CRUCIAL CT4000MX500SSD1 MX500 4TB, 2.5" INTERNAL SATA SSD, 560R/510W MB/s, 5YR WTY
Product Specifications
SSD series MX500
Interface SATA (6Gb/s)
Capacity 4TB
Form factor 2.5-inch (7mm)
Sequential Read 560 MB/s
Sequential Write 510 MB/s
SSD Endurance (TBW) 1000TB
Warranty Limited 5-year
Whats the go peeps, how many MB/s R&W do we actually need in 2023? I know m.2 has a place but the pcie4+ speeds just a flex & cash waste?
Horses for courses.
Pcie4+ would be valued by people who constantly read and write to disk (e.g. video editing).
SATA is good enough for people who can wait a few seconds more than pcie3 or 4 to load AAA games.
I'd imagine one would struggle to see the difference in performance for office productivity.
I'm yet to see a game benchmark where the level load time betweeen SATA and M2 SSD's isn't more than 1, maybe 2 seconds. That on 19-20 second stints.
When DirectStorage arrives it'll blow the hole open, but it hasn't…and still won't apply to the vast back catalogue.
Gaming = crucial mx500 and Samsung 870 evo
Professional work loads = gen 3 gen 4 m.2 nvme drives (plus a few extra seconds saved in game load times)
Normal day to day usage it's all the same unless you trying to do many things at once then the faster speeds might mean you have more head room to do more stuff like having a faster CPU or GPU.. You can get away with more stuff before it starts to hit its limit.
But yeah I am a huge advocate of cheap SSD's just make sure the TBW endurance rating is not too bad but even then the ultra budget stuff should be good enough for the majority.
Nowadays you might be forced into getting at least one M2 drive, if only because cost cutting by manufacturer's has meant that most mid tier boards are now down to 4 SATA ports as standard.
Bulk storage is still with HDD (and maybe cheap SATA SSD).
It's not just cost-cutting, it's saving PCIe lanes for moar speed.
Nice price..
But its CPL..
I'd rather wait for other retailers to catch up…
Agree. Dishonest lot and generally avoid them now. Used to be my go to a decade ago.
Agree.
I think CPL and CentreCom the C-Twins contribute a lot of memory Ozbargainers do not like to recall…
What's wrong with centrecom?
@TripleJJJ: Centrecom generally doesn't have a large stock of items so it cannot handle OZB demand.
CPL is probably in the same boat. However, honestly, majority of computer retailers here have the same issue. Which retailer has the guts to stock hundreds of these?
The bit I am more interested is the after sale service. Years ago, I had to return a faulty SSD to Centrecom. The staff actually advised me not to get a replacement (because that OCZ SSD is bad). He arranged a full refund for me (it did take longer to get a full refund, but I did get it). That said, one thing I did find a bit annoying. Centrecom retail stores may not have the correct price as shown online. You do need to double check for discounted items.
@netsurfer: Well, I CAN NOT agree.
As a victim for CentreCom's dishonest practice. They do have enough stock to fulfill OZB's order. However true reason is whether CentreCom would like to fulfuill the order.
My order is successfully processed and I received "ready to pick up" message. After my order was cancelled fo "insufficient stock", I contacted my pick up store. The store staff confirmed my order was cancelled not for the reason"insufficient stock" because it was the same staff who picked up the memory module for my order and the memory module was on the store shelf when I was talking with him. The true reason was because of the price which might cause a potential loss and CentreCom regretted.
I do not know if you have ever shopped with CentreCom after your "Years ago" experience. If your answer is no, I would highly recommend you try now.
@TripleJJJ: Okay, I re-checked that deal. So, it is about pricing error. From my experience dealing with Centrecom, unless that item is clearance item, that price is unrealistic from Centrecom. If it were a clearance item, there generally isn't enough stock to worth posting it on OZB. Let's be honest, once a pricing error deal got posted on OZB, the chance of getting it honoured dropped significantly.
I have shopped at Centrecom recently. They did price match a NUC for me (and they included a power cable). Another one was they charged me the wrong price, and when I visited the store the next day, they did refund me the difference.
About Centrecom:
I do not know if you have ever shopped with CentreCom after your "Years ago" experience. If your answer is no, I would highly recommend you try now.
I don't get it. If you "highly" recommend I try it, are you saying you are okay with CentreCom service? Anyway, we, OZBers have zero store loyalty. Next time a bargain deal comes, we will still go for it.
@netsurfer: "Price error"?Are you still buying it??Really???
If it is "price error", why Centrecom didn't say it in the email instead of fabricating the excuse "insufficient stock"?Why?
Because no-one would believe it is "price error" even CentreCom management itself.
12/12 Kingston Fury Beast RGB DDR4 32GB Kit (2x16GB) 3200MHz CL16 RAM $109 + $5 Metro Delivery ($0 VIC C&C) + Surcharge @ Centre Com
——-Price Error!!!
25/12 GeIL 32GB (2x16GB) 3000MHz CL16 DDR4 RAM, Orion Rust Red $99, Super Luce RGB Sync $99 (Expired) + Delivery ($0 VIC/WA C&C) @ PLE
——-Wow!Yay!Fantastic deal!!!
I understand they are different band and slight differnt spec, but "32GB RAM around $100 is price error"?????
Anyway, we, OZBers have zero store loyalty. Next time a bargain deal comes, we will still go for it.
From now I would not shop with CentreCom. There are so many tech retail shops to choose locally and online. I would not mind I pay some "Avoid-CentreCom" premium by shopping with its competitor.
Well, "Next time a bargain deal comes", do you still think CentreCom will still honour the deal???If CentreCom does, please do report back to the OZB community.
I am just a individual. I do not and can not represent every member in the OZB community. However, I do hope some and even more OZBer could void dishonest and dodgy company like CentreCom.
@MagnamoniousRex: 12/12 Kingston Fury Beast RGB DDR4 32GB Kit (2x16GB) 3200MHz CL16 RAM $109 + $5 Metro Delivery ($0 VIC C&C) + Surcharge @ Centre Com
——-Price Error!!!
25/12 GeIL 32GB (2x16GB) 3000MHz CL16 DDR4 RAM, Orion Rust Red $99, Super Luce RGB Sync $99 (Expired) + Delivery ($0 VIC/WA C&C) @ PLE
——-Wow!Yay!Fantastic deal!!!
@TripleJJJ: Well, if that's what happened, wasn't it good for you at the end? You ended up getting the $99 deal?
Since when do we, OZBers, black list a store with 1 or 2 pricing error, especially around Christmas time? Also, because it is an AUS retail chain, it's one strike and out?
You also voted for this deal:
Silicon Power XPOWER Zenith 32GB (2x 16GB) DDR4 3600MHz CL18 Memory $119.95 + Delivery
Honestly, based on your past votes, I am puzzled why you wanted that Kingston DDR4 3200 CL16 RGB kit deal that bad. The only thing I can think of is you really wanted a RGB RAM kit.
My personal experience with Kingston main consumer range RAM modules is mixed (especially with AMD Ryzen based systems). Kingston generally puts in just enough. I would only opt for Kingston consumer range RAM modules if they are the cheapest. So, I don't get the big fuss about that deal. That set of RAM modules might look good cosmetically, but there is zero overclock headroom. I would also not even bother if I want to go 64GB RAM (i.e. 2 of those kits). I know for sure one of my AMD systems will not run DDR4-3200 with that Kingston modules (for 4 DIMMs).
@netsurfer: It is not your business for what I bought and what I would like to buy.
It is my business to spread the word to advise other Ozber to void dishonest and dodgy business.
@TripleJJJ: But, it is your business to question what I buy from Centrecom. Also, sarcastically recommend I buy things from Centrecom.
I only buy certain items from Centrecom, majority of time, clearance items. I generally don't bother with Centrecom deals posted on OZB because even if they are decent, they will be OZB'ed by the time I get around to them. Before Covid, some of the Centrecom Boxing Day sales, other people got all the good deals at the stores.
Personally, I generally wouldn't buy RAM modules from Centrecom because I don't ever recall they've been competitive on RAM modules. Even for the NUC I bought from them (which they price matched and included a power cable), I did not buy RAM modules from them. I drove to a different store to get the RAM modules.
Honestly, I don't get the big fuss about the Kingston RAM module kit. I have the 16GB kit module, non-RGB version of it. I have experience with Kingston DDR4-3200 RAM modules (years ago, I returned 1 kit (faulty) and it was a pain to bring my PC to the store to show it failed extended memory test). To be frank, I would get as small amount of it as possible. 32GB kit, I most certainly won't go Kingston DDR4-3200. My Kingston DDR4-3200 kit is for my secondary PC which I don't really give a damn about (it was cheapest kit at the time). That memory kit has zero overclock headroom. It's not about overclock, it is more about having some margin. Kingston simply gives you the bare minimum with the cost effective range.
I don't want to see Aussie retail chains to close down. It's not easy for them. One pricing error and the retail chain is forever blacklisted is too harsh. At Centrecom, at least you get to see / have a look at quite a lot of items in person.
The correct question is what’s not wrong with centrecom?
What's wrong with centrecom?
Nothing really - they cancelled orders from a deal they listed with a price error. Just like 95% of other retailers do 🤷🏼♂️
Not sure where all the hurt is coming from - order cancellations are just the norm where mistakes are involved.
@Nom: Seems like a couple of salty posters.
CPL has had a terrible reputation for years comparing them to someone who cancelled a price error is stupid
What sort of issues? I've used them a few times. Had an issue with slow re-delivery from the courier. Then had to do a RMA on a product, which took 2 months to resolve, but got there in the end.
What exactly are the issues with CPL? FWIW, I've never personally had any problems with them, but most of my transactions have generally been quite simple. I did have one warranty replacement, but that was processed easily with CPL.
I haven't used CPL's warranty service. CPL does stock some harder to source items. However, a number of CPL stores use 2 queues system. You queue up to buy the item(s). Then wait in another queue(s) to collect the items. That is annoying.
Yeah, I agree it's annoying, but curious to hear about what the really negative experiences are that warrant a neg.
@p1 ama: Yeah, me too. It's getting harder and harder for those retailers. They don't have the buying power of Amazon.
CPL Notting hill has a ticket based lineup system and then after you place your order you wait for your ticket to be called again to collect the goods.
CPL Preston you can just go up to the counter and order then you get served. The place backs up in queues a lot though since they only employ one person at a time to work the front counter, on some days I have waited 40min to get my stuff.
Prices are still good though & the stock is decent there. My preferred in person retailer when buying up bulk for my repair business.
@Agret: CPL Notting Hill - yeah, I refer that as 2 queues. Not a fan of that system.
CPL Preston - I think it is a bit better (since it is single queue), but yes, as you pointed out, usually just 1 staff there. I haven't visited that store during busy hours, so it has been okay.
I think the main issue is I found CPL staff slow at getting the items, compared to MSY (and even Centrecom). MSY and Centrecom, there are some items right behind the staff, whereas CPL is more like Scorptec (even for 1 queue system). Centrecom, some items you can even get them and then go to the counter and pay.
@netsurfer: Centrecom Nunawading is great, as one of their so called "super stores" they have a lot of "floor staff" and a very big show area where you can grab stuff off the shelves yourself. If you need advice about particular items they have time to talk to you about it. Richmond location is also okay although the store is smaller.
Bundoora Centrecom not much staff, takes a long time to get served as they seem to always be on the phone to people and they have re-designed the store post-covid to be similar to CPL where its just a small counter area for customers and all stock is handled by the staff. Got sick of long wait times and rather just go to CPL Preston, bit further for me to drive but usually in & out very fast in comparison.
been a while now (8+ years) but major issue was with west melb. Had to take them to small claims tribunal to get my money back when the boss (who still works there..Je*****) refused to refund a doa video card. Took them 2 weeks to verify and came back saying client was at fault (BS). And came back to me saying as good will they will offer a credit note. errr NO! took months calling different legal avenues and at the end a resolution I was told to take them to small claims. Total waste of time even if you are guaranteed to win your case as no cpl rep will turn up.. still took several weeks till $ appeared. … Even though I was at a loss pursuing this route (in time, effort, financial off work), it was a matter of priciple.
CPL is the kind of retailer that if you don't talk to them, everything is awesome. I don't expect them to be as nice as places like Scorptec, but why they has to be? I don't talk to them, I buy from them a lot, and I'm still happy :)
All warranty claims worked just fine for me. though talked to them once for a return/exchange (ram incompatibility), not a pleasant experience, but far away from a degree that you have to blacklist them.
Which god/s do we need to pray for for amazon price match?
Not that I'm sure I'm actually interested, still have 700gb free on my NVME drives, and not keen on playing TLC/QLC lottery as stated in @netsurfer comment
The main advantage of getting it from Amazon is probably if it is QLC, Amazon will most likely let you return it. However, I think there is a good chance we now have QLC models selling everywhere.
It is kind of like Kingston NV2, which is basically lottery. Amazon 2TB ones, users are reporting they are QLC. The 1TB ones, late last year was TLC, but slightly inferior chipset.
It's getting annoying that you generally want older stock of SSDs to counter against NAND swaps.
Would Amazon price match this?
Not sure how true this is but Crucial the greedy bums are starting to put QLC in these models.
Still kicking myself for not getting the 8TB for $699 + $150 Steam credit :(
Feel like it's going to be a while until deals like that show again.
Same same.. So much value in that deal. Ah well learn from your mistakes or try to.
It won't, contract prices on manufacturing of chips and such have plummeted like 50%. That drop will filter.
Oh man that would be the ultimate PS4 and PS5 (cold storage) drive for my PS5.
How does this compare to Samsung QVO 4TB ssd? Thanks
MX500 is significantly better, QVO is a QLC drive.
Thanks, Samsung advises QVO 870 4tb to have 2800 TBW however (almost 3 times as crucial). Decisions decisions…
Samsung advises QVO 870 4tb to have 2800 TBW however (almost 3 times as crucial).
Why does this matter to you? Either is a ludicrous amount of writes unless you're literally putting a database on it.
Even if you're writing 1TB per day every day, the Samsung drive will last ~8 years, and the Crucial will last ~3.5 years.
FWIW, Samsung most likely does not have any "secret sauce" that makes their NAND flash that much more durable than Micron's. It's 100% either a difference in testing methodology, or Samsung is over-cooking the numbers knowing that nobody will actually write that much.
(FYI, my boot drive which I bought in 2019 has around 25TB of writes, no chance I'll reach even anywhere near 100TB before the drive is retired).
@p1 ama: Great insight, I never thought it that way. I just simply took the TBW number as a general indicator on the reliability and durability of the drive. Lol
@npnp: It's a common misconception and a good marketing trick. In reality, TBW is more about:
Despite having a high TBW, 870 QVO only has 3 years warranty (MX500 has 5 years).
Samsung advises QVO 870 4tb to have 2800 TBW however (almost 3 times as crucial).
Incorrect, you are quoting the value of QVO 870 8TB, 4TB version has 1440 TB TBW.
FYI, for all of the my SSDs which died so far, ZERO of them reached 5% of the TBW (majority of them are less than 1%). So, to me, this TBW is a load of…..
Marketing working at its' finest.
Don't fall for it.
Too many giggs in one basket
buy two!
I copied this from Chandler's comment on a previous deal
There is NAND lottery on BX500 4TB. You could get QLC version. Also, there is a reduction of DRAM (though it has happened to 1TB models and above).
| 250 GB | 500 GB | 1 TB | 2 TB | 4 TB | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Price | [R$] | 173.99 | 339.99 | 699.99 | 1399.99 | 2999.99 |
| [AUD] (equiv.) | 48.44 | 94.66 | 194.89 | 389.78 | 835.24 | |
| Capacity | [GB / TB] | 250GB | 500GB | 1TB | 2TB | 4TB |
| Form Factor | SATA 2.5" | SATA 2.5" | SATA 2.5" | SATA 2.5" | SATA 2.5" | |
| Interface | AHCI | AHCI | AHCI | AHCI | AHCI | |
| Controller | Var 1: | Silicon Motion SM2258 | Silicon Motion SM2258 | Silicon Motion SM2258 | Silicon Motion SM2258 | Silicon Motion SM2258 |
| Var 2: | Silicon Motion SM2259 | Silicon Motion SM2259 | Silicon Motion SM2259 | Silicon Motion SM2259 | Silicon Motion SM2259 | |
| DRAM/HMB | Var 1: | 256MB DDR3/DDR3L | 512MB DDR3/DDR3L | 1GB DDR3/DDR3L | 2GB DDR3/DDR3L | 512MB DDR3/DDR3L |
| Var 2: | 512MB DDR3/DDR3L | 512MB DDR3/DDR3L | ||||
| NAND | Var 1: | Micron TLC 64-layer B16A 256Gb | Micron TLC 64-layer B16A 256Gb | Micron TLC 64-layer B16A 256Gb | Micron TLC 64-layer B17A 512Gb | Micron TLC 64-layer B17A 512Gb |
| Var 2: | Micron TLC 64-layer B17A 512Gb | Micron TLC 64-layer B17A 512Gb | Micron TLC 64-layer B17A 512Gb | Micron TLC 96-layer B27B 512Gb | Micron TLC 96-layer B27B 512Gb | |
| Var 3: | Micron TLC 96-layer B27A 512Gb | Micron TLC 96-layer B27A 512Gb | Micron TLC 96-layer B27A 512Gb | Micron TLC 128-layer B37R 512Gb | Micron TLC 128-layer B37R 512Gb | |
| Var 4: | Micron TLC 96-layer B27B 512Gb | Micron TLC 96-layer B27B 512Gb | Micron TLC 96-layer B27B 512Gb | Micron TLC 176-layer B47R 512Gb | Micron TLC 176-layer B47R 512Gb | |
| Var 5: | Micron TLC 128-layer B37R 512Gb | Micron TLC 128-layer B37R 512Gb | Micron TLC 128-layer B37R 512Gb | Micron QLC 64-layer N18A 1Tb | Micron QLC 64-layer N18A 1Tb | |
| Var 6: | Micron TLC 176-layer B47R 512Gb | Micron TLC 176-layer B47R 512Gb | Micron TLC 176-layer B47R 512Gb | Micron QLC 96-layer N28A 1Tb | Micron QLC 96-layer N28A 1Tb | |
| Sequential Read (up to) | [MBps] | 560 | 560 | 560 | 560 | 560 |
| Sequential Write (up to) | [MBps] | 510 | 510 | 510 | 510 | 520 |
| Random Read (up to) | [IOPs] | 95000 | 95000 | 95000 | 95000 | 95000 |
| Random Write (up to) | [IOPs] | 90000 | 90000 | 90000 | 90000 | 90000 |
| Cryptography | 256bit AES, TCG Opal 2.0 | 256bit AES, TCG Opal 2.0 | 256bit AES, TCG Opal 2.0 | 256bit AES, TCG Opal 2.0 | 256bit AES, TCG Opal 2.0 | |
| Durability (TBW) | [TB] | 100 | 180 | 360 | 700 | 1000 |
| MTBF | [million hours] | 1.8 | 1.8 | 1.8 | 1.8 | 1.8 |
| Part Number | CT250MX500SSD1 | CT500MX500SSD1 | CT1000MX500SSD1 | CT2000MX500SSD1 | CT4000MX500SSD1 | |
| Warranty | [years] | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 |
Crucial can quote the same performance figures because nowadays, the performance specs are pretty much SLC cache performance when the drive is empty.
Linking my reply on that post.
Do we have another source to check that QLC MX500 claim?
The MX500 4TB having 512MB DRAM was shown in old review teardown photos.
Not really. The best way is to have OZBers who recently purchased one run an utility for Silicon Motion controller to list the NAND type in the SSD.
The site which published source table did not offer any justification or example.
Bought my 4TB MX500 from AusPCMarket a few months ago and opened it up. Came with NY135 NAND chips which are TLC according to this decoder
Didn't pull the thermal pads off the board, but looks to line up with this review
It's interesting the table mentions the MX500 part numbers.
Here is the post about MX500 speed drops to ~200MB/s after 110GB written, it may very possibly be a QLC drive:
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/z5gbr7/crucial_mx…
This or a samsung 870 evo 4tb?
870 EVO 4TB (if you are willing to fork out the extra).
Best price yet for this drive.