Now you can confidently say 'mine is bigger than yours'. Your data will be aroused in this turgid 'hard' drive. The sheer size will satiate your wildest movie storage needs. A four-some on a 4-bay NAS will reach a data climax no one has seen before.
Previous post (https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/585607) was dearer.
CamelCamelCamel.
Why are you 'No' when you can be 'Yes'?
see Dr. No?
Optus….. Yes !?
This got weird real quick
His bark is worse than his byte
Could someone in theory buy one of these and use it to rebuild a ZFS array and decide it doesn’t suit their needs and return it?
Asking for a friend.
Technically. Yes. Ethically. No.
The first need is an ethical no. But let's say your friend's second need is to store 20TB of storage on it after the rebuild, then it's technically and ethically fine.
Your friend is a dick.
only 16.2 TB usable.
no deal.
i dont get the joke
In before the traditional 'lot of data to lose' comments.
lot of data to lose.
in b4 RAID 5 + backups replies
(slaps side of enclosure) Can fit so many Linux ISOs on this bad boy…
i dont think even LINUX themselves have this many ISO's in their historical archives….
8 million of them deleted yesterday :~{
is it good to store porn?
Yep, all those 8K 120 fps prawn vids.
It's not a fridge, don't store prawns in it.
With $20 lobsters and now high capacity prawn storage I’m going to need a bigger fridge.
I'm that friend
Shuckable?
Yea
Hell yes
Is that you, Kite Man?
Wow it's so big
That's what she said.
to Mr 18"TB
Around $29/TB.
I'd argue the seagate 16tb for $418.59 is a better deal since there's an exos inside and this costs an extra $100 for 2tb. This deal is good if you must have 18tb.
https://www.amazon.com.au/Seagate-Expansion-Desktop-External…
Agreed. Exos is a better choice
How are Seagate drives nowadays? They used to be so bad in failure rates that I've stuck to WD pretty my whole life (40 now) :D
I've only been into PC building for around 10 years. Seagate had really bad 3tb drives.
The larger capacity seagate expansion desktop drives have higher quality drives inside (eg ironwolf, barracuda pro and exos). WD was found to be mislabelling SMR drives as CMR and 7200rpm drives as 5400rpm. I believe Seagate was doing the same with SMR and CMR drives but to a lesser extent.
I don't think there's been many major issues other than that. I don't think any manufacturers can be trusted 100% and it is ideal to have backups. My seagate 2tb was going strong for a decade until I shelved it last month when I built a new PC.
Dunno who negged you for a reasonable question, have a +1.
Agree. I’ve been building PCs for nearly 20 years and have used most of not all HDD manufacturers and they are pretty much all the same in terms of failure rates. I’ve had the most failures with WD drives and the least with Toshiba but that’s simply because in the beginning, I bought more WD drives and not many Toshibas.
Averaging them all out they are about the same.
Just buy the right drive for the right task (eg don’t use SMR for launching games, use it for archiving or Plex work), and you’ll be fine
Thanks guys,
Well, the Seagate 16tb appears to be the usual price at around $420. Some comments are saying it's been as low as $380. I don't know if I should wait for that price to come along again or just jump on it now.
Not in a real rush but I'm itching to buy something!
Also would like to ask a NAS question. This drive will be going in a Synology 4 bay, when checking the compatibility list for "ST16000NM001G" (which is apparently what's inside the Seagate, I can't find it. Considering getting this NAS https://www.synology.com/en-global/products/DS920+
How important is it to make sure the drive is on the compatible drives list on the Synology site?
@sirs2k: I've been meaning to look into getting a NAS so I can't comment for sure. It simply may be a case of it being a newer drive and the compatibility list not being updated. I'm sure the drive will be supported though having only one drive is not a proper backup. I'd recommend having a look at the datahoarder subreddit.
I jumped on the 16tb at $420 and have no regrets. If you have zip pay you can buy amazon GCs with 10% cashback. There are some hoops to jump through but I'll leave that with you to read.
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/588546
Avoid Seagate if you can. They've improved since the 30%+ failure rate days but still over 3% and nowhere near hgst < 1% failure rates. Best drives to shuck are the wd xbox d10 drives which are the helium hgst hc520.
Where are you getting 3% failure rate from?
@runean: The same place 30% came from… backblaze.
The old metrics were based on absolute total failures, whereas the new ones are based on this "AFR" thingo.
So I just multiply all of their numbers by the # of warranty years (i.e. 5x for HGST, 3x for Seagate) to derive <1% for HGST, 3+% for Seagate to get something resembling their old measuring methodology. It'd be nice if they went back to their old metrics so we can actually compare between the years more effectively instead of fudging numbers like this.
AFR is the normalized chance a drive fails within 1 year of operation, not really relevant for consumers as we want a drive that lasts much longer.
@jkim: Right, but, those Backblaze stats for the Seagate 16's are kinda moot because there's almost no drive hours. They're still remarkably new, and yes, while the few early failures looks proportionally bad; it's the nature of a bathtub failure curve, and is likely to normalize with time.
I wouldn't write off the Seagates based on that.
@runean: Same argument can be had for every drive except a few Seagates, given they (Backblaze) mostly use a few Seagate models. So are you suggesting to ignore data when it's available?
The rankings have been very consistent over the years… HGST > Toshiba > WD > Seagate.
I'm guessing the high # of Seagate drives Backblaze use is due to price more than anything else… even with 30% failure rate, Seagates must end up cheaper for them, given they were very much affected by the 30% failure rates but continued to install new Seagates.
@jkim: That's great but they don't actually use WD branded drives anymore… (Yes, I know that they bought out HGST).
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-q2…
WD's failure rate got up to over 4% from BB's chart in 2019. If Seagate's poor quality was that much of a concern BB would have stopped using them.
@Caped Baldy: Lol? Bb didn't stop using wd because of failure. If failure was a reason to discontinue they would have stopped using seagate 5 years ago when they had 30+% failure rate for 4 straight quarters… the biggest reason bb use Seagate is commercial… volume discounts on quantities. Its most likely the same reason for discontinuing wd as a vendor.
Bb didn't stop using wd because of failure
Where did I say this? Apologies if you managed to misread it.
BB uses consumer drives in an enterprise environment. The failure rates aren't realistic for the majority of consumers.
In any case, you can't trust any manufacturers 100% and need backups.
@Caped Baldy: You said "WD's failure rate got up to over 4% from BB's chart in 2019. If Seagate's poor quality was that much of a concern BB would have stopped using them."
BB never stop using any vendor due to poor quality - case in point, Seagate's infamous 30+% failure rates.
"In any case, you can't trust any manufacturers 100% and need backups."
I never disagreed… just stick to HGST and Toshiba (I use 45% HGST 40% Toshiba 5% WD 5% Seagate 5% Maxtor… used to be 70% Seagate, 25% Toshiba, 5% Maxtor until 13/14 Seagate drives of various capacities between 2Tb - 6Tb died on me, with a single Ironwolf remaining live today).
Quantum fireball ST is where its at
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THANKS for the Seagate exos link I decided it was a better buy and bought that on Amazon $422 (it's over $100 cheaper than anywhere else I could see)
You're welcome. Make sure to do the proper error tests.
Good bang for buck
Your
dataLinux ISOs will be aroused in this turgid 'hard' drive
Upvoted for the description lol
'did you get a hard drive or are you just happy to see me………….'
Actually its a floppy
3.5” floppy :((((((
Wanted to put this big black western digital drive in my little Japanese console but it's too big, the consoles hdd slot is too tight. I think it caused permanent damage.
Kawaii!!!!!!!!!
Did you try lubricating the hard drive before slotting it in?
You gotta love the comments section
Late night Ozbargain… please never change.
Upvoted for the comments, not the deal…
Here's the deal though…hehe
More Linux distros?
And just like that, my new 12TB drives feel small :)
Though I do have 6 of them so I'll be fine for some time. Before you ask, linux isos.
This really is a great price for a brand new release. For those that need it, it's a steal. I must have been napping, I didn't even realised WD had 16TB Elements out yet let alone 18's. The 16TB is almost the same $29/TB for those who need a lower density option.
just imagine now for a second, 6 x 18T's…..
Stop it! 😉
Probably enough to download all pronhub now
Because of the purge?
So, after posting a couple not quite SRS comments, I actually bought one of this, but I only got the 16tb one, I have 4 of those 4tb Seagate externals for $109 from OfficeWorks, I was gonna buy another two and build a diy nas with software raid 5 or raid 6 through FreeNAS or something similar, but I've decided it will be much nicer to just have 4 drives running on windows with nice indexing etc, and every month or two, back them up to the 16tb drive which will spend the majority of its life living in a closet at a secured facility.
Can everyone please now tell me why I'm wrong?
(Serious question, I'll cancel in the morning if you can convince me ! )
Nope. That's good.
Except why screw around with 4x4tb+16tb in the first place. Just use 2x16tb.
I already have them :(
Sell them.
Do you suggestions for secured facility? Safe deposits aren't a thing here in Australia right?
I was being facetious. If my house burns down, having a back up of my REDACTED "linux ISOs" will do little to console me.
This drive = 24 months warranty and must be sent back to amazon. WD has garbage international warranty (vs Seagate where you can register the internal drive for 3 years).
For Seagate from UK you'd be returning to Seagate yourself. For WD you have to return back to Amazon US. That's because Amazon US is better than UK in that they will pay return post.
That's the impression I'm under from previous ozb comments. Someone please correct me if wrong.
If the WD was 20tb I think it'd be worth purchasing over the 16tb Seagate.. Because thats a more tangible size difference.
Wait… what? Hard drives are over 10TB now?! Calm down. I'm still trying to get over the transition to double density floppy disks.
Grandpa needs his meds again 🧓
Much better than tape drives.
Couldn't have posted this before they cleaned out PrawnHub?
Funnily enough I was watching Masterchef, anime live action movies and esports tournies there. 1080p and good downstream no buffering combined with a light player. The seafood stuff is usually a miss.
Wrong channel, brah.
Upvoted for the description. Deal is alright too I guess :p
As a related product aside, it looks like Server Supply has the Samsung PM1643 31TB SSD down to US$4,980 at the moment (https://www.serversupply.com/SSD/SAS-12GBPS/30.72TB/SAMSUNG/…). Most other places are still at c.US$8k and upwards. Hopefully downward trend continues.
one HD is the same as none
WD restricted the speed to 5400rpm… I prefer faster ones
These are good for NAS’s
Came for the hard drive, stayed for the erotic novel.
To those buying, let us know the drive model that's inside when you get them.
Also their actual RPM, vs SMART reported RPM, if you're up for some acoustic spectral analysis.
As far as I know, WD 18TB (and 20TB) HDDs to date have been conventional magnetic recording (CMR) drives with energy-assisted magnetic recording (EAMR).
e.g. https://www.anandtech.com/show/15903/western-digitals-16tb-a…
These seem to be really loud. I got a 14tb and I can both hear and feel the vibration. It also regularly clicks in a very annoying manner.
None of that from my shucked 12's
My Shucked 12TB and 8TB, Helium filled drives occasionally click, but they're very quiet.
I've never heard clicks. I'm sure they do it but compared to the old 2 and 4TB airfilled drives I used to have in my NAS's, these 12TB's are very quiet to me.
TO be fair most of the time I'm not pushing the drives but even during the build and expansion I don't recall much noise. Maybe my hearing just isn't so good :)
Why are you on the Panadol when there are much more appropriate pharmaceuticals. See your doctor.