Hi guys, first post here, just saw this on JB website for those interested.
Panasonic TH-65GZ1000U 65in 4k OLED TV $2495 + Delivery (Limited in-Store Stock for C&C) @ JB Hi-Fi
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LMichaelcz82 on 11/02/2020 - 20:13 jbhifi.com.au (5736 clicks)
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wow ridicules price on 65, must be because Panasonic is leaving Australia.
what?! Why are they leaving?
Not completely but no longer selling TVs in Australia, assume its not profitable for them.
what?! Why are they leaving?
Because we've become a borderline, third-world hell hole and first-world countries with big manufacturing industries have better things to do than to sell to a marginal market of extremely scarce returns, with an incredibly business-hostile environment.
It's the same reason German supermarket chain Kaufland just pulled out of a planned expansion into Australia after investing more than $500 million into planned operations here and breaking ground on 30 new locations.
Infiniti, Opel, Esprit, Shiseido, Avon, Topshop, GAP, et al; these are the commercial canaries in the retail coal mine. Even Sony has admitted it doesn't really see Australia as a valuable market any more.
The bigger surprise is that large multinationals still bother trying to do business here; to say nothing of the fact that wages haven't grown in decades and even our native bricks-and-mortar giants are having to close stores and lay off staff just to stay afloat.
Third world? Try comparing minimum wage in America versus Australia.
@BluebirdV: Try comparing cost of living for those on low end retail and similar jobs living in major cities.
We are pretty third world these days.@91rs: Maybe dont try living in a major city on minimum wage? I live 50km from brisbane and rent is very reasonable. Even if you were living by myself, working full time (38hrs) a week you could living reasonably comfortably.
THe US' national minimum wage is $7.25 ($10.75AUD), you would need to work 68hrs a week to earn 500USD (740AUD=500USD. If Austrlaia is "third world", the US is literaly hell in comparision. Thats ignoring things like healthcare, you'll go into debt if you get a major injury in the US and are working minimum wage. You are seriosuly taking living in Australia for granted if you actually think that.
You may think not many people in the US have to work 60hrs+ a week just to survive, but you'd be suprised at how many people actually have to.
Borderline 3rd world? Over exaggeration much?
3rd world no… but we are a tiny market full of complexities. Even things like consumer warranty, which is far in excess of most countries, must be a nightmare to support. Once you add in various AU standards which have to be complied with the costs of supporting this tiny market, a population that’s not much bigger than some cities elsewhere in the world, you can understand why companies give up.
For these companies AU market is peanuts. With all the compliance’s & consumer laws, it is much more profitable to focus on other side if the world.
Borderline, third world …. from someone who's likely never been to a developing nation, let along a "Third world" hell hole. Ignoring the fact that Australia consistently places top 5 in the world in living standards.
If you think Australia is a "Borderline third world hell hole" you clearly need to visit a third world country to give yourself a reality check, so many people living in third world countries dont even have clean drinking water. People like you are what the first world problems meme was making fun of.
Oh crap. So when my lovely Pana plasma eventually dies what am I going to replace it with?
Whatever is the current day LG OLED C-series…for me anyways.
But will be holding out for as long as possible.Yep looks like. I avoided LCD's because to me they look crap but even with OLED some people are still comparing Plasmas more favourably.
@EightImmortals: With plasmas dead in the ground, there really isnt much to compare with except OLEDs.
I'd gladly take a Pana VT plasma over any tv today.
I think JB has done it again
ah mccain you've done it again
Nevermind. Just read that they're shutting up shop. Boo-urns.
Micro led will take years to replace oled. Panasonic pulled out due to poor sales. LG sales are booming an they see investing more into oled to make the most of the run.
TCL have already released the Mini LED 8 series in the US and its arriving in Australia soon, Vizio are on the way also. It definitely won't take "years", Samsung and LG have started working on the panels already. Clearly shows LG sales are slowing down on TVs due to competition
https://www.zdnet.com/article/fear-and-trembling-lg-display-…@koalafied: Just FYI, mini led is not comparable to micro led nor oled. Mini isn't as good as oled, and can't even create actual blacks.
Keep in mind this is generation 1 products, that will not only be expensive, but have issues.
The only micro led set available is from Sony
"Sony made their own mark with MicroLED, with its first consumer-targeted super-screen, which it launched at CEDIA: a 16 x 9 feet, 4K resolution screen, which we were told would cost $877,000 to install.
Mini isn't as good as oled, and can't even create actual blacks.
If the back light is off, that area is black. The effect is rubbish with 15 zones, but with 900 like in the TCL 8-Series, the effect with most video should be very close to OLED.
See the Digital Trends video review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMsda5ZEyTI
Apple's XDR monitor has a similar amount of zones, and while haloing can be videoed in a dark room, the visible effect those same reviewers reported was that this is almost non visible to their eyes without a camera.
@This Guy: Yea it will be close, but not close to OLED or micro led. The reason you pick an OLED is because you are picky. If you aren't picky then Mini LED will be absolutely fine.
Yea it will be close, but not close to OLED or micro led.
I said a 900 zone MiniLED blacks are close to OLED. You said "Yea it will be close."
Then you said (about MiniLED) "but not close to OLED or micro led."
Which one is it?
Do you know how MicroLED works?
You have a sheet of LED's covered with a black sheet with pin holes over the LED's to let light out and make an image. This black sheet means if you get to close you are basically looking at a very even star panel. If you don't have the black sheet, when the LED's are off the picture will be shinny grey as LED's have metallic parts and are three dimensional.The screen on the right is MicroLED's without a black mask. Only the center (about half) of each LED is light from that LED, the rest is reflections.
To sell current MicroLED's JB would have to rope off them off because no one in their right mind would by a $100k star panel.
@This Guy: It's close, but it still will have all the issues related to backlighting. Out of just over 8 million pixels on a 4k TV, only 900 individually controlled backlights. That's a backlight for every 9,216 pixels.
That's why MicroLED's are more expensive right? More complex manufacturing compared to regular LCD. If someone can make an LCD that is bascially the same as OLED, then I would be all over it. From the comparisons I have seen of MiniLED, you will still get light bleed on the most basic of things like letterbox movies. There is no way I would pay good money for that. Many reviewers are saying that MiniLED is a little better at handling backlighting compared to QDOT. So that's where it sits in my books.
@onlinepred: OK. I get you.
Localised dimming is different to MiniLED, but related.
Most localised dimming sucks today. There are too few zones. MiniLED can fix that by providing more zones. 900 this year, more next. At 900 zones, a moderatly sized screen should have blacks very similar to OLED
However, some current localised dimming solutions are being called MiniLED as MiniLED is a marketing term, not a scientific term. They really shouldn't be, because most of the industry is using MiniLED to describe high levels of local dimming like the TCL 8 Series linked of Apples XDR monitor.
@This Guy: Yea as long as local dimming is under 80,000 zones, then it's a no go for me. Even at that amount it is sill no where near OLED accuracy and I would only pick it up if it was significantly cheaper.
@koalafied: Mini LED is a completely different thing and NOT a step towards micro LED. Its just a fancier type of the old LCD - with a backlight with many more dimming zones. Its still a cheaper transmissive LCD based alternative - not a competitor to OLED.
@koalafied: If OLED is dying, why did a bunch of new companies like Vizio announce new sets at CES last month?
@koalafied: Generally, Yes. For specific applications until the tech matures and the cost in scale drops down, Mini-LED can probably catch up on the 65"+ side until the second/third-gen of MiniLED improves the domestic / sub 65" display/TV's. I think it won't be practical until they mature the cost/performance/scale.
Pricing will determine how Mini LED hits the market, just as OLED determines the marketplace, versus QLED/QDot and FALD to get HDR to work at scale.
With some QDot panels under $1000, once MiniLED hits that price, people might even look for it.
However, in the same range of price, there's UST Laser projectors coming out for the 65"+ scale budgets that are in the same budget and scale range as DLP/LCoS 4k Projectors, an example would be LG's CineBeam, in the HU85LA and HU80LA series which has the same OS as the LG TV's, including tuners, etc.
If they can improve projectors, that might be a technology that fills in the gap before MiniLED becomes viable, a return to rear-projection. or integrating atmos speaker-bars into ultra-short-throw projectors, sic.
It's not clear how this will improve things, but who knows.
micro led wont be able to compete with oled for a very long time. last i checked production cost is 10x. u can just buy oled again and again after burn in, and still come out cheaper than 1 microled.
mini led cant compete with oled quality wise.
Maybe stay away from the articles.
Lol. Taking over the market without a single model on the (consumer TV) market?
Don’t get me wrong, it’s the future, but there a lot of challenges to overcome, which is why it’s exclusively in video walls and the like so far.
It has taken a lot of work to shrink microLED densities down to delivering 4K resolutions at 75” rather than well over 140”, and it’s going to take a lot more to get it cost effective and in the 55/65 range. Not to mention 8K which, arguments on its merits aside, is actually shipping as a consumer product and as a broadcast standard.
Just want to add to the above:
Not just production challenges to shrink microLED, but also MicroLED power consumption issue which currently are quite high. This in turn will affect panel durability/longevity due to heat issue if it is not managed carefully.Even existing OLED panel benefits (higher brightness, possible to be more durable) from custom and better heatsink (for example, inside Panasonic GZ2000 series).
damn, not a good thing, gives LG to much power in the Aus OLED market this year & onwards
good price for 65", should remove the 55" thats not a good price
This vs the 65' LG C9?
C9 is better in most regards, but right now it's more expensive. I got it for $2600 which would make it worth it. I would prob buy this if tied with 10% off gift cards for jb.
If you game then the C9, if not then this is a steal.
Sony OLED = best for sports (great in other departments).
Panasonic OLED = best for movies (great in other departments).
LG C9 OLED = Jack of all, does everything great, and best for gaming. Panasonic better calibrated out of the box for movies, Sony has better motion interpolation for sports.
why would anyone use motion interpolation? raw data is always best right?
You son of a bitch, I’m in
Last chance to grab a Panasonic OLED. Super price for the 65" too.
Knowing Panasonic are leaving the AU market what would happen if the TV died within warranty? There would be nothing to replace it with. Full refund?
+1 same question
Panasonic isn't leaving Australia, just not going to sell televisions here. They said they will still continue to support their products. I'm guessing that means normal warranty terms.
The warranty is with JB, Australian consumer law says the seller is responsible.
https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees…Repair most likely, unless not possible, then replace, unless not possible, then refund. Do you usually get a refund without repair or replace?
@reactor-au: Replace? With what?
I’m assuming from the ACCC link above, the retailers only option is refund.
@VerticallyIntegrated: With the same model you paid for. If not available then sure they just refund.
@Tuba: I just had a major fault with my LG oled under warranty. JB agreed to replace it but did not have stock so offered me a choice of any tv at same price. I told them i will wait for the LG
@stickymoo: They did offer me a refund but I got the C9 so cheap I knew wouldn't be able to get the same price again
In this article they said they’ll still provide customer support. “ Panasonic Australia will also continue to provide customer service to all owners of its television products. We will always put our customers first and provide the highest level of support“
https://tvtonight.com.au/2020/02/panasonic-quits-retail-tv-m…Panasonic currently outsources their repairs to another company, so all they need to do is continue the current contract which can be done indefinitely. IME it's actually a good srtup, because the company wants to fix your TV for you, they gain by fixing it, so even if the it was questionable whether it should be under warranty, they will fix it and just write up on the job card that it need x part.
If i havent bought the fz950 i would so buy that 65GZ1000U
Wow was tossing up between this, LG C9 and the Sony X95. I was expecting a clearance sale to show up this week. Glad i hung out for this. Just paid for this in store in Perth. Apparently there is a decent amount of stock in Perth Warehouse where I am planning to pick up from
Not really sure why you'd get this 55" OLED rather than a C9 for five hundred (even 700) less from a brand that isn't "leaving".
The 65" looks like more of a deal maybe.
Exactly my thought as well. C9 55 is available around 1800 - 1900 with ebay coupons.
Best thing to do is to go with C9
yeah ignore the 55" dont think OP realises its a shit price
Sorry guys didnt know about the 55 inch price, post has been edited.
Out of stock many stores, don't like odds of matching easily.
Good price, but isn’t this similar price to the B9? Why wouldn’t you get B9 instead.
where is the b9 for same price?
Why would you get the B9?
B9 is the budget oled, this Panasonic is pretty neck n neck with the lg c9, comments from other deals Panasonic better for movies, lg better for gaming
I'm not moving houses until July … should I still buy this now?
Buy first. Think later.
depends on your budget, if lg release their 2020 oled lineup march/april may see low $3ks by july/aug
All these great new posters are killing it. Well done
I had set myself a goal to buy a 65" C9 for $2500 for when my new house is completed next month.
Id prefer the LG over the pana (had worse customer experience ever with a panasonic split system - they took 3 months to repair in middle of summer) would the C9 go on sale soon?
The repairer would be different for tvs than ACs, I have had reasonable experiences with the TV repairers
I nearly bought this, an hour ago. Then I realised, maybe I'm infected with novel-ozb-v9. I could be addicted to buying things with high vote counts, that look really cool.
So I stopped for a second. I'm happy with my (average) hisense tv for a couple more years. I don't have HDR10 or Dolby plus sources. I'll get a PS5 when it comes out.. and whilst this tv doesn't do HDMI2.1, game development might not catch up with that aspect of hardware. So should I fork out $2,500 right now? Nope.
You're doing it wrong .. the correct method is get $3k in JB gift cards from your work "rewards" program for free (or doing a good job)
Then purchase this TV…Thanks OP … looking forward to the upgrade from my HiSense 55N7
I don't have HDR10 or Dolby plus sources
Surprising, no Netflix? (yes i know its compressed but its still got DV and HDR10)
Depends how much Netflix you watch. Most my stuff i watch is not on Netflix (some is, most is not), so in such situation the benefit of this TV is limited. Some content will actually look worse. A number of owners have reported this oversight on reflection.
My 58" Japanese made Panny Plasma is still in the same perfect condition it was in about 10 years ago when I bought it. I know I don't need this…but…
Haha, same. Torture! 2009 54" Japanese made plasma just won't die!
My 58" Japanese plasma (2009) also won't die. :(
Uses heaps more power than these newer TVs though :D
Mine is responsible for half of Australia's carbon footprint. Whenever I turn it on, Greta messages me.
@Make it so: TV? I always thought Plasma's were room heaters with a very nice display panel? My bad.
Own another piece of history for the next decade. 👍🏻
I feel your pain…..i've got 2x pana plasmas that refuse to die - purchased in 2006 & 2009
I also have 60" Pioneer Kuro bought in October 2008 that is still working perfectly.
Lucky that's the only TV I have, so still have some excuse and pull the trigger on this. End up paying $2175 (including $59 shipping) using JB Gift Card purchased more than 2 years ago…
Same here too! I've had my Panasonic ST60 Plasma for about 8 years now. It has been, and still is an excellent TV. It may not do 4K, but I look at other people's far newer LED TVs and realise how much better mine still looks in Full HD. I was planning on getting a Panasonic OLED when it dies. But it just wont die!
I appreciate the quality of Japanese made plasma, however LG are amazing with their quality too. I have a 9 year old lg and a 5 year old lg both are practically as good as new.
5% off if you buy gift cards through Suncorp rewards. Possibly other programs too
What the warranty going to be like once Panasonic up and leave?
Scroll up.☝🏻
Is this Panasonic's best TV?
No, that would be Panasonic GZ2000 series
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Amazing price for the 65” JB.
Great first post! Well done