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MSI GP62 Leopard Pro 15.6" i7 1TB+128GB SSD 8GB GTX960M 2GB Win10 $1,479.20 @ Futu Online eBay

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MSI GP62 Leopard Pro 15.6" i7 1TB+128GB SSD 8GB GTX960M 2GB Win10 $1,479.20 @ Futu Online eBay
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es4yMPVrtdVxCPeRJR4x on 07/06/2016 - 10:48 ebay.com.au (388 clicks)
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By my calculations this is worth the extra $360 over this Dell Inspiron 15 7000 for $1119 deal but also still much more affordable over this METABOX Prime P640RE for $1628+ (incl. SSD+O/S) deal. Correct??

CPU: Latest 6th Gen. Intel(R) CoreTM i7 6700HQ processor
OS: Windows 10 Home
Chipset: Intel(R) HM170
Memory: 16GB DDR4-2133, 2 slots, up to 32GB
Display: 15.6" Full HD (1920 x 1080), 94% NTSC wide-view panel
Graphics: GeForce GTX 960M
Graphics VRAM: 2GB GDDR5
Storage: 128GB SSD (M.2 SATA) + 1TB (SATA) 7200rpm
Optical Drive: DVD Super Multi
Audio: 4 Speakers, Exlusive Audio Boost Technology, Nahimic Audio Enhancer
Webcam: HD type (30fps@720p)
Card Reader: SD (XC/HC)
LAN: Killer E2400 Gigabit Ethernet with Killer Shielf
Wireless LAN: 802.11ac
Bluetooth: Bluetooth v4.0
HDMI: 1(v1.4)
USB 2.0 port: N/A
USB 3.0 port: 3x USB 3.0, 1x USB 3.0 Type-C
Mini-Display Port: 1(v1.2)
Mic-In/HPhone-Out: 1/1
Keyboard: Single colour backlighting (white) SteelSeries keyboard, Silver Lining Print
AC Adapter: 120W
Battery: 6-cell
Dimensions: 383(W) x 260(D) x 27-29(H)mm
Weight (KG): 2.3Kg

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  • congo on 07/06/2016 - 10:55

    I have the MSI gaming laptop.
    They are great value.

    The only two complaints would be
    1. Weights too much (unless you get the ghost version)
    2. LCD screen (can) died after warranty period and are expensive to replaced.

  • CodeXD on 07/06/2016 - 10:57
    +5

    also still much more affordable over this METABOX Prime P640RE deal. Correct??

    METABOX Prime P640RE has GTX970m which is significantly better compared to GTX960m

    The hardware specifications are much weaker compared to the top models. The GTX 980M has more than twice as many shaders (1,536 CUDA cores) and 4 up to 8 GB GDDR5 video memory (256-bit interface) is better for the future as well. The GTX 970M is also better suited for gaming when you consider the 1,280 shaders and 3 up to 6 GB video memory (192-bit interface).

    Based on the price-performance ratio we would recommend the GTX 970M for gaming enthusiasts

    SAUCE

  • bchliu on 07/06/2016 - 11:53
    +1

    The Metabox's GTX970m is about 40% better than the GTX960m in almost every benchmark. Cant compare.

    • GreatWhiteHunter on 07/06/2016 - 11:59
      -2

      On every other measure other than graphics this kicks the crap out of the metabox

      The metabox is a 14" screen with no hdd, no ssd and no OS. Upgrade all those and suddenly the metabox is $2000+

      On graphics power the 970m is a lot better than the 960m….

      • c0balt on 07/06/2016 - 12:55
        +2

        FYI smaller screens and same specs mean $$$$$ increase, not the other way around.

        The Metabox in the OPs link for $1628 contains an SSD and OS, so far off your quote of $2000+.

        But a lot of OZBers know you get get all that ever cheaper. A real licence of W7-10 can be had for under $30, a 128GB SSD (non NVME) can be had for $50 and a 2TB HDD for less than $100. Sure, you might say well it's a normal SSD vs an NVME SSD, but I would like to know a single real world scenario in which the bandwidth of a SATA SSD is bottlenecking the other components or I/O and and NVME SSD would remove that bottleneck.

        In no way does this deal beat the metabox deal, this deal is a few dollars cheaper for significantly worse performance and significantly worse portability.

        • CodeXD on 07/06/2016 - 12:59

          FYI smaller screens and same specs mean $$$$$ increase, not the other way around.

          I thought the same as you, however, the 15" version p650re is actually more expensive :(

        • c0balt on 07/06/2016 - 13:04

          @CodeXD:

          The p650re is not on sale, the P640RE is.

          Can't really compare price to performance/portability between an on sale laptop with one that isn't.

        • CodeXD on 07/06/2016 - 13:29
          +1

          @c0balt:

          The p650re is not on sale, the P640RE is.

          How about we take a look at the non-sale prices then?

          P640RE standard price: $1549.00

          P650RE standard price: $1739.00

          They are both configured with same specs. I'm not trying to start anything, just that smaller screen size doesn't always mean it will be more costly. The 15" ones comes with a full size keyboard with numpad and some people just prefer to have that and tank the extra weight/bigger screen.

          p.s. the prices also aligns with the RRP set by metabox

          http://www.metabox.com.au/store/b179/Metabox-Prime-P640RE-La…
          http://www.metabox.com.au/store/b158/Metabox-Prime-P650RE-La…

        • GreatWhiteHunter on 07/06/2016 - 15:15
          -1

          @CodeXD: Don't let the facts get in front of Cobalt's bs story….

        • c0balt on 07/06/2016 - 15:35

          @CodeXD:

          The links show EOFY pricing though. Even though it's a sale, it's still an exception to the rule. I wonder if it's due to having so many 14's they need to move that they can price it lower. I'm trying to find prices when they were introduced in 2015, that will give a better indication, but I can't find prices from the same retailer at launch.

          @GreatWhiteHunter, are you serious? Anyone can look up and see how you turned $1550 into $2000+. It's still there now. In addition are you are saying it's a fact that a larger laptop will be more expensive given the same specs? That's a very interesting 'fact' you have chosen to stick by. Not only that but when I was replying to you, it was the metabox vs MSI deal, so the metabox vs metabox point that CodeXD brought up has nothing to do with your original horrible advice that that the MSI is a better deal than the Clevo and that ~$1600 is the same as $2000+.

      • bchliu on 07/06/2016 - 13:06
        +1

        To be fair:

        Realistically the OP should have been comparing it like for like in the Metabox range and should be this one as the closest comparison:

        http://www.kongcomputers.com/product-detail/gamers/metabox-a…

        Like for like and outfitting the specs with the same sets of options (Windows OEM with media, EOFY RAM + SSD and 1TB HDD) puts it around $1576. Whilst it is almost $100 more expensive, you do get an extra year's warranty, 16GB of RAM instead of 8GB and the Windows is media version as opposed to embedded on the HDD plus Startrack delivered.

        If I was after a cheap gaming box that has a label behind it, then the Asus is the go in this deal. But if I was going to go for anything faster or bigger screen, then the Metabox is a better choice. I was also evaluating this but couldnt find a real equivalent in the 17" with GTX970 for under $2k delivered outside of the Metabox deal.

  • juzz0 on 07/06/2016 - 14:03

    I would pay an extra $500-$600 if it included a 980 not 960 (hopefully ti usually sell for $900, whereby you can get the 960 for $280-300). Then it should meet requirements for VR (Oculus at least, with the processor, 4 USB 3 ports, RAM and OS). Unless there is some weird configuration whereby the HDMI inpt goes through the intel integrated chipset (or something like that which apparently prevents VR running on machines that meet the requirements). I would sacrifice the DVD drive if a 980 could be inserted. I would think they would also be coming down in price considering the impending release of next gen NVIDIA cards. Better video card might draw more battery and create more noise but sacrifice I'm willing to make.

    I move around a lot and don't have the money for a separate gaming desktop and laptop so purchasing a higher spec desktop unit for $2k isn't suitable.

    • bchliu on 07/06/2016 - 14:38

      $500-600 to upgrade the 960 to 980? Try more around $900-1000. The minimum price for a 980 is about $2400 considered to be "cheap" when Asus, MSI etc are all asking about $3000 for their models. $500 extra will only get you a bump up to a 970. The 980 really commands a premium considering it is about 80% quicker than the 960.

      Metabox's cheapest GF 980 15.6"(about $2400 by the time you put in the SSD and stuff):
      http://www.kongcomputers.com/product-detail/gamers/metabox-p…

      • juzz0 on 07/06/2016 - 15:11

        I'm just referring to components

        https://www.pccasegear.com/products/32234?gclid=CKGNnO6Slc0C…

        https://www.pccasegear.com/products/30480?gclid=CNeC14iTlc0C…

        An extra $610. I don't see why installation would be much more expensive than the 960 and taking out a DVD drive would remove the cost of that component hence why I think an extra $600. Now is that reflective in pricing policy of those lappy manufacturers that like to gouge and set premiums on higher spec models, probably not. Obviously the $610 price difference does take into account margins already as they are being sold at retail level for those prices ($899 and $289). Adds around 200 grams to the unit.

        • bchliu on 07/06/2016 - 15:16

          Err.. Laptop components.. not desktop. Very different parts. Cooling mechanisms are different and chips are smaller to reduce the heat. You cannot take a desktop component price and difference and compare it to a laptop's version.

          Why is it so much more expensive then? because they can charge you this price and because NVidia charges this much for their chips and people are willing to pay this price for portability.

          Or how about this. Why dont you buy this MSI Leopard laptop and buy a desktop Graphics GTX980 card and find a way to shove it in?

        • juzz0 on 07/06/2016 - 16:16
          -1

          @bchliu: I wonder what the comparison is then? There are Gaming laptops with desktop cards out there. As for the expense of the laptops versus the type of cards it seems to be beyond what NVIDIA charges as it should be a similar price difference to what consumers pay between desktop/laptop models (they even probably make larger profits at the 980 price level of 899 versus 960 of 280). You bring up a good point as the chassis seems to be the main point of difference but in terms of price per unit a slightly wider chassis or one with an added vent shouldn't add more than $50 to the manufacturing cost of the units (swap out the disc drive). The fact is as you said the bottom price for 980 laptops seems to be 2800-3000 but it doesn't seem to match the real cost of the upgraded card and adjusted chassis.

          If someone can explain to me why people are being charged double the price for computers with same processor, ram, hybrid drive, port options but an upgraded card please let me know. The closest I got to purchasing a laptop like this was $2700 at the Dick Smith sales for a predator G9 (with 6gb 980 and 32gb of RAM reduced from $4000). I understand if you are going to add a system of liquid cooling and have multiple GFX cards working in conjunction (pretty much converting your laptop into a desktop) it will make it a thousand dollars more expensive but it just seems like gouging and until someone breaks it down to explain the $1500 premium I will continue to think as such.

        • bchliu on 07/06/2016 - 16:52

          @juzz0: Not sure if I can make an observation here to say that you've probably never done simple commerce / economics to know the whole Supply to Demand curves. This is what drives the entire society and determines the pricing of products where you have to figure out how much supply you can manufacture to the demand of how many people actually want the product.

          In CPU / GPU manufacturing, they use a "binning process" whereby one fab creates the same chips that can be used for the high / medium / low end models and they price it according to the quality of each individual chip against tolerance levels (eg. Chip frequency, amount of working transistors etc). Not all chips are created the same and some just dont make the grade of being higher quality. Hence, these higher quality ones will end up being the high end i7's, GTX 980's etc. They will then test the chip for a lower quality to get the i5's and 970's before it goes down to the i3 and 960 etc. This ends up with a bell curve to say that maybe 5-10% can make the top grade so that they can sell it at a higher premium than the others because they have been tested to run better and quicker than the others. Because a lot of people will demand more power and better quality, then they will limit it to be only available to the premium buyers with top money and willing to pay for it. The middle mainstream will be those who do not want to pay a lot of money, but still want a decent performance etc.

          This works the same with Laptop and Desktop differences too. Laptop chips are ones that can run a top end frequency / speed, using only a fraction of the power (100W TDP vs 160W TDP) and ones that produce much less heat than their siblings. These chips are arguably the cream of the crop and even rarer than the desktop 980's hence why these are classified as "best of the best" and commanding the most premium dollar of them all.

          You can argue all you like around how there's little to no difference technically because they are the same Maxwell chips, but the truth is.. they set a price.. people buy it. If you disagree with this, then dont buy it. If you were out to make business, you too would want to ensure you get the highest margins for the best products. Its how businesses work.

        • juzz0 on 07/06/2016 - 17:02

          @bchliu: I don't understand the differences between the costs in the chipset required for 960 vs 980. I understand factors of supply and demand and that these computers are priced to what the market can bear… maybe MSI, Dell, ASUS, Acer etc. etc. have done modelling and if they do price their flagship models lower it will cut into the mid-tier market or that most people in the market for 980 carded laptops are willing to spend 3000+ that doesn't make it any less gouging though as prices should correspond roughly to how much it would cost to build barebones. It seems the chipset can handle 980, here is an Alienware build (albeit 17") with same chipset and processor but 980m. Obviously the card will have a higher power draw and the battery life will be less but I think it would still be feasible with these units (may have to design the chassis slightly differently to account for size or remove disc drive): http://www.rebeltech.co.za/laptops/12221-alienware-17-i7-670… I guess I will take the latter and not buy yet as I don't see these laptops as good value. Hopefully once next gen cards come out VR capable (Rift) laptops will be more affordable

        • bchliu on 07/06/2016 - 17:45

          @juzz0: Value is in the eye of the beholder. Apple makes and delivers iPhones to the store to sell to customers at around $200 USD inclusive of all expenses in between to make about $800 USD profit (on a $1000 iPhone). Are you going to argue about why Apple should be selling iPhones for $249 because it is "fair" in that way? No.. its about what they can get away with and is always going to be fueled by one section of the market that has craploads of money and dont care.

          To Nvidia, there are no cost differences to manufacturing the 960, 970 or the 980. It all comes out of the same printing plant. Except only the best ones (10%?) make it as being a 980, the next best 30% being 970's, another 40% being 960's with the remainder being not acceptable for any use (rubbish). This is called YIELD and they onsell this to the graphics card manufacturers.

          The Card manufacturers will vary in their costs as well ranging from the base chip they bought off NVidia to the heatsink and fans they use along with the memory chips required. They have their own packages to make etc. You have to remember too that every laptop manufacturer has a different interface to the GPU cards so there is no standard there. When these card manufacturers make a 980 for an Alienware, it will ONLY fit an Alienware and nothing else. Not ROG, Not Razer etc. Again, this is limiting supply hence again, it calls for a higher price.

  • OzSikh on 07/06/2016 - 16:56

    Does anyone know the RAM in this model. From the title I'm getting it has 8GB RAM.

    But from the detailed Specifications under Item Description, it says 16GB.

    Can someone please clarify it.

    Thank you

    • fmoh on 10/06/2016 - 11:26
      +1

      Just got this laptop and it's 16GB. Bit worried because they changed the specs to 8GB after but I kept a screenshot of it and was ready to argue with them if it comes only with 8GB.

      • OzSikh on 10/06/2016 - 12:16

        thanks for letting me know.

        It's weird, I sent them a message to their reps on Ozbargain as well as their eBay's

        They both gave me with different answers

        one said 16GB as a special promotion and the other said it's 8GB. SO i ended up not ordering one

  • bobochu on 07/06/2016 - 23:40

    How's this compare to the Acer Nitro VN7-791G-78PL? 17.3" $1449 from MSY

    CPU: Intel 4th Gen. Core i7-4720HQ 2.6GHz(Turbo 3.6GHz)
    OS: Windows 8.1 64bit
    RAM: 16GB DDR3
    HDD: 2TB SATA
    Graphic: Nvidia GTX960M Graphics 4GB Dedicated VGA
    Screen: 17.3"FHD(1920x1080) LED Screen
    Expansion: DVD Writer USB3HDMI
    Wifi 11N *Webcam,Spk,MicCard Reader *3.0kg

    http://www.msy.com.au/notebooks/15450-acer-nitro-vn7-791g-78…

    • bchliu on 08/06/2016 - 11:02

      This is a run out model. CPU is almost two generations old, DDR3 RAM and no SSD's (the 2TB SATA is pretty slow), Window 8.1 (have to upgrade it yourself). Does have a "Slightly" better graphics card with a bit more VRAM (useful for higher resolutions and textures).

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