An improvement on the earlier version, a normal steam wand replaces the undesirable panarello. Features an automatic cooling cycle to optimise bolier temperature for espresso extraction after steaming milk.
Original Coupon Deal
Edit: coupon expired, price now $199
i got this for $200. This is well worth the price.
How noisy is it in operation?
It goes "brrrrrrrr". And when dispensing hot water it goes "buck buck buck buck buck".
Best sound effect from words. Well done…
@dtingy: The hot water dispensing sound is annoying, but it's not as loud as my Philips kettle. I can hear the TV over the Dedica but I can't hear it over the kettle.
@AustriaBargain: I have to admit that the sound from the delonghi is loud. Thats why i dont make coffee early in the morning when the kids still on the bed. But overall this is a good machine. No complaint.
I think I paid $300, there were no specials on nothing when I needed a machine.
We used one of these for a year or so before getting a Barista Touch. Did the job well. The new one is just a lot easier.
Yeah I think the pressure on the Arte is a bit too high, for a bottomless portafilter anyway. But meh, it dispenses coffee flavoured caffeine, I'm not too fussed.
I bought one of these about 6 years ago (full price, about $400), best investment i ever made. still works like new
Yeah, I got the previous version (with crappy steam wand) at the start of 2018. The thing just won't die!
I've upgraded the steam wand to a Silvia and it honestly makes great coffee paired with my Eureka mignon.
I'm waiting for it to finally cark it to upgrade to something with
a 3 way valve, PID, and pressure adjustment. Until then though, my wallet is thankful.
I have the older version. Is it really worth when there is $500 Breville Express? I still do like our machine very much though. Bought a tamper and non pressurised basket. Great coffee!
The express takes up quite a bit of counter space compared to this, so horses for courses.
I totally agree, if you are OK with ground coffee.
Great value, but very hard to "dial in". My parents have one and a matching grinder.
It's fine if you just want ok coffee with the included pressurised baskets. It produces a lot bubbles that disguise as crema, looks great but tastes watery.
If you want to get non-pressurised baskets, you may also need a bottomless portafilter, because the included portafilter is too shallow for 18g+ baskets.
If you are looking for a grinder, avoid the Dedica Grinder, it doesn't grind fine enough. Perhaps it's marketed for stock Dedica machine which uses pressurised baskets.
Is cleaning easy? Just want to push a button for cleaning…
clean what? i'm guessing this is your 1st time owning a machine.
descaling I guess, although I haven't come across a machine that doesn't support a simple pump through descaling solution mode.
Coffee machines stop working if you don’t clean them… I guess you don’t drink much coffee?
my and my wife drinks a lot of coffee, so at least 2 cups in the morning and 2 cups in the afternoon.
what cheap machine do you own? really what water do you use, straight tap water from the sink?
i never had to clean my machine, ever.
i am starting to realise you are using bad water. please use filtered water. i have a really awesome triple water filter that gives me perfect water. you get out what you put in.
i have an expensive dual boiler coffee machine, but i don't think that matters. using bad water will cause scaling in cheap or expensive machines.
you only need to "clean (descale)" if you use bad water. Scaling occurs when water has high levels of minerals like calcium carbonate, which can build-up. change your water and you don't have to clean.
@Hugh G Rection: I do am I doing it wrong? I use tap water Hi what water would you recommend? Can I filter my own tap water? Thank you
Probably better keep paying $5 a pop for coffees then.
Any machine, including the bean-to-cup machines, require regular cleaning and descaling.
Descaling I'm guessing. Machine will display orange steam symbol when required. Straight forward. No other cleaning req.
It's metal, just wipe it down. Descaling just involves putting the acid liquid in the tank and running all the water through. Or use RO water and you need to descale far less often.
Every few months (or depending on your regular usage) the machine will flash orange to let you know it's time for descaling.
You buy descaler and you follow the manufacturer's instructions, but it's not a fully automatic operation. 30 minutes of your life and a podcast later, it's all over and your coffee tastes better.
Great thanks
If you don't want to waste money on special descaling products, use vinegar. One part water, one part vinegar. Roughly works out at 2 and 1/4 cups each.
ECM885M is not totally manual like the Icona. It features adjustable infusion temperature, infusion volume and auto-off delay. There's an automated cooling cycle to lower the boiler temperature after steaming milk. Descaling reminder is based on your setting for water hardness and the machine runs a descaling programme to reset the reminder.
I mean, are you really drinking coffee if your machine is less than 15k or so?
People buying $15k machines are for the hobby, the process of making a cup, not so much about if coffee really tastes better, of course they would like to think so. A little bit like watches, or anything in life really.
There are noticeable differences between machines at $500, $1,000, $2,000, $3,000 price points. But once over $5,000 to $6,000, you are really paying for the niche. The more expensive commercial machines are made of robust components that can achieve consistent thermostability shot after shot all day long. Businesses are paying for the performance and reliability, not because they make the best tasting coffee.
Highly recommended. I got it before COVID, is still very strong.
Robot face
What is this? A full-on barista machine? Good for chocolates?
Good for steaming milk, quite decent yes. Turning you into a confectioner, no.
Taking a look at this in stores it seems to slide around a bit when removing the portafilter (i.e. need to grip it tight when removing the filter). Is that the case?
Still using a Sunbeam EM3800 but don't think Sunbeam make them as good as they used to.
This guy says it's only tight when new and will loosen up a bit after some use
I'm reading plenty of negative reviews about the steam wand so not sure what's improved exactly.
Oh wow, they've changed the steam wand! I have the old one and that bit looks different. I drink black so I've never used the steaming functionality once before so I don't have an opinion on it, but that's new and slightly fancier.
I haven't experienced any problems with Panarello and suspect it's user error.
The panarello just makes it significantly more difficult to get silky cafe style steamed milk, especially for latte art and the like. There are hacks that make it better (like taking the plastic sheath off and using the rubber wand directly) or mods that make it excellent (replacing the wand with one from a Rancillio Silvia - I've done this mod and would recommend it) but the new steam wand is a significant improvement over the old.
@poppingtags: Would you be able to please share how to replace the wand woth a Rancillio Silva? And ca you also provide link to where purchase the wand? Thanks
@ClaudeVL: This is the tutorial I followed, I can't seem to find the link of where I bought the steam wand but I'd strongly recommend reading up on the mod (search for "Delonghi Dedica Silvia Steam Mod" - as there are certain versions of the Silvia wand that do and don't work for the mod.
How good is this in making ice lattes?
Is this comparable to the bambino plus, which is c$500?
Been using this everyday for the past year. Combined it with aldi beans, bottomless portafilter/wdt tool off Amazon and timemore hand grinder to make good value coffee. The Arte version of the dedica also includes a proper metal tamper
Got the exact setup! Yes can confirm good value and good machine. :D
Got this from ALDI for $179 I think.
meanwhile I am still drinking expired coffee pods from 2021 LoL
I’m new to coffee machines
How does it compare to
EM5000K Please
I got the Dedica Style from Aldi for the same price the other week … has the adjustable milk frother instead of the 'steam wand' for whatever that's worth.
But i'm struggling to get a decent pour out of it. Have preset the double cup button to fill a 100mL espresso cup, but once the basket is loaded up, i can only get about a third of the output volume. Then a heap of additional presses and drip-drips to try and get close to filling it up.
I'm thinking it's pressure related … the grinds puck turns to concrete afterwards but i'm not really using much tamping pressure to begin with. Using a medium-fine grind. Any advice?
There's so many variables with coffee making to get a decent cup unfortunately.The bean type, the grind size, the tamping etc.
If you want more output from the machine, just hold the one or two cup button down until it fills where you want it. Don't press, hold. This will also program it so your next shot will be exactly the same as the last. After that, you can just press the button.
100ml is way too much for an espresso. It would be well over extracted at that rate. You want more like 35ml for a double shot.
Are you using the included pressurized portafilter?
35mL is about all i'm physically getting out of the 2 cup filter before giving up (drip drip drip).
I have got the 1 cup filter, 2 cup filter, ESE pod filter, and the filter holder of course.
The cup filters consist of the sieve disc and filter housing.
They all have a single pin hole outlet so i'm guessing that's pressurised filter.
I'll watch some vids and start playing with the 1 cup filter tomorrow to save on beans
So i tried the 1 cup filter and not a problem at all … good steady pour until it started to lighten at 30+ mL and i stopped it.
I'm thinking 2 scoops in the 2 cup filter actually overfills it a little in comparison to the 1 cup basket. Will experiment.
And in addition, now i've discovered bottomless portafilters and want to spend more money!
@liam2040: Yeah both of those options are pressurised. They won't get you very good coffee, but are made to work for a courser grind.
Get yourself a 51mm unpressurised double shot basket instead. You'll need a grinder that can do proper espresso grind and remove the plastic from the portafilter, but it's worth it.
You can get a bottomless portafilter too (I have one), but it can get messy when dialling in a shot, and won't change the taste of the espresso on its own.
if you want cafe quality espresso your not going to get that from a 200 dollar machine. Not even close. This is only a step above a capsule machine, with very little in the way consistency and the shower head doesnt' fully saturate everytime, and not to mention the temp isn't consistent.
Its great I guess for a beginner, but the quality of espresso you get isn't going to be much better than a capsule. You want better quality espresso you need to pay alot more for that.
I've got better espresso's out of this than I have a lot of cafe's I've bought coffees from. An undertrained 17 year old is still probably going to make a much worse cup on a $10,000 machine than you can get out of this if you know what you're doing.
It's got it's pitfalls, but it's a hell of a lot better than pod coffee.
you have been to bad cafes. I advice you pick better ones. There are few of them but they exist. I deal with only light roasts of which a machine like this wouldn't be able to get right every time. Maybe if you like dark roasts or medium roast there little easy to get right, but even if you get the dial in right its not consitant on temp this machine even on pressure.
you have been to bad cafes
Yes, there are lots around. Particular cafes that specialise more in food than specialty coffee.
Yeah, I mostly drink medium-dark roasts, and agree the Dedica is not well suited to light roasts. I prefer light roasts as pourover anyway in general so that doesn't bother me.
Just my experience, my coffees out of this are 10x better than any nespresso pods I've had. Not as good as a well made cafe coffee I'll admit. But still good.
I'd advise you to learn how to use your coffee machines to their full potential. I own this machine, as well as a Breville Dual Boiler - for 1-2 cups per use, they can absolutely compete with each other and with the vast majority of good cafes, if you know what you're doing. I frequent many of the best cafes in Melbourne and can match their cups, or get very close to it. You'll need a few cheap upgrades - a non-pressurised portafilter, with a larger basket being the most obvious - but that should still keep the total cost under $200.
The Dual Boiler delivers a significantly better user experience, and requires less effort to make an excellent cup - but the bottom line is that for the vast majority of people, if they're willing to invest the time to learn how to use the machine, they can absolutely deliver cafe quality coffee. This is an especially good option for someone with limited kitchen space who wants to get into making espresso + espresso based drinks at home, the only better option on the market in this size is the Breville Bambino Plus.
Here's a review by a barista who uses a Dedica at home paired with a Niche and she's able to extract the same flavour profiles as the $20,000 Linea PB + EK43 she uses at her cafe.
@poppingtags: are you talking dark, medium or light roasts? because if your talking light roasts this machine wouldn't have the varables to get the right tweak to get the right, you need procese settings by the numbers to get light roasts right. This machine can't doesn't allow fine adjustments of many things because of its basic setup. You can't compare a machine that is able to do micro adjustments to a machine that can't, it makes a world of difference in taste.
@kungfuman: You've kept shifting the goal posts and progressively narrowed your criticism of the machine from "You can't get cafe quality espresso from this machine, not even close - its only a step above a capsule machine" to "Oh, I'm only talking about light roasts in particular" - most cafes don't exclusively stock light roasts, and your original criticism of the machine doesn't stand - it can deliver cafe quality cups, if you know what you're doing. Its ability to handle light roasts specifically is a different discussion entirely.
@poppingtags: i have been pretty much talking about light roast the whole time, and this machine does not produce a good cafe quality coffee from a barrista that actually knows what they are doing. No matter how you look at it, most Cafes have bad barista's that wouldn't know a train was up them till the people got out, let along make good coffee. The ones that know how to make good coffee bring out flavors that you didn't even know existed. Most people don't know what good coffee tastes like untill they actually taste what a good coffee tastes like. I can recommend a few cafes that will show you what a good espresso tastes like in light roasts or any other roast. I can garrentee if you get any of those coffees beans, and try to replicate the taste you will have a very hard time to do it on a machine that can't be adjusted accurately, even with a zero retention grinder your still not going to get the most out of your shot with this machine, the extraction on this machine is average at best. Also a step above a capsule machine means its better than a capsule machine. Doesn't make it the best espresso machine though.
@NigelTufnel: I have 2 machines 1 all in one called the Brevelle The Oracle, and one stand alone called the Brevelle Dual Boiler with my Niche Zero Grinder.
for quickness I will often go for the oracle, and if I want a nicer coffee that I take my time with I will go for the niche and dual boiler.
Depends on how much time I have in the morning.
@kungfuman: So you're talking about a set up that costs over $4k: $1,700 (The Oracle) + $800 (Dual Boiler) + $1,600 (Niche Zero)
@lolcoaster: no I never once talked about my setup in comparison to this delongi machine that would be stupid, I only answered the question I was asked "what machine do you use" But yes it does cost a bit. Coffee is a full time hobbie to me.
@kungfuman: Wow you must have a big kitchen! Part of the appeal to me of the Dedica is it's small footprint. I'd like to upgrade to the Dual Boiler (as it's less expensive than alternatives), but don't have the room in the kitchen for that, let alone that + another big one.
@NigelTufnel: yeah I am someone that enjoys his coffee alot. But I have tried many of these machines in the past to see how they compare. Some are surpricing and some are just average, and some are just terriable. But you can't expect alot from the price you paying, you get what you pay for.
@kungfuman: This kind of elitism is so tedious. So many people who own Linea Minis would say the same about your Breville "coffee appliance" and tell you that the conical burrs on your Niche won't ever come close to what their flat burr grinder can achieve. They're wrong and so are you. As the video I linked in my original comment shows, if you can't dial in a good shot from these machines, the machine isn't the weak link - you are.
I don't need recommendations for good cafes, as I mentioned in my previous comment - I frequent the very best (Market Lane, St Ali, Patricia, Proud Mary, Axil, Dukes, Ona, Padre, Acoffee etc) and happily pay a premium to access rare and unusual beans, I know what a good cup tastes like.
If you can't dial in a good shot from these machines, the machine isn't the weak link - you are.
I was gunna say maybe he's just crap at making coffee, but you said it so elequently.
@pufffdragon: It's also hilarious that this man has been raving on about how you absolutely need "micro adjustments" to be able to make cafe quality coffee at home, while admitting he mostly uses a fully automated machine himself - what a wild ride!
@pufffdragon: “gunna”
I’m gonna say you’re crap at spelling.
Facts are facts the problem with facts is people would rather hear lies.
@poppingtags: Dialing in is only one variable of coffee, temperature control, volume and pressure control, distribution and tamping, as well as pre infusion control all play a part in making good coffee, making a 1:2.5 ratio at a custom extraction timefor example is not possible with the delongi at this price point I wouldn’t expect it. The coffee made from this machine is average, its not amazing but its not terrible either. Consistency in shots is not there for this machine. I don’t know how i can explain to u that its not just technique and skill that makes a good coffee, it also the brewing.
@kungfuman: Can't believe you're trying (and failing) to make a point about spelling after you've been misspelling a whole bunch of words (including Breville), in every comment, on top of some atrocious grammar.
I honestly feel bad for you at this point, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Anyone reading this thread will understand how terrible the points you've made are, and feel better about the Delonghi - which is what I originally intended.
I'm out, keep up the good work buddy, we're all very proud of you and your Oracle!
@poppingtags: Ok so you have no point of substance to your argument at all? I can’t spell? What about your lack of comprehension and reading skills? The fact u can’t even come at me with any counterpoints just makes me laugh. Its also funny when people run away when they have no arguments, i am sure u run away from everyone when u can’t win. I am pretty sure thats called cowardice.
@poppingtags: So u own both a breville flat blur grinder and a niche? U can prove this? Ok sure show me how u achieved this? The video u linked is something u also misunderstood, its a comparison between 2 coffee machine he mentions nothing on settings or anything of that nature. Your video doesn’t even support your argument in anyway about making coffee.
Good simple coffee machine. Need grinder or use powder