal it, they wouldnt wait until it came home, they'd take it from the carpark they followed you from. Or they’d just attach a tracker.

    Wouldn't it be easy for the local kiddie gangsters to tour carparks and find the streets of their preferred models?

    local kiddie gangsters take something easy to steal for joyriding.

      • can you afford a wheel clamp? that'll surely deter thieves

      • -1

        go on, tell us your fancy car

    • -8

      Do you know where I can pick up a garage, and some land to put it on.
      but thanks for your insider knowldege and tips

      • +3

        Do you know where I can pick up a garage, and some land to put it on.

        I hear you can get some out in Bumblef***k Nowhere.

      • Hard work.

  • +7

    Of all the conspiracy theory nonsense I have had to wade though this week, this is certainly at the top of my list.

    • +2

      How is it conspiracy theory nonsense?

      If the council is in fact listing a street name and suburb, or even just the shire and street, it is a security risk.

      It isn’t even just about vehicles.
      Are you seriously telling me you’d be happy for your daughter to have a sticker on her car that says which street she lives in, especially if she was living on her own?

      • +6

        It's teetering on the line between paranoia and conspiracy. OP seems like an ass with their responses.

    • -1

      all the conspiracy theory nonsense I have had to wade though this week

      What else was there?

      To be honest this seems more like either paranoia or a legitimate privacy concern than 'conspiracy theory nonsense'.

  • +2

    If your car sticker includes the name of your residential street, I agree that is an issue.

    I'm surprised council can require you to publically disclose that. Maybe refer it to your privacy comissioner, if there is one in vic.

  • +3

    Put it in the garage.

    • -5

      Can you give me an address?

      • +3

        Yeah, your house.

        • -5

          Touche'

          • +2

            @Clickbait: If you don't have a house or a garage, you agreed to the terms and conditions of parking on the street when you got your permit. I'd you don't like it, buy a place with a garage.

      • +1

        Check the sticker

  • +1

    Wouldn't it be easier to just tour residential streets and steal the cars, rather than adding the extra step of looking around every car in the carpark in the hopes it has a residential parking zone sticker on the car?

    If it's parked in the street at night and has a permit on it, you can be 99% sure it's a permit for someone in that street, even if the street name is blacked out.

  • +1

    I have the solution for you, but I'm not sharing it until you state the make and model of your car.

  • Buy a less valuable car

  • +2

    If anything, the council (and spec savers) are aiding the offence(s).

    The participating party must be present at the crime for their involvement to be classified as abetting.

    Unless council is present when crime committed, they cannot be said to abet.

    In the most general sense, think of abetting as to urge, instigate or encourage => hence need to be present

    For aiding, you don't need to be present, it's just doing something to enable the crim.

    • Are you urging people in this thread to think about the difference between aiding and abetting?

    • +1

      It’s the age old question. Is the government doing things intentionally or negligently?
      The majority of the time it’s irrelevant as your taxes are paying for the incompetent sycophants to do it.

  • -1

    Who leaves valuable parts on the street?
    Someone who doesn't have their priorities right.

    If you can't afford to lose it, afford a locking garage first.

    Have fun losing sleep over "kiddy" home invasions!

    Councils and businesses use birthdate as a security measure for id verification. This is who you put your trust in and expect to do right.

  • +1

    I block out the address on my wife's driver's licence as I'd hate for someone to know where she lives.

    Nothing special about her but not common and valuable for parts.

    • But do you park her on the street at night?

    • Nothing special about her

      For your sake I hope Mrs DrFuzzy isn't on here.

  • yes.. yes councils ARE abetting car thieves cause they have nothing better to do.

    YMMV

    • So your rates are paying for them to be incompetent?

  • Get an optician to fit a windscreen with your requirements and stop anyone else driving your car.

  • +1

    costco sells 100m of almiumim foil, ur gonna need some

    • Seems overkill. He can probably just use half a centimetre of masking tape to cover the address details on the parking sticker.

      • nah br0 he needs to cover the whole body, car and house

        • +1

          Either way he'll cop a fine from council rangers (for the crime of protecting his privacy), and therein lies OP's complaint.

  • +6

    Really surprised at the comments here. Like some others have said, at the minimum, displaying your street publicly on your car is concerning. If someone decides they want to find out where you live for whatever their chosen reason, that sticker's going to make it a lot easier.

    • Call centres for telcos love this, knowing all the flagship phone owners details for 'verification purposes'

      Name
      phone nunber
      Address
      date of birth

      Easy pickings

    • +1

      Really surprised at the comments here.

      Shouldn’t be - a lot of narcissistic shit-stirrers here.

  • It's less than ideal and just think once the thieves hack you apart with machetes to get your keys, they'll be out on bail the same day and off to steal another car. You could say the courts and judges are aiding and abetting too.

  • -1

    If you take your pride and joy to car meets and open the bonnet and field questions about your car, AND you have a stupid council sticker with your street name on it, then you've got yourself to blame when your car gets nicked and parted out.

    • +1

      If the requirement of the local government is you must have a sticker or be fined then it’s not your fault.

  • +2

    There’s lots of reasons for not displaying your street name on your car. Stalking is the one an ex workplace was concerned about, and it did happen. One staff member (that I know) was attacked at home.
    Ask the council to replace that information with a code, we did and it was done immediately. Talk to their privacy officer if you have to (legal requirement to have a PO).

    • FFS - every council is different
      And there is no requirement for every council in every state to have a privacy officer.
      That you need to figure this out as a rate paying member of the public and specifically ask is part of the problem - “use the secret code - privacy officer - then they’ll listen to you”
      What an expletive joke

  • -3

    Or simply don't stick the permit on the windscreen, stick it onto a piece of clear contact or plastic and only put it up on the dash when you are actually parked on the street requiring display of the permit.
    Oh, then you will complain that you forgot to display the permit and got fined.
    Grow up and take some personal responsibility.

    • My old council provided the parking permit as a laminated card rather than a sticker to start with.

  • It seems kinda dumb that government officials can't just look up your address based on rego

    • They can and do but they’re also incompetent.

  • Sell the valuable parts! Problem solved.

    Move to another suburb.

    Avoid driving your car to crowded area.

    Replace the badges and logo on your car from a Holden Astra, includes the wheels caps.

    Put a mannequin on the passenger side.

    Buy a 2005 Holden Astra.

  • I had a flash car that didn't have a sticker with my street on it. I'd park on my street in Rozelle, NSW.

    Turns out the car thieves followed me home at some point, and saw where it was left overnight.
    Gone.
    Eighteen months later, it's prominently displayed in a Parramatta Road caryard — rebirthed.
    Police seizure, charges etc.

  • +1

    What car is it?

    • +2

      And where do you live?

  • +1

    Why would the council fix it?

    They get paid well regardless

    • If you work for the government:
      1. You get paid whether you do a good job or not.
      2. You are almost impossible to get sacked
      3. Because you’re under Labor you’re taking it in - why would you leave?

  • Unfortunately, if you have a car that a thief would go to all this effort to steal you should not park it at any train station, shopping center or outside of a garage at your house. e.g. any VF, Evos, Skylines, JZs… It's asking for trouble. This goes for parking permit or not.

  • +2

    The usual Ozbargain crowd commenting their anti-privacy crap and ganging up against a very valid concern OP has raised.
    Why should the council be allowed to publicise your address on your car?
    Not only it is not necessary, but it could be very dangerous.
    Think about if that was on the car of a woman and some low life wanted to know where she lived to check out if they could easily get to her overnight.

  • Op is onto something because his council is doing something that they shouldn’t - oversharing your personal information.

    But how about we take this a step further and show what it could look like if your state government legislated what the Op has for his local council:

    Your number plates now have your street name and suburb on them.

    Now your daughter/wife can be harassed (if they were driving) and that person you cut off now knows practically where you live - and knows what car you drive.

    What next your social score? Government is cooked.

  • One solution is to go ePermits aka digital permit allocated to your rego.

    You sound like that one resident that gives pain to Council customer care for some crazy stuff lmfao!

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