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ING Direct Orange Advantage Home Loan 3.76% via Matesrate Broker Cashback + Offset

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Thanks aussie bargain for the tips. I have clean up my spreadsheet and make this deal even much better !!!

NOTE: Sorry for the wrong info because of an out dated page. Monthly admin fee is $10, but this deal is still the best deal when combine with ING Cashback Home Loan.
For loan amount less than $160,000, please use Pricepal cashback deal for better rate .
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/215201

At the bottom of the screen, you can select the respective spreadsheet to see the calculation. i.e ING_MatesRate, ING_Pricepal…

1. Contact those brokers at Matesrate to enquire about getting your Home Loan with ING Orange Advantage
http://matesratesmortgages.com.au/mortgage-lenders/mortgage-…

ING is having 3.99% Home Loan rate (4.19% CR) for Owner Occupier ONLY.

For investment loan, you may talk to the broker and they will let you know what is the best deal. Always remember to do your own search as well before committing to what the broker said !!!

UPDATE 2: Based on experience from JHoliday in the comment below, since these guys (MatesRate) only get their money from the one-off commission, they are not keen to deal with loan less than $200K. What you can do is borrow more then put in money in the offset account and make $3000 repayment every month to max out ING cashback. Or you can go with 1300HomeLoan deal instead since the cashback won't be much difference for loan up to $200K

2. You can obtain ING Loan through that broker and they will refund you 100% of their trailing commission to your bank account.

The catch is they will deduct admin fee every month before they pay you. So if your monthly trailing commission is less than admin fee then you won't get anymore cashback.

For the first 3 years, the other deal is better if your loan amount is <=$160,000
For the 4th+ year, the other deal is better if your loan amount is <=$120,000
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/215201

Some of you will ask so what is for broker, brokers get 2 commissions:

  • One-off commission when you get your loan (It is about 0.6%+ of your loan amount depends on lenders), they won't get it if you don't stay with the lender for at least 6 months so if you switch your loan within 6 months, the lender with take it back. The brokers will keep this commission.
  • Ongoing trailing commission with your loan: for ING it is 0.15% for the first 3years then 0.2% after, and MatesRate will give you cashback 100% of this (minus admin fee).

3. You will get cashback on repayment up to $3000 per month from ING, I am still not sure if this is based on your minimum repayment amount or not which means you need to have shorter term to have a higher min monthly repayment.

As you can see from the spreadsheet, after ING cashback and MatesRate cashback your true rate is 3.8% and reducing every year ;)

As you can see in the 2nd sheet, for $300K loan and shorter term, the effective rate is even get to 3.76%

When you change the Loan Amount, you can also change the term so that monthly repayment is $3000 to max out ING cashback

Since ING minimum loan value for this deal is $150K, if you only have a small loan balance, you'd to borrow maximum 80% LVR then put the extra money in offset account. Then you can make $3000 repayment every month to Home Loan account to earn 1% cashback on repayment.
You may not get trailing cashback for the extra loan though because trail cashback is calculated on owing loan balance i.e principle - offset

Cons:

  • ING is stricter than big bank with your borrowing power, they use 8% as a stress test to work out your borrowing power i.e work out your loan amount as if the interest rate is 8% so you may not be able to borrow as much. But talk to the broker, they will help you out by checking your overtime or extra income to push for a higher borrowing amount.

  • $199 annual fee, waived for first year which I have included in my spreadsheet.

Pros:

  • This comes with an Offset account and 2% PayWave cashback which will save you even more money(as long as you deposit at least $1000 per month to your Everyday account which you will need to use to pay for your home loan anyway).

None of the credit card reward program has cashback rate of 2%. You can use Coles Credit Card for non-PayWave payment with 1% cashback value through Flybuys Dollar ($89 annual fee - they must have dropped it recently, I remembered they jacked it up to $149 before). This card got no Foreign Exchange fee as well

FYI, Offset account is needed for Tax purposes if you want to claim negative gearing later down the track, Redraw will contaminate your home loan account and you can't claim negative gearing.

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        • +1

          @Underlord: you are correct. Spoke with a different broker and the only amount you get cash back on per conditions in the agreement are those PAYMENTS made toward the MORTGAGE and the cap of $3000 is inclusive of the minimum monthly amount.

          on this basis o decided not to proceed.

  • Can someone please help me understand why ING have comparison rate of 4.19% and normal rate of 3.99%; trying to compare it with ubank who have normal rate and comparison rate both at 3.99%.

    • +5

      because ING has an annual fee of $199.

    • guessing the $195 yearly fee.. waived only for the first year?

  • +1

    Question.. This "discount" doesn't say if it's for the life of the loan.. So who is to say that ING won't jack the rate up or 1/2 the discount, therefore being no better (worse) than many other offerings??
    A good way to suck new customers in, then raise the rate / remove the discount %age.. (Unless I'm wrong and it is a definite locked discount for the life of the loan)

    • Unless they want to upset the whole customer base and going into damage control on social media, they are welcome to touch the cashback :) For now, enjoy while it lasts

    • +1

      They already did that. They have been the cheapest for a while.

      Then they jacked up investment rate by 0.37% while most other lenders only raised rate by 0.25%

      • Well, all the banks are dodgy that's why we ozbargainers post good deals everyday. If their rate becomes shit, I will shop around again. Since you are a broker, can you let me know if I can get this loan for House and Land package?

  • Any investment home loan refinancing special with low interest rate? I am with BankWest and they increased my investment home loan interest rate from 4.52% to 4.84%. Offset account fee was also recently increased from $9 to $10 per month.

    • -1

      that's the problem that RBA did not regulate the banks during bad economy……

      • +1

        The problem is that RBA does not regulate meaningfully.. full stop.. You cant just change interest rates and expect the economy to change..other actions have to be taken

        • 15 years ago, RBA rate at 4.5%, Bank official rate at 6.5%

          now RBA at 2%, official bank rate at 5.84%…..

          During recession, one example: one bank profit at 800M$ , during 1st year recession bank earn 1.1B$ then 1.3B then 1.7B …. after 8 years today, the bank earn almost $7B

          Economics 101 stated booming - de-regulate, recession - regulate bank

    • Ouch, Bankwest used to be competitive. Same as ubank - how do they think they're going to keep customers with rates like that?
      I don't know about this deal, but with loans.com.au you can have an offset account on your home at 4.06% and then investment loans with redraw but not offset at 4.02% IO or 3.99% P&I.

      I won't use products with ongoing fees - just a principal thing - probably costs me :)

      (You shouldn't need offset ac with investments loans?? Your offset should be on non-deductible loan.)

  • It's a great offer, too bad they don't have a competitive rate for investment loans.

    • The deal is NOT limited to ING, you can still use this broker for other lenders to get trail cashback

    • Contact the Broker

  • +3

    Anyone that signs up, please post a review of the service with the broker and ing.

  • +1

    "FYI, Offset account is needed for Tax purposes if you want to claim negative gearing later down the track, Redraw will contaminate your home loan account and you can't claim negative gearing"

    Be careful as misleading words will confuse those who don't know better. You don't need an offset account to negatively gear. Nor do you need a redraw account either to achieve that.

    What your most likely referring to is an offset ac avoids issue with tax deductibility by having a redraw and drawing back out money due to the nature of an offset account. Neither are needed for negative gearing

  • Please can someone explain this in more detail to me?

    "The catch is they will deduct $10 admin fee every month before they pay you. So if your monthly trailing commission is <$10 then you won't get anymore cashback. The break even point will be $60,000 but that is many years down the track of your loan anyway"

    • +1

      $60,000 is from 4th year onward, 0.2% x $60000 = $120, admin fee is $120 ($10 x 12month) so you won't get anymore cashback.

      I have updated my break even points between this deal and the other deal, so the break even cashback amount is $20 (because of the $10 monthly admin fee) which means the loan amount is $160K.

      i.e 50% of $20 = $10 vs $20 - $10 admin is $10
      So the other deal will be slightly better if your loan amount is less than $160K

  • About to pull the trigger with my home loan.

    Is this better or is loans.com.au better? 350k loan, no offset funds left :(

    • As you can see from the calculation, this deal is definitely better with double cashback and full service loan with offset account.

  • Regarding Matesrates:
    1) Has anyone dealt with them before and are currently receiving their cash back ?
    2) Where are they located ?

  • Great, my first post that is in "Popular Deal" club in 13 hours, my other deal is only 5 +ve away to join the club :)

  • +2

    Regarding Matesrates:
    1) Has anyone dealt with them before and are currently receiving their cash back ?
    2) Where are they located ?

    ^ this. i want to know how they are, any reviews?

    • Same, all I can see on them are posts that are a few years old.
      The 1300 Homeloan group has recent positive reviews.

      • +5

        This entire deal is standing on materates reliability. People here have a tendency of getting ahead of themselves with voting the 'idea' without taking into account practical application.

        • +1

          wish their representative is here!

        • People vote not just for the deal but also for the spreadsheet calculation. Initially I wanted to see how ING cashback will bring down the rate so I made this spreadsheet.

          After I did more research and came across someone's post on ozbargain mentioning about cashback so I dig further and add that to the calculation.

    • Has anyone received a call back from them?

    • +5

      My initial interactions with them left a lot to be desired.

      Couldn't find an email address on their whole website or Facebook page.

      Eventually managed to leave a message with them via their chat (which was offline at the time and was offline this morning). They never bothered to answer any of my questions and instead said it probably wasn't worth their time dealing with loans under $200,000 and they would charge a fee of $1300 for loans under this amount.

      So the original post needs to be updated saying this is only valid for offers >$200,000

  • They've been inundated with calls so are probably prioritising based on loan value… my loan relatively low so they probably deprioritised me :(

    • then max out your loan then put in offset account later :)

      • oh yeh clever boy

        • By doing that you actually earn money from ING cashback

      • so they wouldnt let me borrow more than my current loan since im refinancing… damn

        • +2

          That sucks. loans.com.au do. I always bump up to full 80%, so have some equity in reserve.

        • @SlickMick: hmm maybe ill consider them instead… since the value of my proeprty has gone up by 50%+ over past two and half years….

          the increase in equity is more than my initial loan LOL

  • +1

    What happens if broker stops paying/ goes broke? Is the contract with matesrates or the broker?

    • Then you can nominate another broker that you have relationship with

  • Love this site. Saved/Wasted so much time on it as a lurker. I work as a MFAA accredited finance broker.

    You may also want to add $199 annual fee and the $120 admin that is taken from trail. Comparison rate on this would be more like 3.96-.99% (as trail is eaten up by admin fee for most people AFTER 3/4 YEARS and you still have 20+ years on the loan). Plus due to the trail being eaten up the loan essentially reverts back to 3.99%. Still a great product as long as there is good serviceability, as it is assessed at 8% qualifying rate.

    I would match this for the OzBargain community (full trail back), but do not have the admin staff to process back the trail and it's just very time consuming. Also remember when re-financing to refinance on the amount REMAINING on your loan (not back to 30/25 years).

    *Will speak to one of my lender's to see if I can offer something just as good without the customer having to rely on the broker. The product is 4.04% (4.05% comp.) right now with trail and has a qualifying rate of 7% (funded and backed by one of Australia's largest lending institutions).

    • Please read my post and my spreadsheet carefully. All fees i.e annual fee, admin fee has been added to the calculation and the rate that you see is the final rate.

      Also, this deal works best when refinance to MAX Loan value back to 25/30 years NOT on the remaining loan value. You can put the money into offset account and keep making $3000 monthly repayment to max out the cashback from ING.

      I want to send you message but your PM function is not enabled.

      • +1

        Have a look at the formulas again. This is not the comparison rate. The way you worked out the annual effective rate does not consider $120 admin and $200 annual fee.

        The formula and the formula for actual monthly repayment are not used. The calculation for monthly repayment needs to add $26.66 per month ($200 fee/12 and $10 broker admin fee).

        Fixed PM now.

        • Where are these fees mentioned. I can only find a $5 monthly fee

          http://matesratesmortgages.com.au/how-we-pay-you-commission-…

          ** As of Monday 16th January 2012, Mates Rates Mortgage Brokers will charge a $5.00 monthly administration fee to maintain each monthly payment of the Cashback/Rebate to your nominated account. Multiple loans will be made as a single payment to your nominated account and will incur a single fee. Multiple payments will incur the administration fee for each individual payment. Payment of the fee can be deducted from the rebate payment each month or charged to your nominated Mastercard or Visa card each month.

        • nonsense, admin fee has been deducted in Trailing cashback formula. Annual fee has been added to the principle at every year. There is a slight tolerance that is acceptable to make the calculation simpler. The annual fee is added to the principle and 1st month of every year so the interest is calculated on that annual fee as well.

        • @jaybot:

          Original poster mentioned $10 a month admin fee.

          I am just stating that the actual rate is not right. 3.99%p.a - 0.15% p.a broker trail= 3.84% annual rate. Not considering the annual $199 and $10 out of that trail (let's just say this is cancelled by the rebate). Like i said the comparison rate is closer to ~3.96% p.a, which is VERY VERY good.

        • @jaybot: Wow, this is new, unless they updated it since yesterday. I have checked yesterday and it is $10. Can someone call them to confirm and I will update my calculation :)

        • @samprofs: Sorry I was getting confused. I thought you meant the matesrate had the $199 fee on top of ING's $199 for some reason

        • @samprofs:
          I don't know what you are talking about, the rate you have seen in the spreadsheet is final rate, there are NO more added fee to the calculation.

        • @jaybot: http://matesratesmortgages.com.au/about-us/mortgage-refunds/

          As of 1 March 2015 Mates Rates Mortgage Brokers will charge a $10.00 monthly administration fee to maintain each monthly payment of the CashBack to your nominated account.

        • @Underlord: and it's been changed again. I don't plan on using them now.

        • @jaybot: I think it's just that this link: http://matesratesmortgages.com.au/how-we-pay-you-commission-… quotes a different rate to this link: http://matesratesmortgages.com.au/about-us/mortgage-refunds/

          I feel like the latter is correct due to it having a more recent date.

    • maybe you should copy their business model and hire some overseas admin staff.
      $10 a month per customer would cover it i rkn.

  • +1

    Keep in mind that any good broker will usually recommend rates as one of the last few things to chase. The bank, product and other items are more important in a property portfolio than just the lowest rate with an inflexible bank or product.

    Keep in mind that a variable rate is what rate it is NOW. Your much better off targetting a good discount over life of loan from std variable reference rate and goinf with a track record bank who is usually fair with rises. A good example was i didnt make the cut with Westpac and missed out on the 85% no lmi deal until Dec. Have to go bankwest now as westpac calculates a 0.25% loan amount buffer on monthly serviceability which knocked over 1k out of my monthly available cash

    Now look, they've raised owners occupied by 0.2% and are more align with other banks at the time. They were cheaper before.

    So if you go with a cheap rate its only cheap so long as the bank keeps it that way!

    Many high interest rate products for savings lost that mantle and i had to jump to competitors. Alot harder with a mortgage and associated fees.

    So dont get suckered in by cheapest rate being ozbargainers. This is one area of life where cheap goes beyond what you see on the surface and a good broker 'should' tell you and find you that. Findinf a good broker is the harde part!

    • Very true! Other factors to consider than just rate, especially when it comes to flexibility and wanting to build a portfolio, self-employed clients and needing cash outs/top ups.

      Having said that ING are generally good when it comes to service, but as OP mentioned servicing is very tight (their 'qualifying rate' is at 8%). That means that your borrowing power is lower.

    • +1

      lol, we are talking about ozbargainers jumping through hoops to save things like $10 Amex deal or freebies and this is worth saving of hundreds or even thousands a year. Besides, ING service is great. But this loan is not for everyone because of the stricter lending policy.

  • Damn the outdated page, I did made a fool of myself. $10 should be the current admin fee, only the posted link is outdated. I will have to edit my post again… geez…

  • Is this valid for refinance as well??

    • Yes, for any home loan

  • Is there an option (presumably with a slightly higher % plus lenders insurance) to refinance if your LVR is higher than 80%? For example 85% or 90% ?

    • Yeah I'd like to know this too!

      • You can call ING directly to find out :) or if ING loan doesn't work out for you then you can use this broker for other lenders to get trail cashback

        • Looks like it's 4.44% for 80-90 lvr. I don't know if there's better out there but I am in the market for similar

        • @jaybot: Thanks jaybot. Thats still better than the ~4.8% that I am currently getting with St George.

          The downside is the lenders insurance. I think last time it was around $7,000 for $350K. I believe if we can get St George to sharpen their rate on our existing loan, there will be no insurance, but if we re-finance to another lender, its a big chunk of change we need to consider.

          We have the funds in uBank to bring the loan down to 80% LVR but we wanted to keep those funds towards a deposit on another house in the next year or so.

          That reminds me - the best rates are being offered for owner occupied homes. If you refinance when you live in the home, but 6 months later you buy another house and rent the first one out, is that likely to cause a problem with the first house mortgage/bank ?

        • +1

          @jaybot: You can presently get this offer for 80 to 90%LVR: https://www.naritas.com.au/latest-news/3-69p-a-cr-na-mortgag… NB: The mortgage insurance premiums charged by this lender are also generally competitive in comparison to most alternatives.

        • @systmworks: Generally speaking your lender expects you to inform them of major changes to your circumstances. In practice, if a borrower is comfortably making the required repayments and their overall ability to service your debt is not tenuous - they ought to not encounter issues with making such transitions. The pricing may differ due to policy considerations, however. This article may also help you understand issues to do with this topic: https://www.naritas.com.au/articles/does-investor-mortgage-l… PS You don't always to have pay LMI for over 80%LVR loans: https://www.naritas.com.au/90-lvr-no-lmi/

  • I recently refinanced a few months back from CBA (4.79%) to Suncorp (4.15%). Are there any implications to potentially refinance again with this deal (other than the fee to break the fixed loan)?

    • Most lender wants to see 6 months loan statement for refinance.

      And any saving you are trying to save for the 0.16% difference + annual fee for switching from Suncorp to ING will be eaten up by:

      • recent discharge fee from CBA : $350
      • new discharge fee from Suncorp : $350
      • cost to break the fix loan from Suncorp? must be quoted from SUN
      • recent government charge for switching from CBA to SUN: $337
      • recent government charge for switching from SUN to ING: $337

      So unless your loan amount is substantial, it will take you a good 2 -3 years just to recoup the cost.

  • +1

    OP. ING extended this offer until 18 December so you might want to change the expiry date.

    • updated.

    • nice!

  • +1

    Hi

    Anybody who would like to refer me if they are using Naritas services

    https://www.naritas.com.au/latest-news/refer-a-contact-you-b…

    I am starting my mortgage refinance process very soon

    PM me

  • How did we get from 4.19% to 3.76%? Even accounting for the rebates, I don't get it.

    Or is it just the advertised rate of 3.99% minus the rebates? If so, what is the adjusted comparison rate?

    • Do you know the so-called comparison rate is only calculated on $150K loan for 25 years? The spreadsheet show you the actual rate you pay after all the cashback.

  • Another question: why is the ING deal considered the best? I notice Matesrates also have The Rock on their panel, who are offering a comparison rate of 4.02% before any rebate.

    • Because ING rate before ANY rebates/cashback is 3.99% and there are 2 cashback that brought the rate down.

  • So I talked to the broker and they sent some details on the ING offer..

    UPFRONT FEES

    Loan Application Fees - $0

    Property Valuation Fees - $0

    Estimated Lenders Mortgage - $0

    Other Establishment Costs - $550 (General allowance for other unascertainable establishment costs.)

    Loan Settlement Fees - $220

    Anti Bias Guarantee $71.25 (Once off fee)

    ONGOING FEES

    Annual Fees - $199 (charged by ING Direct)

    Cashback Maintenance - $10 (to be paid monthly)

    EXIT FEES

    Discharge Fees - $250

    Attendance Fees - $0

    Some of these don't seem to be factored into the spreadsheet?

    • My spreadsheet is only for you to see the ongoing interest rate payment. Pre-setup fee and exit fee has nothing to do with my calculation. Most of these fees are standard fee with other lenders anyway.

      • ING site shows this offer available till mid december now, can probably update deal

      • +1

        The one fee unique to Mates Rates is the Anti Bias Guarantee, you can read more about it here: http://matesratesmortgages.com.au/about-us/abl-anti-bias-lev…

        Basically they get a 0.65% upfront commission irrespective of who is lending the money. If the lender only offers a 0.625% upfront commission (in the case of ING), then you have to pay Mates Rates the extra 0.025%.

  • Good offer. Had rang them today. THanks for the post

  • +1

    I have been thinking about how these brokers can actually maintain these business models.

    Theoretically, the 10 admin fee should cover it, but they must have many accounts such that they get the benefit of economy of scale. In addition, they need to maintain the constant scale of new businesses to keep up. If not, the whole thing will fall apart.

    One thing that I can't work out is: if all of the trailing commission is refunded back to the customer, how can they actually maintain their relationship with the mortgage aggregators (as there is a fee for that as well)?

  • So what happens after 18 December in terms of the ING Deal? Does it simply revert everyone's variable rate back to ING's standard variable rate? Does the rate stay at 3.99 and you just lose the option of waiving that first year fee?

    • Are you asking what happens to your nice 3.99% loan after this deal ends? Generally you're buying a fixed discount off their standard variable rate, in this case 0.85% off their 4.84%. If their standard variable rate goes up, so does yours equally.

      If you mean what are they going to offer after that date, only ING Direct know…

  • Mates Rates are apparently swamped with applications now, 15 - 20 a day they said thanks to OzBargain.

    • Haha, they should have thanked me for my post, maybe I should ask them for ozbargain special for $5 admin fee instead.

  • Does this deal apply to refinancers or just to buyers?

  • What's stopping ING from increasing the interest rate once the promotion is over?

    • ING has already announced that it is increasing the rate 18BPS effective 15 January 2016. That will make the new headline interest rate for this product 4.17%p.a.

      • +1

        I'm leaning more and more toward locking in a fixed rate. 5 years at 4.48% surely is a good deal

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