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[Refurb, eBay Plus] HP Z4 G4 Workstation i7-7820X 8C 3.6GHz 32GB Quadro K420 512GB SSD Win 10 $417.57 Delivered @ MetroCom eBay

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Hi all, workstation week! If you don't mind their chunky body (Z4 G4 is actually ok, 38.6x 16.9x 44.5cm), they can be a good office pc as well. With lots of cores and 32GB ram, you can open many spreadsheets and chrome tabs without lagging.

HP Z4 G4 Workstation i7-7820X 8C 3.6GHZ 32GB Quadro K420 512GB SSD WIN 10
Specs
processor
Intel(R) Core X CPU i7-7820x (8 cores 3.60GHz, up to 4.30GHz boost, 8 cores)
Operating system
Windows 10 Pro, 64-bit, English
GPU
NVIDIA Quadro K420 1 x DVI 1 x DP
RAM
32GB, DDR4
Storage
512GB SSD

Some other options
HP Z640 Workstation Xeon E5-2620 v4 8 Cores 32GB 256GB SSD Quadro K420 Win 10 $278.07 Delivered
Lenovo ThinkStation P320 Workstation Xeon E3-1245v6 32GB 2x 256GB SSD Win10 Pro $371.07 Delivered
HP Z4 G4 Workstation XEON W-2145 8C 3.7GHZ 32GB Quadro K420 512GB SSD WIN 10 $464.07 Delivered
HP ELITEDESK 800 G4 Workstation i7 8700 32GB RAM 512GB SSD GTX 1080 Gaming PC Win 11 $743.07 Delivered
HP ELITEDESK 800 G4 Workstation i7 8700 32GB RAM 512GB SSD RTX 2080 Gaming PC Win 11 $929.07 Delivered
HP Z4 G4 Workstation i7-9800X 8C 3.8GHZ 32GB Quadro P4000 512GB SSD WIN 11 $836.07 Delivered

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  • sjbartley on 16/04/2023 - 10:20
    +20

    I previously bought the P320 in this listing (shipped quickly, well packed, thank you). I think it's really great for the money: a Windows licence in BIOS, CPU has on-board graphics, it's really quiet, uses 38W at idle with 2x10GB HDD, 2xM.2, 1xSSD + wireless card. Sad there's no bifurcation on the PCIe slots, though. Running ProxMox, TrueNas, Jellyfin, a couple of Windows VMs, an Ubuntu VM.

    A question: does the Z4 G4 with Xeon CPU have ECC RAM?

    • stumo on 16/04/2023 - 10:29
      +2

      Are you sure it doesnt have bifurcation? My P510 has it but you have to enable it per slot buried in the BIOS. Id be surprised if your later workstation doesnt also have it

    • wetwork on 16/04/2023 - 10:29

      Good review thanks.

    • dcep on 16/04/2023 - 10:57

      a Windows licence in BIOS

      how to check that ? in bios ?

      does it mean we can reinstall OS without reactivation / key ?

      • Nom on 16/04/2023 - 11:05
        +2

        Yes, any business PC since the Windows 8 days activates like this.

        You don't need to check anything - just install Windows and it will pick up the product key from the BIOS.

      • xmagic on 16/04/2023 - 11:10
        +6

        Microsoft start to directly write Windows keys (or even pre-installed Office keys) into BIOS from OA/SLP3.0 which started since Windows 8. On those machines you won't see the traditional COA sticker with keys on it, but rather a shiny Windows sticker which indicates which version instead.

        That's also why when you're reinstall Windows on some OEM hardwares the installation won't ask which version you can install, because it already detected your key from BIOS and selected the licensed version.

        You can use wmic command to read the key - it's still the same old format: https://consumer.huawei.com/in/support/content/en-gb00692300…

        • Sean8802 on 16/04/2023 - 13:59
          +1

          Unless it is a Dell device from 2015-2019 they still come with they still come with the physical sticker that technician should give if every the motherboard needs to be replaced. Source I am ex Dell technician.

          • Nom on 16/04/2023 - 15:56
            +1

            @Sean8802: Is that because the replacement boards don't have the embedded licence ?

            Or because you can't reactivate the existing install if you change the embedded licence ?

    • sjbartley on 16/04/2023 - 12:02
      +5

      I forgot to mention that the P320 comes with ECC memory (original Lenovo parts). This is theoretically important when running file systems like ZFS, and was important to me. I just wish I could run quad-M.2 drives on one PCIe card (although I'll check in bios again, given the response to my original comment).

      • benny85 on 16/04/2023 - 12:32
        +1

        I’d be interested in what you find out, as I’d be looking at buying one with a similar purpose.

        • sjbartley on 16/04/2023 - 15:15
          +3

          I've checked through Lenovo forum posts and can see a thread regarding enabling this feature on the P330. And while the chipset supports it, because they basically consider the x16 slot for a graphics card, it doesn't look like it's something they will do. In BIOS setup, I can see where the feature should be, but all I see is 'Auto' or other speed options.

          On a positive note: I just checked and my P320 actually idles (through a UPS) at 29-30W. It must have been charging the UPS or doing something when I last checked.

    • Trance N Dance on 16/04/2023 - 13:54

      The i7 based ones won't have ECC RAM as it's not supported on the extreme Core line of products. The Xeon based one should support it but not sure if it is ECC.

    • zaqwsx3 on 16/04/2023 - 21:39

      10GB HDD ?

      • sjbartley on 17/04/2023 - 10:33

        Sorry! 10TB (actually a 10TB and a 12TB as ZFS RAID 1)

  • ialam99 on 16/04/2023 - 10:21
    -2

    Any good refurb laptop deals?

  • airtime on 16/04/2023 - 10:40

    Any of these have TPM support on the motherboard?

    • Nom on 16/04/2023 - 10:43
      +2

      Do HP or Dell make any business machines without TPM ? I've never seen one 🤷🏼‍♂️ These almost certainly all have TPM, but wait for someone else to confirm definitively 👌

      • airtime on 16/04/2023 - 10:46
        +1

        This is a 5 year old product, the others similar age. While it is likely, it is worthwhile confirming.

    • airtime on 16/04/2023 - 10:50
      +3

      To be more specific - any have TPM 2.0 on the motherboard.

      • jpeg-jpg on 16/04/2023 - 11:08
        +2

        Win11 is officially supported on this CPU based on the [Microsoft official list] (https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/mi…), so it should have TPM.

        • Nom on 16/04/2023 - 11:16
          +4

          There are official Microsoft-sanctioned registry keys to disable both the CPU check and the TPM check to run Windows 11, so it's a none issue anyway 👌

          https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-…

          • airtime on 16/04/2023 - 11:24
            +2

            @Nom: Yes, but specifically require TPM 2.0 support for security purposes. I'm not looking at this from a Windows 11 lens.

            • Nom on 16/04/2023 - 11:26
              +3

              @airtime: Understood - unless anyone else here has one, you'll probably need to get the seller to jump into the BIOS and send you a picture of the security section to confirm - I think TPM 2.0 was only really guaranteed on Gen 8 upwards… so it's not a certainty on this particular machine.

      • airtime on 16/04/2023 - 11:46

        Based on https://psref.lenovo.com/Product/ThinkStation/ThinkStation_P… , the Lenovo P320 Tower has discrete TPM 2.0 included. Still trying to hunt down specs of the other boxes. Not easy to find older HP specs.

      • Sean8802 on 16/04/2023 - 14:00

        Yes, this device supports TPM 2.0

        • airtime on 16/04/2023 - 14:17

          Thanks Sean8802. Which systems support TPM 2.0? We have docs showing the P320 does. The Z640 docs show it has TPM but doesn't specify what version. What about the others?

      • airtime on 16/04/2023 - 14:32

        Based on this doc - https://support.hp.com/au-en/document/c05846113#AbT2 , the HP Z4 G4 with Xeon W-2145 should have TPM 2.0 .

  • bdl on 16/04/2023 - 10:44

    Chonki boi

    • goldiep on 16/04/2023 - 10:50
      +10

      You rang? 😁

  • kypermaster on 16/04/2023 - 10:54

    Hey guys, if I’m on a budget with an gaming pc, what’s the best pc deal here to just slap an gpu on it and call it a day?

    • Danstar on 16/04/2023 - 10:56
      +2

      The 2080 system; but you could get a brand new system with a 3060TI for similar price

      • kypermaster on 16/04/2023 - 10:58

        Do you think the hp z640 would be good with an rx 6600 and make it an budget $500 gaming pc?

        • Danstar on 16/04/2023 - 11:00

          With this CPU? Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2620 v4 @ 2.10GHz

          If so; I would say no.

          • kypermaster on 16/04/2023 - 11:02

            @Danstar: So you think it’s better to just build a pc straight out cuz I won’t get a good deal out of combining an pc from the listing with an gpu?

            • Nom on 16/04/2023 - 11:07
              +2

              @kypermaster: There's a gaming PC with an RTX 2080 listed right there in this deal, that'll be just fine for budget gaming 👍

            • Kangal on 16/04/2023 - 13:29
              -1

              @kypermaster: I'd be looking at a system with an r7-5800x3D and RX 6800, it seems like the best value option out there. You can always get a weaker system, and upgrade those parts individually (as long as they're a good deal).

              If you want something newer and longevity, I'd go with an AM5 system. Specifically stepping upto r7-7800x3D, 32GB DDR5 (6000 CL30), 1TB Samsung Pro nVme Gen4 and over 4TB storage SSD. Combine that with a AUD $1,000 priced RTX 4080 or an RTX 4080Ti for AUD $1,300… but neither of those prices/gpus look to be happening within the generation.

              To get even more bang-for-buck, you'll have to go with the Xbox Series X. On-paper it's decent but in real-world the games are optimised very well and you won't be able to match it via PC Specs at the same value/price.

        • OSienna on 16/04/2023 - 11:23

          According to the docs, it has a big-arse 925W PSU and one PCI slot that can accommodate a full height, full length PCI card - so it should technically take the RX6600 (120W card) easily..

          That said, my concern would be whether it comes with an 8-pin power cable for the GPU as the docs also say:

          Graphics cards greater than 75 watts require the use of an auxiliary power cable adapter.

          Those adapters can be difficult to find sometimes or are more expensive than they're worth.

          Other than that, if you can put it all together for $500 then you've got an okay budget gaming PC. This deal would have been a good comparison if you wanted to see what value you are getting

          • airtime on 16/04/2023 - 13:45

            @OSienna: Those docs and specs are for HP Z440 and Z640 systems. The only applicable system in this listing is the Z640 - keep that in mind when using those specs.

        • Godgodgod on 16/04/2023 - 13:55

          Go with the z640 xeon 1650 v3s. I have 2 of them now one with Quadro for server work and another with 6600 xt for gaming. Perfect for my use however on CS GO to only get about 180ish fps

      • BargainTeebone on 16/04/2023 - 11:21

        Got any links for that? I was looking for something recently with 3060Ti and they were all closer to 1k

  • bennybennybenny on 16/04/2023 - 11:04

    Thinking of grabbing this to replace my current tower -

    Intel Core i5-4590
    32gb DDR3-1600
    Integrated Graphics

    I'm guessing this would be a decent upgrade from my current tower?

    • xmagic on 16/04/2023 - 11:17
      +5

      CPU performance wise all listed should be called an upgrade. Architectural wise only the last three (8700 and 9800X) are significant upgrades.

      Better off a brand new platform to really experience the generational leap in performance.

    • coxymla on 16/04/2023 - 11:18
      +1

      Yes but it depends what you want it for.
      This is probably the best PC you can get for $400, but if you want to play games it's not a great buy.

      • bennybennybenny on 16/04/2023 - 11:21

        Not a gamer at all, using the current tower for photo editing and Adobe Creative Suite

    • Hank Scorpion on 16/04/2023 - 12:59
      +1

      6000 series to 10000 are all the same architecture, the core max counts with 8000 series went to 6 cores. This should be a good upgrade for the price, it's a skylake based HEDT chip.

      It's not terrible for games but there are better options but for more money. The CPU wouldn't be too far off a 9900k.

  • Junk Sifter on 16/04/2023 - 11:17

    Assuming these were factory configured with the i7-7820X, does it make these "High-End (Core i7 series)" according to HP specs meaning they have a 1kW PSU?: https://support.hp.com/au-en/document/c05846113#AbT12

    Can you confirm rep? What's the memory configuration, 2x16GB or 4x8GB?

  • StopSpending on 16/04/2023 - 11:20

    If I want to use this as a business PC, and run 4 or more screens, what is the best way to go about it?

    • Nom on 16/04/2023 - 11:24
      +2

      The last machine in the list, with the Quadro P4000, should have 4 display outputs, but confirm with the seller before you buy - I've never seen a P4000 without 4 outputs, but they could exist…

  • leetec on 16/04/2023 - 11:23

    Only problem I have with these PC is really bad cpu cooling. Not sure the Xeon model as I didn't try it.

    • OSienna on 16/04/2023 - 11:38
      +1

      That's what I said about this PC but there are people who disagree because they downloaded some "fixes" which made their PC quiet. Little do they know, it could have been just a fan-curve adjustment that took away the noise but left the performance hobbled due to thermal throttling.. but at least it's quieter ¯_(ツ)_/¯

      • rosebank on 16/04/2023 - 11:50
        +1

        Hey, that's me!

        it could have been just a fan-curve adjustment that took away the noise but left the performance hobbled due to thermal throttling

        Can you explain this because I legit don't know what it means. I haven't noticed any performance issues. Currently replying to you on a 4k screen, watching GSW v SAC on a second screen, and work shit on third.

        • Planky on 16/04/2023 - 12:04
          +3

          Instead of running the fans at predefined RPMs at given temps/workload, they reduce the fan speed across the range (e.g. instead of running at 2000rpm at 100% load, run at 1500rpm). End result is its quieter, but the cpu runs at higher temps. Thermal throttling is when the cpu is slowed down to counteract high temps, which may become more prevalent when the fans aren't running fast enough to remove the excess heat.

          • rosebank on 16/04/2023 - 12:07
            +1

            @Planky: CPU temp is currently hovering around 40. Is that a good temp? Because I've never bothered to monitor anything

            The fans do ramp up occasionally, but rarely.

            • Planky on 16/04/2023 - 12:10
              +1

              @rosebank: 40 degrees is absolutely fine. I'd only start worrying when you are constantly approaching the thermal limits e.g. 90-100c.

        • OzzyBrak on 16/04/2023 - 12:10
          +1

          None of that sounds very intensive. If you don’t notice any slow down just continue on.

          • rosebank on 16/04/2023 - 12:15
            +2

            @OzzyBrak: I've been using it for over a week, with some intensive work stuff, and everything is fine. I think this supoosed cpu cooling "problem" is a non-issue for my use case.

        • OSienna on 17/04/2023 - 17:56
          +1

          Yeah, if the CPU is thermal throttling, you won't notice that performance is being left on the table unless you're benchmarking it and finding out exactly how much is being wasted.

          Here's a typical example of the type of cooling Dell puts in their PCs and their attitudes towards nerfing the performance in order to gain a few more bucks in profit. The additional cost of a decent cooler is a mere fraction of what the CPU itself costs so why cheap out in that area?

          • rosebank on 17/04/2023 - 21:08

            @OSienna: Do you think it's worth getting s better cooler? If so, what would you recommend?

            • OSienna on 18/04/2023 - 17:17

              @rosebank: I think it's worth it if you've got a decent CPU and you want to give it a bit of a boost and extend its life (I'm a huge fan of optimising older hardware to get more out of it). I always make a habit of reapplying the thermal paste on something older than 3 years, even if I'm not replacing the cooler.

              Unfortunately, inflation has made the choice of cooler much harder than it used to be. Up until a year ago, it was possible to pick up something decent for around $40 that's really good value e.g. Hyper 212. Prices seem to have doubled for the same type of offering. The Thermalright Peerless Assassin seems to be the value champion at the moment and has been around $55 when on sale.

              The other tip to consider, depending on how risk adverse you are, is to disable the Spectre and Meltdown security patches. Depending on your CPU, cited performance improvement figures range from negligible to around 20 per cent typically, with some outliers that go significantly higher.

      • leetec on 16/04/2023 - 11:56

        Sound like they lower the max rpm, which is ridiculous loud. But ridiculous to do that as well. You can easily upgrade the cooler with screw type mounting, like most of the coolermaster, but make sure correctly measure the height.

      • Nom on 16/04/2023 - 16:15

        We disagreed because the cooling on most Dell bushes machines is perfectly adequate, and reasonably quiet. They don't thermal throttle out of the box, and they don't ramp up the fan speeds until the CPU is under load.
        They're mostly fine 👍

  • PR0r on 16/04/2023 - 12:04

    Is it possible to put the motherboard from this into my existing case?

    • DangerNoodle on 16/04/2023 - 13:26

      Need more info. What case are you using?

      • PR0r on 16/04/2023 - 13:33

        My case fits all sizes of motherboard but I've read about dell or HP etc having custom boards for their cases

        • DangerNoodle on 16/04/2023 - 14:58

          Still doesn't answer the question though. Need to know what brand/model your case is to know the measurements it supports for motherboards so we can compare it against the measurements for the motherboard in this setup. Otherwise we can't answer your question. Need an answer of more than just 'my case'

          • PR0r on 16/04/2023 - 15:03

            @DangerNoodle: Rosewill L4500

            Motherboard Compatibility
            Maximum holding: 12" x 13" E-ATX; (12" x 9.6" ATX, 11.2" x 8.2" Mini-ATX and below)

            https://www.rosewill.com/rosewill-rsv-l4500u-black/p/9SIA072…

            • DangerNoodle on 16/04/2023 - 15:05

              @PR0r: this is a link to a photo of the inside of the HP Z4 G4, you can see the stand off positions

            • Nom on 16/04/2023 - 15:59

              @PR0r: I have the same case for my NAS, it's absolutely awesome 👌

              You could still buy the machine in this deal, and then move the CPU/Ram/Drives etc onto a cheap eBay motherboard…

              • PR0r on 16/04/2023 - 16:31

                @Nom: What cpu / motherboard do you have in yours? I'm looking at upgrading as my current build is too power hungry

                • Nom on 17/04/2023 - 10:20

                  @PR0r: I'm running a Xeon 1225 v2 (Socket 1155, 3.2GHz) on a ASRock Z77 Pro4-M board, with 32GB of DDR3.

                  It's got onboard graphics, and in two of the PCIe slots I've got a Mellanox ConnectX-2 for 10Gb networking and an Adaptec 71605E card to drive 16 x SATA drives.

                  All works great, I have solar & battery so power consumption isn't a concern - but I'm not sure I could get it down by much anyway, that particular Xeon only has a 77W TDP but this machine doesn't really do anything CPU-intensive so it's not going anywhere near that most of the time.

  • jimmy roles on 16/04/2023 - 12:06

    Do any of these have a USB c port?

    • Nom on 16/04/2023 - 12:16

      What's your use case for USB C ? There are a few other options depending on what you need it for 👍

      • jimmy roles on 16/04/2023 - 17:52

        Sometimes I switch my setup between work laptop and home desktop. USB c makes this a bit quicker and easier.

        • Nom on 16/04/2023 - 23:36

          Just to connect keyboard and mouse ? Just buy a USB C PCIe card for $15 - but you won't be able to do video.

        • Nom on 17/04/2023 - 10:23

          I handle this with a https://www.amazon.com.au/UGREEN-Computers-Peripheral-Switch… and by connecting desktop and laptop video to two different inputs on the monitor.

          Then it's as simple as hitting the USB switch (this controls keyboard and mouse and webcam and headset) and selecting HDMI/DisplayPort on the monitor when I need to switch…

  • BROKENKEYBOARD on 16/04/2023 - 12:11

    If you don't mind their chunky body (Z4 G4 is actually ok, 38.6x 16.9x 44.5cm), they can be a good office pc as well. With lots of cores and 32GB ram, you can open many spreadsheets and chrome tabs without lagging.

    This PC should have high idle power consumption, might even be 100+W. The other cheaper PCs would be far better options.

    • superroach on 16/04/2023 - 12:52

      How does this idle at 100w?

    • airtime on 18/04/2023 - 21:01

      According to the HP specs, Z4 G4 power consumption with Windows at idle ranges between 39W and 69W (@230VAC input) depending on configuration.

  • Willyslicks on 16/04/2023 - 12:12

    no hdmi?

    • Nom on 16/04/2023 - 12:14
      +3

      Yes, you just use a Display Port to HDMI adaptor.

  • MasterScythe on 16/04/2023 - 12:15
    +1

    Great choice for a home server or overpowered NAS.

  • Schrodinger on 16/04/2023 - 12:31

    Are the motherboard expansion options listed anywhere?
    I just need alot of PCI-E slots and SATA ports to use this as a NAS.

    Is this a bad option for that? Hopefully the BIOS/chipset are good for under clocking.

    • Ratzie on 16/04/2023 - 14:27

      Does anyone know how many data ports this has ? Thinking of doing the same for a Plex server

      • Schrodinger on 16/04/2023 - 14:43

        Looking for the same. I assume this is x299 based, but need to know the expansion/IO options for the motherboard.

      • Nom on 16/04/2023 - 16:05
        +1

        See below - you can add way more drives than will fit in the case with a single card…

        • Schrodinger on 16/04/2023 - 19:40

          My previous box had 8 drives (one SATA expansion card and other pcie slots were used for NVME cards).
          Hope this can hold at least 5 3.5 inch hard drives somewhere.

    • Nom on 16/04/2023 - 16:03

      You only need a single PCIe slot to add a 4 port SAS card which can drive 16 X SATA drives with a set of 4 SAS > SATA breakout cables.

  • superroach on 16/04/2023 - 12:51

    Besides the gpu, this is an insanely good pc for a student or desktop for normal use

  • waving on 16/04/2023 - 13:02
    +1

    Would this make a good Plex server? Starting to get over all the issues I’m having with Nvidia Shield and wondering if this will have sufficient grunt for streaming/converting. I watch on phone, iPad over wifi so needs to be able to transcode to lower formats as well as stream 4K/1080 to tv and be able to cope with up to 3 streams at times. Would this unit be sufficient as an always on device, as well as for downloading Linux distros?

    • Sean8802 on 16/04/2023 - 14:02

      It would be plenty sufficient as a plex sever, you can upgrade the GPU if needed. However, this device is quite big compared to say a desktop mini (mini itx) so you'll need to take that into account.

    • WhySpendMoreForLess on 16/04/2023 - 14:04

      I’d avoid using this as a plex server just on the basis that it’s not very power efficient (coming from an owner of another Skylake X chip). Even at idle, my CPU uses upwards of 30 watts which adds up over time

      • Nom on 16/04/2023 - 16:10

        Depends entirely on your situation.

        A family home with solar, isn't going to notice that power usage.

        But a single guy in a small apartment with no solar ? Yeah it's going to add a small percentage to your bill.

    • Save Medicare on 16/04/2023 - 15:14

      My nvidia shield pro 2019 can decode 4k streams in VLC via SMB network share? Don't need to mess with any transcoding/plex stuff

      • Save Medicare on 17/04/2023 - 19:45

        My apologies, i only read like half of your post

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