very yummy vegan substitute.
Highly recommend.
Strips are my fav
"Meet" Plant-Based Meat Substitute: Tenders / Meetballs / Strips - $4.75/240g (1/2 Price) @ Coles
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It is for fake meat that tastes good
if you compare them to meatballs or other meat processed food, they are reasonable. It is hard to produce these things and they are better for the planet
I don't think they're actually much better, if at all, for the planet… :)
why?
@vchung916: From your first link "So far, all they have demonstrated is that they are better on [greenhouse gas] emissions than their industrial meat counterparts"
The product in this deal is replacing industrially farmed meat, not sustainability raised meat. And not all fake meat is "beyond meat" which granted isn't great for the environment. I have no idea how processed the product in this deal is, but neither of those links really say that "meet" chicken tenders aren't better for the environment than industrially farmed chicken tenders.
@EBC: The only valid arguments against meat substitutes are price and taste. If they're not arguing those points, then they're arguing to offset their guilt.
@vchung916: Your links provided say they reduce greenhouse gases and animal suffering? Yes they rely on monoculture but meat does even more As 1% of all nutrients from plants is ingsted by animals like cows. So we could eat from monoculture and absorb far more nutrients or give 100 times more of those plants and water to animals to absorb those same nutreients? seems smart.
and our second link is a blog lol
Better for the animals
Probably not health but better than meat version stillIt's literally not better for the planet.
That's just marketing
@Whomastadon: Plenty of scientific evidence and figures to suggest that's wrong. Land cleared for agricultural cattle is huge, both the area and impact on the ozone layer. People just don't want to give it up.
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I will eat either as long as it tastes good
After you pay, Meetballs!
Will stick with porterhouse for now
I do eat both, but try to eat veg / minimise meat consumption. this is a good middle ground to add into your salads / spice up things
i think you need to try harder to understand then…
It is for vegetarians who want to eat fake meat. The only nonsense is people caring so much about what other people eat.
What a boomer take. Vegetarians/Vegans don't not eat meat because they don't like the taste.
They like the taste of meat, but not at the expense of killing animals. So if you can have the best of both worlds why wouldn't you?
@ctg: It might not be better for you nor the environment depending on how processed it is but it saves animals from being killed. How does that not benefit animals that are farmed for food? Some of the ways they are farmed let alone the way they are killed are pretty inhumane.
@ctg: Not killing an animal is inarguably better for their welfare than killing them lol.. I didn't think that needed to be said but I guess the internet attracts all types
@Dvbargain: Unfortunately it does need to be explained on here. Needs to be a simple intelligence test to register an account.
@Dvbargain: Killing some older animals can be better for the welfare of the younger ones , who don’t have to compete with others for food or mates as much
@piston3461: That's not killing older folk that's just not resuscitating the ones already dying. It's also by choice, not forced.
That was quite a "reach" there.. And pretty much irrelevant to your point about trying to say killing old animals is awesome cos the young ones have more mates to root
@piston3461: Not really. Most people I know have a pet they consider part of the family.
They are alive, they think, they feel pain.
I am teaching lots of people on Ozbargain about stuff today.
@piston3461: How so? They are sentient beings with a will to live.
People wouldn't eat there their dog or cat, but happy to eat other more intelligent animals, or roll up to Coles for their pre-packaged meats. Classic speciesism.
@G-rig: So if animals are equal to humans , why do people care so much if humans eat animals ? Animals eat animals , that’s the circle of life. People should eat less meat , but so far the research indicates a balanced diet of meat and vegetables is still the most ideal.
people need to eat what they want and stop annoying others about their preferences.
@piston3461: It's not about being 100% equal, just a bit of compassion and sensibility.. it's not sustainable in the long run. People's views and habits are hard to change. People just overdo it and hell bent on protein and thinking you need meat 3 times a day. Most wouldn't admit they just don't want to give it up regardless of the suffering. Wouldn't hurt to eat less meat (and actually beneficial on all levels), imagine if the whole world even had one meat free day a week.
Agree that a meal with a little bit of meat and lot of veg is better than vegan junk food and substitutes, only as that component is the whole foods/veg.
Yeah there'll be 100 debates on these threads and everyone is right. All the arguments/fallacies have been debunked before and it's not like there aren't any easy alternatives for around these days.
Jaduqimon doesn’t get it. Probably never will
If you like meat, eat meat.
If you don't like meat, eat whatever you want.
My 12yr old doesn't like meat or meat substitutes so she eats neither.
It's really not that complicated.
Nah you don’t get it
I love meat, I just don't eat it.
'not liking' meat is not the only reason why people eat these 'pretend meat'.
If a fake meat gets to the point of 100% replicating real meat, then those who chose to continue eating real meat are clinical psychopaths
Sure. Thankfully we'll never get to that point.
Actual drivel.
There is science that says it's better for your health to consume meat. You just sound narrow minded and a bit unhinged :)
@Rickysupertramp: And guess what, there's at least as many studies showing you can be as healthy and even healthier (mortality) eating a plant-based diet.
Take out all the studies funded by the animal flesh ag industry, and what are you left with? Not zero studies that still "show" this, but barely any at all. Meanwhile, there's no big broccoli funding a never ending stream of garbage studies.
It will never get to that point. I'm guessing this product is full of vegetable oils and soy, and a variety of other ingredients that cause inflammation.
The best way to access heme iron is through Red meat. Essential for brain development, reproductive health and a host of other things. There is no substitute or supplement which can compare to meat providing heme iron.
These products exist because of the constant demonizing of meat by food companies looking to make a profit. Australian farmers are some of the most innovative farmers in the world and many of them actually sequest carbon through their farming.
@Franky23: Vegetable oil doesn't cause inflammation.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22889633/Soy is associated with reduced inflammation.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3727642/In regards to your assertion that consumption of heme iron is required for brain development… I couldn't find any studies, likely because it's a very silly assertion. Heme iron is more readily absorbed, but non-heme iron is still absorbed and our bodies have a biochemical pathways to produce the cyclic heme structure.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK537329/
Worth noting a vegan diet might cause people to miss other key nutrients (i.e. vitamin b12, etc.)While I don't doubt there are positive ways to reduce methane output of livestock, I would love to see some info on the widespread uptake of this in Oz.
Vegetable oil doesn't cause inflammation.
Maybe not in and of itself, but majority of seed oils are industrially processed involving high heat and chemicals. By the time you consume them they are already rancid (but you wouldn't know it as they deodorize them) and that is what causes damage to your body. Perhaps if you could freshly squeeze your own oil then what you are claiming above would be correct.
@Pogo: Even basic scientific knowledge tells you that polyunsaturated oils have weak hydrogen bonds and are prone to oxidation. It used to be common knowledge that rancid oils are bad for health, but maybe not any longer given the state of education in this country. I don't have time to look for scientific studies since I have accumulated knowledge about this topic from many scientific presentations I watched over the years. Perhaps watch this mini doco and then follow up the claims by doing your own research. Be sceptical of superficial, patronising, outdated industry or government sources. The latter in particular take years to get up to speed. Follow the actual researchers in the field doing cutting edge science. Or don't. I don't care.
@findingbargains: Do you mean carbon-hydrogen bond?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_bondPerhaps it is your education that is lacking?
Vegetable oils being more prone to oxidation does not mean the vegetable oils in faux meat are rancid. That would need to be backed up with an analysis of the food product with a high proportion of the oxidised product.
@Pogo: Naughty boy, you haven't watched the video before commenting, have you? It is the process of production that makes these oils rancid from the get go. They are rancid before they even get into the bottle (or industrial size barrel) due to the heat and chemicals used in extraction and processing. They are deodorised and clarified (i.e. heavily processed) to make them "attractive" for consumption. That should give everyone at least a pause before consuming them with abandon, unless you can freshly squeeze your own at home.
Please don’t breed
I understand that. We should eat whole, natural food, be it green veg, be it meat, but not food that is coming from an industrial "plant". When I see the word "plant-based", I think that it actually means that it's from an industrial or manufacturing "plant" rather than a real plant that had lived.
This!
Vegan for 10 years. Still love the taste of meat, so I eat mainly fake meat substitutes. I’m not vegan for my health mate.
You couldn't be. Vegan diet is inherently unhealthy unless you go out of your way to compensate for it's shortfalls, which is in itself a proof that we did not evolve to be vegans.
Can I ask what shortfalls you think there is to a whole-food plant based diet?
I know you never mentioned "whole food", but it's only fair to compare a healthy vegan diet to a healthy omnivore diet since you would also need to 'compensate' on an unhealthy omnivore diet
@Never pay retail: For starters: incomplete protein (yes I know it is possible on plant diet but very damn hard); iron, B-12, vit D, omega-3, zinc, selenium…
Also plants are full of antinutrients e.g. phytoestrogens, lectins, oxalates, phytates and on it goes.
Before you say "but saturated fat in animal meats!" - please don't bother, harmfulness of animal fats has been debunked.you would also need to 'compensate' on an unhealthy omnivore diet
agree. that in no way makes vegan diet the way to go towards fixing that, though
@findingbargains: I agree that it's an effort to get whole proteins, but no harder than balancing nutrients with an omni diet. If you aren't vegan, you are still supplementing B12 too, but it's just indirect since it's being fed to the animals you eat. I'm not going to comment on everything else, but it's new information to me that people on a healthy vegan diet have issues with iron. Perhaps the studies you've seen on this have been on people who don't eat any leafy green veggies?
I'm not sure I understand the antinutrient argument. Take phytoestrogen for example: there seems to be little research showing adverse health affects of this, especially compared to animal-based estrogens sources.
I'm far from well-informed on this and only have my own experience as a healthy vegan to go from, but I think it's undeniable that there is huge lobbying power behind the meat and dairy industry that is going to keep us eating animal products long after the research says we should be doing otherwise.
@Never pay retail: Thanks. We can disagree on things, but I am wondering how do you ensure you get complete protein on vegan diet? What do you eat?
Also, when you say you are healthy, is that based on specific regular checkups/blood tests that you periodically undertake or based on how you feel?
Finally for every research in support of vegan diets, there is one supporting meat eating.
@findingbargains: For protein I eat vegetables from as many different families as possible including (eg. Cruciferous, root, dark leafy greens etc) as well as fungi and lots of legumes. Also sometimes I have proteins like tofu and tempeh. The overall 'nutrition guidelines' I follow is Dr Gregor's daily dozen: https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/daily-dozen/
I've only had 2 blood tests in the last 2 years (to check that my nutrient levels are fine) and they've all been in the optimal range including iron, cholesterol, B12, vitamin D, T-cells etc. I also have perfect blood pressure and haemoglobin that I see when I donate blood. Although I'd love to have regular blood tests to monitor my health, I would feel guilty as I don't have anything wrong with me that I'm aware of.
As I said before, I'm still learning with all of this (only been vegan for 2 years) and I have seen articles like the one you've posted. I think what we can all agree on is that there is a lotttt of confusion around this topic. The most interesting resource I've read on this is the book 'The China Study'. It gives evidence of large-scale benefits of mostly plant-based diets and discusses reasons why the evidence for vegan diets are dismissed and haven't become mainstream. Even ignoring the research in the book, the insight into the scientific community in this topic is very eye-opening
Some of the largest studies ever beg to differ. Have you looked at the health of the average first world person on an omnivorous diet? Real healthy eh?
If you aren't prioritising your health over some virtuous undertaking, you're doing it wrong. Glhf with the corresponding health issues.
I’m assuming you don’t like vegans telling you how to live your life, so how about you stay in your lane. I’m simply stating that I went vegan for my own reasons. If that offends you, maybe you need to work on yourself.
I like the taste of meat but don't want to eat animals. What do I do?
Pretty decent looking ingredients too. No random binders, emulsifiers, texture/juiciness agents!
Lol have you seen the “ingredients” of meat bro 😅
The reprocessed carcass that goes into feed? Or the emulsifiers, binders etc. Which animals are packed full of too.
Wheat protein is one of the ingredients, and it doesn't state "gluten-free". So I guess it's most possibly has gluten. And I also don't like canola oil.
Vegans will ignore that, in particular the use of industrial seed oils in their food like canola, soy, sunflower etc, because it is a religious cult.
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good, mate.
Oh no, Gluten! Horror!
Yes, one group sacrifices seeds, the other blood sacrifices animals. Which one is a cult?
@sjj89: Evolution does not care for your emotions. You cannot go back for millennia and change the course of how we evolved.
@sjj89: Sorry, I realise that went over your head. What I meant is that it is not some kind of a cult-like "sacrifice of animals" if we have evolved to eat meat over thousands of years. This is innate to us. You cannot change that (fact of evolution) no matter how much you wish to do so (emotions). Make sense? I will leave you with this Meat-eating extends human life expectancy worldwide.
yes i have vegan friends and they are all over shit like canola oils. i tried to show them how bad a choice it is for the oils but soon stopped as it was fruitless.
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Ah. Veganism, Women's Day and Rapid tests, the three horsemen of OzB deals that turn comments into a ripe cesspool.
There's got to be better things to do with your time people, live a little.
I thought, foolishly, that if you weren't interested you wouldn't click on it or comment. Can't believe I could be so stupid!
Sometimes I see a mundane deal but a hundred comments, so I have to click on it and see what people are offended by this time
Not vegan, or vegetarian, but rarely eat meat. Dont like it. Vegan meat substitutes is a bizarre concept to me, but each to their own..doesnt bother me heh.
Yeah it's more of a transitional food, better to eat whole food plant based and keep it simple. Works out pretty cheap if you ignore all the vegan junk food and substitutes. Surprise more people are going vegetarian/vegan at least some days a week, given the price of meat alone (ethics and health benefits aside)
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Imagine there's meat based plants. I'll be all over it.
Asked my missus if she'll like Meet balls and strip, was not well received.
she prob wasn't satisfied with the undersized portions
Sick of that little Frankfurt, doesn't even half full her bun!
Savage.
I remember driving past a sign in the USA that read "Goat Meet" and I always wondered what they could be getting up to.
The greatest of all time meat
you can't beat meat
try some vaseline next time
Can anyone who has tried comment on the taste and texture please?
The meatballs are actually really good imo! Very meatball-like (fair warning, I haven't eaten meat in 15 or so years. But my partner also really likes them and he's been vegan for ~5 years). We've had them a few different ways now and my favourite was definitely with spaghetti al sugo, it genuinely reminded me of what my nonna used to make back in the day. I haven't tried the strips or the tenders though.
I stand with that. Meatballs taste very similar if not the same, probably of large amount of oil in them. Strips also taste like stir fried meat from Asian cuisine and has fibrous texture
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$20 bucks for fake meat is not exactly cheap