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Agree. Is there any point getting in faster PC if all you do is office apps, web browsing and netflixing??
lol no, i have a 4th gen and it still kicks ass
lol no, i have a 4th gen and it still kicks ass
Same, my i7-4790 32GB, Samsung SSD still very fast.
@s1Lence: 3rd gen (i7-3630QM) here. Runs Win 10, Office, web browsing etc with no dramas, even do some mid-to-heavy gaming (DotA, Fortnight, Supreme Commander) when I can with no issues, do have a dedicated GPU but (GTX 670MX).
@DemocracyManifest: "4th gen will start to struggle now with video"
"would struggle to even load a game up now"
these are two completely different arguments
4th gen can handle videos fine, idk what you're smoking… did you mean video games? lol
If it's a 4th gen ULV chip for laptop it might struggle. These will use quite a lot of power, but still perform well.
@pennypincher98: I was running an i5 3470 until recently, barely notice any performance difference compared to 5600X.
Actually regret upgrading as I don’t think it was worth the money, 10 year old cpu still relevant today
@Brick50: Yeah the main differences you'll probably see are more power efficient, more cores and threads, better multicore performance and RAM synergies (faster and more supported).
That being said, you'll really only see those if you're more fully utilising the CPU
@Brick50: Same here, but went to a 5900, and from SATA SSD to PCIe gen4 SSD. No noticeable difference day-to-day.
@RedHab: Depends on what you are doing with it and how much RAM you have, When I upgraded to a 5900X I also had to upgrade my RAM to 32Gb because it was running out and forcing windows to use the swap file which really kills performance. I found some things perform slower than my old 3700X because they aren't optimised/written for multicore systems so scale worse with the more cores you have.
4th gen is fine for video for now. Once we see more h265 and AV1 adoption it will be a different story,
My i3-3217 Vivobook is still going.
Upgraded to 12gb RAM and 1TB SSD
But struggling with Chrome
@0806449: yeah, chrome struggles with anything less than 16GB RAM these days /s (maybe a little serious…)
@Chandler: Here's a tip: don't use Chrome :)
I used to use Chrome but Firefox shits all over it tbh.
@pennypincher98: Likewise. FF + Multi-account Containers = *chef's kiss*
I also use: Facebook Container, Temporary containers, Cookie Autodelete, uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger. I did use for a time NoScript and HTTPS Everywhere, but it became too much hassle for me.
Depends. An i5 with only 8gb isn't going to cope with the full office suite open with multiple spreadsheets, god help you if you have project files etc.
Well, it'll cope. Just slow to a crawl eventually.
But for 90% of people it'll be fine.
Depends what i5. i5-4570S + 12GB RAM + SSD could handle multiple instances of virtualisation while on Teams/Zoom call with Excel sheets open and a few browsing tabs without missing a beat.
I mean I haven't tried 4K video editing and Photoshop on there but it surprised how much go a 10 year old processor still had.
Windows 11 might have a say about that unless you're happy to stay on 10? I would definitely go with the SSD option. Nobody should be running an OS on spinning rust these days. That's just cruel!
You can even put in a low-profile graphics card and have a decent gaming machine. Though the card will cost a bit more than the PC.
It will probably kill the power supply.
Mine did.
I got a gt1030 fanless. Good enough or the odd game, and low enough power.
@bargaino: I have a low profile GTX1650.
Worked fine for 2-3 months then the power supply died.
Lucky to find someone still selling new power supplies for these.
Higher wattage than the original was a bonus.
@ALBastru: I got this about 2 years ago for just under $100
Dell Optiplex 04FCWX XE2 T1700 D315ES-00 H315ES-00 VX372 315w SFF Power Supply
I used a 1050ti with a fan and it's been going more than 2yr+
@bdl: I'm looking to do something similar, but have been out of the scene for a while. What kind of games do you run?
@formulated: I have a somewhat-similar system. It can run a lot, most AAA games from before 2017-18, can probably get RDR2 running on medium settings with a 1050Ti. Fallout 4, Subnautica, KC;D, all of those will run perfectly on high settings.
@CrispyChrispy: Impressive.
That's about the era I'm happy with, got those titles on PS4. Being able to grab free GoG, Amazon, Epic games, play low spec indie PC only titles and Command & Conquer remastered is about all I need. Won't be downloading huge demanding AAA titles due to limited internet anyway. Probably look to get the card used on eBay unless a deal pops up in the next 12 months.
Thanks for the feedback.
JV. Such an optimistic soul! LOL!
Yeah go hard and slap an RTX A2000 in!
Keep in mind you'll only get about 2 year's use out of this - as this CPU isn't compatible with Windows 11 and Win10 support ends in 2025.
So what happens when windows 10 support ends? You still can use it anyway
Sure, but you shouldn’t if you don’t want unpatched vulnerabilities.
Just install Linux when Windows support goes (or now).
Seriously, I can't believe how many replies there are to the parent comment that are just like, 'yeah just keep using it after Microsoft stop patching vulnerabilities, no worries' - so dumb.
Windows 10 support will end when Microsoft officially provides an win-11 upgrade to machines like this. There in really no reason it can't run win 11.
Microsoft needed to boost hardware sales for OEMs. Windows 11 has done that.
Mine you the earliest Optiplex 3020 was equiped with Windows 7 and now it's running Windows 10 happily.
I am sure you still can use after support ended?
Manjaro Linux is your friend
Use arch plain with archinstall lmao or fedora, not that
Every CPU is compatible with Windows 11 - Microsoft backflipped quite sometime ago and posted how to bypass the TPM 2.0 requirement https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-…
This was worth reading just for the tip, thanks !
This should be it’s own deal
I did this on a Dell Optiplex but it doesn't seem to get major updates automatically. I think you need to reinstall Windows with a new ISO. Also, you get a watermark on the desktop forever saying it is unsupported.
This is what I'm worried about. So have you had any updates, yet and how did you do it?
My desktop PC still receiving regular updates and no watermark.
That actually sounds more like a case of you don't have a valid licence/product key which has always turned on a watermark and stopped updates - going back to Windows 7 days. Perhaps even prior.
Dell Optiplex but it doesn't seem to get major updates automatically. I think you need to reinstall Windows with a new ISO. Also, you get a watermark on the desktop forever saying it is unsupported.
This means you aren't using a valid product key for Windows.
Will Bill Gates get angry at me for still using Windows 7?
Looks like a pro here able to deal with tons of attacks etc
There are a couple of ways to bypass windows 11 requirements … I haven't tested yet
There's an easy compatibility workaround. I've got a similar Dell SFF running Windows 11 fine. I still prefer Windows 10 though
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What's with the overinflated price?
Only thing I can think of is that it might be easier for the seller to keep a listing active by simply inflating the price, rather than marking it as sold out, if they're expecting to get more stock in.
Will this fit a full size PCIe card? I bought a 4090 for some casual gaming between zoom sessions on my WFH schedule.
no it wont, you need low profile
just take the side panel off, easy
Case is way too short and PSU way too weak - still won't work
Great value for a lightweight linux install like an Openwrt router or something. The 4590 still works great for most everyday tasks, I've got a few from other optiplex's that I've eventually case swapped etc
How many lightweight routers consume 255w?
That's just the PSU rating.
These SFF pcs usually consume about 20-40watts when doing light workloads.
There are better options than these for a router in 24/7 use. Idle power consumption would be higher being an older CPU. You would also need at least 2 NICs to function as a router. You'd be better off with a passively cooled 4 port NIC unit from Toptron or similar on Aliexpress for under $200 with Opensense/PFsense installed.
I have this same machine (work was clearing them out 2-3 years ago and literally giving them away).
After boosting the RAM to 24GB with some used sticks off eBay, it's running Proxmox with half a dozen VMs. Not too shabby at all.
Optiplex are built to run 24x7 office environment unlike home Vostros. Dell really did their best with over size cooling and packaging. It's well built and very reliable unit. I love them Optiplex.
What's the motherboard ? Thinking of taking it apart and moving the components to a nas case which will work out to be cheaper than buying a NAS system like Synology?
they're propriety dell mobo's, super annoying to deal with. if you were looking to case swap and build around the CPU, best option would be to find a cheap used mobo on ebay like an MSI h97m-e35. There's a good seller called supercheapcomputer that have a few LGA1150 mobos - I bought one from them for an optiplex i5-4590 and it was in great condition despite its age
Also small form factor pcs barely have enough room for more than 1 hdd or any sort of raid setup if that's something you're looking for
They should have a pcie for pcie to SATA extension card. That should fit at least 4 sata
Mostly referring to actual physical space. As far as I know these can only fit 1 physical hdd compared to the full sized/non-SFF version
I have same model PC as a NAS, is should have an NVME slot, which opens up sata space for spinning drives
Iv bought a few machines from this seller and couldnt be happier
Ordered one tuesday night and it arrived this morning!
I always go minimum 6th gen, few $$ more and supports a few more modern features.
Only thing im not a fan of is default win11 install (not really supported, unnecessary) but im normally wiping them for a linux/bsd variant (they make great opnsense boxes with 2/4 port intel nic added)
why 6th gen? still wont support windows 11 officially
Need 8th gen to support win 11 natively.
This is what I was pondering for my first OPNsense installation, those fanless firewall-specific devices look nice but they're all up around $300 mark it seems. This cpu seems to have AES-NI. But with these cases does the back panel make way easily for the intel NIC ports?
If you go with the slightly older Celeron N5105 (more than adequate) 4 port versions still with 2.5 gbe intel NICs, they can be had for $200 on Alixpress. Serve the home has a ton of online reviews and YouTube vids of these Chinese router boxes https://www.servethehome.com/intel-celeron-j6413-powered-6x-…
Thanks! Does having one of those with more than two ports (4 or 6) mean that I can skip getting a managed switch as part of the setup, but still create VLANS? I don't have many wired devices to use, probably only need a couple of old wifi routers running as APs
@Horacio: Yep. Look up serve the home on YouTube and their website. They have done some great reviews and use cases for these.
These Dell SFF PCs only take low profile cards so just ensure that whatever additional NIC you get is low profile/half height. Though if you have a layer 2 managed switch, you don't really need more than one ethernet port as you can use VLANs to create separate network.
This machine is a little overkill for OPNsense though. I virtualise it with 2GB of RAM and 2 cores on an E5-2680 v2 and have no issues pushing 1 Gbit.
Thanks! Router on a stick? The box doesn't need one additional port for the modem/WAN?
@Horacio: VLANing takes care of separating the networks even though it's all on one port. Basically you configure the port OPNsense is on as a trunk and it'll receive packets tagged with the VLAN ID. One feature of OPNsense (and basically any software router worth a damn) is that you can create a special interface just for handling traffic tagged with a specific VLAN ID.
As an example, say you designate your LAN network as VLAN ID 10 and your WAN as VLAN ID 20, then on the switch you'll tag your ports accordingly (tagging a port essentially means "treat all traffic coming in as VLAN <x>"), configure the port OPNsense is on to receive tagged packets (meaning the switch will send packets to OPNsense with the VLAN ID in the header) and setup the VLAN interfaces on OPNsense. You've now got 2 networks on one physical cable.
You absolutely need a managed switch to do this though.
Any suggestions you would go for?
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About as much computer as 80% of people need these days once you get an SSD.
Maybe upgrade the ram too at some point.