For those with eneloop withdrawals…
Fujitsu "Ready-to-Use" Rechargeable NiMH batteries use a similar technology as the pioneer ground-breaking "Eneloop". With low self-discharge, the Fujitsu "R2U" NiMH batteries are, after 5 years, still able to retain up to 70% of their capacity. Pre-charged from the factory, they are in "ready-to-run" state out of the package and can be recharged over and over again up to 1800 times, making the batteries very economical.
FINALLY!
I have been on Ozbargain for 4 and a half years, waiting, waiting, waiting for a deal on low-self-discharge NiMH batteries.
AND finally there is one!
Thanks OP! :)
Good for you, i am still waiting for a free ebook :(
and can someone let me know if ever they find any fast food vouchers - that's all I think this Ozbargain site needs now!
Maybe you'll get lucky and someone will show you a way to get fast food in a cheaper way…
There's probably a Udemy course you could take. Now just the long wait for a free Udemy course deal to come up!
So you missed the Dick Smith low self discharge NiMH 4 AA battery pack $1.85 deal a few months ago?. How could you have missed it?.
I still have a box of these bastards (about 15 packets). I currently use them in my handheld milk frother. Such a waste of powerful batteries. :p
The Dick Smith LSD are piece of crap. Biggest waste of $1.85.
What makes you think that?
Edit: How many did you buy? I'm sure that there are plenty of others willing to take them off your hands at cost price!
No they arent.
I tested them on the C9000 they are fine. Why do you say that?
I use those on my xbox 360 controller. Only lost 1 bar for 1 day playing. Good batteries.
@OnTheMark:
I bought 28 batteries. Half of them have stopped working all together. The batteries are in no way even comparable to the quality of Eneloops.
@hollykryten:
I am using Eneloop charger with Delta V control. I have charged Eneloops on them for many years without a problem. I think there are quality control issues with the DSE LSD batteries.
The Dick Smith LSD are piece of crap. Biggest waste of $1.85.
I don't think it gave him the high that he was after lol
@zealmax:
In what way have they stopped working? Is your charger refusing to charge them, or is it charging them and then the device that you're putting them into isn't working?
Do you have a multimeter?
@OnTheMark:
It is charging them, but the device isn't working with them. I'm not too fussed, but next time I will stick to buying more reputable brand batteries.
@zealmax:
Something odd is going on with yours zealmax. Maye your charger? The DSE reviews would mention it, also I haven't heard of anyone else having problems with them.
The DSE orange colored batteries are a separate issue. Plenty of problems with those.
What type of device are you using them in? What voltage are they reading after you take them out of the device?
Good for you, i am still waiting for a free wife :(
Say hi to your left hand.
That would be the mistress.
Wait, what? NiMH? Captain please?
I think I have enough by now to power a small car.
There've been plenty of deals on eneloops..
So these are basically half-price eneloops?
Yes. Made in the same factory that the Sanyo Eneloop was. Basically the same battery just re-brand.
How are these half price? Rrp maybe - but the standard eneloop deal is 8 for $20 which makes them the same. No?
You beat me by 33 seconds :(
Not really, eneloops were $20 for 8, this is $10 for 4. Same deal except these are not as purty
Half price but also half the quantity too.
Yes but Eneloops aint Eneloops any more.
We are getting the inferior Chinese factory version now.
These are still made in the original Eneloop factory in Northern Japan to the original recipe.
We are getting the inferior Chinese factory version now.
Since when? We don't want no 'mongrel' batteries!
I checked my latest Tropical's and they were made in the good old North States of Japan 'to the original recipe.' Mmmmm… Praseodymium…
DSE's standard Pano branded white ones are now Chinese. The Sanyo UOMOs they just supplied are still Jap! Think the Chocos are too, but someone who purchased these recently would have to confirm!
Edit: You can still get old Jap stock Sanyo white ones from Masters!
Just because something is made in China does not equate to lower quality.
Exactly, but it does in this case.
They are rated at a lower retention rate and give inconsistent results compared to the tightly quality controlled Japanese ones. Check Candlepower forums for more info.
@King Tightarse:
Link please. The claimed "retention rate" is marginally lower but in practice could be the same or better. I'd be interested in reading about this so called inconsistency of "result".
@Possumbly:
Have a Google.
I read a breakdown and series of charge/discharge and other tests by the battery nuts at Candle Power when these emerged. They found that these did not give the tight result groupings that the Japanese Eneloops did. As for the claimed lower retention rate, its printed on the packet at a lower rate than the previous Japanese ones. I very much doubt that this translates to better retention.
Have a look around Candle Power forums. There is plenty of talk about these.
@King Tightarse: I've done that already and haven't come across the tests you appear to be talking about. There were some one off tests with graphs which showed essentially that Fujitsu and Eneloop from the Japanese factory were for all practical purposes "identical". The point about specs from reputable companies is that they are sometimes/often conservative, for obvious reasons, so a 65% claim might in practice lead to 70% or more.
@Possumbly:
Right…they though it would be a good PR move to downgrade their claimed retention rate on their own packaging and the fact that it co-incided with the move to the Chinese production line was pure happenstance. Very wise of them.
@King Tightarse: No evidence either way on retention rates that I'm aware of. They also claim greater temperature operating range and greater capacity iirc. Eneloops claimed 85% when they fist arrived but they are now down to 70% - my guess is the revised spec was at least partly based on overall experience rather than controlled lab testing in pristine conditions.
Still looking for your "test" which supposedly shows that they aren't as "tight" as Sanyo Eneloops. I'll let you know if I ever find it. Mind you I'll give a one-off test from a handful of batteries the same credence I'm currently giving your claims.
@Possumbly:
Seriously you are still on this?
Let it go man… breathe C'mon breathe…
Phew that's better.
@Possumbly:
Here's to you kid,!
Looking you in the the eye and laughing at you, not with you, for caring so very much about batteries on a bargain forum.
You just couldn't let it go, could you?
Cheers!
@King Tightarse: Whatever floats your boat pal. Simple minds…. Like quite a few on OzB your waffle didn't stand up to scrutiny and your subsequent efforts to defend it were pathetic. Wit's obviously not your forte, neither was accuracy. Now don't forget to run to mummy/mod again and get this "unpublished".
Eneloops weren't down rated from 85% to 70% - they were up rated with the newer generations. The 1st generation were rated at 85% after only 1 year, the 4th generation (Japanese) Eneloops are rated for 70% after 5 years - definitely not a downgrade!
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?364607-Ov…
As far as consistency goes, out of a pack of 8 Japanese 4th generation Eneloops that I tested, with the exception of one outlier (might have been a testing error) all cells were within 8 mAh of each other out of the packet - Standard deviation of 3 mAh. Out of a pack of 8 Chinese 4th generation Eneloops, their standard deviation was 12.6 mAh and a spread of 38 mAh.
As far as evidence on retention rates on the Chinese Eneloops - there very much is evidence that the Chinese Eneloops have lower retention rates than the Japanese made Eneloops - Panasonic themselves rate them as having a lower retention rate compared to the Japanese made cells.
The simple act of moving production to a new facility has the inherent risk that the new facilities won't be as fine tuned to produce the same cell to cell consistency as a plant that has been producing them for about 9 years.
You could be right that Panasonic is just being conservative in their ratings on the Chinese cells and they could end up being as good or better, but I think that the lower rating betrays the likelihood that Panasonic doesn't have the same level of confidence in the Chinese production facilities. If Panasonic doesn't have confidence, then why the &$^* should we have confidence that the Chinese cells are as good???
@OnTheMark: As far as evidence on retention rates on the Chinese Eneloops - there very much is evidence that the Chinese Eneloops have lower retention rates than the Japanese made Eneloops - Panasonic themselves rate them as having a lower retention rate compared to the Japanese made cells.
Yes we know what Panasonic says and that 5% difference will be make or break for anyone who leaves their batteries lying around for years on end no doubt (roflmao) but I'm still waiting to see decent evidence for it and for the - according to one or two - "lower quality" of the Chinese made battery. The King of irony was unable to provide it so perhaps you can?
This is the most definitive (and it isn't, by any measure, as the author says himself) comment that I've seen on Candlepower
but I notice you as your comments pop up to the top of my feed
Agreed!!!!!
By the time this ends, we'll be up to Gen 10s coming out of Somalia with a retention rate of 15%
More about Fujitsu batteries, see cwongtech comment in this post.
any aaa?
Alkalines = (next to) useless!
Unless you're into 1 night stands!!!
Can anyone estimate how much it costs in energy bills to recharge a battery to full?
@lostn:
Getting technical: Bugger all…
Getting even more technical: An AA Eneloop holds about 2.4 watt hours. Exaggerating for charging losses, etc, say it takes 5 watt hours to charge an Eneloop. At (an exaggerated) 50c per kWh, it works out to 0.25 cents per charge.
Another pack of rechargables to put into the (already) big pile of rechargables… damn you OzBargain!!! (＃`Д´)
looks like one of the angry bird characters!
Sold out in VIC.
all gone, nothing available around brisbane and gold coast (click and collect) either
good deal, got 3 packs
unbelievable~ sold out when its on my cart
please member with spares lying unused, dont buy more…
Sold out..
Anyone got a link for a decent battery charger for these? Wasn't there one on amazon for about $25 or something..?
Tempted, but still have unused eneloops left… crap…
Not a valid reason to not purchase
Seems to be sold out :(
Yes says it available click and collect only now. But as for click and collect i notice it's available for click and collect in WA at Perth CBD (Large), Belmont and Morley stores.
In Darwin is available at the Casuarina Square store.
Every where else seems to be sold out.
Placed an order an hour ago, and already having a tracking no.. Wow.. these guys are on it! hehe
Hey hangon they may have added more stock. I just managed to get it into the checkout as delivery.
Damn. Out of stock
What charger is best to use with these batteries?
These might be as good as the Eneloops, but they don't have the same ring to them I reckon - The word Eneloop is easy to remember and say.
I can't go up to someone and be like "Hey man, you're not a real OzBargainer because you don't have Fujitsu HR-3UTAEX's"
out of stock
Yup sold out again.
Good news was there wasn't a hard limit enforced on how many you can checkout, managed to get 10 packs. Should keep me going till the next eneloop deal.
Next Eneloop deal will probably be posted here before DSE post your Fujitsus!
dammit
managed to get 10 packs
you do know they are rechargeable… right?
Yeah, he must have a lot of battery powered devices.
Maybe he planned to get 10 years supply.
Each battery had 1500 charge cycles, so he shouldn't need that many packs to last 10 years. They should still be good.
this is why some people miss out the deal.
Re: Negs and comments about sicmate buying 10 packs!
True… You should be more considerate next time.
That way when you run out of batteries and have to get up and change the channel manually, fall down the stairs in the dark, or rock your kids to sleep because their favourite night time toy is flat… you will sleep better knowing that someone else you don't know, have never met, and would probably have done the exact same thing and bought whatever they needed, gets what they want first!!!
Is this a online special only?
Possibly. But you can order online with the click and collect option if your local store has it. Not many stores at all have this in stock.
still out of stock, but its 6.99 now?
Price is now $6.99, but still sold out. Is that a joke?
Click and collect only. Not that it matters because it's sold out every where around Australia. Bit of a joke reducing a price for some thing which is totally sold out.
I just got two in WA（Click and collect）！
Thx OP！
my 2 packs came today.. came from Adelaide to country vic :S
These Fujitsu batteries are said to be made in the same factory as the Sanyo Eneloops were. So it would be a really good battery. They would be rebranded Eneloops from the same factory in Japan. Notice these Fujitsu batteries have a model code HR-3UTAEX(4B) and the Sanyo Eneloop 4 AA packs have model code HR-3UTGB-BP4.