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Stuff that… it seems all flights pre-Nov are now sold out.
Cheapest I can find is $350 return. It's a been OzBargain'd
Cheap in November cause you can’t climb the bloody thing!!
Yes, it closes 26 October
Bizarre. How do they close a rock?
a dreaming kurdaitcha man
That’s what happen to the Leyland Brothers one too.
I don't believe it's right that they are closing the rock. I do understand that there are some safery concerns like the odd tourist dieing but that's the risk they take. The other for cultural reasons I don't agree with either, it's a beauty that should be shared for everyone.
I made a post on my FB sayng it's going to kill tourism and the economy there but people still believe that's wrong. Yea sure people will still go but it's delusional to think there won't be a huge decline. Unfortunately I'll be missing out on this one and the sad thing is because we've become so politically correct in the 21st century there's no way that it will ever reopen.
Over the last 2 or 3 years less than 16% of visitors have climbed the rock. Most would still go even if they cant climb the rock despite what they say now.There will be hardly any effect on tourist numbers after next year at all and all the losses next year have already been covered by the present rush.
How solid is the 16%?
When my cousins climbed they didn't take a survey.
That's a crappy survey, each time I go there to climb in previous years it's closed for, heat, wind , period pain, you name a excuse, it closed for that reason.
Snowflake
Of course those cultural reasons don't matter to you if you're not from that culture.
What if people started climbing on top of the roof of churches, mosques and temples. And then started peeing, spitting and all the rubbish that people do on the climb up and down.
When you understand the reasons why it's important for the local people I hope you'll change your mind.
Ignorance is bliss, it appears. Very sad. Respect the people of the land - it's the very fricken least we can do!
@ThithLord: Aren't we also people of this land?
Technically I'd argue indigenous people 'own' any bit of land..most especially uluru, given they consider it a spirit..and how can any people 'own' a spirit and a spirits home. Surely the spirit owns the rock.
Mate the world doesn't belong to anyone. All the world's wonders should be for everyone to experience.
I live in Parramatta, and if all of a sudden the people of Parramatta decided that it's sacred and special to us does that make it so and anyone from the outside should not be allowed? no.
I see everyone as one people, but sure I'm the ignorant idiot right.
Comparing a church to a rock eh?
@meowbert: Okay then dont like the church analogy? Imagine if people started climbing up on the Christ the Redeemer in Brazil then.
Then people would be saying "Comparing a cross to a rock eh?"
@cute as duck: Someone or some group clearly commissioned and paid for the construction of a church or statue… you can’t appreciate the difference between that and a rock?
@parsimonious one: That too is a valid point.
There are also sacred natural sites around the world that didn't require being commissioned. Whilst in this example it is just a"rock" around the world there are rivers, groves, caves, springs etc that have sacred significance that governments prohibit people to do certain activities (and not due to conservation purposes).
The church metaphor is used to try and explain why not to climb it a lot but I honestly think if you asked people if they’d climb the Sistine chapel or whatever if a ladder and staircase was put up most people would say yes - absolutely.
@haemolysis: What if the Catholic authorities asked you not to? The issue is the chain is going to be removed, as general access, so the equivalent would be trying to scale the walls at the side of the Sistine chapel to get to the roof. If you are wandering around religious monuments do you regularly bypass the do not enter signs? I’ve been in a lot of religious places, because I love architecture and art, and I stick with the do not enter signs because it is good manners; I don’t just bypass them and wander around where I like. BTW, I have been in the Sistine Chapel and never felt compelled to snap on the crampons and climb the walls. I think if I did try the local police might have a stern word with me.
@try2bhelpful: Again, it’s hard to tell if people are intentionally ignoring the clear difference.
The Catholic Church OWNS the Sistine chapel.
If the local indigenous people OWN the rock, then of course they can decide who has access to it.
I may be mistaken, but I thought the rock in question here was owned by the commonwealth government and hence the Australian people.
Edit: interestingly, someone below posted that Uluru and surrounding land was signed over by the commonwealth gov to an indigenous group so they do in fact own it, rather than the Aus government.
https://www.environment.gov.au/system/files/resources/bf47d6…
@haemolysis: Where are you hearing this "church" business?
I think a better comparison would be "would you like to crawl over the tom of Jesus? Get inside and grab a photo"….except Jesus isn't real.
Climb it. Climb it, real good…
My nephew flys tourists and parachutes over the rock.
Business is currently booming. Biggest tourist season eva.
He reckons usually less than 40% of visitors climb the rock. At present it is around 85%.
People have brought forward their “one day” plans to visit and climb the rock before the ban.
Now that it's closed to climbers
It's not.
That's a bold claim…
It's a factual claim.
Not official, but the traditional 'owners' ask that you do not climb their sacred rock. Though not sure why else you'll want to go.
Sure, they can ask, but it's not closed.
Anyone can still climb it if they want to.
Perhaps to look at it like you would with other landmarks that aren't climbable?
@cute as duck: I'd rather look at it how it is… a rock that was there millions of years before any human. Nobody owns it.
@muncan: "I own the rocks on my property," you might like to look into that a bit more i was threatened under the mining act for removing rocks from my land.
@muncan: You don't own the land down to the centre of the Earth under your property do you. In addition, many restrictions apply to land you own, such as land clearing etc. The concept of ownership is weak for Uluru, which is a rock mostly buried under ground.
Who made it theirs?
@Lv80: Saint Bob of course.
"The Hawke Government announced in November 1983 that it would amend the Aboriginal Land Rights Act and return the title for Uluru Kata Tjuta National Park to the traditional owners. On 26 October 1985, hundreds of Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal people attended the 'Handover' when Governor-General Sir Ninian Stephen passed over the title deeds at a ceremony at the base of Uluru. Five minutes later the traditional owners signed an agreement leasing the park back to the Australian Parks and Wildlife Service for 99 years… and run under a system of 'joint management' like Kakadu National Park, with a Board of Management comprising a majority of Anangu members."
https://www.environment.gov.au/resource/20th-anniversary-han…
@Daabido: Well there you go then! lol
Thank you. Stand corrected.
Would still argue that aboriginal people can't own the home of a spirit…but I abide by Australian law and so accept the ownership of the rock to the traditional owners.
Ty!!
What is the flight tax from Perth OP?
Not bad, but it's always needed a 711 at the top for thirsty climbers
I like to think it's what Albert Namatjira would have wanted if he was still around to climb Ayers Rock…
Lol! I knew some snowflake would downvote you.
Big rock in the middle of the desert.
It’s pretty spectacular. It and kata tjutu nearby are a worthy visit.
Been to ayers rock and climbed it.
Big rock in the middle of the desert.
FWIW: Took a red-centre trip a few years back with a mixed bag of friends & their friends. Was weighing up the controversy over climbing or not, and asked some of the girls who claimed close ties to local Anangu folk what they felt the heart of the matter was. They said mainly it was two things: (1) Anangu feel a great sadness when people die climbing the rock - since they feel responsible for all who visit their land, and (2) Anangu do not permit most of their own to climb the rock since it is a sacred place to them.
Research told me most people who die do so by straying off the course for a look over the edge or to chase a hat etc, and I knew that's not me. I looked at other Anangu laws and they prohibit women from dancing with their breasts covered. They also believe a tribal revenge beating is in order for those who break their laws, regardless of action within the criminal justice system. Since I saw these same girls dancing drunk on top of a LandRover just two nights prior (shirts on, the rebels!) I decided they might have been picking which particular Anangu laws they lectured others to adhere to. I neglected the revenge beating in favour of putting some distance between me and their music choice.
I climbed Uluru. Not to conquer it, offend anyone or politicise myself. I climbed it to enjoy the magnificent view from that unique place. Then I climbed down it, walked around it and watched it from afar at sunset.
Beautiful place; highly recommended.
@MattyD: So you're saying that if you can find an example of a person not adhering 100% to the laws of the culture that they're a part of, that then gives you carte blanche to ignore all the laws of that culture?
If so I'm off to climb the Opera House because I saw someone jaywalking the other day.
@Pantagonist: Maybe, but Matty’s comment was a whole lot more entertaining than your pious judgement.
@entropysbane: Please show me where I cast judgement or did anything other than check whether MattyD's reasoning was consistent.
@Pantagonist: Nomadesque not at all, and your reasoning is non sequitur. I’m saying that, in addition to our national system of laws, we’re surrounded in a multicultural society by conflicting cultural mores, laws and customs. And it’s up to each of us to choose (a) which we’ll personally adhere to, and (b) how we’ll respond when others observe differently to ourselves.
My Muslim friends know I drink alcohol, my Hindi friends suspect I’ve put away a Big Mac. Very few people in this country hesitate to blaspheme anymore, yet ‘God’ and ‘Jesus’ are still holy sacred words to every Christian on this planet.
Walk lightly upon the earth, mate. We all need to dial back the righteous outrage.
And it’s up to each of us to choose (a) which we’ll personally adhere to, and (b) how we’ll respond when others observe differently to ourselves.
If that's the case, anyone who wishes to continue climbing it after the "ban" date is more than free to do so.
@Pantagonist: I'd have used the 12 Apostles as an example, if you want to try and climb a rock formation that's a tourist attraction.
(1) Anangu feel a great sadness when people die climbing the rock - since they feel responsible for all who visit their land, and (2) Anangu do not permit most of their own to climb the rock since it is a sacred place to them.
This is actually a new phase for the Anangu people. There are published articles from the 40's and 50's that had showed the Anangu people didn't really care if people climbed it, and actually thought that people who climbed it were stupid because there was no food up there.
I wouldn't be surprised if the whole "sadness" rubbish was influenced just a couple of decades ago by a few hippies or PC brigade.
@Pantagonist: Here is a worthy starting point
https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2018/04/banon-climbing-ayer…
@King Tightarse: Is it that difficult to understand that the Anangu are now recognised as owners of the land and have the right to make rules regarding its use? Before the mid 80s they had no say in anything that happened around the management of Uluru.
I wouldn't say that one traditional owner saying that people could climb it if they were stupid enough to do so and footage of two other Anangu men acting as tour guides for Europeans back in the 40s or 50s would signal heartfelt endorsement of people climbing it.
The grandson of the TO who made the "stupid climbers" comment is now the chair of the joint management committee for the park, and he doesn't support people climbing it. It's pretty offensive for people to claim that he has no agency and has basically been manipulated by left wing academics to adopt the position that he has (regardless of that being the wet dream of most Quadrant contributors).
To be honest, some of the crap that's gone on in recent years with people stripping and playing golf on the top hasn't exactly endeared climbers to the people who are able to make decisions about the park.
If anything I think the treatment of Uluru by some climbers has become symbolic of how some Aboriginal people feel that they are treated more broadly in Australian society. The idea of a climbing ban has existed in an official sense since the days when Uluru was handed back, so it's not really surprising that we've gotten to this stage 30 odd years later.
@LikeMike: Nope…marketing. Make something significant even if it is just a rock…and you can suddenly make a lot of money from it!!
@onetwothree
Been to planet Earth and done it.
Small planet mainly populated by ape-descended life forms.
@[Deactivated]: Is there more than one planet Earth? The Earth I live on has a far higher population of insects than "ape-decended life forms".
@[Deactivated]: Absolutely and I would recommend Terry Pratchett as well. His books are highly entertaining and thought provoking.
@try2bhelpful: Yes agree, however it's a shame their literary works never translated well to the big screen
@[Deactivated]: Thanks. I figured it was pop-culture related but didn't know what from despite having read it. If I had to guess I would have said Star Trek…
I haven't read any Pratchett though
Sheesh, cheapest accommodation I could find on TripAdvisor was $1000 per night in November.
Just bring a tent. There aren't any dingoes around there.
I can confirm you can stay in ayer rock resort for like 20$ in a tent with full access!
I'd say dingoes are the least of your worries around there
https://www.ayersrockresort.com.au/accommodation/specials/di…
There is this but I’m not sure how it works.
Already booked for Sept. Planning to climb.
Thank you for rewording the post re the name.
Me too. I would also like to say thank you.
Me too. Thank you for pandering.
You will spend more for accomodation than the ticket! Be careful!
Bali is cheaper
Yes, but then you have to deal with bogans
Be careful what you climb there, too.
Worth checking availability of even the tent sites as there are record numbers there at the moment.
The IGA there is really good given the remote location, not that there is any choice, but highly recommend.
And for the record I think either or both Uluru/Ayers rock are the correct official names, and the resort which is owned by the Indigenous Land Corporation is still called Ayers rock resort.
Happy travelling and climbing if you choose to do so.
Lol if IGA overtook uluru as #1 attraction on tripadvisor
For people upset over 'Ayers Rock Airport (AYQ)', codes seldom get changed. Beijing's main airport still has 'PEK' as the code and no one is running around incredibly upset.
Hi chi Minh city still has SGN (saigon) too
Precious SJW's freaking out over a name :-o
Where?
Shijiazhuang, apparently.
What sort of activities do you do when you go there?
avoid getting dust over your belongings is prolly one
I believe a giant rock has the spirit of something in it.
I also believe in god, santa claus, the tooth fairy, easter bunny, fairies, dragons…and of course…unicorns.
It's a rock. Can't remember the last time I paid $200 to go climb a rock…but if that's what you need…best get there quick before you can't climb it.
Good luck with finding cheap accommodation.