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Baccarat Artisan Finster 7Piece/Stahi 6Pieces German Steel Knife Block $64 / $56 Delivered (RRP$400-$450) @ House / House eBay

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Baccarat Artisan Stahl 6 Piece German Steel Knife Block via Code Extra20 $64 (+Shipping/ Spend $89 shipped)
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Baccarat Artisan Finster 7-Piece German Steel Knife Block Black
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Baccarat Artisan Stahl 6 Piece German Steel Knife Block
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Baccarat Artisan Finster 7-Piece German Steel Knife Block Black
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  • +5 votes

    Present sorted. Thanks OP.

    Edit. Paid 54$ at ebay.

  • +12 votes

    Is this a good price? With the RRP price of these knives being way overpriced, it's hard to tell.

  • -3 votes

    Much better option than the Victorinox set as the steel runs the length of the whole knife, and is riveted to the handle. Also has a lifetime guarantee. I bought the Sabre Set for $126 (with P30STYLE), before the price went back up, plus some extra matching steak knives from Catch and some glasses with a $15 off coupon.

    Also bought a Baccarat Cleaver using a $20 eBay voucher which I want to affix to the back of the wooden block somehow. Maybe with a thin magnet.

    My only concern is dust, so I think I'll keep them in the cupboard.

    • +11 votes

      Really Victoria ox is a better brand though that chefs use. These look pretttier thought

    • +5 votes

      You’ve got to be joking better they are better then Victorinox 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

      Surely you can’t be serious

      I have a wooden ruler that’s sharper then baccarat

      Life’s time warranty 🙃

    • +3 votes

      The tang isn't as important as you might think. You'll find a lot of japanese knives are partial tang only.

      Although, doing some research, it appears that victorinox are also full tang, they've just hidden it under that godawful (but very grippy and utilitarian) handle, see the rosewood variant. Baccarat uses low end steel, and while you'll find people saying that victorinox blades are soft, they're still significantly harder than anything you'll find baccarat using. The thing to keep in mind is, Baccarat is good at making pots and pans, not knives.

      Their knives are pretty, and using steel not dissimilar to the ones you'll find in colesworth. The thing is, Baccarat is marketed to people who've never owned a good knife. It is indeed a step up from the never been sharpened dull AF knives I'm sure all out parents had. I have a Baccarat set I picked up from when I first moved out, and I was pretty happy with it. Then one of my chef friends gave me a victorinox as a gift. Worlds different. I picked up a Tojiro Flash a while ago, and I'll never go back. I tried a little while ago, and you have to sharpen the Baccarat practically every month to maintain the edge either of my other knives can keep for 6 months to a year.

    • +1 vote

      A lifetime guarantee doesn't mean they wont go dull. I'm no metallurgist, but something tells me the steel used here is not one that holds and edge all that long. And at $10/knife you're probably not going to be bothered to sharpen them given the price of the appropriate tools to do so. So I'm not really sure there's much of a difference between a 25 year "guarantee" and a 5 year one in this case.

  • +1 vote

    I have this but one of the knives tip has snapped which I don’t remember how. I like the scissors included in the set though.

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      Surprising given that German knives generally use a softer steel than Japanese and typically that prevents these kinds of issues. Just means they don't hold their sharp edge as long though

      • +13 votes

        They aren't German knives. They are made in China by a brand based in Hong Kong. The steel comes from Germany, apparently, but how would you know? It's probably just marketing made from Chinese steel.

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    The Id3 egg 9 piece is a steat at $279 eBay house

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      How do the knives compare to the global sets. I have the 4 piece global block and the global cleaver separate. I'd happily sell my 4 piece block if these were better/similar quality.

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        Not sure I have the 7 piece egg but just upgraddd to the 9

      • +2 votes

        Global are actually good.

        • +3 votes

          Global are actually made in Japan unlike Baccarat. I'd bet they are better knives, but I can't be sure.

        • +1 vote

          Yes, and I'm very happy with my set but I do love those knife blocks and do find myself lacking a few knives know and then, hence entertaining the idea.

          Thoughts are to buy a bread knife and a couple of others I've found wanting for and just get a bigger block separately.

          I also like that the global set I have are all metal so no separate pieces to the handle and they also balance nicely in the hand.

      • +2 votes

        *another vote for global over baccarat

        Next step up from global would be something like trident classic. Totally different ergonomics and balance though.

      • +1 vote

        Global a hundred times better I have a wooden ruler that’s sharper then baccarat

      • +3 votes

        Global is an established brand that is known for decent quality knives. They use cromova18 steel which takes and holds a decent edge and is relatively hard wearing.

        Baccarat is a brand that seems to source pretty looking knives made of mystery steel (ambiguously marketed as “German steel” or “japanese steel”) made in China advertised with ridiculous RRPs largely targeted at someone who wants a good looking knife set for display purposes. Though they aren’t likely to chip (due to the softer steels used) the edge is likely to roll/ bend causing it to lose sharpness very quickly. If you’re used to global’s edge retention you’ll probably find that these get relatively dull quite quickly by comparison. Definitely wouldn’t swap the globals for something like this.

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          Thanks for the detailed input and to the others above.

          I'll stick with what I know then.

          Any recommendation for a decent sized block similar to this egg or even a square styled one?

          I've found they're grossly over priced for what is essentially a timber block with some plastic jammed into them. I've even entertained buying a cheaper knife set that includes the block just to give the wife some shitty knives to abuse and take the block for my globals. 🤔

          • +1 vote

            @db87: not sure.. i haven't used blocks for awhile.. they tend to dull the blade when stored edge down. If you can get a nice block of wood sized to fit a spare kitchen drawer and cut some slots in it with a circular saw deep enough to fully conceal the blade, you can lay your knives blade up in the drawer.

            Most knife enthusiasts seem to prefer to use magnetic stands. Check out kitchen knife forums.. its a treasure trove of info for/from knife geeks (eg: https://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/threads/ways-to-store-kni...).

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    Does anyone know what steel is used in these knives ?

    • +5 votes

      German Steel

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        The only thing I can find on "german steel" is X50CrMoV15. Still very vague.

        • +2 votes

          That's the composition of it. It's Chinese steel, but for the price you would expect that

        • +11 votes

          X50CrMoV15 is the most commonly used stainless steel type for kitchen knives by German manufacturers. It is a good steel type for a very wide public. The rust resistance is high and the cutting characteristics are perfect.
          Excellent for family use and professional use where not everyone is careful with the knives. For info: X stands for stainless, 50 for 0.50% carbon and 15 for 15% Chrome. In addition the steel contains small quantities of Molybdene and Vanadium to improve the grain structure and durability. Source

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            @field1985: It’s a good description, but from what I can tell me bears Ji just googled “German steel” and x50crmov15 was one of the results. We don’t actually know that these knives are made of x50crmov15.. there are many steels made in Germany and this could be any of them.

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          German knives generally use a softer steel than Japanese and typically that makes the blade more resilient to chipping and breakage from mishandling. However, they don't hold their sharp edge as long as Japanese steel. It's a tradeoff you have to decide which is better for you.

          • +3 votes

            @sAmiZZle: Might be perfect for the wife as she cuts lemons with my high carbon knives and they end up rusting over night and yesterday I caught her chopping on the kitchen bench! This steel sounds like it can handle acidity and mishandled a bit.

            • +1 vote

              @mrbearski: Mine like cutting things using plates as a cutting board. I gave up and now she has her own cheap knife set full of very blunt knives.

          • +1 vote

            @sAmiZZle: That and really depends largely in the treatment of the blade and what hardness it’s been brought to. The generalization may be informative if you look at german and Japanese knife manufacturers broadly and generalize the different approaches to blade design.. but this is a Chinese manufacturer without a coherent approach to blade design, largely aiming to make pretty looking knife sets for display and market them with catchy but ultimately meaningless terms, so I wouldn’t expect Your statement to be informative in this case. In this case the ambiguousness of the description (“German steel” or “Japanese steel”) is telling of the general reason for it - it is largely for marketing purposes rather than to convey the characteristics of the blade. The reality is these are fairly cheaply made Chinese knives made of whatever (maybe) German or Japanese steel stock the manufacturer could buy at the right price point and heat treated generically to (they claim 53hrc - which is relatively soft for what purports to be a high end knife)

        • +1 vote

          There are many many types of steel made in Germany and in japan. And even if you could identify the type of steel (which you really can’t based on the description they give) you wouldn’t be able to tell anything about the performance of the blade without being able to trust the manufacturer to heat treat it properly (which in this case you likely can’t). The statements on various baccarat knives saying “German steel” or “Japanese steel” are entirely meaningless, and there to attract customers who have heard that German steel or Japanese steel represents high quality.

    • +3 votes

      Valerian steel. It's special.
      Watch the GOT episode - they put a wolf in the foundry furnace.
      Damn - too much wine.

    • +1 vote

      1.4116

      https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/what-is-1-4116-steel.652...

      TL;dr used in Swiss army knives as it's very corrosion resistant and easy to sharpen with just about anything (good for the wilderness to sharpen on a piece of rock?). Won't hold edge omg but can sharpen up again. Hrc 52?

  • +2 votes

    The perfect children's birthday present.

  • -1 vote

    Eh, I think I’ll stick with my Wusthof set 🤔

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      And I'll stick with my Ran. House loses all credibility by selling that Damashiro Emperor BS set.

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    I bought this last year from House

    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/521593

    $5

    The sticker says $50

    Take the RRP with a grain of salt.

  • +1 vote

    Are these rust magnets, like the reviewers say about other types of Baccarat knives?

    • +3 votes

      Instructions say to dry immediately after washing. Perhaps this is the cause of those reviews?

    • +5 votes

      Any set of sharp knives will rust if not dried immediately. They're high-carbide to help hold a sharp edge. Totally different composition to normal cutlery which needs to be soak/dishwasher proof but not hold a sharp edge.

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      I was always taught to wipe knives with a cloth that's been dunked in hot soapy water then ringed, then dry the knife, I've never submerged my knifes in the sink.

      Submerging knives blunts them over time also worse if there's dishes hitting against the blade itself. Also as macrozmitch said, the water gets into the handle.

  • +13 votes

    Baccarat is trash . Made up retail prices that no sane person would buy at. Target and Kmart knives both say German steel and are $25 each . Means not much. The Victorinox deal was much better , knives often used by butchers and chefs.

    • +3 votes

      All these soft metal knives need a few strokes on the honing rod after every 15min of use. And then get them properly sharpened every month on a wet-stone.

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    oh well but More than 10 available 133 sold in one hour.. still bargain

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    ID rather have a bread knife than scissors going with the Stahl

  • +2 votes

    Baccarat/House are both brands of a larger retail company, hence the "flexibility" with recommended retail pricing.

    Very similar to the type of no name knife you find in Kmart/Target/Woolworths.

    • +4 votes

      Let’s be honest, the RRP is just there so they can claim their knives are as good as those that are actually worth that much.

      I don’t think I have ever walked past a house store that didn’t have a 75% off sale.

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    buy other stuff for $100 and stack with this offer https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/542713 for $50 cash back

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      But it’s 80 on Amazon, is there a good cheap set of sharpening stone from any of those sites that when stacked goes above 100?

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        You can get from House.com.au for $64, a sharpener and then other stuff (you don't need) to makes it $100 ha ha

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    Thanks Nice bargain.

  • +2 votes

    These are pretty much 80~ everywhere i looked

    This i still a bargain but i think the RRP is a bit made up

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    not Bad for 56 got the 7 piece

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    OzBargain has become KnifeBargain.

  • +3 votes

    Probably get a lot of negs for this but I’ve been getting by pretty well with Kiwi knives.

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