MSI GEFORCE RTX 2080 SUPER GAMING X TRIO
GPU Model NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER
Stream Processors 3072 CUDA Cores
Boost Clock Speed 1845 MHz
Interface PCI Express 3.0 x16
Supported APIs DirectX: 12
OpenGL: 4.5
Also good price on the Gigabyte NVIDIA RTX 2070 SUPER GeForce AORUS 8GB Gaming Graphics Video Card $647 OUT OF STOCK
The latest rumours reckon March, so that's even sooner. Hopefully that rumour and the supposed performance boost is true. As the other rumour is AMD might have something to beat the 2080ti.
I am afraid it might be far too late to the party, and if Nvidia fast track the RTX 3000 release for March that will be a huge problem for AMD. There is no news as to when AMD's next card will be released yet. And unless it can compete with the RTX 3000, it will be just as useless as the last two releases. There is little point in releasing a product that only matches your competitor's previous generation.
Agreed, and as it is only rumours we can neither say it is here nor there. Only that supposed benchmarks show 17% more effective speed but doesn't actually confirm the card, nor how it was tested. Still interesting though.
@ShinK0: True, its all speculation at this stage so who knows what will happen.
17% is unlikely to be anywhere near enough if the rumors that the RTX 3000 series will be 50% faster than the RTX 2000 are true as well.
If both are true and Nvidia continue to command such a huge lead, then I have this worrying feeling that Nvidia might make the 3000 series even more expensive.
@FuRyZ: Not so sure about the huge lead currently as AMD's current gen are decent, with much better value and on 7nm. However, you are right, I'm almost certain the 3000 series should rectify these short comings that have allowed AMD to catch up. AMD have also shat on Intel in the CPU market currently as well.
@FuRyZ: Generally each generation of Nvidia cards has been about a 50% higher FPS on newer games (I doubt there would be much difference on a game from 2002). 50% boost is always something to look for, especially when power equirements are about the same. In comparison, each new iteration of Intel CPUs are only about 6% faster per core at the same clock speed.
I've decided to wait for the next Nvidia generation, though if a $500 AUD RTX 2070 SUPER deal shows up, I will be tempted.
There is little point in releasing a product that only matches your competitor's previous generation.
Unless it's less expensive?
@Zachary: I guess I should have slightly rephrased what I meant. It does not help from a competition standpoint. It wont help us as the consumers by lowering the average prices of flagship GPUs.
I was not that long ago that the top end gaming GPUs (GTX 980ti/R9 Fury X) retailed at AU$1000 on release, not $1500-$2000. Sure, Nvidia would release a $2000 limited edition Titan halo card which has nothing more than a rebadged enterprise Quadro for that kind of money but no one really bought them. Those prices were not the norm, and now they are.
AMD are going to need a miracle to disrupt the GPU market like they did for the CPU market. Intel got complacent with their position which allowed AMD to catch up. Nvidia on the other hand are not conceding an inch.
@FuRyZ: Some could say it's inflation….I heard that top end cards used to be $500 to $600 back around the FX 5000 series…although I wasn't around when it happened.
Sure, Nvidia would release a $2000 limited edition Titan halo card which has nothing more than a rebadged enterprise Quadro for that kind of money but no one really bought them.
What about those who bench for points or bragging rights? Heh. Some would get these cards just to do SLi and get the most fps out of the games they play too… And if you can overclock these Titan cards, even better! Anyways, Titan cards are now like $4000 here….hahahaa… As much as a used second hand car!
AMD are going to need a miracle to disrupt the GPU market like they did for the CPU market. Intel got complacent with their position which allowed AMD to catch up. Nvidia on the other hand are not conceding an inch.
I heard Intel might get into the GPU business and start making their own graphics cards to compete with Nvidia and AMD….I wonder how that would turn out…?
As for the CPUs, well Intel still rules with single threaded performance, but AMD beats it in multi threaded if any games or apps utilities such a feature.
Does anyone else think GPUs, regardless of performance are ridiculously priced?
The reason you think this …
Specifically this model at this price is rather great for the performance.
… is because you heard the card is …
the usual retail of $1200.
It's easy to talk nonsense on forums, but:
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/47103/msi-geforce-rtx-20…
https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA/78…
https://www.harveynorman.com.au/msi-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-…
https://www.umart.com.au/MSI-GeForce-RTX-2080-Super-Gaming-X…
https://www.ple.com.au/Products/636919/MSI-GeForce-RTX2080-S…
https://www.msy.com.au/msi-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-super-gam…
@Scythic: Because it's popular to neg already negged comments.
Also you could make a similar remark about iphones and people would neg you because you hurt their feelings. Forget about logic.
@Blitzfx: Ikr. The price trends are very similar to the GTX 1080 2 years ago and the RTX 2080 last year when newer gen being released/rumoured. I don't see the ridiculousness. Maybe some people still think inflation isn't real like Climate Change.
What do you mean 1200 is too much? "You want the tech you pay the price"
Internally inconsistent comment is internally inconsistent.
GPU prices have gone up over the years due to crypto, and never really did come down after that. Prices have 'stabilised' meaning they are still expensive but not rising in price in such a short time anymore.
my problem isnt with the stuff at the top end but the nvidia x70 cards. i bought a gtx 570 in 2011 for 349 and a gtx 970 in 2014 for 449. adjusted for inflation and our lower exchange rate i came out with roughly $530 and $590 respectively in todays money. the 2070's cost nowhere near that brand new and still not close after 15 months, save for the odd sale. to me the price of gpus is increasing way faster than performance is per generation.
Yes, there's zero competition at the top.
As well as what xuqi said, cards like this are the top of the range ones, there are much cheaper cards available that are capable enough.
absolutely, it seems to be a result of there being no proper competition in the higher end of the market. AMD has the RX 5700 which is good, but it doesn't have something that can compete with the 2080 series, so Nvidia are pricing them for whatever the market will pay.
GPU prices spun out of control during the Bitcoin mining boom (and other crypto beyond Bitcoin), because GPUs were the best engines for the calculations needed by crypto miners. They've come back down a lot, but the standard was set: GPUs are now very expensive things.
has anyone found any articles which detail the actual manufacturing cost of these GPUs? I mean the markup on them is mostly gonna pay for R&D, but I wonder what the unit cost is for say, a RTX 2080 SUPER
The PCB components themselves are very cheap. I would estimate all up, probably $100-$300 depending how many people are ordering. Talking about hundreds of thousands to million+
Most expensive would be the memory and the processor. Followed by R&D and licensing.
Unlike cars, there aren't 27 other manufacturers who can provide virtually the same product :(
Intel is trying but they'd price gouge worse than Nvidia.
100% agreed. And it has a lot to do with the lack of competition from AMD. The GTX 1000 series on release had fairly normal pricing when compared to previous generations RRP on release. The AMD Vega was late to the game and offered little competition.
Historically, a new series of cards would be released directly replacing the old series of cards at the exact same RRP price points. Except that did not happen this time.
The GTX 1000 series continued to be sold with little reduction in price while the RTX 2000 was released at even higher price points. Something that had never happened before historically. The AMD RX Vega cards came along continuing the trend of late release and poor performance from AMD.
Nvidia had no reason to reduce the RTX 2000 series pricing, and while sale numbers were not amazing, the market soaked up the ridiculous pricing and Nvidia continued to print money.
Nvidia also love to keep an Ace up their sleeve for when AMD release a new card. When the AMD Radeon VII came out, Nvidia immediately answered with the RTX 2000 Super series. Always keeping the advantage in performance thereby justifying their extreme pricing.
Its going to take a mammoth release from AMD to disrupt this new status quo in the GPU market. But sadly I doubt this will happen.
Does anyone else think GPUs, regardless of performance are ridiculously priced?
No, GPU performance improves quite dramatically with every generation. On top of that, I think you're probably focusing too much on the high end.
Have a look at GPUs around the $300 mark. The 1660 Super is available for $300-ish now on FTC eBay and is a really good card. You can play basically any game at 1080p with that card. You might have to play at High instead of Ultra, but you won't really notice the difference.
You can easily build a really good gaming PC for <$1000 that can play all the latest titles.
I was actually going to post a reply to xuqi about the high end GPU market having a ridiculous growth in markup - however after doing some research, I've realised that's not really the case.
In reality, the highest end flagship from nvidia (not inc. Titans/Founders) has been $6xx since 2012, with increase here due to weak AUD.
https://www.kotaku.com.au/2016/06/six-generations-of-nvidia-…
It's only been with the 2000 generation that nvidia hiked the price initially, which was brought back down with the Super series - 2080 and 2080 Super both launched at $699, same as the previous gen flagships 1080 Ti and 980 Ti. 2080 Ti is obviously a big outlier at $999 but that's almost been relegated to "Titan" series status these days, and there's always been a Titan-equivalent that no one actually buys.
IMO the biggest difference is mostly in the 'bang for buck' range, i.e. xx70 series from nvidia and AMDs flagships. Even only recently, the mid-range was much more affordable on launch with GTX1060 ($249), RX580 ($229) and RX480 ($200). Compared to RX 5700 ($349), RX 5700XT ($399) and 2060 Super ($399) (all USD).
Though again, this is a perception issue - people expect an nvidia "xx70" series to have a consistent price/performance ratio, but nvidia has moved it upmarket with the xx60 series filling the gap (i.e. the 670/970 of yesteryear is now 1060/1660/2060S).
But I think the biggest change is peoples requirements and expectations - a lot of people with 'affordable' builds now have 144fps or 1440p monitors, where as only 3 years ago the same people were happy with 1080p60, and now they find the same GPU tier can't keep up. That, and an increased emphasis on graphics due to consoles finally reducing the gap in the power department meaning people aren't as happy with reducing graphics settings as before. There are still several very affordable, <$300 GPUs on the market that can do 1080p60 with no issues but I would say the majority aren't satisfied with that anymore.
Though again, this is a perception issue - people expect an nvidia "xx70" series to have a consistent price/performance ratio, but nvidia has moved it upmarket with the xx60 series filling the gap (i.e. the 670/970 of yesteryear is now 1060/1660/2060S).
I agree with this. In general, yes, GPUs have had some price creep upwards, but I think there's a reason for that.
GPU tech leaps have largely outpaced the requirements of games. This is primarily because most people still game at 1080p and adoption of 4K has not really been as swift as we had thought. As a result, the requirements for an "acceptable" gaming system have gone down over time. For example, just a few generations ago, a 70 series card would be considered a good "high performance but still good value" card - i.e. a 670/770/970. However, in the latest generations, the 60 series card has become that new dog. The 1060 6GB was actually really good (far better than a 970), and the 1660S is also better than a 1070, with a 2060S being far better than a 1080.
Therefore, unlike a drop of around one generation (i.e. a newer 70 series card being ~same as a previous 80 series card - e.g. 770 is similar to 680; 970 similar to 780…etc.), we now have a case where the 60 series card rivals the previous 80 series card.
I remember when I was about 15 and I did some work experience in a PC shop and watched someone buy the top of the range 8800 Nvidia GPU. I thought they were crazy. I think it was about $800; can't remember exactly… The top end of the GPU market has always been ridiculusly priced… but yes I would agree that since the crypto craze and the 20x0 series they have one-up'd it to new heights.
But I also recognise that customer expectations have definitely increased… everyone used to be happy to get 60FPS, 1080P, highest settings… now people want to play the newest games at the highest settings; but at much higher resolutions and FPS.
Yes, the RTX cards are egregiously overpriced and represent poor value.
The GTX 1650 super and GTX 1660 super do however represent quite respectable price/performance, especially when compared with the 1060/1070 cards from the previous generation.
TVs are getting both better and cheaper, but Nvidia cards have been going up with each generation. $500 AUD will no longer be enough to acquire a mid range GPU. Intel and Nvidia respectively have near monopoly positions.
Any good 2060 Super deals?
2070 Super for $647 was the one I went for.
still available?
I listed it in the OP. Click on the Price $647.
is not super?
I don't know why you were begged, you are correct. This isn't a Super model.
EVGA recently launched a RTX 2060 KO for US $280, which is a similar MSRP to the 1660 TI, but it's not currently available in Australia. When they are, and with a coupon, they could be as low as around $350 AUS.
I picked up both at the same time and was able to save an additional $17
baller
i bought one,but after reading their feedback looks like its going to take a while for delivery :(
Mine arrived five days after delivery ETA. They often mark as sent a day after your order but the order will only leave their warehouse the week after.
Their reasoning was due to “Sendle” and how they’ve just started utilising them for their delivery services.
My Gigabyte 2070 Super from the last deal arrived 4 business days after payment. They replied to emails within the day.
They also have a RTX 2060 for $460.84 posted, making a good step up for those looking at grabbing a GTX 1660 TI: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MSI-GEFORCE-RTX-2080-SUPER-GAMIN…
Wrong link. RTX 2060 is only 10-15% better than the 1660 super, so not really worth it as the 1660 super is only $298. So you're paying 50% more for a 10-15% performance increase.
Better off waiting for the EVGA RTX 2060 KO to reach Australia. That might match the price/performance of the 1660 super.
so is this buyer safe to buy from ?
Im pretty sure I have brought 2 things from them and it was all fine.
Safe to buy for sure, but sometimes longer shipping than stated.
There is a forum post about this seller. You'll get your items. But their delivery times can be up to 3 weeks.
Making extra mortgage repayments or building a new gaming rig …. =_=
definitely buy it until you pay off your mortgagae, god knows when
Does anyone know if FTC are are an eligible reseller for the purposes of the gigabyte 5700XT promotion to get a free 512GB SSD? I’m eyeing off FTCs 5700XTs.
I asked AORUS Gigabyte support previously this and this is what they said - "as long as the reseller is AU/NZ based its eligble for promotion… need to provide the invoice".
Thank you.
Thanks purchased 2070 Super to compliment my AORUS X570 motherboard and AORUS Gen4 SSD.
95.9% Positive feedback from ftc computer. :S
https://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&…
That's a lot of negative feedback.
That thread just further highlights why I want nothing to do with this seller wow.
Allegedly selling used miner cards as brand new?
It looks like the issues continue long after black Friday on OzBargain.
Where's the miner card comment?
Also apparently most of their negative reviews are delivery related. Which is due to:
I finally got on to them. To tell you the truth it sounds like 80% of the problem has been with Sendle. eBay told FTC to hire Sendle over black Friday sales. They apparently have been a huge disaster and are filing a complaint with eBay . Hopefully getting redelivered tomorrow . Fingers crossed!
I don't really care about delivery times if it's slightly late, but selling a second hand GPU labelled as brand new is concerning.
the delivery time didnt bother me, but the fact that the box of my $1600 2080Ti was just wrapped in black plastic and the products box was damaged from clearly being dropped was unforgivable. even the $30 mouse pad i got on amazon came with way better packaging than that. The absolute worse thing tho was that the courier was instructed to leave the thing without a signature. On an item worth that much? what a joke. I know ppl are going to continue purchasing from this company due to the prices, but you get what you pay for, and ill never make the same mistake again. Stick to companies like Computer Alliance, Scorptec, PC Case Gear, PLE, or god, even MSY. Theres a reason these companies have a far better reputation than this bunch of clowns.
Is this faster than the Gigabyte Windforce OC version they were selling previously, with or without manual overclocks?
It's a better product with more Ports and will resell higher when you need to sell it . Shame I got that windforce but the SSD was worth it, and I'm gonna resell the card when the RTx 21 or 30 series comes out . Also I would of missed this deal anyway lol
Awesome deal on the 2080S, high end model deals (not Ventus/Windforce) are rare, and this is reviewed as one of the quietest GPUs on the market. Was waiting to get a 2070S for a while but couldn’t resist this opportunity!
Would love to know how these guys are undercutting the competition by so much.
Their feedback and customer service seems shitty - but the items all seem to get delivered.
But nuts, they must be doing this to become relevant online with the community must almost be selling at cost and using the Ebay promo to pump it
I wouldn't say all the items get delivered, in the past month 4.8% outright not sent or stock damaged / order cancelled.
It is incredibly cheap, and it's probably worth dealing with FTC for a huge saving, but expect to run into problems, either now or in a years time when you need to RMA and you have to deal with their support.
No idea but they're a legit store in Brisbane. Used to live nearby. Never purchased anything from them though.
Sad the top end of the market is so overpriced compared to years ago. 2070 only 34% better than 1660s despite being over double price.
Hardware unboxed covered the terrible stagnant value consumers are getting. We need AMD for gpus!
And agree this should be the RRP price on release for this Tier card. And leave the Ti at the 1100 mark
I'm sure someone's going to abuse me for sharing it given the track record here but perhaps this will help someone decide:
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/9080/msi-geforce-rtx-2080-…
Really does look like a good card. A good 10+ degrees cooler than the 2080 Super on the system I bought for my kids last year, so the fans aren't just for show.
Can't justify it for me when my 1080 is doing the job.
Honestly, I'd save the $250 and get the 2070super over the 2080 super, you are literally looking at a 10fps difference between the two cards.
Dont talk fps very subjective its typically 15-20% more powerful.
—- eleaborate sorry
4k Gaming 40fps vs. 50fps is noticeable
1440p 90fps vs 120fps etc..
Just a point easier to talk %
Assuming you're replying to healthylungs?
Which benchmarks are you looking at?
Computerbase says the 2080s is 13% faster than the 2070s. https://www.computerbase.de/thema/grafikkarte/rangliste/#dia…
Pretty substantial price premium for the performance gain but yeah, it also annoys me when someone says x is 10 fps better than y. Lol
I've just trawled some Youtube comparisons between them on the latest drivers, but yeah I'm not defending the price difference but just confirming it is definitely more than "10 fps" better as 10-15% performance if thats what you saw is still noticeable when gaming at 4k and 1440P.
Prices suck - i got the 2080S for $1140 October last year - fortunately i made some cash flipping a 1070ti and 1080ti during the crypto boom to justify the purchase…
still waiting to see what this year will bring - I'm addicted to PC upgrades now, I think i need to see a doc.
Damn do I pull the trigger and go from a 1070 to a 2070… Decisions, decisions. Been thinking about it for such a long time now but with the recent NVIDIA 3000* is maybe out march do I wait. Then it always becomes a constant wait till the next bigger and better thing.
Been gaming on 1440 for a while now and 1070 is a tad dated on max settings
I'm in the same position and I'm waiting.
Thank you, got the 1660 super. Now gotta play the waiting game..
is the 2080 Super good enough to drive 4K? What kind of frame rates would you expect at 4k and 1440p? I have a 144hz 1440p monitor and 60 hz 4K monitor. I want to make sure the card can handle the workload I'm giving it.
FTC also selling a 1660 Super for $299 which is a good price if you're after a more modest GPU. Great for 1080p 144hz or 1440p 60hz (144hz in less demanding games).
Edit: Sorry wasn't meant to reply to you. But yes 2080 Super is great for 1440p 144hz and 4k 60hz. It's literally designed for those kinds of resolutions and refresh rates.
2080 Super is fine for those resolutions and frame rate targets.
I got the gigabyte 2070 super gaming OC, not the Aorus as it probably wouldn’t fit the Core X Chroma ( also a good price for the Core X). With the 10% for eBay plus getting the 2070s over a 5700xt was a no brainer.
GTX1080 still easily smashing the games I play, happy to reconsider when the 3000's drop.
Supposed to be more powerful and (somehow) cheaper. Popcorn ready…
im happi with my 1060
still can play 99% of games with decent FPS under 1080p
This is way too much for me
Can anyone recommend me an entry level or midrange card to play Diablo 3?
RX 570. Can be had for under $200 and will play Diablo 3 at 100+ FPS.
Bought the 2080 Super as this card usually goes for $1200 - $1300 and I'm building a new PC soon. As for graphics card prices its doubled in the last ten years to get decent card. I used to a get a good relatively high end card such as the 970GTX back in the day for $550. After the bitcoin price rises and nivida's performance increases with the 10x range now its still $800+ even though the bitcoin demand is gone and there's plenty of cards around.
I used to a get a good relatively high end card such as the 970GTX back in the day for $550.
You're really comparing apples with oranges. With inflation $550 is worth $670 in today's money.
A GTX 1650 super can be bought for around $300, or $240 with a 20% off coupon, and is around 10% faster than a GTX 970.
RTX cards are a meme and definitely overpriced, but even they utterly destroy a GTX 970 from a value proposition.
A GTX 1650 super can be bought for around $300, or $240 with a 20% off coupon, and is around 10% faster than a GTX 970.
That's not really fair. An x50 and x70 are different classes of card. Even though the newer x50 is more powerful than an old x70, they shouldn't be priced anywhere close to what you bought the x70 for.
A Corolla will have cost $23k 10 years ago, 5 years ago, today, and 5 years from now, and 10 years from now. Price is the same, but the equipment and tech inside is always improving year on year without a price rise. So you're not paying more as time goes on, but you're getting more for the same price.
The same used to be true of GPUs. RRP didn't go up or down but the clock speed and RAM did go up. You were getting more for your money. This ended the last few cycles. We've had permanent price increases.
RTX cards are a meme and definitely overpriced, but even they utterly destroy a GTX 970 from a value proposition.
They're supposed to. They are 2 gens newer. Price normally doesn't go up, value does. Although this is changing now with not just GPUs but smartphones also.
GTX 10 series is.. 2016? 2015? You're not meant to compare value across generations. Every car being sold today would shit all over their 10-20 year old counterparts in value. If they were supposed to be equivalent value for the same price, cars would be super expensive today. The reverse camera that is standard in the base model now but wasn't standard 10 years ago would need to cost extra. Once upon a time electric windows and power steering were not standard features either. Then price creep every year would make cars unaffordable by all but the wealthy.
but the equipment and tech inside is always improving year on year without a price rise
Because functionally a Corolla from 10 years ago performs more or less the same as a brand new one. Graphics cards aren't.
You were getting more for your money. This ended the last few cycles. We've had permanent price increases.
Because there was lots of room for manufacturers to make big increases between generations, but cards are getting quite difficult to make better as Moore's law expires.
GTX 10 series is.. 2016? 2015? You're not meant to compare value across generations.
The GTX series was abnormally good value because of rumours from AMD that scared Nvidia.
The reverse camera that is standard in the base model now but wasn't standard 10 years ago would need to cost extra.
Once again, cars aren't graphics cards. Having a few extra gadgets thrown in isn't the same thing as increases in raw performance.
Anyway, the GTX 1650/1660 super are quite reasonably priced because Nvidia have a lot of competition at that price point. The RTX cards, especially the 2080/2080-ti are way overpriced because AMD can't compete at that level. When AMD make some high end cards and Nvidia gets more competition we'll see prices become more reasonable. Right now though, Nvidia are practically competing against themselves.
Because functionally a Corolla from 10 years ago performs more or less the same as a brand new one. Graphics cards aren't.
A graphics card's function is to let you play games, whether it was 10 years ago or today.
A car's function is to get you places. Newer cars let you do newer things, such as park by itself, or even drive by itself. They are more safe, and more convenient, more efficient. To say they perform more or less the same is to undersell them. Cars from 10 or 20 years ago were gas guzzlers and expensive to run.
Because there was lots of room for manufacturers to make big increases between generations, but cards are getting quite difficult to make better as Moore's law expires.
So they don't have to deliver as much and it's just free profits now?
If graphics cards are going to continue going up in price every gen, at some point they will cost $5000 and eventually $10,000. It Moore's law has reached a limit that is stopping any real advancement (though not stopping price rises), that isn't going to change any time soon. Which means even more price rises not in line with performance rises?
The GTX series was abnormally good value(youtube.com) because of rumours from AMD that scared Nvidia.
That's strange, because that came at a time when AMD was extremely uncompetitive. nvidia were spooked over nothing. They skipped an entire generation when they had something prepared and ready to go, and when they saw AMD had no answer even to the previous gen offering, they held it back for a year to sell the following year. We actually lost a year of progress from nvidia because AMD couldn't keep up.
Once again, cars aren't graphics cards. Having a few extra gadgets thrown in isn't the same thing as increases in raw performance.
You get increases in performance with cars too. And those gadgets are not cheap things you are getting for free. Many of them cost more than an RTX GPU itself. A GPS used to be an upgrade sold for a few thousand extra. Now it's a standard feature. What are optional extras today will become standard features tomorrow, with new innovations being sold as optional features.
This is the model everything worked under. Prices don't go up, but value for money does. Whether that value comes in the form of increased horsepower, or new features, it equates to paying the same price but getting more for your money.
Anyway, the GTX 1650/1660 super are quite reasonably priced because Nvidia have a lot of competition at that price point.
They'd be super good performers a gen or two back also. Now they're priced at what they're worth. You aren't going to play games at ultra settings and 60+ fps with them.
The RTX cards, especially the 2080/2080-ti are way overpriced because AMD can't compete at that level.
I know. Because they don't have competition, nvidia gets to rake in huge profits. If AMD had something at this level, nvidia would be forced to cut prices and make smaller margins. It's hard to blame nvidia for being good at economics, but it sucks for the consumer. If AMD could compete, we'd get the same deal we had in past generations: prices remain about level but performance goes up.
This basically contradicts your Moore's law argument. If AMD had something competitive, nvidia's cards would not cost this much, in spite of Moore's law.
The reason the Super cards were introduced for the same price as the cards they replaced is because of AMD's 5700 XTs. Something we used to expect from nv.
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Thats a really good price for the Super. Though I must resist. The 3000 series is rumored to be coming out in the next 6 months. I think we can expect some really good deals on the 2000 series very soon, as retailers look to flush stock.