Neighbour's nightmare, owner's pride.. The MUTEKI !!!! The shortcut for getting evicted…
2450W RMS power with 2 x 30cm subwoofers; 3 HDMI inputs for your Blu-ray player, gaming console and recording device; Play music from your Smartphone using NFC and Bluetooth; USB input for music playback and AM/FM tuner
Most people would have trouble finding space, this is a huge setup
Yes this system truly is the massive exhaust and self-spinning mag wheels of the hifi world… way over the top and f**king hideous
cant fault it for that price
I can. I had one of these years ago. They distort and sound like balls. I sold them and ended up getting Logitech Z623. I was dumbfounded how a 2.1 speaker set up could sound louder and cleaner than this monstrosity… for $600 less.
You can even get the 5.1 version of the Logitechs if you really like having multiple speakers all over the room.
Haters gonna hate this post but I'm telling you these are cheap sh**t rubbish speakers.
I have the Z623, they sound good for the price but they lack treble.
But Megan told me it's all about the bass…
I am confuse…
I have the Z623 too, the lack of treble is due to the fake tweeters.
More bass helps you stay out of treble!
Agree. My brother had one, the speakers are as weak as piss and sound like poo.
In 1997 I would have been all over this. In 2017 I prefer a more subtle system.
Also:
Theater
In Oz I believe it's Theatre
This is why some people shouldn't be given the vote.
Here, have a + on me.
Thanks scabby. I can always rely on you
I had this a while back, but got rid of it due to it's size.
How is the sound quality?
Really good!
Note: I'm not much of an audiophile - I care more about lower frequencies than higher ones.
Interestingly those 'audiophiles' are actually a lot more interested in the mids. Big 'boomy' Bass & 'glassy' Treble are pretty easy to achieve for not much money but it's getting those balanced properly with controlled Midrange that's more of an issue. In saying that though, if you like EDM or other bass & treble heavy music then yeah there are lots of systems available to suit. Absolutely each to their own when it comes to audio!
@SteveAndBelle: mids are particularly and issue for home theatre otherwise you can never hear what anyone is saying over other sound. This was the issue I had with my creative 2.1 setup, sounded great apart from that.
But yeah EDM all the way, no one actually sends snail mail anymore do they?
Did it clash with your hair?
That picture is sooo old. I actually have a comb-over now :P
Its a huge setup, more than 100 kg i guess. The bass can bring earthquake, i returned mine after it caused few Tsunami warnings on the coastal area i live in.
If Dr Dre made surround sound
it would have been 3 times more expensive
It was $500 at Greys Online previously > http://www.graysonline.com/retail/HTM7-R/audio-tv-and-home-t…
A system of this size and power seems like overkill for most people's living rooms. Personally I'd go for higher quality speakers that sound great at moderate listening levels. Had a 5.1 setup but didn't like the cable clutter and speakers hanging out everywhere. Now I'm using a 2.1 setup with a quality set of stereo speakers and subwoofer - small, unobtrusive, reasonably powerful and it keeps the parents from whinging. Don't miss the surround sound that much.
A system this size is awesome bang for buck though. Can see these systems being popular in bachelor pads. 'Football mode' though - seriously?
They obviously designed this system with Joe Sixpack in mind.
100WRMS total is enough for most people's living rooms. I have a yamaha setup with 120W/channel and the volume never goes past about 25%. If I turned it up all the way I think you'd hear it from the end of the street.
Shit system why? Its big if you want to show off to your friends but the speakers sound below average, some small speakers with a good sub can produce better sound.
Are Sony returbs generally good quality?
I bought a soundbar refurb from Sony, the box was buggered but the actual hardware looked brand new (also had original packaging and plastic film) the only thing missing was the AA batteries for the remote
Honestly I think the mods are being abit tough on me there but sorry if I crossed a line, I viewed it as aussy humor…
Would love to know what you said to my comment below. I'm not offended easily. Feel free to PM
He was just having a dig at my typo.
I've owned the original Muteki since 2008. Apart from the HDMI 1 port dying (so I bought a Yamaha RX-v671 to replace it) and then a sub blew (not sure if because the Yamaha couldn't handle two), it's still going strong. I bought thicker speaker cable from Selby Accoustics too, which noticeably improved the sound quality.
All up it's a great starter if you're looking for a (profanity) off large system.
Nb: I enquired to fix the amp and sub both through sony and 3rd party but it wasn't worthwhile.
Anyone who knows ANYTHING about sound will laugh at his pile
Can you show us something better for $640 mate or are you just a time waster?
Anyone who has a FERRARI will laugh at a ford rx6
This thing will sound shit. Sound quality is not determined by simply how loud it goes. Otherwise we'd all have those PA speakers in our lounge rooms.
Thanks placard for clueing Putnum in for me, clearly no easy task but saved me some effort
Go on Gumtree, you'll see why there is a lot of these for sale.
Completely off topic, but god knows why someone at Gumtree decided they needed a facelift…
Go on gumtree and find someone selling their decent setup used. My top of the line Yamaha setup from 2008 was $300 (RRP in 2008 was over $3k).
So your logic is to buy decade old equipment instead. That's a hard sell but I understand your reasoning.
@Putnum: Speaker and amplifier designs haven't really improved much in that time. The technology in the receivers has gotten better - decent sound gear is still decent.
Putnumb needs all the advice he can get in this area
@PutnumIt is great advice actually. Audio seems to be one area going backwards over time, except modern DACs and some surround features
Some speaker and amplifiers have actually gone backwards - cheaper components, more about gimmicky features.
Give me a decent 2 channel setup from the 90s any day - I actually scour ebay for second hand amps - people want them gone thinking they are old crap, quite the opposite!
I'm impressed with the free postage
wow.. it is a bargain!
I have this system… it rattled tiles loose from my roof… I was very happy with the system, but it IS BIG… so big, it won't fit in the lounge of my new rental…
pretty crap system. big in size, low in audio quality. If you want cheap crap that sounds like ass go for it
How can companies get away with BS like this?
2450 watts RMS (even at 10% distortion, which is what they quote) is not only extremely unlikely, it's more power than you're allowed to draw from a standard mains power point.
Hey smart guy! It's not 2.4kW @ 240v. There's where your math is broken :)
There's where your math is broken
Power is the rate at which energy is generated or consumed and is measured in units (e.g. watts) that represent energy per unit time.
In any system, the laws of physics and thermodynamics state that you can't get more power out of a system than you put in, and most times you can't even get the same amount out as you put in.
If you have an amplifier producing 2450 watts of audio power, it has to consume at least 2450 watts of mains power.
It's not 2.4kW @ 240v
Of course it is! Watts is just a measure of power.
Power out = power in - losses.
Sigh…. https://store.sony.com.au/HTM77.html under Details section - Amp uses <200watts @ 240v.
This is then converted (Amplified, interesting word!) to that 2.4kW output.
Think about it another way. How do car amps push out 1000+ watts out of a 12v battery? No one's trying to get more power than it gets put in. It's just converted to a different voltage/current. Your logic is flawed.
Sorry pjetson… if you think this outputs 240V to its speakers then you may need to have a little think about things :) For example, pushing an 8Ohm speaker capable of 1000W (that's RMS, so 10,000W in 'Sony' spec!) up near its maximum would 'only' require around 90V. Chuck a multimeter switched to AC volts on the speaker output of your own system and see for yourself! Most 'normal' listening levels for home systems would probably only see around 10-20V.
@XeSSiV: P = VA. You can't get more power out of something than you put into it (unless you store and rapidly discharge). You can use a transformer to get more amps, or higher volts, but you can't get more power.
You know what they say about a little bit of knowledge. You know the terms volt, amp, and watt, but you don't understand what they mean.
Think about it another way. How do car amps push out 1000+ watts out of a 12v battery?
If they're actually pushing out 1000W constantly, then they're pulling ~75A out of the 13.5V rail (of course they're not, which is what pjetson was saying).
@XeSSiV: OK I'm convinced you're trolling but I'm going to bite for the uninformed but otherwise intelligent people reading this thread. Watts = Voltage * Amps. Whenever you convert voltage the amps change to suit. It's still the same amount of Power but as the voltage goes down the Current (Amps) go up. Not possible to argue, it's the most basic fundamentals of electronic systems. There's complications for AC and speakers (which are AC) but good enough for the basics.
As for cars, 1000W out of 12V is easy, you just need 83A. Not uncommon to run that kind of current in a high end car audio setup. Your normal car battery has a "CCA" cranking amps rating of 400-500+. so ~100A is fine for the bass drops plus your alternator is also usually rated itself at 50-100A. As a related rating, your starter motor is also rated around 1kW (1000W) - you're literally loading the car's power system to that kind of level every time you start the car.
That's all I can be bothered explaining for now but long story short you can't output more power than is input into the system. The reason they get away with these stupid ratings is because its some kind of fantasy land peak rating for 0.1s and then multiplied by 4 for good marketing practice. While marketing is fine these ratings are absolutely meaningless and are about as useful as Schweppes or Coca-cola being stamped on a bottle of water.
@lathiat: Oh dear, this has escalated slightly. I'm not trolling mate. I was trying to put my point across that it IS possible to pull 1000W+ from a car battery. I do know that it should also be measured in amps to get more realistic figures. I think I just explained myself poorly. Sorry about the confusion!
@SteveAndBelle: There's some very funny ideas going around here. Your calculations are correct, but your answer isn't.
if you think this outputs 240V to its speakers then you may need to have a little think about things
Since I don't think that, let's not worry about it.
Where is your 11-odd amps at 90v (to get your approx 1000 watts) coming from? It's coming from the mains, right?
If we assume that the transformer is 100% efficient (it isn't), then to convert 240 volts to 90 volts, we need to divide by about 2.6. Still with me?
Since we divided the voltage by 2.6, we also need to divide the 11-odd amps by 2.6 as well, which gives us about 4 amps.
So, to create about 11 amps at 90 volts from the mains, we end up needing to supply 240 volts at about 4 amps. And, converting both voltages and currents to watts, we find that about 11 amps at 90 volts AND 240 volts at about 4 amps, are both about 1000 watts!
Fancy that!
I really hope that you can see that if you want 1000 watts out of a system, you have to put 1000 watts in, regardless of the actual voltages or currents.
@XeSSiV: Who said you can't pull 1000+ watts out of a car battery? As macrocephalic said, you'd be drawing about 75 amps. And, if you want to pull 1000+ watts out of the 240v mains, you'd be drawing a bit more than 4 amps.
In both cases, you're drawing the same amount of power - 1000 watts.
So, if your amplifier is outputting 1000 watts and was connected to a car battery, it'd be drawing 1000 watts.
And if your amplifier is outputting 1000 watts and was connected to the mains, it'd still be drawing 1000 watts.
It's not rocket science, guys!
A little knowledge can be dangerous
Sigh…. https://store.sony.com.au/HTM77.html under Details section - Amp uses <200watts @ 240v.
"Sigh" is right. How can they possibly be outputting 2450 watts if they're only putting 200 watts in?
This is then converted (Amplified, interesting word!) to that 2.4kW output
When you amplify something, you increase its power. But you can't do it "for free", the extra power has to come from somewhere. Where do you think it comes from?
@pjetson: Sorry, I misunderstood you then. In your reply to XeSSiV above I thought you were trying to say that the speakers were running at 240V hence my reply. All good.
The manual lists 30% THD 😩
Imagine the power output at 99% THD… whoa! I'd say it's be close to 1.21 Gigawatts :p
Oh cool, I'm shipping one of these to my neighbours, just to screw myself.
Definitely overkill and not worth it. I had the 5.1 and believe me, sound quality is really sub par, plus struggled fitting it in a 5 x 8 living area, if you have a bigger space than me, go nuts. Now using a Bose soundbar and you can notice the quality of sound increasing. I probably won't piss the neighbours off with the soundbar, but I'm happy with that I guess.
MUTEKI = Japanese for GTFO
It actually means invincible
hence invincible = GTFO?! ;)
My neighbour's ears are invincible!
Let's be honest, that pic is really Pink Floyd's touring PA setup…
Oh man "Dark Side" on that sucker …
Ninja and Yolandi Visser approves :P
If only it went to eleven, I would buy one.
The technology was introduced in 1984, I don't know why manufacturers are not utilizing it.
The cost to speaker ratio should put anyone off. It's ridiculous cheap and the sound will match. Better off looking at Pioneer's towers and a 2nd hand amp. Even a 2.1 bookshelf system would be better.
It's a great entry level system for HT and if you have the space.
I wouldn't believe the power figures though. Power is not standardised and highly exaggerated across the HT/Hifi world. However it has decent power for listening enjoyment.
It is an entry step for many novice audiophiles after discovering that eventually they wish to have a better system/setup/clarity.
The only issue is that it might take time to sell second hand due to its size and space requirements,
I have seen heaps on Gumtree but TBH, sellers offering more than this price advertised.
Great price for what it is!
Power is not standardised
They're claiming RMS, and not PMPO or "Music Power" or something equally fanciful.
I'd argue that RMS power is standardised, and Sony are simply knowingly lying.
Agree.
I would assume that they are "collectively" adding the RMS power (although still not accurate) across all the speakers just to lure in the customer.
IMO, it is primarily targeted to the younger "doof, doof" culture, that likes to hear the music so loud that it is beyond a level of clipping their system.
But for that price … it is still OK, considering it is highly exaggerated.
I agree with your sentiments as many companies lie with their specifications. Not only in power.
Cheers
The reviews on ebay are pretty positive so it cant be that bad can it. It looks big and bold but i wouldnt say it looks ugly.
The Ferraris are better mate
I think this is the very first time I've ever heard of anybody bothering to read the reviews on ebay…
I have one in my 6x4m media room, size no issue, sound cant complain good movie and sport experience, neighbour no issue #acreage 😂
I've got one of these https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/602627-REG/Yamaha_YHT… for my small home office which has my 60" Bravia in it and it's more than enough (and would be for a much larger room) when it comes to sound and Bass.
This Muteki stuff is bloody overkill and then some……
Can we all agree that this was the best bargain of 2017
Yes its a big system, but you dont haveto use every speaker. You can just setup the two main stereo speakers and not bother with all the surround units
Sony's been diverting investment from their R&D department and funneling the funds into their marketing department.
That's the only explanation for all these bizarre product names like 'Muteki'.
Bizzare to you, totally normall for the target demographic :)
I personally prefer a more subtle set of speakers but if you want everything BIG and LOUD, muteki is the way to go.