Found this in the latest Harvey Norman catalogue. Not the cheapest it has ever been but cheaper then everywhere else at the moment. RRP $209
How much is it normally?
I still remember, sold my first gen after jailbreaked it, for $330. Bahahaha… Thanks Steve J
$188 at Officeworks too.
same price at OW for past week, not that cheap really selling for $209 at apple
It's already amazing price, remember apple control their prices. No reseller dare to drop even 50 cents without apple approval.
Guess you have to work out if it’s worth spending extra $50, friend got 4K 32gb version on weekend for $236 at jb , as you said they wouldn’t budge much
you wont believe that I got 4k 32 gb for $188 on boxing day
Yeah I got mine 2 weeks ago for $236.
Wish the 4k was on sale somewhere
Me too, I’ve been waiting a few months for a decent price.
If only that 179 sale @ binglee (then ow price beat) that happen late last year was on again.
This hn sale is decent if you still have gc from amex Domayne offer
Sometimes they pop up on the Apple refurbished site. Ive has the 4 and the 4K and personally would recommend the extra money for the 4K. Snappier performance and great resolution on 4K titles.
$179 for the refurb on apple site atm.. not worth it
Yeah I saw that, I was talking about the 4K version. None currently.
@Bargearse: 4k Refurb in stock now $239
@vk2him: Good pick up! $209 for the 32gb 4K
Wish the 4k was on sale somewhere
You may wish to consider The Voda TV - does 4K, $72, and nobody tells you which apps you are allowed to install. Not Apple, but better in some ways :-)
Even does Airplay with apps. Plays well with iPhone.
But no refresh rate switching :(
I believe there are still some apps that havent been switched/updated to android tv - off the top of my head abc iview, sbs and channel 9…?
abc and sbs work fine for me. What is this '9' you speak of?
yes, the manual referesh rate switching is annoying. I try not to notice.
Can confirm ABC iView, TenPlay and 7are now on my xiaomi box through the standard store
@macca: I'll have to try and again. I have it installed (couldn't remember if it was sideloaded or not) but it has been refusing to play videos. Is yours working fine?
Ive got a Xiaomi Box and its fine, but some apps are just given no love due to Android Tv being ignored in Australia
Beware. The only thing I use the Apple TV for is to flash up an occasional photo from the iPhone. Everything else is handled as well or better by the smart TV.
I use my Apple TV 4K for streaming videos through Plex. Works so great.
really? that seems bizarre to me…..my tv is android tv based but dedicated media players have always given better results. Cant speak for the apple tv though…
Not Bizarre. There's the Plex app on the Apple store. And the Apple TV 4K has a powerful processor.
Yeah no. Apple TV 4K is the closest to all in one box we can get. Netflix, Stan etc / all FTA apps / FTA with HDHomeRun / Kayo and more… no smart TV does that.
And no, I don't run pirate streaming apps.
MrMC app is a Kodi fork. Infuse does the job better anyways in my opinion.
@ManicD: Agreed. Much more stable, maintained by ex Kodi developers.
Infuse is sexy af but.
I would put that in second place. A couple of Australian streaming services missing. Again, would do a better job than a smart TV.
@ManicD: Apple TV no YouTube, no Google Play Movies & TV, no Kodi, no Spotify, no Amazon Music, No Google Play Music.
Shield > Apple TV.
@4agte: Apple TV has YouTube. Of course no Google products, but iTunes equivalents.
Anyways, Apple TV / Nvidia Shield >> Smart TV
@4agte: No.spotify? That's a bit surprising
Apple TV no YouTube, no Google Play Movies & TV, no Kodi
Apple TV no YouTube, no Google Play Movies & TV, no Kodi
The above post is factually incorrect. The Apple TV has Youtube, has a Kodi port (MrMC) and has Google Play Movies & TV (via the Youtube App).
Absence of Music apps is annoying, but it is possible to cast music (e.g. Spotify) from an iPhone.
BBC iplayer and the other UK channels?
The best one box solution IMO is a HTPC (I have 2 - an Intel NUC and one I built) running W10 or Linux. I also own a Shield which is another superb device.
iPlayer works great on ATV, and it's less fussy than the Shield in my experience (the Shield disables the iPlayer app on boot unless you change the bundle ID, iPlayer on ATV just works and auto-updates if you set up a free UK iTunes account). It also runs wayyyy better, which I can't actually explain - but it doesn't buffer or fail to start playing anywhere near as much as the Shield, despite using the same Smart DNS.
Kodi is awkward on ATV but it does work. You need to redeploy provisioning certs every 7 days to keep it running (or if you have an Apple dev account, once every year). I do it weekly and it takes about 5 mins.
@evanjd: Cool. That's interesting about iPlayer - I've never managed to get it to work on my Shield in Australia.
@R4: If you don't want to fuss around with changing the bundle ID yourself, this works: https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1011733/shield-tv/h...
You'll obviously still need a smart DNS or VPN to get around the geoblock.
What about Fetch? That comes very close, and includes FTA plus Pay TV and UFC
Dont you find the apple TV alot faster though? i dont know if newer TV's are quicker running apps, my sony is 3 years old now, but moving through youtube or netflix is much smoother with my apple tv…
Home hub, airplay 2, App Store, game controllers. Does your tv do those?
… except for speed and fluidity of interface. I've never seen a smart tv that was responsive in the same way an Apple TV is.
In my opinion Apple TV is the only Apple product that’s not overpriced. I’ve got the 4K model. It’s fast, stable and easy to use. Supports Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos. I do things like run BBC iPlayer (UK streaming) and Hulu (US streaming) beside the Aussie streaming services. It’s easy to adjust the DNS settings to make this happen and access to the other overseas app stores is easy to achieve and once that’s set-up it’s easy to switch back and forward. The Apple TV Kayo Sports is great too. I even think the remote is good (despite lots of negative reviews online about it). I got my 4K model for $200 using HN Amex offer. Whilst this one here is a good price I would find the extra $ for the 4K model, I believe it has a faster processor so should mean more longevity.
It's competitively priced because there is a lot of cheap alternatives - Apple are using this as a gateway to sell content (itunes etc).
Just get a Shield for the same price and enjoy your life.
Shield is nice but seriously lacks polish.
I have had a Shield for over a year and a ATV 4K and for most things the ATV is just way nicer to use.
On the Shield, the UI isn’t even proper 4K so it’s a blurry internally upscale mess. The ATV is CRISP everywhere in 4K.
I've never bothered but you should be able to set it (with a simple command) to render the default UI in 4K if you want (or any resolution), it's Android (scalable). It might have some 1080p only assets I guess, but text should be nicer at least. Have you tried it? Looking at the stock launcher GUI isn't very high on most people's desired uses. The average user will be much happier with the far broader range of content, services, features, apps, and custom home screens/launchers available for the Shield. But everybody's priorities are different I guess…
Just in case: For any new comers stumbling across this, please note we're only talking about the rendering of the GUI, any native 4K apps or content of course run perfectly in proper 4K.
I've played around with Androids resolution settings.
If I set the output resolution to 4K, almost all of the UI is blurry and upscaled. This isn't just the launcher, it's Netflix and YouTube etc. Some are fine, ie MrMC looks to actually have included 4K assets with their app.
It all actually looks better when you set the resolution to 1080p and let the TV upscale instead of the Shield itself.
Whereas the same apps (Netflix, YouTube, everything else) are actually 4K on the ATV.
Either way, since getting my ATV 2 weeks ago the only time I've turned on my Shield is to watch one of my 4k remuxes with Atmos output, but that's something I've been doing less and less thanks to the iTunes store.
The average user will use the Shield/Apple TV as a media streamer, right? They don't care about apps and custom home screens/launchers. In my opinion (owning and extensively using both), the Apple TV beats out the Shield as a media streamer.
@theguyrules: "The average user will use the Shield/Apple TV as a media streamer, right?"… That was exactly my point. Who cares about the stock GUI when the Shield grants you a vastly greater amount of content, streaming services, and media formats. Surely that is most people's priority (not the gui resolution). As I previously stated in relation to your gripes being focused on the UI, the average user will be much happier with the far broader range of content and streaming services available than they'll get with Apple. Apps, games, customisation, and other use cases are just even more bonuses. Sure, if you spend most of your time looking at the home screen, by all means get an Apple TV. But for the average user that wants maximum flexibility for accessing content and streaming services, there's no competition.
Heck, if you really want, skin your Kodi to look like Apple TV, lol.
@jenna12: I agree most people won't care about the resolution of the GUI, yep.
I disagree with some of your points, but that's fine, the important thing is that there are more than 1 option for an awesome media player for people, around the same price, with slightly different focuses.
That's a win for us.
Just so you guys know, apple does price matching up to 10% of their retail, so it may be convenient for those who have an apple store close by
Thanks. Do you know this for certain?
I heard the US stores do this as a unpublished policy and have been wondering if it applies here.
yep! i have done this myself. its not something they publicise but they do price matching up to 10%
Anyone know of a good deal on the shield with joystick?
Depending on price I'm on the fence regarding this. The game controller isn't worth it for say $50 more if you're comparing any two deals. You're better off using a free retired PS3 controller, or using a controller already in your lounge room, or buying a nifty 8Bitdo controller on sale, or if you're not into gaming then spend the extra bucks on like a Logitech K400 keyboard or something. However, if you can get the Shield with a controller for only like 20 AUD more then go for it.
As for deals, they're always popping up. For example, there was plenty of Aus stock with that recent PASSIONATE deal, which only brought them to 220 delivered, but I still recommended it to people at that price. Same with anything, if you're patience something will come up cheaper, or if you don't mind overseas stock, postage time, warranty/etc, then you can easily find them cheaper.
futu is back up to $275 (from $220 delivered AU stock) without the PASSIONATE deal, so there's cheaper options on eBay at the moment. Search previous deals to see how frequently they come up. Good luck! :)
Honestly, even at 220+ I'd still 100% recommend the Shield over the Apple TV. I've had both, guess which one is more of a pain in the arse?
Does anyone have both an Apple TV (4K) and XBox One X?
How does Apple TV’s offering compare to the Xbox?
I had been on the look out for an Apple TV 4K mainly for Dolby ATMOS but when the XBox One X was cheap a couple of weeks ago, I went with that instead cause of the 4K player.
Do you think an Apple TV would still be needed?
If you have a 4K TV and watch YouTube a lot then you are definitely doing better with the XBox since Apple TV doesn't support 4K for YouTube.
Google appears to be blaming Apple for not supporting the open source VP9 codec (See https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6094411?hl=en) but they appear to have a clause in their license that states the other party cannot sue Google for any patents. Which is most probably the reason why Apple doesn't support VP9 on Safari and Apple TV.
The Xbox One X does Dolby Vision and Atmos for Netflix at least, which is really nice.
The thing you miss out on, and whether or not it’s worth anything is up to you, is the iTunes Store. I’ve built up a big library buying cheap digital codes and their Dolby Vision + Atmos streaming is really really good.
I got the 4K from the Apple Store. In addition to all the great TV related features I found that it can act as a Home Hub as well.
My HomeAssistant set-up used to be finicky when I controlled the lights from the control centre on the phone but after I set up the Apple TV its been rock solid with stellar performance. No more shouting at Alexa/Google to turn things on and off (especially at night).
Before I set up the Apple TV as the home hub, Home Assistant would be slow to show the current status of the lights and then I would have to wait another second or two after turning on/off the lights. After the Apple TV the information on control centre is always up to date and I can turn on/off the light in less than a second.
So if you are an all Apple home, this is an extra bonus.
Another advantage with the Home Hub is that you can control the lights from anywhere in the world. Just swipe up from your phone and turn on/off the lights.
Be careful if buying discounted, and paying with, Harvey Norman gift cards, make sure they have stock (don’t trust their website) or you might be stuck with the gift cards. You won’t be able to get a refund on the gift cards if they’re out of stock on the product.
Nowhere on ozbargain will you find this advice 😉
Surely by law they have to give a refund of some sort to some payment method.
If you pay in gift cards, you’ll be refunded in gift cards. Refunds are possible for gift cards but only if they were delivered damaged or not working. Each provider will have it’s own T’s and C’s Smeghead. 😀
Slightly off main topic, but has anyone used Infuse 5 with their PLEX servers on the ATV and how have you found it for 4K? I've read that it handles 4K files much better than the Plex client and does less transcoding…. I'm interested to get thoughts on those that are using it….
I do. I’ve never used the offical Plex to compare (transcoding is the devil).
MrMC is another (cheaper) alternative that doesn’t transcode.
In the official Plex app if you select the play original quality option (which is the default any how) then there is no transcoding but a direct data transfer to the media player. The media player decodes the video and audio. It sounds like you didn't know that.
If this was a 4k version I would be all over it
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