Found this prebuilt case while i was finding for a decent build within 1.5k budget. There's an upgrade option for a RX6800, 750W gold PSU and 32gb ram. With the code applied, the above options reduced to 1545$ + delivery.
Beaware that 2.7-2.75 slot gpu won't fit in this case so keep that in mind before buying.
My bad, i should have post the price after the discount code, which is 899$.
is this a good price? Been wanting to get a small pc, will gaming be laggy cause of the heat?
generally 12th gen runs hot across the board and can throttle badly because of it, i considered it last year…decided nope, this run eveything at unchecked thermals trend didnt appeal to me…AMD has decided to go even madder….
the 65w TDP often shown for this CPU in specs is for the idle TDP, it will hit 180W under load without breaking a sweat, in a small not well ventilated case, well, i wouldnt like to try…luckily it doesnt look like stuffing a water cooled AIO in there is an option because that would make things worse….water cooling is largely a wankfest, i tried it once…one pump failure is all it will take, and your CPU near melting before you head back to the sanity of a decent air cooler, like youve run for 30 years (ive worked in IT for 30+ years)….for me that was a Scythe FUMA 2…not locally stocked, but worth the amazon pain, brilliant thing, they even sent me the upgraded rev B fans - much faster - (at their cost!) when they came out when i asked if they would be available for retrofit…they just volunteered to send some out…customer service gold medal.
i up until last year was still running my i7-4790 - still good enough with my RTX 3060Ti to play most every game, but i decided it was time to make a jump of several generations i could have gone 12th gen (11th gen was never a consideration even on sale as it was best left as sand on a beach). In the end i decided an i7-8700K (4th gen to 8th gen jump) was a good enough move for my needs (i7 9th gen didnt have hyperthreading, in case you wondered why 9th was skipped, 10th also didnt appeal). Even better, once delidded, my 8700K ended up being the coolest running 8700K under load the delidder had ever seen, 57c under full Prime load. Try doing that on a 12th gen (its near double)… Plenty of power for me as a mostly general duties/dev user with some video transcoding tasks and casual gaming thrown in. Price of upgrade (even factoring in worst times in history just after COVID lockdown letup $500 all up for Mobo + CPU + Delid). You'd probably do much better in todays climate.
The price quoted for this unit is just a starting price, you'll end up over $1,000 without batting an eyelid….
Ive never been a "must have latest" or aspirational technologist (or as i call it apple disease), i always build for the task/use case. almost no one NEEDS the latest of anything, companies liek Apple have just conditioned people to want the latest shiny every 6 motnhs…i blame them for most of the nonsense in tech
I used to prefer fans over water cooling, but I bought an matx case which is packed with 4 x 3.5 hdds and a 3060 ti.
https://www.ple.com.au/Products/620821/jonsbo-v4-silver-matx…
I could only fit a low profile cpu fan so used a wraith prism for my 3700x. Idle was 50-60 degrees so I begrudgingly got an aio and now it’s constantly under 40 degrees. Been going strong for a year now. Don’t write off water cooling. They have their purpose, especially for these small cases where you have little air flow and not much space for a decent bulky air cooler (low profile fan cools are compact but terrible at cooling). Plus if the aio is faulty and stops working the cpu will go into thermal shutdown instantly to prevent any damage.
Water coolers, when they work, are great.
What happens when a water cooler fails vs a fan?
@Sinnerator: It just stops working, just like a fan would. I get it, it’s liquid so I feared it spilling all over my motherboard. But unless you yank the tubes off with all your strength, then that liquid ain’t coming out. Aios are just as safe as fans.
@Sinnerator: I've had my Corsair H50 running flawlessly since 2010… just depends on how you use and strain your CPU…
8th gen was pretty decent, the stock coolers were total garbage and inadequate but other than that mines still going perfectly strong in my second pc with a new cooler.
Great comment.
You have half inspired me to delid my 8700 (non-k) because intel turned off the ability to undervolt.
I have a dual rad custom watercooling setup and dual pumps because i was worried about failure and apart from the cost and pain in the ass to replace tubing/parts its fantastic. I haven't had anything die in over 2 years and it makes no noise at all. 5800x3d/3090 over clocked and idle/load temps are 24/50 for the cpu and 16/48 for the gpu
Sounds kinda silly to not want new because of the fact that it's new. If you're obsessed with temps you could've gotten an i5 12400 or 5600, both significantly faster than an 8700K and might not even hit 50 degrees with a good cooler. Even the 10400 and 11400 could've been better since they're roughly the same performance as an 8700K but $100-200 cheaper.
once delidded, my 8700K ended up being the coolest running 8700K under load the delidder had ever seen, 57c under full Prime load. Try doing that on a 12th gen (its near double)
This is meaningless - the 12th gen chips are designed to run at those much higher temps.
Heat is only an issue if you're exceeding what the chip is rated for. 100c on modern CPUs is not the disaster that it would be on an older CPU.
I build gaming PC's on the side, and i get sooo many customers asking for a small/mini gaming PC without actually knowing about the disadvantages or benefits of it in comparison to a standard PC. When i ask them why and tell them the benefits of a standard size PC i usually have them change their mind to a standard form factor & they are happy. Before you buy yourself a small gaming pc ask yourself the question of if you really need one (over the need for a normal size PC)
you should be asking yourself the following questions:
- Do you have a need to regularly relocate with your computer? such as between homes, LAN parties, etc
- Is the location you plan on putting the PC so limited in space that a standard size PC won't fit?
If you answered yes to any of the above, then you have a need for a small gaming pc.
However! If you didn't answer yes to the above i highly recommend getting a normal size gaming PC, here's my reasoning:
- Airflow & cooling: This is not to be overlooked, airflow & cooling is a big issue with PC's the smaller they get. A normal size PC configured properly will have MUCH better cooling and airflow than a small PC. This airflow & cooling helps improve performance, reliability and lowers acoustics, all at no extra cost
- Cost: contrary to what some say, a standard size PC with like for like performing parts tend to be cheaper. There is a slight premium in cost on Mini ITX form factor motherboards, cases, and slim line cooling
- Power savings: again, this is contrary to popular belief, but if you have like for like performance on a mini gaming pc & a standard size gaming PC then the standard size gaming PC tends to be more power efficient…It's not a major difference, but it comes back to the airflow and cooling, the standard size PC's fans and cooling doesn't need to work as hard to keep the components within the right temperature range
- Performance & reliability: Refer to airflow & cooling, in addition to this you can fit larger components that further enhance airflow & cooling, such as a GPU with a larger heatsink, or a larger CPU cooling system.
- Acoustics: with like for like parts, there is better airflows & the fans don't need to work as hard, which makes it quieter
- Upgradability: this is an easy one. More space inside the case, usually a larger motherboard with more connections for storage, RAM, PCI/PCIE etc.
Of course, there are some benefits to mini gaming PC's, but it mostly just comes down to physical space that it takes up and ease of relocating. If you feel that your need for physical space and ease of relocating take priority over the above benefits i mentioned then a mini gaming PC is a good idea for you.
I built myself an ITX system a couple of years back, it could hardly be called an ITX since it was built into a H200 - it was great at the time.
By the time 3000 series came out, GPUs came out thick AF and it was a nightmare trying to get good pricing on a GPU when you're restricted to a couple of models.
It definitely limits your cooling and gpu upgrade options - too powerful a CPU required an AIO, which limits GPU length. Ended up going with a tower cooler.
I love the H200 build but dammit next time I'm definitely going for an ATX build in something like a H510 Flow or H5.
i usually have them change their mind to a standard form factor & they are happy
Sounds like it made you happy more than them. They wanted a small PC, and you pushed them into a large PC.
People generally do not like huge bulky PC towers. Why? Because they are ugly, and contain mostly empty space. It's a stretch to call them "normal size" any more.
I don't think it's the customer who needs to change their mind, it's you!
Small cases can often fit multiple 120mm fans - the same size as larger cases. Intake on front, exhaust at the top and rear, and the GPU can pull air from bottom, it's a good efficient airflow system. CPU can fit good cooler, blowing air directly at read exhaust fan. SSD drives mean no space taken up by mechanical drives, no SATA cables filling up space. And nobody uses PCI sound cards any more. There is no reason to expect significant higher temps in a small case these days. Just choose the right case.
Sounds like it made you happy more than them. They wanted a small PC, and you pushed them into a large PC.
No, not true. usually its a matter of them wanting a small PC because they assume it will have the same budget, performance, airflow, reliability etc of a standard size PC whilst being smaller. AKA no drawbacks, but with it being smaller. Once I spend some time teaching them the pro's and con's of each they are happy that i was transparent with them and that know that they know more about the pro's and con's of each they are more happy with their revised decision. This isn't a happyness for me thing….i earn the same amount for the build regardless of how well it performs or how reliable it is, so i'm happy either way, i just want my customers be happy and be returning customers when they want their next build done.
People generally do not like huge bulky PC towers. Why? Because they are ugly, and contain mostly empty space. It's a stretch to call them "normal size" any more.
I respectfully disagree that their ugly, there are many good looking full size PC cases, just like how there are good looking smaller one. and that empty space you are referring plays a role in air-flow, and depending on your setup can have space for upgradability. Although my terminology of "normal size" may be wrong, i think most people here know what i mean when i'm referring to Normal size.
Small cases can often fit multiple 120mm fans - the same size as larger cases. Intake on front, exhaust at the top and rear, and the GPU can pull air from bottom, it's a good efficient airflow system. CPU can fit good cooler, blowing air directly at read exhaust fan. SSD drives mean no space taken up by mechanical drives, no SATA cables filling up space. And nobody uses PCI sound cards any more. There is no reason to expect significant higher temps in a small case these days. Just choose the right case.
Yes, you are right, many small cases can fit multiple fans, and have good airflow…but it will never have as good an airflow as a similar priced, similar quality "normal size" PC. If you put the exact same parts in a mini itx case, and put the same parts in another similar quality standard size PC, and run your benchmarks. You will find that the standard size PC case will run cooler….it might be a little bit, it might be a lot, but it will still run cooler.
I'm not saying small cases are terrible, i'm just saying people should be aware of the pro's and con's of each before going for it
If you put the exact same parts in a mini itx case, and put the same parts in another similar quality standard size PC, and run your benchmarks. You will find that the standard size PC case will run cooler
Not sure I agree with that, if you have the same coolers, fans and airflow wouldn't that mean there's less of a chance of using recycled air in a smaller case? Smaller cases usually get worse temps because you can't fit as many fans or use large coolers but in a like for like comparison this wouldn't be the case.
if you have the same coolers, fans and airflow wouldn't that mean there's less of a chance of using recycled air in a smaller case?
You do have a point when it comes to recycled air, however you experience that in both larger and smaller cases. The other issue you encounter in smaller cases is the restriction of air, usually comes about due to the components, cables etc being crammed into a smaller area. And that restrictive airflow issue usually ends up impacting the temps more than anything in a small case.
Remember, i'm not comparing a poorly built standard size PC vs'ing a properly built mini itx, i'm comparing a properly built standard size PC vs a properly build mini itx.
i.e. a 120mm fan running at 1200 rpm in a smaller case will push through less air than if it were in a larger case.
Ofcourse, a poorly optimised airflow case (Regardless of it's size), will suffer from recycled air issues. But in general, like for like parts, with a like for like experienced builder, building both PC's with good airflow in mind will get better results from a larger case…However thee difference in those results will be varied depending on the components, case, etc.
Especially with components of the last 2 generations i would really prioritise cooling and airflow much higher than anytime before.
They wanted a small PC, and you pushed them into a large PC.
Because the large PC doesn't come with as many tradeoffs as the smaller one - this was clearly communicated in the post you're replying to 🤷♂️
People generally do not like huge bulky PC towers.
I disagree - huge bulky PC towers are way easier to build and work on, and I much prefer them. I would never consider an ITX build unless I had a major space constraint.
My particular case is huge, and I always know that whatever motherboard or video card I choose will fit with no issues.
Because the large PC doesn't come with as many tradeoffs as the smaller one
If you get a large PC delivered when you wanted a small PC, your number one trade-off is staring you in the face.
As mentioned, modern PC cases do not need sound cards or SATA cables or mechanical hard drives. Smaller case designs have improved. and can run cool. They can be harder to build but that's a trade-off for the builder not the customer who wants a small PC.
gaming will likely be fine, reviews of the intel nuc extreme with this combo (or the hotter 12900) say thermals are ok but may get a little loud.
There will be performance left on the table vs a full size case/cooler though
So this is basically a NUC12 Extreme in a different case? The page is a little short on details…
yes it is
Pretty much but with RAM and NVME thrown in.
I always thought NUC was an Intel copyrighted thing. This is definitely not an Intel unit (barring the obvious parts).
They must not have patented the NUC name then?
It uses the NUC compute element inside
Is this good for portable device to and fro work? I have a laptop but never use it without a docking station, so a screen isn't important.
Shows $999, last week this was 899 (normal price). I was keen on buying another small computer but not from a place that price jacks!
Not really a good deal.
I noticed the exact same thing. They did this with all of the components too - it's legit the same price as before the "sale".
However, a few weeks ago when they had 10% off all PCs, there was a genuine 10% off on this. IE. $809.10
Sadly I missed out, forgot about my cart and same code stopped working.
Then the stores complain that we buy stuff overseas and not "local"
Yeah same thing here, I was trying to decide between this and another build, ended up missing both
If this had been around when I bought my Nuc 11 Extreme in the previous sales, I would probably have been tempted although the Nuc 12 extreme doesn't allow for a 4 x m.2.
was $100 off last week