What's The One Biggest Thing Keeping You from Going to an iPhone?

O15 on 19/09/2022 - 14:09
Last edited 19/09/2022 - 18:08

Obviously this is a question for those folk with an Android phone (and those still desperately clinging to a Windows phone?).

Years ago, Android had many objective benefits over iPhone and I didn't really like anything iOS or iPhone related.

These days, the current iPhone design (12, 13 & 14) is by far my favourite design of any current phone, iOS has almost completely closed the feature gap and iPhones cameras are fantastic.

However, the one thing which I appreciate too much to give up is how easy it is to connect my phone to any Windows PC and transfer files to and from it.
I don't have to f around with iTunes or any other third party program. Just plug in and do what I need to do.

On the flip side, when someone brings me their iPhone and asks for help getting photos or a video off of it, my day is instantly ruined.
Plug it into a Windows PC and you have to figure out the arbitrary folder structure to find photos. Oh and you're sure as hell not going to copy files to the iPhone this way.
Even if I connect the iPhone to a Mac, sometimes the Photos app just doesn't want to do it. I've had it show some photos but not all with no apparent explanation as to what's happening.

As long as this remains the case, I will never buy myself an iPhone.

Does this bother anyone else? Do you have other reasons?

Mobile Apple Mobile Phone

Comments

  • footscrayvic on 20/09/2022 - 07:58
    +1

    My most recent iphone transactions have been great:
    2019 - purchased iphone 8 128gb for $770.
    - heavy usage for 3 years. No issues, great performance.
    - sold 2022 for $250
    2022 - purchased iphone SE 128gb for $700 (same processor as the iphone 13)

    Good prices, great performance, good resale.

    Not knocking Samsung (which I have had a short stint owning/using) here, just saying that I've been very happy with the iphones.
    And I love the integration across all my devices - iMac, ipad, Macbook, iphones. I've had apple products since the early 90's though.

    • Brianqpr on 20/09/2022 - 08:53
      +2

      I've had $400 phones that I've been able to sell for around $150 after 2-3 years use, so less "loss" than carrying an iphone for a similar period and a much lower replacement cost.

    • caitsith01 on 20/09/2022 - 16:12
      +4

      Why is it that every 'Apple person' who decides to try Android gets a bloody Samsung? They are literally the Apple of Android in terms of annoying features (forced home made apps, over-simplified UI etc). I have a Samsung tablet and the interface and apps absolutely suck compared to my stock Google phone and, before that, Sony Android phones.

  • shaybisc on 20/09/2022 - 08:06
    +1

    The main reason I don't buy iPhones is because I'm not a mug, not a follower, and don't like getting screwed by a business.

    How Much Profit Does Apple Make Per iPhone?

    It costs Apple $570 to make an iPhone 13 Pro, and the company sells it at a base price of $999 to $1499. This makes Apple’s base markup on the latest iPhone model at 75%.

    https://fourweekmba.com/how-much-profit-does-apple-make-per-…

    • andresampras on 20/09/2022 - 12:11
      +4

      I have questions.

      Does the $570 include development etc costs? Or just the hardware?

      Do you make all your purchasing decisions on cost price vs retail? Are you saying you prefer to support companies that make as little money as possible on their product?

      Does a 4-week MBA earn you a certificate?

      • dealsucker on 20/09/2022 - 15:56

        So damn right. The market decides the price of a product not what it cost the company to make.

      • Hahuh on 23/09/2022 - 23:38
        +1

        As much as I don't like the price, they really have top notch things in there soc, drive.

        You also can easily take your phone to convenient apple stores to have your problems sorted (who other than Samsung can even remotely make this claim?)

        You have global warranty and you could walk with your iPhone into a apple store overseas without being rushed out for not buying it on that country.

        They arguably support their devices the most ( project mainline bumps up updates in my book for at least 1 year).

    • Daabido on 20/09/2022 - 19:07

      Apple has targeted a 40% gross margin for well more than a decade. This is before the retailer puts on rather thin margin and GST is added.

  • hamwhisperer on 20/09/2022 - 08:09

    3 things

    No USB-C
    No Myki
    The keyboard is awful (Google keyboard specifically) - I don't like the Apple one and the Google one is amazing on my Android, I can type so fast, it like it knows me flawlessly.
    I used an iPhone for 3 solid months about 6 months ago and I tried so hard but the Google keyboard, it's very bad.

  • tabitha731 on 20/09/2022 - 08:12
    +3

    I refuse to be a slave to Apple’s marketing zombies.

  • Gandalf the Grey on 20/09/2022 - 08:29
    +1

    The lack of a universal back button. This is the biggest deal breaker for me.

  • Canberralad92 on 20/09/2022 - 08:34
    +1

    Price.

  • [Deactivated] on 20/09/2022 - 08:47
    +20
    • Lack of USB-C
    • Inferior notification system
    • No universal back gesture
    • No default apps (besides email and browser - see next point)
    • Limited to using Safari/webkit for browsers
    • Abstracted filesystem access. On android, you can access the filesystem and manually open files in any app. On iPhone, you have to do annoying workarounds like sharing from one app to another because everything is buried under their abstraction
    • Shit file transfer options. You can transfer files to any android using MTP on any computer (plug and play, it literally "just works"), where as with iPhone, you're limited to using proprietary apps or MacOS
    • Can't rearrange icons to your liking on the homepage because Steve Jobs said you're using it wrong
    • Poor sideloading support. You can only transfer sideloaded apps with a time limited period unless you buy a $100 developer certificate or use an app signed by a dodgy enterprise cert. Because of this, there is almost no ecosystem for FOSS apps. It's the exact opposite on Android.
    • Limited background app support
    • Most apps want a monthly subscription (which is fair enough on their part, but that isn't an issue on Android)
    • Lack of ultimate privacy. On Android (at least Pixels), you can install Graphene OS and get 95% of the experience with near-total privacy. On iPhone, they claim to keep your data private however Apple lies about this. When you activate your iPhone, it links all hardware identifiers on the iPhone to you. All of their first party apps will send some of the unique identifiers so doesn't matter what you do, Apple will always know it's you. other examples: If you enable messages backup, you lose end-to-end encryption (Apple won't tell you this though unless you dig through their website). Also, even if you disable all analytics, disable location, etc, it will send the Mac addresses of nearby devices on your wifi network to Apple - even Android doesn't do this. It's pretty easy to convert a list of nearby mac addresses to a location. https://www.scss.tcd.ie/doug.leith/apple_google.pdf
  • Brianqpr on 20/09/2022 - 08:49
    +1

    Price and the fact that they are just not as great as they are cracked up to be. My wife and kids all use iphones so I have first hand experience of what they are like. They do a job and they do it well. They are not immune from problems (have had a few issues over the years with different models) and to me are simply not worth the premium price. I had an iphone 4 back in the day but have been using android phones ever since.

    My current phone cost $360 or so around 18 months ago. I don't notice any difference in performance between it and my wife's iphone. Her camera is probably a bit better, but the gap is not huge. My battery lasts longer. Her phone may be a little quicker perhaps (I'm assuming this is the case), but not noticeably so. I have a 120hz AMOLED screen, decent camera, NFC etc, everything works fine and quickly. Don't see any good reason to pay an extra $800 or so for an iphone.

  • curryblender on 20/09/2022 - 08:52
    +1
    • I have bought a lot of apps. Need to spend money to get them on IOS
    • Easy of moving files to windows/Macbook etc. (Use Macbook for work, Windows for personal use)
    • USB, I use a lot of memory and usually transfer files to a USB stick using phone port
    • Google Lock, I don't remember passwords and moving all password to keychain will kill me.
  • BewareOfThe Dog on 20/09/2022 - 09:04
    +3

    Apple are usually 1 to 5 years behind Android.
    EG:-
    *USB-C
    *Folding Screens
    *Stylus Support
    *Wireless charging.

    Though Apple has had some 'great' Innovations like:-
    * Removing the 3.5mm Headphone socket
    * Removing the AC Adapter

    Apple needs to give their Retailers more margin. It's ridiculous that a retailler can make more on the case sometimes, than it does on the phone.

    • Nebargains on 20/09/2022 - 10:15
      +3

      They have just added 'always on display' to the iPhone 14… that has been on android phone for years.

    • FireRunner on 20/09/2022 - 18:12

      My iPhone 8 Plus has wireless charging. Has it been removed in newer models?

      • BewareOfThe Dog on 20/09/2022 - 21:09

        No Android, had wireless charging before Apple did, as well as NFC.

        Also, don't downgrade from an iPhone 8 to a current model. They were the last iPhones to get a decent reception, hence they were Telstra Blue-Tick (and Optus) recommended in Fringe areas (like nearly every Samsung S series, is blue tick approved).

        • FireRunner on 20/09/2022 - 22:16

          Thought your list was current missing features.
          And yeah, I plan on keep using this phone for a good while yet.

  • 2esc on 20/09/2022 - 09:14
    +3

    iPhone prices are considerably more on average for their base models.

    Some people say thats okay because they dont lose their value as quick as android phones but most people i know use their phone until its basically dead and dont feel the need to upgrade when the next model comes out. I have never bought a current top of the range model phone of any brand i cant justify the expense. Its still just a phone.

  • skillet on 20/09/2022 - 09:32
    +1

    Some apps like WiFiman a WiFi scanner runs full features on unrestricted Android. IOS loses a lot of important scanning features.

    • Hahuh on 23/09/2022 - 23:53

      Didn't know this.

      I use that app all the time.

  • shaybisc on 20/09/2022 - 09:58

    I had the idea that the cost of the camera, and I'm not interested in the camera, must be responsible for a lot of the high prices of fancy phones. But it seems I was wrong. Cost of the cameras in XS Max estimated to be $51.10. So what's the biggest component cost of an iPhone?

  • Ozpit on 20/09/2022 - 10:03

    What's The One Biggest Thing Keeping You from Going to an iPhone?

    Driving. Then I park the car, and all good.

  • MandMs13 on 20/09/2022 - 10:04
    +2

    Itunes is the number one reason, becoming part of the Apple fanboy club is another. Apple's arrogance as a company is also a big reason, basically telling you they invented it all when all they do is copy others. Then there's the whole file transfer from windows computers, etc.
    The only good thing Apple has going for it is Carplay, a much better integration than Android Auto

  • Nebargains on 20/09/2022 - 10:13
    +3

    Aside from price, I don't find iPhones particularly intuitive to use but my main issue is that you get locked into their ecosystem, if you want to take full advantage of their products and software then you need their other products - well you don't "need" them but then there are features that you just won't even take advantage of. Not to mention if you pay for any apps but then swap to an Android all that is lost (and vice versa of course).

    Meanwhile, want to swap manufactures with Android? No problem, you can do that.

  • dirtybigbjelke on 20/09/2022 - 10:24
    +3

    I recently bought an iPad. I find it so infuriating after using an Android device that I will never ever contemplate using an iPhone.

  • carlJack on 20/09/2022 - 10:36
    +1

    Every Iphone looks and feels the same. Thats absolutely boring.

  • Count Shagula on 20/09/2022 - 10:43
    +1

    Been using iPhones since the 3GS. Every android I’ve tried in-between has been (profanity) awful, that said I’ve only sampled Samsung. I don’t remember which iPhone I had but I went to a note 4 which was way more powerful than the phone I had but everything ran worse and apps crashed all the time, never had issue with iPhones. The only reason I went from an X to a 12 pro max was the plan cost was cheaper (I need unlimited data plans as I live super rural and it’s my family’s only source of internet). I sold the x for $800. I’d still be on that phone now if not for this being cheaper. I don’t see me upgrading for years still as this phone is fantastic for literally everything. It’s years old but still holds 3 days battery life, takes fantastic photos and is probably the most reliable piece of tech in my life. It’s also just as fast for literally everything as my high end gaming pc. Not an apple person either, I’d never buy a Mac as they don’t do what I want. I’m not really in the apple ecosystem either as I only really use a few photo and weather apps and Spotify for music

    • caitsith01 on 20/09/2022 - 16:10
      +2

      that said I’ve only sampled Samsung

      There's your problem.

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 20/09/2022 - 21:11
      +1

      MacOS > IOS by far.

      A Galaxy Note 4 was 6+ years ago.

  • SenatorDC on 20/09/2022 - 10:50

    I left iPhone after the 6 was released. Just back now as I’ve adopted the 14 pro
    Photo and file transfer was a deal breaker but now have OneDrive.
    Lack of always on display, now changed
    Low mp camera, now changed
    Low brightens and lack of oled, now changed
    Flat screen, curved is just too damage prone as cases can’t protect sides.

    All Google apps work so well now on iPhone, 5 days in haven’t missed anything so far

  • ESEMCE on 20/09/2022 - 10:51
    +3

    It's clearly price.
    It doesn't matter how much value iPhones retain. Nor does it matter that they have years more software support (and I'm assuming no custom ROM usage which eliminates this point)

    In my 12 years of Android Ownership, I've paid less than $1700 total for my handsets;
    Galaxy S1 $480 (upgraded after ~30 months while fully operational)
    LG G1 $300 (upgraded after ~30 months while fully operational)
    Xiaomi Redmi Note 3Pro $220 (upgraded after ~26 months - damage due to Power surge while charging - I was able to get it working again by literally removing a dead diode from the mainboard! But doing so made it a fire risk on anything but a 1A charger. I kept using it until I found the following good deal)
    Huawei Mate 10 $300 (upgraded after ~24 months - damaged due to dropping into water)
    Xiaomi Mi 9T $400 (34 months old - fully operational daily driver)

    Looking at my attrition rate (assuming a power surge would have killed any phone and water damage the same, or a smashed screen which seems to be an issue with every second iPhone), had I been an iPhone user, I'd have needed 3 iPhones at $1000 each minimum.
    I'd be at least $1300 out of pocket.

  • idonotknowwhy on 20/09/2022 - 10:58
    1. Unable to run Firefox (the !safari browsers on iOS are just WebViews wrapped in a gui.
    2. Lack of Headphone Jack.

    I also don't like the inability to plug-and-play to copy files without iTunes (mtp protocol on Android), but I can work around that.

    Edit: I assume there's an iOS equivilent to this app, which I use to read books when I'm multitasking:
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hyperionic…
    If not, that would also be a deal breaker.

  • morebunnings on 20/09/2022 - 11:01
    +1

    I find comparing iphone to android is like comparing a bmw to a toyota. Sure the bmw is better at a lot of things, but a toyota will get me from A to B with 80-90% of the speed and luxury a BMW does.

    Only daily apps I use are Firefox with adblock, fb messenger, modded gcam, chess.com app, google apps, $2/month youtube premium + music, and work email.

    I'd rather have my $400 xiaomi android + $1k to spend on something else than a $1400 iphone.

    • idonotknowwhy on 20/09/2022 - 11:03
      +2

      The difference is, a BMW can do everything a Toyota can do.

      Firefox with adblock

      You won't be doing this on iOS.

      • the wiz on 21/09/2022 - 16:34
        +3

        The difference is, a BMW can do everything a Toyota can do.

        Except the indicators don't work.

  • DogGunn on 20/09/2022 - 11:04
    +2

    After numerous problems with my Pixel 6, I have gone back to iPhone (with a 14 Pro Max) after having the iPhone 2G, 3G and 4, and occasional other iPhones usage in between 4 and 14.

    I am trying so hard to like my iPhone 14 Pro Max. I was hoping that it would have better reception than my Pixel 6, but it doesn't.

    Notifications are much improved since I last used it, but Android beats it hands down. The way you navigate apps I really don't like on iPhone - I think gesture navigation with back coming out from the sides on Android just works a hell of a lot better.

    But one of the major things that really annoys me is Safari being the rendering engine for every web browser on the app store. I really don't like how it renders pages.

    I'm honestly thinking of using the 2 week return period and just going back to my Pixel 6. For the most part, after getting it replaced by Google (and a full refund issued by Telstra), it seems to be doing okay.

  • AlanHB on 20/09/2022 - 11:20
    +2

    I'm not really sure what I'd use a $1200 phone for that I don't already use my $400 phone for. The reasoning is not exclusive to Apple obviously, but I'm not sure what value a more expensive phone would bring to my day-to-day life.

  • Tomcruise on 20/09/2022 - 11:36

    PORN, TUMBLR etc.

  • seraphim2017 on 20/09/2022 - 11:44

    iTunes,iInability to drag and drop anything I want, no expandable storage (I know, Android is following apple on that one!), lighning connector.

    iPhones are amazing devices for those that use them only as apple intended, but they don't suit me, don't like using my works iPhone.

  • DonWilson on 20/09/2022 - 11:46

    Audio jack and an app that's good at measuring wifi signal strength like Wifi Analyzer on Android. Non standardised charge plugs also annoying but not a deal breaker and apparently they're likely to switch to USB-C fully soon which will be nice.

    I like iPhones in general but I need those two things.

  • endolphin on 20/09/2022 - 11:49

    It's made by Apple.

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 20/09/2022 - 21:13
      +1

      Actually made by cheap chinese labour at Foxconn in China, using Samsung Screens, plus Samsung Semi-conductors.

  • shaybisc on 20/09/2022 - 11:51
    +1

    "When I hear the words prestige brand …, I release the safety on my Browning!"

  • jaimex2 on 20/09/2022 - 12:30
    +3

    Price.

    Cameras is better.

    Call screening

    Custom home screen, wallpaper and widgets just how I like them.

    USB C, headphone jack.

    Google Assistant's speed.

    Root access and custom roms.

    Complete control over what apps I run on AndroidAuto

    Apps that will never be allowed on iOS.

    I have nothing else in the Apple prison system.

  • JustASmoothSkin on 20/09/2022 - 12:31
    +2

    Tachiyomi, Youtube Vanced, LuckyPatcher, Torrents, TegraRCM, USB-C, Dual Sim, Micro-SD cards, Changing any settings I don't like down to a system level via adb and root, custom roms. The option to change to another android phone if the brand I am using does something I don't agree with.

    Had a iPhone 4S back in the day, Jailbroke it and was pretty alright till I had too many changes to it and it kept crashing, got fed up with wiping it and repeating the process especially when all I really wanted was Mewseek, Barrel and Transmission and even that made the phone unstable after a couple weeks. Got a Samsung Note 3 after that and have been android ever since. The simple bit that I can do with my phone what I want straight off the bat makes android a easy win for me. But that's only because I use my phone for alot more then checking emails and making phone calls.

  • AcrobaticMachine88 on 20/09/2022 - 12:32
    +6

    It may just be a familiarity thing, but as an IT professional of 25+ years, and having in the past managed mobile fleets of hundreds of (Android) handsets, everytime I pick up an iPhone and try do something serious with it I find I'm locked in and constrained in a way I'm just not on an (in no way perfect) Android based device. I prize utility over iOS forced user experience.

  • MindGrenadius on 20/09/2022 - 12:47
    +2

    I left iPhone after the 4. I had one, and liked it but the iTunes gatekeeping to my files and having to go through that god awful program anytime I wanted to make changes put me off. It's a shame because the hardware has IMO until recently always been superior due to the better software optimisation, but badly held back by the Fisher Price OS that was so restricted. Even when jailbrokenx, it was just too limited and clunky to do things like access files on it.

    Android cameras have finally caught up to an acceptable level and while there's still some things I would like to be using iPhone instead where the iPhone is superior, most of the time I'm pretty content with the Android ecosystem.

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 20/09/2022 - 21:14
      +1

      The cameras on Samsung in the last few years on the S series and Z series 4, are exceptional.

      • MindGrenadius on 22/09/2022 - 17:34

        Agreed. I got the S22U just after launch, I'm a full-time working photographer and I'm continually impressed with the quality. I actually use it on some jobs as a second camera (the 3x and 10x lenses come in handy from time to time). It's a shame certain apps still don't get the proper camera access like they do on iPhone though

        • BewareOfThe Dog on 22/09/2022 - 18:11

          Are you using Raw Mode yet?

          • MindGrenadius on 23/09/2022 - 08:12

            @BewareOfThe Dog: Yeah I've used the raw mode, it's quite impressive and the files are surprisingly malleable.

            Often times I just use the stock camera to get all the computational goodness, it is surprisingly effective particularly in situations with high dynamic range

  • Herbse on 20/09/2022 - 13:15

    Call screening. In today's environment of getting multiple spam calls a day, this saves a lot of hassle.

  • Mister Popo on 20/09/2022 - 13:19
    +1

    Navigation buttons.
    Ease of data transfer from PC to phone, vice versa.
    Youtube vanced.
    App drawer.
    And most recently just upgraded to a foldable phone- probably wont go back.

  • syousef on 20/09/2022 - 13:21
    +1

    A sense of self-preservation. I don't want to pay upwards of $2k to join a cult that gibbers nonsense slogans like "It just works" or that it's "brave" to remove the headphone jack and deal with being told how to use my phone when a $300-$400 device that lets me tinker, communicate and play games well and truly exceeds my needs.

  • Kayrhcp on 20/09/2022 - 13:42
    +1

    Here’s some advice a pretty tragic Apple user: if you’re worrying about whether you should get an iPhone or not, just don’t. Get what makes you happy and if that’s a cheaper phone that does all the same stuff, then go for it.

    Time spent worrying about apple is time wasted. Whether you like them or not. They’re just a company and their phone is just a phone.

  • meowmeowmeow on 20/09/2022 - 13:49
    +5

    There's no inbuilt "back" button on iphones - every app has the button in a different spot, or just doesn't have a back button at all. Infuriating.

  • Fobsessive on 20/09/2022 - 13:49
    +1

    Android file system access with just a simple app

  • DeToxin on 20/09/2022 - 14:00
    +1

    For me it's mainly price and also the hassle of changing ecosystems. To some extent also a philosophical choice - I just don't like the way Apple locks down their software so much and forces proprietary ports/accessories on it's users.

    There used to be a time when Android was much better for emulation, but I'm not sure that's the case anymore?

    My ideal phone right now would be an s22+ running the google version of Android rather than oneUI.

    • belongsinforums on 20/09/2022 - 21:36

      To install an emulator on an idevice, you need to trick it into dev mode to install using a computer. If your phone turns off, you need to repeat the process. And it apparently breaks every week.

  • Wayne7497 on 20/09/2022 - 14:01
    +3

    Because when I buy an Android phone i own it . When you buy an iPhone your just renting it. That plus Apples appalling business practices.

  • Shmack0 on 20/09/2022 - 14:08
    -1

    Upgraded to a 13 Pro from a 7 plus a few months ago. Been using the 7 for more than 5 yrs and was still getting updates this year. 🤭

  • markb28 on 20/09/2022 - 14:23
    +2

    The differences in the flagships are minor and iterative now with Apple and Samsung flagships offering small incremental improvements each year. I'm an Android user and the main things I wouldn't move are:

    Sideloading - I have international streaming apps on my phone, too difficult with Apple.
    USB-C - Absolutely vital on a phone and sheer bloody-mindedness not to have it on the iPhone
    Dex - Really useful desktop interface
    Google - I primarily use Google services and they work better here

    The differentiation in software isn't quite as great as it used to be - Samsung phones in particular are rock solid these days. Most Phone innovation is in the Fold/Flip type models, anyone with an iPhone 11/Samsung S20 and above have seen little new in the most recent models.

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 20/09/2022 - 21:15

      Unfortunately dex no longer supported on MacOS.

  • pauly85 on 20/09/2022 - 14:32
    +4

    I was forced to have an Iphone for work.
    Dropped it, cracked the screen to the point of being unusable.

    All i wanted to do was get the contacts off the phone.
    Called tech support and they kept saying I needed to go into the settings and switch on iCloud to recover them.
    I kept repeating that I couldn't because the screen doesn't work.
    After a horrific amount of bartering they told me that it wasn't possible.

    In the end I had to pay for and download software onto a PC that someone else had built to make it happen.

    Would've taken about ten seconds on Android.

  • witheredcouch on 20/09/2022 - 14:34

    Cost, and Myki. I generally end up destroying my phones through hard use after a few years, so resale isn't particularly applicable, but being able to get a capable phone for sub-$400 that doesn't feel like I am compromising much, is great.

    Also, after getting used to having Myki through my phone I would find it very difficult to change.

  • Canberralad92 on 20/09/2022 - 14:42
    +3

    I'll add to this argument that imo the top tier of phones on either side are a waste of money and should really only be for those with deep pockets. But due to marketing hype (myself included) people on lower wages felt compelled to always have the latest phone.

    I have since grown out of this and am rocking a $250 poco phone that does the job perfectly for everyday use for over a year now. Mid range phones are significantly better than the price point allowed years ago and present exceptional value if you do your research and get something decent.

    +1 to anybody who also works a trade or rough day job and smashes their screen and phone up beyond all belief with everyday use.

  • Bid Sniper on 20/09/2022 - 14:58
    +1

    I buy the one that has better features; SD card, headphone jack, large 5200aH battery, dual SIM, easy to use, easy to copy and paste from, USB-C cable, doesnt break if I drop it.

    Also can be repaired
    iPhone 14 Pro Programmed To Reject Repair - Teardown and Repair Assessment
    https://youtu.be/K2WhU77ihw8

    Oh its $1500 cheaper too (Samsung A52)

  • baldur on 20/09/2022 - 15:07
    -1

    Ridicolous pricing. Every new single apple release is 30 percent highly priced than the previous one. Do our salaries increase by 30 every year? No.

    • dealsucker on 20/09/2022 - 16:02
      +3

      If I am reading this right, the iPhone should cost around $4000 today (compounding 30% for the last 5 years) but it turns out it costs almost the same as iPhone X did 5 years back!

      • Daabido on 20/09/2022 - 19:31
        +1

        How very dare you, bringing facts and logic to this monkey knife fight!

        I've enjoyed the thread. Mostly it has been very well thought out.

    • SydStrand on 20/09/2022 - 18:47

      Erm, what?

  • TRANCE on 20/09/2022 - 15:13

    Same thing keeping me from macbook, iOS.

    • BewareOfThe Dog on 20/09/2022 - 21:17

      The MAcbook is actually a brilliant product. If Apple made a phone as good as this it would be a copy of the Fold 4, running Android.

  • Logical on 20/09/2022 - 15:26
    +2

    Because it is an Apple product.

  • Puglife on 20/09/2022 - 15:47
    +1

    I used to have an Iphone and when i went to upgrade, the Samsung version was basically the same phone but $500 cheaper. Seemed like a no brainer. It took a bit to get used to the new layout etc but the phone is now 5 years old, works flawlessly and i have no regrets.
    I might consider an Iphone in the future but i think price should reflect the product, not the name.
    I currently have 0 apple products and i havent ceased to exist yet….

  • Talaii on 20/09/2022 - 15:54
    +3

    Honestly, a few things:
    1. Price. I have specific things I care about in a phone (as big as possible oled screen, 300+GB storage). I can meet these requirements easily and cheaply on an android phone without even needing to buy a flagship - I just picked up a new phone for about $500. Meeting them on an iphone means spending a huge amount more money - from the current prices from apple I'm looking at $1750 for a 6.1" screen, or a whopping $2400 to match my 6.7" screen. That's a huge difference.
    2. Emulators. I like playing retro games on my phone, and as far as I'm aware Apple doesn't allow emulators on the app store, which makes installing and updating them somewhere between a giant pain and impossible. I'll also note that I couldn't find an easy way to check this, since I couldn't find a way to browse the app store from my (non-apple) computer. I guess I'm just spoiled by the play store - which can be accessed easily from a web browser.
    3. USB-C. Everything I use is USB-C - kindle, laptop, phone, chargers, etc. I don't want to have to carry a second type of cable just for my phone - and I don't want to have to deal with a second round of adapters (to connect USB-A devices, audio devices, displays, etc).
    4. Inertia. I have my phone set up the way I want, with the apps I want. I don't want to have to spend time finding equivalents on the app store - or money purchasing apps.

    From what I've seen of iphones, they are lovely if you are entirely inside the apple ecosystem - if you have a Mac and an iPad and an Apple TV. But they are incredibly expensive devices, that might be slightly better than my current device in specific situations. Sure, they may have great resale value, but I don't like carrying a nearly $2000 device around in my pocket everywhere I go.

  • caitsith01 on 20/09/2022 - 16:08
    • I want to use my own choice of services, not be forced to use iCloud and iWhatever.
    • I dislike Apple's corporate behaviour in relation to things like intentionally breaking messaging from Android devices
    • the last time I owned an Apple product (back in the early iPod days) I (profanity) loathed iTunes and their whole 'walled garden' approach
    • I want control over my own hardware and want it to show up as a mass storage device with a simple USB cable etc
    • I hate non-standardised chargers
    • I find Apple's UI and settings over-simplified and annoying
    • Apple's popularity with a certain type of person really grates on me
    • the cultish behaviour of Apple fanatics really grates on me
    • I feel like I get better features on my current phone for less money

    To be fair to Apple, the one thing that does attract me about their stuff is their apparent commitment of late to genuine user privacy - end to end encryption, not selling your maps data, not handing stuff over to law enforcement, etc.

    • Daabido on 20/09/2022 - 21:20

      What certain type of person?

      • TheRealCJ on 23/09/2022 - 12:34

        Obsessive fanboys who tie their personality and self-worth into the expensive toys they own.

  • drumondo on 20/09/2022 - 16:20
    +1

    I'm set up in the Android ecosystem, and there's an endless selection of phones I can buy which will connect straight to my account. Different budgets, different characteristics (I'm usually operating a Pixel, P6 atm). Everything works with it, no issues.

    Go to Apple and you get proprietary bullshit and a few, premium-priced devices. No thanks.

  • [Deactivated] on 20/09/2022 - 16:26
    -1

    Apart from the obvious price, there's also the actual using the phone. Everything's locked down. Proprietary software and cables. Women and artists love Apple. The Chinese love Apple. Me? No.

  • DASHCAM NOW DUDE on 20/09/2022 - 16:30
    +1

    It’s just the cable. I refuse to use lightning. Everything else is usb-c. My iPad is usb-c!

    • PurchaseAnxiety on 20/09/2022 - 16:55
      +1

      It's crazy that Apple introduced a single port USB-C Macbook in 2015. Imagine buying that Macbook believing that Apple was going all in on USB-C, only to still be using lightning cable 7 years later.

      • BewareOfThe Dog on 20/09/2022 - 21:18
        +1

        The L in Apple does not stand for Logical.

      • TheRealCJ on 23/09/2022 - 12:37
        +1

        I explained this to someone not long ago. I used to use airpods pro, and it was incredibly annoying having to remember the one proprietary charging cable when literally every other device I own charges via usb c - my phone, laptop, games console, tablet, even my portable power bank.

        So if I forgot the cable for any of those devices, I can use one of the other three I had with me. If I forgot my airpods cable, I have no way of charging them.

        And what annoyed me more was after I said this I had people tell me "Just go buy a cable lol." because apparently the solution to every Apple problem is 'throw more money at it'

        • ihfree on 23/09/2022 - 15:25

          Fanboys sure are annoying with their love of lightning. The other common response is just use wireless charging.

          I thought I'd forgotten a lightning cable on holiday and my solution was going to be to use my phone's reverse charging capability. Lighting for me is annoying as it's extra cables I wouldn't otherwise have or need.

          It's only a matter of time before lightning disappears completely.

  • Ziglez on 20/09/2022 - 16:51
    +2

    I work in telecommunications and sadly a lot of softphone applications have issues with Apple, I've also gotten used to the UI as I've had android since the HTC Nexus.

    I've used my Wives iPhone 13 though and I do admit the Camera feels nicer than my S21 and a lot of applications seem smoother.

    Honestly I don't prefer either over the other, I don't find one better than the other, kind of like PC and MAC, they have their advantages and disadvantages.

  • newbo on 20/09/2022 - 16:52

    The dumbness of not being able to use the apps I want to use.
    I can't say, "Hey Siri, take me home" and use Google maps. Was a huge pain while my address didn't exist on Apple maps.

    • theguyrules on 21/09/2022 - 10:06

      … have you tried saying "Hey Siri, take me home using Google Maps"?
      I just did and it worked.

  • kaleidoscope on 20/09/2022 - 18:23

    For my mate it's the humiliation/ shame.

  • m2pic on 20/09/2022 - 18:47

    I had a Huawei p30. I miss the camera. Otherwise I'm super happy with my iPhone 12 mini.

  • ihfree on 20/09/2022 - 21:00
    +1

    Lack of USB-C rules it out completely.

    Other irritations:

    • Lack of a proper filesystem
    • Inability to use third party apps(rarely do anyway)
    • Familiar with Android
    • Stuck with safari browser engine

    Minor:

    • repurchase of apps
    • Google Ecosystem - eg: drive is not as fully featured

    Positives:

    • Can use with other Apple products - copy and paste between devices would be particularly useful
    • Many apps from Google feel high quality
    • Decent camera
    • Easier to buy accessories
  • belongsinforums on 20/09/2022 - 21:30

    Try installing an emulator on an idevice.

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