I Tried to Return a Product and I've Got a Life Threat

Recently, I bought a Lifeproof case for my Samsung S8, from Dr. Boom store, located on Bourke St, on Melbourne CBD.
I didn’t try the case in the store, because you are not allowed to do that (I should’ve left the store right there, but instead I purchased the $100 case). I tried the case at home, only to realize it wasn’t a good fit for my phone, the edges where inaccessible, and it felt wobbly inside the case.

Due to work obligations I had to postpone my visit to the CBD to return the case for a few weeks. But I put it back in the original packaging, which is in as new condition.

Before returning to the store, I called the number on the receipt, to ensure an expediated service upon arrival, I explained my situation, they said no problem and connected me to the store, so I could talk directly with them.

Immediately the store clerk said they have a 14-day return policy, I replied Australian law grants 90 day. She said that is a rule of the store and is only 14 days. Short story she wouldn’t budge so I called head office again. After a short conversation they said they will call me in a few minutes.

I receive a call from another store clerk saying no problem, if the product is still in the package and you have the receipt you can return it, I agreed and attend the store after work.

At the store, I was received by both clerks, one of them was quick to say she wouldn’t return the product because it is store policy, again a lot of back and forth, I pointed out, even the receipt says: Store policies can’t contravene Australian laws. One of the clerks concluded: there is nothing we can do, that is Head Office’s order. While the other had the nerve to say You and your laws mean nothing to me. Kind of frustrated and tired of the argument I left the store and called head office again. Explained my situation again.

After an hour of me waiting outside the store I received a call from a Service Manager, who didn’t give me his name.

He made the point that maybe the case is defective, and he could send it back to Lifeproof, to be checked. I wasn’t happy with the solution because it would take an enormous amount of time, so I told him I will reluctantly agree on sending it to the factory, but I will rate his service and describe the treatment I’ve received from the staff at the Bourke St. store, on many forums on internet. He said with these exact words:

“If you say one word about my store online, I have your details, I will find your house and I will go and brake both your arms, if you say anything of this on the Internet I will put you in a bag”.

He then proceeded to hang up on me, I tried to call back to get his name, but now the operator refuses to give me those details.

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Comments

  • +57

    Underbelly episodes….

    • +10

      ROFL.

      User created 2 days ago. Never come back - Probably dead already.

      Jokes aside.

      Makes a weird post and never even follows up.

      Ozbargainers go nuts, with all sorts of opinions.

      FAKE NEWS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!

    • +16

      Just tagging on to the top comment here to note the store responded via google reviews 3 hours ago:


      Dr Boom says NO MORE to Cyber Bullies like Ricardo Cuevas.

      There are forums for consumer complaints to be heard and social media or the internet is not one of them

      Our Bourke Street Google Review page has been bombarded by a spate of 1 star reviews instigated by a Mr Ricardo Cuevas.

      Mr Cuevas is a Cyber Bully, a liar and an extortionist he was declined a refund and didn't like it so threatened our office in writing with this very conduct and made up fanciful unsubstantiated stories if he didn't get his way, this was after he verbally threatened and abused our young female staff member in store.

      If you are a legitimate Dr Boom Customer then please post your receipt number onto this review, email us your contact details through our web contact page and we will arrange for $100.00 to be deposited into your nominated account within 24 hours with our thanks and sincere apologies and if you do not or can not then you are just another Cyber Bully with a pack mentality like Mr Ricardo Cuevas, have clearly never even shopped at our store and are as much a liar as your friend and hope you don't set this type of example to your children or young acquaintances or in your workplace because it's Cyber Bullying whichever way you want to justify it and it should not be tolerated.

      • +44

        What a fascinating turnaround. Only problem is the one star reviews are from months and over a year back. Looks like there is consistent bad customer service.

        • +6

          A lot of one star reviews, with the same intermittent cut and paste responses from Dr Boom's crusade to stop cyber bullies like…….

          Something's off…..?

        • +3

          Holy profanity profanity!
          Did the business just dox the customer?
          Thanks Op for exposing these scams. Looks like the same story is going on at all their branches. Shithole business if you ask me

      • +7

        Some of those new google reviews are hands down hilarious.

      • +2

        seems like a deal, whats my minimum purchase to receive the $100 bonus offer? :p

      • +13

        Wow. That is defamation if I ever saw it. "Mr Ricardo Cuevas" can sue them for quite a big sum.

        Edit: These guys are leaking purchase information all over that site. Holy (profanity) are they 5 years old? All it would take is someone with a wiff of law knowledge to shut these guys down.

        • +1

          Link?

        • +1

          @Catchy: Front page of this thread had it I think.

      • As a few have pointed out, bad reviews on all their stores go back months and years, seems like they are just a shitty place to deal with…

      • Shithole business

  • +73

    I doubt you would have recorded this conversation. But this sound like something that you should report to the police. You have to understand though that you don’t have any evidence however the police will still have to file this report and who knows maybe there have been previous complaints also about this store.

    • +2

      And this is why i'm annoyed at Android killing off the call-recording apps.
      Bloody Hell Google ! They were useful! :(

        • That looks good, just wondering if there are any good ones for iphone as well? I had a look on the app store but all the 'automatic' ones don't seem to have many reviews so i'm a bit skeptical to pay.

        • +3

          just a quick note, this app doesn't work on the new Samsung galaxy s9 or s9+ currently.
          Im a big fan of ACR and have used it for a long time but after recently upgrading phones I discovered when I playback recordings I can only hear my voice, no sound from the other person on the call.

          https://bitbucket.org/copluk/acr/issues/1839/

      • +1

        I hadnt heard anything about google killing off these apps? The apps all appear to be in the store currently.

      • +6

        I use this app called "Callrecorder" it works fine. Its the best !!

      • Hmm I'll check it out. Last time I tried on my phone, Google had killed off one of the audio recording types in Android .. 6 I think.

        So that it is not possible to record incoming audio because that media thingo is system reserved. .

        But I'll give that app a go. Maybe it found a work around

      • +1
      • Hooray.
        Thanks ozbargain for making me retry

        I gave this app a go and it worked on my moto z

        https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nll.acr

        • +4

          Check your state law. Victoria is a single party consent state for recording. Not sure about other state

        • +1

          @Wiede:

          I think NSW is also one party, as long as the purpose of the call is to preserve your rights under law (eg safety, consumer guarantees, verbal agreements).

          Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong though.

      • Google can't do shit. If it's in the hardware, we can use it (one way or another).

      • I have a sound recorder app. If I want to record a call, I turn it on, and make a call in a silent room with the call on speaker. Works every time.

      • What are you on about? There are heaps of android call recording apps.

      • +1

        Not in Qld. Only need one party consent.

        • +1

          What if you use a PC to make and record the call, it's not a telephone.

      • +13

        While it's ringing, you could say "this call may be recorded for training purposes".

      • And yet current affair shows do it all the time.

        • You always hear beeps in these recordings which is a notification to the other party that they are being recorded.

        • @mattyman:

          please show me where it says in the law, that one party may play a beep and everyone knows they are being recorded.

          The beeps are for dramatic purposes, they mean nothing legally.

      • +3

        What if you’re a 3rd party recording the call in an Uber?!

        • +1

          Karl agrees

        • Banks record calls all the time, doesnt seem to be a legal problem for them after notification. Well if your part of a uber call your not really a 3rd party. Just do a beep like our friend mattyman suggests.

        • +1

          @diddy50:
          karl stefanovich knows all!

      • Legal to record in VIC as long as you are a party to the conversation.

    • File police report, police ask Head office for staff details, head office asks the branch store wtf,then maybe there is a staff member that works and dislikes the person who made the treats and confirms the story with head office.

      Next thing you know you have broken arms, from disgruntled ex Dr boom employee :)

  • +70

    Tell him he has no details and you know where at least one of his shops are.

    Man, I live for death threats. They're hilarious. Having been in the company of some bad eggs, I can tell you, people with the capacity to do harm do not make threats.

    PS. He probably got worked up so badly after making all these threats he had to hang up and take a safe space time out to bust out a teary.

    • +15

      Death threats make me giggle a bit. I've gotten shittonnes of them as a pub manager, some even backed up by weapons being drawn, still here though.

      • +5

        I used to work in a public hospital. I'd call idiot patients idiots. Do no harm doesn't include hurt feelings.

        Some of these characters think they're pulling a Walter White on me but they shit themselves when I call them out for smoking a joint or trying score some pain meds.

        So many threats, foul words, derogatory statements, name dropping… Typically starts when they're close to the door and they can get a few loud words in before the door closes.

        • +3

          I love it when they give threat about bashing me, so I get closer and say go for it, and about 90% of the time its all talk.

          Especially the 18-20 year olds, all talk, especially when they don't have a heap of mates to back them up.

        • +15

          @AdosHouse:
          Watch out for the Meth up kids though. They don't make threats. They're incoherent and abusive (it's a hard combo to pull off) but they come straight at you.

        • +4

          @tshow:

          Yeah we watch out for them. So much drugs these day.

        • +20

          @AdosHouse:

          So 10% of the time you’ve been bashed up?

        • +5

          @methdd:

          Mate what makes you think I get bashed up? Just because they throw fists doesn't mean I just stand there and take it like a punching bag. I've been hit plenty of time though, an unfortunate part of the job.

        • +2

          No way I'd do that.

          I was at Eastern Health last year when patrick pritzwald-stegmann got killed last year, and that neurosurgeon almost died from a stabbing at western a few years prior. I have no surgical aspirations but there's no way I'd put myself in harm's way.

        • -3

          @AdosHouse:

          the other 10% you got rekt?

        • @AdosHouse:

          But you said you get in close and let them hit you. So is it a bluff to catch another bluff>?

        • @centrelink:

          I never said I let them hit me.

      • +8

        Talkers never shoot, and shooters never talk.

    • +18

      A lot of people here advocating brushing off threats of personal violence - it's all very well to call their bluff if you're a single male, but if you have a (young) family things tend to look different..

      • I wholeheartedly agree.

        I'm saying that these threats are usually empty and I guess some people take that as they can resume being blase about their personal safety.

      • -3

        Really? Shit. I've been parenting wrong then. I pray for drama some days…

    • That's so true. People who break arms, just break arms. Talking about it gets them into trouble.

  • +46

    Well, that escalated quickly

    • +43

      Am I the only one who always read your username as Spaceback?

      • Nope me too and wow its realy doing my head in - so much so I just googled to try and prove it was indeed spackback and the handle was changed…

        …but no from over a year ago https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/262029#comment-3934684

        @spacebace you've changed man

        • +2

          So is it spackback, spacebace or spackbace?

          You've left me with too many options :)

        • +2

          @pennypincher98:
          wow it is Spackbace - my brain nolonger trusts my eyes.

          "spackback" - lol - am tempted to edit my comment above so it makes sense but feel it's better as is!

        • +1

          @nith265: yeah, you totally confused me and for a second I thought it was "Spackback".

          My head is spinning @@@@@@@@@@@@!!!

        • spackback

          Why is this making me laugh so much

      • +4

        Its Backspace yo

      • Space bags?

      • Wow, you've opened my eyes too!

    • Waiting for the next version: Slackbash.

      • Backwash

  • +4

    Is now a time to mention “bikies”?

    Get your case issue sorted and once it is, get on the internets and rate, comment and opinion on their store wherever you can (but keep it on point, polite and factual). Make sure you install a phone conversation recorder app and when he rings you back to threaten you again, take that to the police station.

    • +29

      Fekin hell mate. Have you not watched a single movie? If you bring the fuzz into the equation you're sure to see some retribution dude.

      Tomorrow's headlines be like, "man found dead next to lifeproof case opens murder case"

      • +1

        Man found choked by lifeproof case.

        • +2

          Death by LifeProof case.

          There is combination overload for the pun oppurtunity on this.

        • @tshow:
          Police investigating the case of death by LifeProof case

        • +2

          @Kangal:
          Warranty issues Warrants issued but phone suspects don't fit.

        • +5

          @tshow: Phone is fine.

        • @Meconium: It had its moment. Let it die.

        • +1

          @Trishool:

          Let it die

          Fitting word choice given the thread.

  • +25

    the store clerk said they have a 14-day return policy, I replied Australian law grants 90 day

    What this a change of mind or was it considered a major fault? Was the item listed as a suitable accessory to the s8?

  • +3

    Australian law always trumps store policy, report em to the accc, and contact the police regarding the threat, however i doubt they will do anything about it.

    • +2

      I reported someone who sent me nasty texts to the NSW police online, forgot if it was a regular reporting site or digital bullying but after a while they actually called me back and said that they talked with the person who was harassing me and he apologized and wouldn't do that again. I didn't attached screenshots of the texts though.

    • +2

      For a second I thought you said Trump's Store Policy. Would be great to see Trump open up a store just to see his policies.

      • +5

        Trump store would be 'no Mexican customers, American made products only'

        • +5

          Donald and Ivanka Trump's clothing range are made in China, Vietnam and parts of Africa.

          They don't support American made. That's for suckers to follow

      • +1

        Did someone say Trump's store =)

        I'll just leave this here, its a good watch

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVh_wGJWn3c

  • +20

    And the wait begins to see if he carries through with his threat….

    Shame op won't be able to post a followup if he does.

    • +9

      He will be the first man killed over a phone case. We'll get the follow up through mainstream media.

      Not that we think it will actually happen but who knows. Times are tough. Word is there's a new cartel on block and they're dishing out Colombian neckties to anyone who leaves bad reviews over consumer law infringements.

  • +1

    He sounds like a Liam Neeson wannabe.

    • I read on… (Shit, I'm trying name some pop culture magazine but drawing a blank)… Facebook that Liam ventured into more lucrative territory - phone cases.

  • +15

    Doesn't sound like an isolated incident based on the reviews online… I'd still leave a 1 star review. HOWEVER

    the store clerk said they have a 14-day return policy, I replied Australian law grants 90 day.

    Correct me If I'm wrong but does it? For change of mind?

    https://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/products-and-services/busine…

    Unless the product was faulty they didn't have to take it back at all. Did you buy a genuine lifeproof case? They are normally excellent cases and I know many that swear by them.

    • +8

      No the ACL does not advise a 90 day return policy.

      The ACL does not apply to change of mind purchases. It only applies for items that are defective, ie you wouldnt have purchased it if you had been aware of the defect.

      In OP's case, it appears that he bought a case for an S8 and the case does not appear fit for purpose. Hence the consumer guarantees apply.

      Enforcing your consumer guarantees however is a completely different story.

      • +9

        I don't condone the store's behaviour but the OP's story doesn't match up.

        If the OP wanted to claim the case was defective and not fit for purpose, they should have gone in with the intention of getting a replacement not trying to return it for a change of mind like the story infers.

        The store staff were arguing against the 14 day change of mind policy not the ACL as far as I can see. It is clearly not acceptable for the manager to threaten to "put you in a bag" and I'd be reporting this to the police. From the other reviews it may not be the first time and it could give them reason to investigate.

        • +2

          Maybe OP misunderstood? Maybe the manager said he'll put the case in a nice bag and give it to him?

        • I'd say the OP simply didn't know the law (but thought they did). The OP had a right to return it as it clearly sounds defective. A phone case which doesn't fit would be a major failure allowing the customer to choose a remedy including refund.

          Chances are if the case didn't fit, replacing it probably wouldn't have done the trick either.

        • -1

          @SirFlibbled: The Business is allowed to do a repair in the first instance. That’s what many people don’t get.

          You can only get a refund if it can’t be replaced or repaired.

        • @knick007: The ACL doesn't state a business is allowed to do a repair in first instance. It's not that people don't 'get it'. It's just that your understanding of the ACL is incorrect.

          What the ACL says is if the item has a minor failure (if there is a fault) the store has a choice of remedy or replacement or repair. If the item has a major failure, then the CUSTOMER has the choice.

          A major failure is where:
          * it has a problem that would have stopped someone from buying it if they’d known about it
          * it is unsafe
          * it is significantly different from the sample or description
          * it doesn’t do what the business said it would, or what you asked for and can’t easily be fixed.

          The OP bought a phone cover specifically for an S8. It does not fit an S8. It is 'significantly different from the sample or description' and would be a major failure.

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