This is not a historical low ($4.25 usually when it is half price) but these pies have not been on sale for a while.
Herbert Adams Slow Cooked Pies 2 Pack $5.00 @ Coles
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You're not wrong, if you are talking about a fancy pie.
But if you want the best normal, non-fancy pie, National Pies is where it's at (if you can find them outside of Tasmania..).
Tried national, meat was ground a bit too fine for me ….. go to for me is Four n Twenty Angus and pepper …. not to be confused with cheaper Four n Twenty non Angus pies. The Four N twenty Angus has chunkier meat, though not as chunky as the Herbert Adams …..
Highly recommend the National Pies Grass Fed Steak and Caramelized Onion pie - much better than the grass fed minced beef pie and only 373 cals as well.
I just ate a Four N Twenty angus beef cheese and bacon. Was left underwhelmed, and the cheese was super plastic.
We had a couple of Herbert Adams Cabernet Sauvignon (lulz) a few weeks ago. Pretty good.
But for any pie lovers around the Bayside suburbs of Melbourne, you've got to try the chilli cheese pie from House of Bread and Pastries in Martin St Brighton. I've never had better.
@mapax: Six bucks. Cheaper than you'd expect from Briiiighton. Actually, the ladies in there are quite down to earth and good fun.
@raymosaurus: Still a bit expensive for me, but yeah, not too bad for the area. I was expecting you to say in the range of $8-$10.
Does anything compare to this brand? I've tried other brands and they're also delicious but I feel because they're so cheap, the ingredients must not be very good quality. Even Four n Twenty has a more premium Angus pie, but that's $10 for four pies.
I know I'm already eating a lot of fat and processed stuff when I'm eating a frozen pie, but I'd rather try and get a bit more premium ingredients if I can rather than the cheapest possible whatever they put in these things. When the Four n Twenty Angus pies were 50% off, they were $5, which works out to be $1.25 per pie. I thought how can these things be so cheap? They taste delicious though.
Always comes down to the meat. Worth noting those Four n Twenty angus pies were 190g with 27% beef not long ago, now they're 175g with 25% beef. Doesn't sound like much, but that's a 15% reduction in meat per pie. Their standard pies are a mix of beef and mutton which probably lowers the price just that bit more to get down to their standard pies. But 43 grams of beef is not expensive and pastry/gravy is cheap as anything to make, I can't imagine that each pie costs them more than 20-30c to make.
The angus branding is also a bit misleading on it being quality. 60% of all cattle in Australia are angus and there's nothing saying you're not getting the lips and arseholes of a cow in your angus pie or maccas angus burger.
All these pies are made by the same company anyway, Patties, Four n Twenty, Herbert Adams, there's a good chance they probably make the house brands for supermarkets too. Herbert Adams is the premium brand so they'll always be the best ones. Usually food costs next to nothing to make and these sales are done in concert with the supermarkets, they'll put one brand on sale this week and ramp up production so what they lose in profit margin they make in volume. Cycle through the different pie brands so there's always something on sale.
It wouldn't matter if someone could make a better frozen pie as a result, Woolworths/Coles has no interest in screwing up what is likely a great relationship with Patties without a huge benefit and no one else has the volume to supply the whole chain. I buy from bakeries if I want a better pie but no way they're coming in at even close in price to something Patties makes. National Pies is definitely growing though, hopefully there's some competition soon (although for me those usually wind up in a completely different part of the supermarket).
that percentage seems to be common for beef content, Herbert Adams is also only 25%. Personally I stopped buying the frozen ones as none of them seem to be of significant quality. when I want some I got to markets on a weekend and buy some quality ones to freeze.
That's interesting. I had a look and it seems the Herbert Adams beef pies seem to be mainly 25% meat, being a combination of slow cooked beef and mince. The chicken pie is 20%. The Wagyu range, which is usually $10 but on sale for $6 at the moment contains only 17% and 20% meat. I shouldn't have bought so many of those and should have gone more for the regular beef pies.
I've tried these Coles pies. The meat content seems to be around 24%. It tastes ok but it seems like there's too much pastry and too little filling, and these pies come fresh not frozen. The frozen pies are convenient to have when you don't feel like cooking.
@warmfruit: 25% meat - as a luxury pie ? Whoa baby !
I just looked at the Coles home brand single pack pies in our freezer - label says Australian meat 40% (mystery meat?)
snouts and entrails ? - https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSimpsons/comments/19otvf/homer_h…
@Hangryuman: It's probably 40% of the beef gravy is beef, like the one above. The beef gravy only makes up 59% of the pie, thus 24% of the overall pie is beef.
It's a nice little way to game the ingredients list, put ingredients within ingredients. There's no requirement to put percentages at all on packaging, they only do it for marketing purposes.
@Hangryuman: Is it this one? freefall101 is correct, it's around 25% meat. However, it probably is low quality meat like you said. I find the more premium pies have chunky bits of meat. Even if it's low grade meat, at least it appears to be meat instead of ground up bits of offal.
90c a pie though, that's quite cheap. The Four n Twenty Angus ones work out to be $1.25 per pie when 50% off though, which is pretty cheap as well.
I'm starting to question whether this can even be considered real food since it's probably the cheapest ingredients.
@Hangryuman: They can use the snouts, fat gristle etc, but not the entrails (at least not without declaring it as required to list offal).
I'm curious to see what Aldi's "fancy frozen pie" is like, it seems to be mimicking these somewhat, only 3 flavours though I believe. So far the Herbert Adams pies are by far the closest to a good bakery pie (i've had bakery pies that are much worse than these)
From what people have said in this thread, they seem quite similar. The good thing is the regular price for the Aldi ones are $5. If we can get the Herbert Adams ones for the same price, it seems like a bargain, plus there's more variety of flavours.
When these go back to regular price, I might try the Aldi ones to compare. The Aldi ones have gone on sale for $4 before.
I wondered if somebody would mention aldi. We tried the butter chicken, it was decent. Their Thai Red Curry was pretty good.
I always liked their pain beef "chunky" pies. They seem to be pretty generous with the volume and cuts of meat, and they're a lot cheaper than Herbert Adams for example.
The Asian fusion ones are on sale for $6
Had these for an easy dinner last night.
Will be going back for more.
Great pies. If you want the exact same pies Aldi sell them for $4.99 every day. Different branding of the box, but AFAIK they're from the same factory.
That’s like saying I can get the Mike shoe from the same factory as where they make Nike shoes hehehehe ;)
A lot of Aldi food is exactly the same with Aldi branding
Not so. Aldi copy other products to be almost identical. It's their well known strategy.
But fans keep spreading the rumour the products are exactly the same. That's just what Aldi want people to believe
Aldi avoid the development costs of the big brands, putting effort into legal defence of their copies. Check reports of the legal battles taken by major brands.
Aldi Good Different - its a fake.
@INFIDEL: ALDI really have the worst checkouts of the major supermarkets. Their copycat branding puts me off. If they are so sure of their product why copy the branding?
@try2bhelpful: Their copies are just enough different (in packaging, container design, colours, & branding) to avoid legal challenges by the brand being copied - to not lose court cases as 'passing off'.
@INFIDEL: I'm going to buy both sets of pies this afternoon to fact-check myself (Elmsbury + Herbert Adams). I swear they are identical bar the printing on the box; the nutritional value and ingredients list should indicate if the processes are close to identical or not.
I wonder if it's actually cheaper to copy someone's recipe and find another manufacturer to make it cheaper on scale, rather than enter a licensing agreement with the original manufacturer.@yojabbajabba: As you are already convinced they're the same - it won't prove anything!
Yes - good enough copies to fool the average Aldi customer. But not the same.
As for that nutritional info - has it ever been verified as correct? Strange how Aldi packaging is always identical to the original!
Aldi love these debates about their fakes - it's money through their doors!
Aldi make a fortune doing that here & elsewhere. Its a major part of their business strategy. Lots has been written about it!
I wonder if it's actually cheaper to copy someone's recipe
Development & Marketing are major costs with a new product. The brands spend a fortune creating a popular product & the market for it. And risk losing it all if it fails in the market.
Aldi don't spend that money or risk product failure! Cheaper Fakes of popular products are guaranteed to sell. So much more profit!
That's what all fakes do - depend on public recognition of the product & the public desire for it. As long as it's made to sell at an attractive price, some will overlook the fact that it's a fake.
They just make sure they don't get into trouble doing it, by making it look slightly different!Aldi mainly needs a good legal team to defend their copy! So you're eating the result of legal fees, rather than the development costs of an original product.
I'm not comfortable with fakes!
So I wouldn't buy it.@INFIDEL: You too seem highly confident that they are not identical. Looking forward to testing this hypothesis out later this week and will report back. Happy to eat humble pie if my initial assertion was incorrect.
@yojabbajabba: Inside knowledge - advising a supplier to Aldi.
Having studied in & designed scientific research experiments…
A prior expectation of the result is about the worst starting point.
(Threw out a Masters student's research paper for that.)Humans tend to confirm our biases.
Just look at any conspiracy theory site!
@ChillBro: Even that can have issues - the person giving the product to the subject can't know which is the Aldi. They can subtly skew the result.
Double Blind test is bestWe tend to like what we are used to.
If the subject is used to eating the Aldi, they may prefer it, despite the original being possibly better.
Given a choice between our regular but cheap favourite & a quality but very different food - we tend to choose our regular. (Try that with cheeses! Often tends to get a quick rejection of premium expensive vs regular cheddar.)
And if one is sweeter or saltier - we may prefer that, because of our personal preference.
Need a variety of tasters for a valid result.A double blind test, of sorts…
Received my free Pepsi Max Taste Challenge at Home Kit - 2 cans inside a box. We were asked not to peek - but simply taste.
Unfortunately, the strong phenylalanine / aspartame in the Pepsi Max No Sugar was such a different taste to my experience of the Coke - could immediately identify the products!
As am used to drinking Coke… Not surprisingly, I found Coke tasted better. Hello bias!
But those results are aggregated, removing individual personal bias.We are all prone to proving our biases are justified.
So I know I'm right😜
Personally found Aldi food copies initially taste similar, but lack the important depth of favour found in the original.
That difference matters to me with food - I savour it rather than gulp it down as kids often do.
So OK, but not up to the original in foods I've tried. (Tried as Aldi is my closest store.)
Now given up on Aldi fakes. I don't like paying for disappointment😉Ultimately - choose what you prefer to eat, in your price range.
@INFIDEL: I wish I could upload a picture, but I've put Aldi and Herbert Adams pies side by side and they are an identical shape with identical steam vent holes on the top of the pie. That leads me to believe they are made in the same factory. The Herbert Adams is reported to have 25% Australian beef, compared with 29% beef of unknown origin in the Aldi pie. The Herbert Adams has more egg wash as well. I suspect they are different recipes in the same factory.
Taste test? The Herbert Adams got crispier than the Aldi pie and I thought it had more flavour. While I preferred the Herbert Adams pie, I wouldn't pay extra for it :) As with most luxury goods, spending more gives you a perception of quality, whether it's there or not.
@sparker89: Lol! Aldi must love customers like you!
No need for a photo, the internet has enough examples of Aldi knock off products!
That just shows good copying! That's what Aldi does well in countries it operates in - fake products & packaging that looks like the original, almost…Lol! Just because something looks the same, does not mean it is manufactured the same, contains the same ingredients, is the same quality, or from the same factory!
That's just a false belief in the heads of Aldi fans.
Aldi doesn't correct that misconception - because that makes them lots of money. Businesses like Aldi love unquestioning suckers!Of course in court they deny any similarity of their product, branding, packaging… to the brand name product.
They claim it's not "passing off" meant to deceive customers.
It's simply the customer's fault for convincing themselves of something untrue! How nice of Aldi!Fakes need to look like the real thing.
Ask people who bought fake iPhones (sold at airports in China years ago, but stop working soon after leave China), Rolex watches, name brand clothes & accessories, etc.They are fakes! They've never been near factories manufacturing the real product.
But, the buyer convinces themselves it is real, as it looks real, at a great price. The buyer scams themself!Buyer gullibility is the problem with fakes. Just don't buy them!
Read some of the many articles on Aldi's copying strategy to take market share from brand name products that developed the originals.
Very parasitic & costly to the brand being copied. I wouldn't support that by buying the Aldi fake!I only buy the genuine products, when on sale for cents more! Aldi copies have been a disappointment for me.
@INFIDEL: Think the last line in your post is the most important. Research is based on aggregation and processing of numbers but if you personally prefer something 'inferior' to what a research paper tells you then that's all you need to know. Grew up eating cheap servo type sausage rolls with lots of filler so I enjoy them more than home made sausage rolls with high meat content that are usually tougher as a result. No accounting for taste as they say.
@Xastros: Yes, those early food tastes usually stay with us through life. They're usually associated with great memories. But not necessarily great food!
That's why it is suggested to introduce different foods in childhood. So the child isn't a "fussy eater" (only eating a few foods) & will likely have more adventurous culinary experiences later in life. Worked with me!
Enjoy what you love!!
But your Dr may have a different opinion😉
@INFIDEL: I was burnt by this when it came out that Aldi's toilet paper was supposedly re-packaged Quilton. Understandable as they found quilton branded cardboard rolls inside the Aldi packaged toilet paper, but I bought some and it is definitely inferior to Quilton (noticeably less soft). Maybe made in the same factory? but not the same quality.
@Elision: Many manufactures of basic products like toilet paper, manufacture to different standards for different markets. It's not difficult for them to do that.
Likely many standards of TP use the same cardboard core to wind onto.
Causing the Aldi fans to misinterpret the product to be of high quality when it wasn't😜Supply to public toilets may not be 3ply luxury - just cheapest!
A retailer could buy a product like that in bulk - cheap, possibly setting its own standards & sell it cheaper than the usual product.I learnt a lot about Aldi's buying & supply processes when asked to advise a major supplier to Aldi. (Wasn't toilet paper. And didn't accept the role.)
Aldi buy on most features for cheapest price, landed on time before sale date, definitely not best quality!!
They started off overseas selling crap products & made a virtue of how bad they were. It attracted so much media & word of mouth attention.
You could easily return it - so created demand for the Special Buys™ items in the middle of stores! People queued to buy crap products!Aldi - very much buyer beware!
Aldi's toilet paper was supposedly re-packaged Quilton
Don't believe the hype from Aldi fans. They regularly look for signs in products that they can misinterpret as the product being better than it actually is!
It reinforces their almost cult-like belief in Aldi. Aldi won't stop them believing & buying! It's in Aldi's financial interest💰
They can say things that drive sales, that would land Aldi in court for misrepresentation!! (eg "it's made in the same factory", "it's exactly the same as the brand product",…)
Some may be rewarded for spreading rumours like those…
What are they labelled as in Aldi?
Elmsbury premium pies
Have you tried both brands - no discernible difference at all?
Not exact same pies Aldi sell.
They're just copies.
Usual Aldi fan rumour "AFAIK they're from the same factory"!
That's just what Aldi would like people to believe.Yes, also the nutritional analysis is only ‘typical analysis ‘ not exact , so having the same one as a major brand does not mean it’s the same recipe
Yes, and strange how Aldi copies I've looked at, have identical nutritional analysis figures to the original…
How could that be? In Uni assignments, markers would suspect plagiarism! Makes me wonder if the figures aren't made up or just copied from the original…
Not exactly the same, but like most Aldi products, as good or better quality than what they're knocking off.
but Aldi don't have the best flavour in Pepper steak
Aldi does not sell a pepper steak pie in their Elmsbury premium pie range.
That was my point…
might need to get one of each and disect, good starting place is % of meat on the box, texture would be next test after heating one of each ….
I had a look and compared the nutritional info for the Herbert Adams King Island beef in gravy pie and the Elmbury chunky Angus beef pie. They have different nutritional info so they must not come out of the same factory. The Aldi one might be just a copy then.
If you do a comparison, see if the Aldi one says on the box where it's made.
Yes, also the nutritional analysis is only ‘typical analysis ‘ not exact , so having the same one as a major brand does not mean it’s the same recipe
Same factory doesn’t mean same recipe though …
It shows full price from my end.
most multi packs of pies are rarely on 1/2 price sale now. Four and Twenty used to go 1/2 price regularly. I can't remember the last time I saw that. Sargents are now not stocking in Coles and Woolies at all anymore.
Meat prices have increased by about 50% in the past year , so manufacturers using meat as an ingredient would be refusing to give out 50% discounts any more due to ingredient cost increases
Anyone here use an air fryer? What's the best setting to use for these?
I like to zap in the microwave for a minute while the air fryer heats up and then put in for 5-10 min between 120-150 degrees depending on how you like your pastry. You may want to put the pie upside down for a few mins in the air fryer make the base crispier.
4 minutes in microwave to thaw our and heat centre, and then 1 minute in wide slot toaster …. to dry and crips outside …. 5 minutes from frozen to an oven style heated pie ……
10-12 minutes at medium heat (140 ish) then crisp them up at high heat for a few more minutes.
When cooking 2 - microwave for 5 min on high wrapped in paper towel, airfry for 5 min at 180⁰
Not the answer you want but I found nothing compares to pie on a baking sheet in 40~min (to prefrence) in the oven at 250c.
Don’t they burn at 250c? The box says 150c.
Never had an issue, straight from freezer into oven, turn on oven at the same time, set to 250c and set an alarm for 40 mins to check on it.
After 40 mins check to see if its what you want (normally isnt) and set it for 10 more mins and should be perfect.
anything with pasty would burn at 250 for 40mins haha
@Ronke23: My guess is that its due to the heating up of the oven at the same time adding to the delay gets it hot on the inside and crispy on the outside.
I have no way to prove this but its what I have been doing for a long time with pies like aldi's/bigger ones. done it in 4+ ovens now.
@Jofzar likes them more burnt than the rest of us. unless their freezer is powered by liquid nitrogen 😁
I would never wait 40 minutes to eat a pie. If you microwave for 2 it would probably cook in 15 min.. cost of oven outways cost of pies. No ozbargain
just get a wide slot bread toaster , my breville takes a four n twenty meat pie …… if I use crumpet setting I can even select if I want bottom crispier.
40minutes at 2400watts at least vs 15 minutes at probably <1200watts.
This is the beauty of airfryers, use 1/4 the power when cooking smaller portions.
I just wrap loosely in a paper towel and do 4 minutes in microwave. Stops it from going soggy and still seems pretty crispy
Wait till you pop it in an airfryer for another 5 min, your mind will be blown!
40 mins is for those without an air fryer. Microwave plus air fryer equals happiness
thanks - yeah - I heated these for 40 mins in my air fryer starting at 120C - top went golden quickly, but spike thermometer stayed cold for nearly 40 mins - I gradually ramped up the temp as it was taking so long
so next time it's gonna be microwave first to heat up the filling, then quick crisp in the air fryer
for dinner for 2 tonite !
bought this last week from WWS for $6.5
Microwave 3mins then 7mins 180 degrees in an oven or air fryer.That beef one with the camembert cheese is actually pretty good
Got some of the Herbert Adams range for 2.50 in Penrith Ten Tops on Sunday seems to be an ongoing offer.
Great pies
I usually microwave mine for 3 minutes, then place it in the sandwich press grill (closes setting before the top touches).
Anyone tried the Wagyu pies from Herbert Adams?
so much more pastry than meat.
These are the best pies! Beef is chunky, but no bits of disgusting fat… just nice tender beef chunks.
From frozen defrost in microwave for 2min then throw in the oven at 170 fan forced for 20-25min (depending on how crispy you like).
Time to stock up, thanks OP!
great price for one of the best (if not the best) heat at home frozen pies