$2 Sandwiches at 7-11 are back !!! again, let the debate begin if they are tasty or not… at $2 its not a bad deal especially the big packs. It begins from midnight tonight (Tuesday).
Enjoy :)
7-11 Sandwiches $2 (Normally $5) Every Wednesday Until Oct 7
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greenlantern on 01/09/2015 - 23:03 7eleven.com.au (2087 clicks)
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@El Grande: they are going to increase the wage. But all employees need to sign an agreement about "improving your performance immediately" which includes a statement : complete tasks as required.
Failure to improve will result in further disciplinary action. In another word: Fire you.
Looks like they are going to let us do a lot of labour during shift.
who cares, hes happy, fuk the rest.
You're completely missing the blindingly obvious point. Pretty much every single 7-11 would go bust if they had to pay full wages, because of the obscene 57% share head office takes. There's only one way to fix this - head office stops being so greedy, and allows the businesses to function normally.
You are correct
I used to work in a Chinese restaurant and it was severely underpaid. At the time, I was desperate for money and only after I left I realised they prey on uni students who had no experience. They would would "act" nice to their staff and will always use it to manipulate you to stay when you want to leave.
This kind of practice happens in alot of places. Alot of Chinese resturants will underpay their staff. My mate was underpaid at PCDIY and I'm pretty sure I heard sources that MSY does it too.
Will we stop going to PCDIY/MSY to buy our computer parts because of it?
I was at an MSY store while they were conducting an interview (on the shop floor!!)in about 2009. They were offering the guy $8 an hour
Being under payed and boss is nice dose not gel with me at all.
The only way for him or her to make a buck is to slash the payroll and regardless of the point there are laws in Australia that state a minimum rate…. Well if it makes you feel better that you boss can sleep at night and you find it hard to get ahead in life well just remember your boss is a nice guy.
I think the problem is that the franchisees bought into 7/11 thinking it will make a buck.
Then they are faced with the reality of the scam that 7/11 is running. Break the law as or see your investment go down the drain.
The fault lies with 7/11 corporate. They knew the franchisees have to break the law to maintain profitiability, yet they keep on expanding and selling licenses everywhere.
Seriously, there is like a 7/11 around every corner in Melbourne CBD. I can see the maybe 4-5 7/11 opening 24/7 in the city, one each by the city loop stations and maybe on in the centre. But they have more than 30 7/11s.
Sorry, mate, this is bullshit. Not the fact that your boss is nice and that you quite like your job. But the fact that your underpayment is acceptable. It is NOT, no matter what you think the reasons are. Due to you (and obviously heaps of other people) accepting it you put massive pressure on other stores that pay their employees fair wages. 57% of the profits to the HQ is obviously ridiculous and needs to be changed. If that goes down to lets say 20 to 30%, your boss would be able to pay you proper wages.
he said that his boss would pay him $20/hr if the cut dropped to 50%
Less profit does not mean they can underpay staffs.
Franchisee can negotiate with 7-11 headquarters. If the fees percentage increased is not as per agreement, they can seek legal advice.Increased fees is not an excuse of underpaying workers, not paying workcover or super guarantee.
The workers can skill up and find higher pay jobs. Somrthing around 20 per hour is not hard.
Who pays the rent, equipment maintenance and repair, store fitouts….?
I understand this is 7-11 except for rent, that is the franchisee
I knew something was dodgy. I also figured this was what was happening. Corporate wanting to give the shaft to the stores.
There are simply too many franchisee's underpaying too many staff for them to be doing this willingly. There had to be a reason for it.
in other great news 7-11 will continue to have a fresh supply of slaves.
From next year Australia is giving working holiday visas to Chinese.
You get paid for 7 hours after working 11 hours.
Many of the employees wish they got that much :-(
Guys, I get you are trying to make a statement here by negging and saying you don't want to support 7/11 but be mindful that there are some 7/11 franchise owners that are basically just family run that will not benefit at all from this type of boycott. It's probably a very small no if franchises but my local 7/11 is operated by the owner, his wife and his son. No other employees. I don't know whether they would pay them full wages or not if they had to employ someone else but they seem like nice enough people that in the end would just be going with the flow if they did choose to underpay (which I do not condone at all). I think what we need to do is pressure the corporation itself and not hurt the actual franchise owners that are not doing the wrong thing (although some are definitely taking advantage of workers).
I think what might work is emailing or writing to 7/11 head office and saying that you are planning to boycott them due to their actions and lack of repercussions and still wish to support franchise owners who have often been forced to underpay due to the expectation and the high cut the corporation takes.
Just my 2 cents.
So you are saying we should email head office and say we are going to boycott and then NOT actually boycott ???
I'm not sure that will have the desired effect :-(
The idea is to say that the Australian people are not stupid enough to believe that 69% of franchises are committing deliberate fraud. It's a flawed system that dooms franchises and workers.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace-relations/7eleven-a…
Franchisees know the revenue split when they sign up.
@sickllama: Do you think the staff didn't know what they will get paid? Exploitation is exploitation. Period.
Poor business deals are not illegal or immoral in my opinion.
Paying below legal wages is both.
@sickllama: It is about someone with a strong position exploiting a weaker party. One party in this relationship is holding a dominant position and regularly puts the other under undue duress. You have to realise most franchises are immigrants with poor knowledge of local laws and don't hold business degrees. This makes them an easy target. One interesting thing mentioned in the 4corners episode was that 7eleven "screens" potential franchises before offering them a franchise. They strongly implied that this was done to avoid someone like me and you to get in the organisation and expose that atrocities they were committing to the weaker segment of society.
@El Grande:
The onus is on the potential franchisee to do due diligence. If they don't know local laws the have no business being in business.@sickllama: Theoretically yes. But the legal system is built on the principle of fairness. It doesn't work like Oh gotcha! you should have had your lawyer read the fine print on Pg. 565 Sec 15 sub sec 49c. Unfair contracts formed by a dominant party can be set aside without much effort. I am not a lawyer but I have studied enough law in Uni to know how contracts work and what is enforceable and what is not. It is one thing to put it on the contract another to enforce it.
Sadly big corporations have big lawyers and large kitties and they crush the small mom and pop business. But any tribunal would look past these shenanigans.
I am not aware of any cases where 7/11 has forced franchisees to buy stores.
They know what they signed up for and if they decide to exploit some of the most vulnerable then they need to be brought to account. I certainly won't be spending my money at any 7/11 in Australia
Who needs the Kwik E Mart…
The Kwik-E-Mart is real…DOH!
In this day and age, especially in Australia with highly unionised workforce and minimum wages, systemic exploitation of staff by 7/11 is incomprehensible. This is at the core of their business practice and it looks like it has been happening for a long time. There is no way the owners does not know of this practice and still be able to line their pockets to the billions.
I get that certain franchisees will do the right thing, but till this is sorted we won't know who the black sheeps are. By boycotting 7/11, it will also pressure the corporation as they take 57% of the gross profit. Staff still gets paid regardless of the profit they make. If the business is untenable, franchisees have the option to sell it back to the franchiser.
7/11 won't get a cent from me until justice is served.
Aside from taking advantage of already financially strained international students (some students I know studying robotics are paying upwards of $15,000-20,000 per semester), I have a bigger problem with some d-bag Australian guy who is already a billionaire earning more money off the backs of wages slaves and regular Australians so he can buy more property and mansions.
Wage disparity is getting beyond retarded when the Australian Government knows about these practices, investigates them, finds fault, and then renders a useless slap-on-the-wrist fine after which its business as usual!
Meanwhile the upper management team are clearing millions of dollars each, and increasing their own personal wealth several orders of magnitude to the median workers wage.
If you have any shred of decency you will vote with your wallets and boycott till 7-11 Head Office is forced to act.
Excellent post! Spot on mate
Mate I hate to break it to you but it's ubiquitous I'd say over 50% of franchisees do it in Australia. Hungry Jacks, Donut King, Nandos on and on. Many small businesses as well such as Fish and Chips stores, I've worked in one that did and my best mate worked in another. Majority of stores in shopping centre food courts. Many restaurants. Fruit farms with back packers. Most inner city cafes. This has been happening for so long now. The ATO knows about it, the government knows about it and yet nothing ever changes and I fear it will be right back to the same shit in a years time. I will boycott &/11 and will be letting their head office know but I fear it will change little.
I think that there are fewer and fewer people who actually belong to unions is one of the issues. And, the blatant threats to unrepresented workers.
I used to work in Albert park 7-11, their strategy is on the payslip they will show $22 per hour but they will only show half of the hours. If you work for 20 hours per week they will pay you 10 hours and pay for 10 hours only. so you will be paid $11 per hour. I think it is now changed to $12. It's a big rip off. Mostly the overseas students who are vulnerable will be hired as they don't complain.
In the graveyard shifts total collections will be around $100 dollars if it not a busy store.
This rort is happening from ages as I used to work in 7-11 around 14 years ago and their strategy is same, "Pay for half the work hours with full pay"
Sorry to hear dpk.
If you have a record (e.g diary) contact fair work Australia and see if you can apply for back pay.
I love bargains, but I want the workers to get a fair go. I know they're not being forced to work there, but they hire a lot of migrant students who need work desperately.
Having seen the 4 corners expose, I have to vote negative due to major issues with the retailer/franchisor.
More extreme pyramid type business structures tend to lead to the exploitation of the most vulnerable. I'm sure it doesn't only apply to 7-eleven, but unless socially responsible people vote with their feet (and/or regulators receive sharper teeth) when such exploitation is revealed, we are effectively supporting such abhorrent practices. Honest franchisees who are struggling the most by paying full wages and a full 53% to head office will, unfortunately, suffer the most; but my view is that it is necessary for the greater good.
Is it halal?
I don't know, but let's just say that it's not Kosher
7-11, Home of the 40 hour week n the 20 hours of pay.
7-11; Work 7 days a week for $11 an hour.
THAT is funny.
Negging for unethical practices. For all those souls that have been underpaid by 7-11.
7-11 sandwiches are always worth $2 regardless of how much you pay for them. Anyway, you'll be better off spending your $2 to buy three packs of Indomie Goreng which is tastier, more nutritious, and more hygienic.
lol at the more nutritious part
It's a shame really. After all this, it's likely 7/11 won't run 24hr stores anymore in most areas. I'm an economic libertarian so I'm not particular for min wage but I definitely don't support companies deceiving staff into thinking what they're getting paid is legal and the norm when it's not. If they are willing to work for $10-12/hr if it were legal in certain industries then so be it. But obviously such a system won't work anytime soon and probably won't get much support (definitely not around a bargain based website).
I was speaking to one of the staff at my local 7eleven. He pointed out that most underpaying 7elevens (69% under pay according to 4corners) pay about $15 to $17 (very few exceptions pay about $12-13). Interestingly he mentioned BP and Caltex across the road were only paying $10 an hour. With United being the worst of the lot at $8-10. I think rather than targeting just 1 company there should be an industry wide crackdown. Yes the fuel prices will go up but I will gladly pay more knowing people were being paid fair wages.
Excellent post El Grande. You reported back from individuals that work in this environment. I agree 100% with your post!
our household has made many positive changes recently. We view each individual company on it's own merits, after doing this we have cut out many completely.
The vile ingredients in the sandwiches should be banned. Caged butchered meat stuck between 2 pieces of anemic bread. I'd neg this deal twice if possible.
I actually quite like the sandwiches. I just grabbed a couple of chicken Schnitzels myself.
The point is the system is unfair. Both the owner of the franchise and their staff are victims here. Bring on the class action I say. I would like to see Russell Withers and his sister pay through the nose for their plight.
Fair enough, I certainly agree with the second part, lets fight this. I feel using caged meat is unethical and disgusting, the same as using a person and underpaying them, It's all wrong mate. To lighten the mood lets say I'm doing a combo deal!
The parent company is from Japan. Boycott them!
I've already stopped eating their whale meat :D
I'm going to miss my Slurpee's and Krispy Kremes, but 7-Eleven can go to hell until they pay their workers a legal wage.
The wages come from poor and exploited franchisees. Russell Withers is sleeping tight with his billions. I would write an angry letter demanding better conditions for the workers and franchisees. This is Australia and everyone deserves a fair go.
Does everyone getting a fair go include the Australian animnals?
Well said. The less people that make their mouth a corpse or graveyard, the better.
Hungry Jack's Frozen drinks are the same if not better, and much cheaper. I'm not sure what doughnuts compare the best to Krispy Kreme (except a Rusty Brown's ring donuts, but I don't think that actually exists) but from the few times I've had them, I'm sure you are probably better off without them.
Lets skip the debate about whether or not the sandwiches are tasty, and focus on whether (ha!) or not! (ya!) 7-11 is ethical.
$2 Sandwiches at 7-11 are back !!! again, let the debate begin if they are tasty or not…
i'm guessing that they mightn't be as popular as last time :)
Bunch of scumbags!
Thanks that lunch sorted on Wednesdays in September
I also have to vote negative due to major issues with the retailer/franchisor. Considering they monitor each store with CCTV cameras, perhaps we should all go 7/11 and hold up signs and protest so the CEO can see.
Thanks for all the support guys. The boycott is working. It seems like they are starting to pay the correct wages. My employer just raised my pay to $20 per hour. All 7 Eleven employees owe the media and you guys a lot. I will reach Fairwork folks to try and get my back pay for the past 2 years.
Please remember to vote Labor or Greens who stand for fair work instead of the Liberals who want to take away your rights.
That is so not true, you make yourself look foolish saying it. I'm guessing you're a child?
It absolutely is true. People need to be more politically informed. If you care about worker's rights then there's no excuse for ever voting Lib. NEVER.
The last time the unemployment rate was as high as it is now was when Abbott was the (Un)employment minister.
Remember Workchoices?
http://www.cfmeunsw.asn.au/sites/cfmeunsw.asn.au/files/downl…
The Liberals care about those on a big pay packet.
They are good at sacking people and gutting health and education. Wait until you have a sick parent or child and you have long waiting times because of Abbott's cuts
http://m.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/bill-shorten-las…
Wait until you have a child who wants to better themselves through uni but can't afford it because of the huge debt they will face
http://www.nteu.org.au/defendourunis/article/Free-film-screenings-show-impact-of-$100,000-degrees-17687
This is a disgusting government that insults people who can't afford to buy a house and repeatedly lies.
These policies protecting low paying workers are by Fair Work Australia which Labor created and which parties like the Greens continue to stand for.
With the Liberals, you're on your own.
So it's ok to buy sandwiches now? :]
Only if they are cage free and corn fed.
Just out of curiousity, how much were you getting before you got the pay rise?
The chairman of the company was just on Radio national, saying that they are looking to payback anyone who was shortchanged, over the past 6 years.
we bought a sandwich pack from bp on monday. $7 they were. bloody ripoff. the pepsi was ok. $2 for a chilled 1.25l bottle.
we'll grab a few of these sandwich from 711 on our way to work. let's see if they taste as good as they're a bargain. if they are, then they can team up with a few of 711's $1-$3 cappuccino.
asian priced food in oz. sweet.
Well guys thats true they paid very less even they ask you to do free trainig for 2 weeks as well I used to fo when i came to Australia in 2008 the frenchasie owner was chinese and he said get training first for free because you are learning and the after training he said i will pay you $8 on tax at that time he was the owner at balmain nsw and i am sure he has more than one store now and still must be underpaying i did few days for free and when he said he is gonna pay me $8 on tax wow after that i didn't go there anymore and yeah one thing more while you are at work if someone filled up fuel tank and he didn't pay for it and ran away they deduct that money from there salary too after that i am never ever 7-11 fan
There are lots of business running those are underpaying staff specially overseas student and i feel really bad
as I need to have a legit reason to neg…. Price of sandwich due to wages
No Deal. At least not until they pay their staff.
Agreed. It's a neg here until they also back pay what they owe their staff.
Went onto this post to see why this deal is being highly negged; so it should be. What a disgrace.
I love it when OzBargain descends into one of its narrow ethics debates. So many of the folk negging this deal are the same people who up-vote the crap out of a 50c gadget from China made by staff working in unsafe, sweatshop-like conditions on less than a dollar a day. The hypocrisy, at times, can be kind of breathtaking. Is it finally time for a two part (deal rating / ethics rating) voting system?
I guess their compassion doesnt extend beyond the geographic borders of Australia. If they're in China, who cares?
I wish to be exempt from the many, please and thank you kind sir.
Wonder what tax 7-11 is paying in Australia?
Might be more than Apple and Google, and I am not joking.
Not at the expense of workers. No more 7-11 purchases for me until this is rectified.
No one is forcing the staff to work for the lower wages. I am sure the staff have their own reasons for continuing to work there. It is not like the staff are innocent 15 year olds.
And to think that the Victorian Government (under different governments) expect you to immediately get off the tram and walk to the nearest 7/11 to buy another or to top up your Myki if yours doesn't work because there are not ticketing facilities on trams.
Auto top up your myki. Never need to walk into a store again.
Except when the auto topup fails without telling you until you get to the touch-on machine. I've had that fun before.
I find it funny how big this issue has been made into. Nearly every small asian business I know pay their staff around $10 and they are worked like dogs. It's not ethical but what do you expect when people want cheap products/foods? This issue is quite common but you never hear it in the media
Yes, but 7-11 is a symbol that people can rally against.
There's no moral outrage about Chen's dumpling shop in box Hill because it's not a recognisable symbol of capitalism like these mofos are.
And he can't park his new S Class out the front of the shop so the public would never know……
There are many other factors other than wages to make cheap products like using better techniques and technical equipment, lower rents, lower interest on credit and lower profit as well. If none of this is possible then you should not be in a business that exploits human labour because eventually that is bound to fail anyway but after taking down human lives to miserable levels. The best wages for any business is always going to be 0.
@wry19890413: In that case you guys should start a campaign. I have a cool name for it. Wait for it.
Drop The 7!!
Get it? Drop 7% share and make it an equal 50-50%. Also it reads 7Eleven :D