Mac Studio M1 Max, for those who want to own this machine, great price.
Got price beat from OW.
All the best.
UPDATE :
Officeworks has updated it's price to $2 below JB around 5pm today 26 Oct.
Seems they received too many Price Match requests.
I just did a rough calc on the RBA inflation calculator and that translates to nearly $12k as at 2021.
Really? It was less than U$2k on base model during launch…
My maxed-out Mac Pro was $80k… and that didn’t include the fancy monitor, so I’m not sure which straw you are clutching at
not our fault you wasted money on wheels for your stainless steel frame…
You make a good point, but I actually have used that feature many times to clean the dust that accumulates underneath. Those wheels are smooth as butter… well, for now…
@tharlow: Those wheels costed $600. Considering we're having this chat onOzBargain, I find it comical that $99 more than the cost of those wheels is enough for this:
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/709751
16GB RAM
GTX 1660S
500GB NVMe
Ryzen 3 4100
It's actually a solid build for the cost of "smooth" wheels :)
@Zackeroo: It’s difficult to compare a (probably!) low-volume, high-quality item with something that is mass-produced. When you factor in design and production costs, these exclusive wheels are the competitively-priced dog’s bollocks of computer locomotion
these exclusive wheels are the competitively-priced dog’s bollocks of computer locomotion
You couldn't ask for more than that.
@tharlow: Yea fair enough haha. It obviously wasn't a comparison where I was saying you should have bought the $699 PC instead. You would have no use for it.
It's just interesting that the amount of money you paid on wheels for a PC can almost get you a complete and pretty solid PC.
you probably paid for Steve Job's bidet
No shit
8TB SSD for 3k lol wow
not clutching at all… just pointing out this is comparatively cheap
While computers are certainly cheaper than the mid 90s you can spend up to $12k on a fully specced Mac Studio.
Specs: Apple Mac Studio with M1 Max chip, 10-core CPU, 24-core GPU, 512GB SSD, 32GB RAM
Edit: I have been using one (same specs except I opted for the 1TB) for some time now and want to add my experience.
It's a great machine that takes on anything I could chuck at it (video and photo editing).
Wished I added more more RAM + storage space though.
I have had issues with audio USB devices that are plugged in via the USB-A port:
The Elgato Wave XLR headphone jack outputs static (mic input is fine) – switching to the USB-C port is fine though.
The Rode NT-USB mini absolutely fails to work regardless of cable or port.
Rode support has confirmed that people have had issues with the NT-USB mini working with the Mac Studios, but stopped short of suggesting a solution.
I MIGHT have a lemon but have found workarounds.
Would still recommend this.
it's interesting that you mentioned you regret not adding more memory and storage. I bought the M1 Max in June with a spec jump to GPU core, 64GB memory and 1 TB storage. I wasn't sure whether the memory upgrade was overkill, as even when I load up the Adobe apps there's still 25+GB free. My plan was the future-proof it for a few years, so the $600 extra is hopefully worth it.
Welp yeh cant upgrade it without buying a whole new one, its the apple way TM
It's actually a limitation of technology. Once we can't fit more transistors onto a piece of silicon performance gains can only be had through low-level integration of components.
There's always a trade-off between performance and upgradability and we are at a point where upgradibility is isnt worth the performance hit.
Very true. Unified on-chip memory is so much faster than external memory. Somebody did a memory bandwidth test on an M1 Max vs a Ryzen 7590x with DDR5 memory and the M1 was 50% faster.
@Dogsrule: It only has high bandwidth because it has a wide memory bus, due to the needs of it's integrated graphics.
Being Unified or "on-chip" (which is not true BTW) does not have anything to do with it (other than saving PCB space),
The same bandwidth could be achieved with a wider bus on the AMD system (e.g like Threadripper), but in the 7950x's case, it only has a basic onboard GPU and does not need extra memory bandwidth to smash the M1 Max's CPU performance.
P.S: Any modern AMD or Intel CPU has "Unified memory" when using their onboard GPU (including all the fancy features like zero copy transfers).
Being Unified or "on-chip" (which is not true BTW) does not have anything to do with it
It absolutely is on-chip, here's a photo:
https://www.apple.com/au/newsroom/2020/11/apple-unleashes-m1…
It is not however, on-die, which is probably what you were thinking of. Apple A & M series silicon are SOC's remember.
does not need extra memory bandwidth to smash the M1 Max's CPU performance.
Considering it uses 2.35x the power consumption to achieve less than double the performance, and being nearly 2 years newer than the M1 series, I'm not impressed. The M2 Max and Ultra are here next month, let's see how the Ryzen goes against them.
The 128 bit memory bus is not just a by-product of the integrated GPU's needs - the CPU cores would be memory starved without it as well. As shown in the test the Ryzen is starved for memory after 6 active cores which shows that AMD under specced the memory bus. Anyway, here's the test, see for yourself:
https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/y8z714/m1_max_versus…
P.S: Any modern AMD or Intel CPU has "Unified memory" when using their onboard GPU (including all the fancy features like zero copy transfers).
P.S: the CPU and GPU being on the same silicon then having to go out onto a memory bus 10's of times longer than an on-chip arrangement to access their 'unified memory' is not something to brag about.
Not true, everything can be upgradable, it would just make it larger and more power hungry.
I bought a M1 Max with 10-core CPU, 32-core GPU and 16-core Neural Engine 64GB unified memory 512GB SSD storage. No regret at all, everything go smoothly and never hear any noise from the fans. Highly recommended
What real world experience would you get additional with 64gb of RAM in your workflow?
I didn't see the need for 64GB initially. Especially coming from a 2016 MBP 16GB.
But since getting the Mac Studio, I run plex + sonarr + radarr servers in one user account.
I have a separate user account for work. During work hours, especially with MS Teams running, figma running, and browser chocked full of tabs, the OS will use the swap memory.
I have since used Teams as a browser app, which helped tamed the memory usage.
Your new, wonderful Mac with 64 GB using swap while running merely 3 file servers, figma, teams and a browser (even full of loaded tabs) is only a proof that the OS is just making use of that memory, not necessarily needing it.
My point being: I bet you wouldn't notice a difference having half the RAM on this machine. Potentially even on 16 GB would run as smooth.
How do you run teams as a browser app? You mean from a browser tab? Does that not spike your browser memory use..? I might try if it results in better mem usage from teams
@Raj09: Yes, but I run it separately as a web app. Teams was finicky as a stand-alone app. And kept installing the Intel version (instead of the Arm).
Probably cheaper to move that plex/*arr to a raspi or refurb dell machine than adding ram to the mac.
@SaddenAscentAspirin: Yeah, part of the reason why I chose the studio was the low power consumption. Raspi was a little underpowered, but I reckon it’s the way I set it up.
had the same exact issue with Rode NT-USB mini into USB-A port… produced a lot of static and did not function properly… i have since plugged it into the thunderbolt ports at the back of the Mac Studio and it seems to have solved the issue….
Howard Oakley’s documented this issue with the same finding - rear ports perform differently to the front
This is the Apple EDU price, but PB at OW makes it even better.
If you're a Macquarie Bank member or any other member that gets 5% off apple gift cards it's the same price plus free delivery from apple.
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/wiki/discounted_egift_cards#:~:…
Can you use the gift cards on the EDU store?
Yes, you just need to load up onto your Apple ID account balance, and use the account balance to pay off.
Ah but you can get one of the swap gift cards discounted and you can turn that into office works gift card and then you’ve got a real bargain. Did that myself recently ;)
OW beat is for JB HiFi price
M1 chip with 32GB RAM, holy smoke, this machine can do anything🥹.
Can it fly you to space?
I've had this playing for 10 minutes - thanks
Except run containers without slow ass IO speeds thanks to the need to run a VM.
Such a shame in a containerised world, Macs just suck as dev machines now :(
You can run Code Ready Container (CRC) in it , and if you want full featured kubernetes, you can follow this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDpbl9EfwwQ
When we tried running k9s in a VM the IO took way too much of a hit.
Apple did something good with virtualisation in latest MacOs Ventura, stay tuned
Lol. Try opening 50 safari webpages simultaneously. I have, and 32GB is fully utilised. At that point other apps such as Photos become unstable leading to crashes. 64GB is probably the safest bet.
Try opening 50 safari webpages simultaneously. I have,
Hmm, I didn't realise my wife was on OzB, hey honey.
I have 50 safari tabs open right now on my 8GB M1 MBP. I think Safari must intelligently kills problematic tabs and reloads them when you click on it again 🤷🏽
It is a financial wizard too. My debt is magically $2700 larger.
it has more than two tb ports?
wow, luxury
So original. So witty. So wow.
/s
Would this be any good for gaming?
league of legends is the only one that I can think of that it runs but i doubt it runs the others
I am sorry but call me old school but macs are not designed for games ….. period if you want to game get a PC. If you want to do actual productivity, like video editing, etc then get a mac. Like me I have my PC just for games thats all its used for its games and nothing else. and everything else is done on my mac.
unless you use it for both productivity and gaming, in which just buy a pc
only issues with that PCs don't support applications like Final cut pro or Xcode. as well as Apple configurator to enrolling iOS and ipad OS devices. Not to mention many other applications that are Mac only apps.
Good luck getting a PC to run apps that only run on macs :)
@kungfuman: I ran dual OS boot on my last mac, that way can run windows and mac apps. The gaming question was really about the hardware specs, especially the graphics card. My last mac was pretty woeful for running games on either OS
@Ozimodo: unfortunatly bootcamp is a intel only option and not a M1 or M2 apple cpu option.
and running a VM isn't good so I wouldn't do that but yes I used to get a mac pro back int he intel days and run bootcamp for windows gaming. being about to put almost any graphics card in a mac is the good old days unfortunatly not the case now with the new macs
@Ozimodo: yes its one of the sticking points for most people lol that you can't run bootcamp windows any more.
@ubcool: but yet your can't get final cut x. xcode, or apple configuator on pc. you can have 1000s of apps on windows doesn't mean they have the right apps.
Really depends what you want to run.
It would be more suited to a casual gamer.
Have a look at a Mac gaming on Reddit to get an idea.
no buy a PC
Resident Evil Village comes to Mac in a few days, I bet it runs fine on this.
Doesn't come with a monitor….buy a 4k oled tv or monitor for it….and it doesn't output 120hz 4k lol
Awesome work Apple (profanity) over your customers.
It's limited to 60hz due to apple whereas if you connect it to a pc you get 120hz.
You can definitely output at 120Hz with this!
No you can't - read the thousands of reddit and other forum posts.
https://www.reddit.com/r/mac/comments/tueui2/just_checking_s…
It's a big issue - apple limit it to 60hz over hdmi 2.1 via software. There's thousands of posts of people testing different cables etc. No go.
Apple only allow it to their own studio monitor. Everything else is stuck at 60hz on hdmi 2.1.
Im stuck at 60hz on my macbook pro unfortunately.
Waste of my amazing lg c2 42 inch oled hence why i'm on the pc
I have my mac mini giving me 4k 144hz LG GN950
@PennyPincher11: We are talking at 4K not 1440p
https://www.reddit.com/r/macmini/comments/jsosie/support_for…
On the stats and support for the max studio it even quotes “4K at 60hz” geez
“ Simultaneously supports up to five displays:
Support for up to four Pro Display XDRs (6K resolution at 60Hz and over a billion colours) over USB-C and one 4K display (4K resolution at 60Hz and over a billion colours) over HDMI
Thunderbolt 4 digital video output
Native DisplayPort output over USB‑C
Thunderbolt 2, DVI and VGA output supported using adapters (sold separately)
HDMI display video output
Support for one display with up to 4K resolution at 60Hz
@PennyPincher11: So you reckon your mac mini displays above the tech specs and thousands of people worldwide are lying …. Ok 😂
@PennyPincher11: pennypitcher doesnt know what hes saying. Its locked at 60hz 4k on the apple tech specs on the apple website.
Just cause your 144hz monitor can do 144hz does not mean magically it will do 3 times above what the hardware is capable of.
It will do 60hz
@23Marc23: Pennypincher made the assumption that because his works, all 4K screens will work. This is incorrect - Apple's HDMI implementation is gimped. I personally own a M1 Mini + C2, along with many adaptors including a USB-C HDMI 2.1 that works on my PC, the fact is, unfortunately Apple does not currently support higher than 60hz when using 4K via HDMI.
Likewise the others are assuming that because their monitor doesn't work, Pennypincher is lying - in which case you are probably also incorrect. If he's using TB to DP for instance, then it's entirely possible that he does have functional 4K144 on his M1 mac, it just won't work for those of us using HDMI.
Although Pennypincher's tone could be a little nicer, his point about reading it again stands, as the spec sheet clearly lists 6k60. 6k being limited to 60hz doesn't imply 4k is the same when you are using TB/DP.
Seems like this guy has it working and he is running the same monitor as Pennypincher right?
Simultaneously supports up to two displays:
One display with up to 6K resolution at 60Hz connected via Thunderbolt and one display with up to 4K resolution at 60Hz connected via HDMI
Almost $3k and only 512gb storage…
I know right, what a bloody bargain.
buys 3
That's not native. Looks like you've got scaling.
2560x1440@144Hz is not 4K@144Hz
Thats UI scaling though. The resolution should be as advertised. (Just scales the graphics larger/smaller etc)
My question is why does it say (5120x2880)(5K) when its a 4K monitor (3840x2160)
@JackFrost: Because I use scale ratio to make the UI look like 2560x1440. If I change to use the native scale FHD it will see normal resolution. My monitor is Gigabyte M32U.
@JackFrost: Thats the way macos scaling works, it scales to 5K (double 1440p) then back down the 4k to the display.
I just can't leave the confort of my m1 macbook pro yet :D but it is tempting.
You definitely got conforted
I’m holding out for a M2 Mac Mini… fingers crossed this year or early next year.
M2 is slower than M1 Pro and M1 Max
But good enough for my own use case
I am currently with M1 Mac Mini and regret on picking up 8GB / 256GB basic model
Will get 16GB / 512GB for the M2 Mac Mini
Hope that Apple will release it in late Oct / early Nov
and get some extra discounts during Good Friday sales
But an M2 Pro and Max/ Ultra should be faster right?
Rumours suggest that new Mac Mini will not feature a Max / Ultra M2 chip
It would however likely to have a Mac Mini M2 Pro, along with the Mac Mini M2
Price wise will be between around $1400 USD / $2200 AUD
Seems not too attractive if comparing the M1 Max Mac Studio for $2649.55 (OW pricebeat)
https://www.macworld.com/article/678527/mac-mini-m1-pro.html
Thought about this but feel like the M2 price might be a fair bit higher than the current 1k range for the base model (as its first gen M1 chip)… Very tempted to just grab a M1 mac mini if it goes on sale before M2 comes out.
I was browsing Mwave and i see they have the M1 Max Macbook Pros on offer, some with 64gb RAM 😮
https://www.mwave.com.au/searchresult?button=go&w=Mbp1022&af…
And to think I paid $6.5K for a apple powerpc 7200/90 in the mid 90s… This is cheap as f