Ditch the NBN if you’re in Ballarat, Mildura or Geelong and can connect to iiNet/Westnet cable.
Typical evening speeds of 200/20Mbps. From seeing users Speedtests the speeds are closer to 250ish/50Mbps.
https://www.speedtest.net/result/6979172810
For $39.95 for first 12 months why would you even bother with the NBN?
$59.99 signup fee for the Cable box + $10 shipping fee. Works out to $45 a month.
After 12 months it is.
I'm on it as well but I'm on 250/40 roughly.
What modem do you have? I have had this for a while.
Cheers
Almost worth moving to Ballarat/Geelong in VIC.
NBN is absolute trash at my place (NSW).
Yeah thinkin about making the move for this deal
Not in all Geelong suburbs though!
Yes I used iiNet HFC while in Geelong and Ballarat, much better and cheaper than NBN.
I literally just got NBN FTTB and thought I was happy with my 100/40 speeds until I saw this post.
This post makes me sad.
https://node1.com.au/internet-plans-residential/
Here's 1Gbps in selected areas of Perth for $109.95 a month.
Not a bad deal at all, unfortunately I'm in NSW and can't get either of these plans.
Here's 3000Mbps available in Geraldton WA. Just don't be sad mate, 2045 will be a great year for our internet and only 25 years away.
https://www.speedtest.net/result/d/a85848b5-9a61-42cc-91e7-4…
@checkingthisout: Hey mate, I'm actually from Geraldton. Can you send me a pm on how you got this and what plan? Cheers
@shadmaster4: https://node1.com.au/internet-plans-residential/
Put your address in and take a look, good thing is it's completely independent of the NBN and as such should be rock solid.
@checkingthisout: See here grandkids one day your grandkids grandkids will be able to dream about their grandkids grandkids grandkids being able to dream about their grandkids grandkids internet being 1% of this here Australians internet that was achieved in the great year of our lord in 2020.
And that is why we get up every day to eat our toast with avocados.
What do you need that bandwidth for? HD streaming is only a few Mbps so I can't understand why anyone needs more than say 50Mbps other than a pissing contest?
It's more a case of economics, if you have a connection that can handle 10,000Mbps, and the infrastructure is there, you want to get as many users as possible to sign up for the most premium, high plans. Making as much as possible back from the initial investment.
Because NBN is stuck with mostly 12/25/50Mbps for now and the near/long future, the ARPU is stuck at too low to make the cost back. NBN want's $54 at minimum and is stuck around $40 something (NBN keeps mixing ARPU residential with commercial)
So, FTTP costs $3000AUD to put in or less (Based on NZ), and FTTN costs $2700 or more (The costs keep rising), but let's say FTTP can make back $129AUD+ a month for 1000Mbps and FTTN can only make $59AUD-$69AUD for 50Mbps ever. Then NBN could increase it's revenue per user much faster with FTTP. It cannot do this with FTTN, with simple upgrades, it will cost thousands per house hold to get that revenue. This is similar to shooting yourself in the foot.
This is the thing people forget quite a lot.
You want users like this:
"The base model X car is nice, but for $5000 more i can get leather"
"Airlines make more money on business class tickets than they do on the entire rows of economy passengers."
So on so forth.
I think the catch is, that unlike other luxury items which trigger an emotional response to open the wallet, Internet bandwidth and latency has no emotional trigger.
For 90%+ of the population they are happy paying $50 a month for Internet that gives Facebook and Netflix. Any other benefit real or imagined is a hard sell.
@1st-Amendment: In a sense you're correct, most users will want around the $50-70 mark. Although it's actually not that hard to sell premium when you don't over price it, or even when you do, aka Apple, Tesla etc. NBN is over pricing to stay financially viable, but they can't stay afloat because NBN isn't able to raise ARPU, beacause how do you raise ARPU when the ceiling is 50Mbps, the only way to raise ARPU is with products that you can sell. They can't sell 100Mbps to most FTTN consumers. 50% is the market lead held by Telstra, and none of their users can get 100Mbps from the NBN now. None, that's millions of households that will not get 100Mbps through Telstra.
1Gbps is the fastest growing service in New Zealand and makes $14 more per user. Which for Chorus doesn't cost more, as both the lines are FTTP anyway. Roughly $1,000,000+ a month for only 13% of users. Which can soon get 10,000Mbps, which the 1% will bring the same revenue as the 13%. This is basics. You sell the Macbook Pro with 128GB, but you know most will pay $250AUD for 256GB version, making $100's of dollars more profit.
That's what you want. Not a nation full of, 'I would pay more, but i can't, cause you cannot offer me it'.
https://imgur.com/a/SMKynmN - Chorus future will be bright as the UFB assets are cheap to maintain and are easily updated for a long time.
@checkingthisout: Considering that number of services that have local presence in NZ is next to zero and you still limited by that pesky speed of light limit and have to deal with 200ms latency to California it does not make any difference whether you have 100 Mbit or 100 Gbit fiber to your home.
@[Deactivated]: Eh, most content is cached anyway, so i doubt the hit to the imaginary server in California makes much of a difference for FTTP, and considering 1ms Ping vs 30-40ms ping is really 2-3x that so 3ms vs 100ms of latency, the round trip on their NZ FTTP would feel faster 97ms faster than a FTTN connection. Even with speed of light to California.
@checkingthisout: First of all, most content is definitely not cached or you have no idea what "most" means. Secondly, I don't know where you get your 3ms vs 100ms ping from, your imagination?
@[Deactivated]: 'Most' of the content that takes up bandwidth is video, YouTube/Netflix, is cached on a CDN or within a POP or within a datacenter.
Ping is directly related to wifi, cabling, interference, hardware. If ping is low, the actual and perceived wait time is lower no matter the location of the origin server people would be requesting data from.
@ssquid: It is closely related. In fact one affects other. Yeah. I know. Mind blown. However that's exactly what I was talking about. You can have 100s Gbit of throughput but with high latency it would not make any difference.
@[Deactivated]: And yet somehow with over 300ms latency, I'm still able to pull over 250mbps from the US. It's almost as if there's some sort of buffering, like a "sliding window" that allows more data to be transferred before previous data is acknowledged…
@[Deactivated]: "Make any difference" to what"? Wtf are you talking about? Youtube and Netflix have POPs here in Australia, not some server running in the basement at Palo Alto like it's 1999.
Here's article from 4 years ago showing where Netflix has CDNs - 4600 servers around the world.
https://www.lifehacker.com.au/2016/09/heres-a-map-of-where-n…
NZ would most likely use these CDNs in Australia.
Even if you are streaming from the US, latency does not have a considerable impact on throughput unless there is high packet loss or poor capacity on links, which is not related to latency.
It sounds like you have no clue what you're talking about.
Some people require more bandwidth for various reasons. I want it so I can stream (upload) video from my PC at home to my laptop. Unfortunately sometimes that video stream requires 100mbps of bandwidth (@4K) to run smoothly.
Ever heard of router, local network or wifi?
And those use cases (I have a friend who is a video editor with the same demands) would be in the 1% category.
4k streaming for now and in a few years 8k streaming.
Upload is also important as a lot of work these days involve content sharing and you dont want to be waiting hours for a 2GB file to upload before your colleagues can review / access.
With faster internet it opens up a whole new world of possibilities especially for working from home.
Some people do actually use that speed. Working from home. People who do lots of uploads focus on the upload.
Pissing competitions. If the NBN can get someone to pay $20/m more because "OMG speedzzzz!!!!". Its not the NBNs job to care about whether or not they need that much speed, it's NBNs job to get the extra $240/y that matters.
it's NBNs job to get the extra $240/y that matters
This ^ NBN shouldn't care if you're 1Mbps or 1000Mbps, in the end they're the 'last mile access network'. They want as much out of you as they can, by limiting the speed and the price you'll pay, that's their own stupid decision. NBN needs to just set their AVC and be done with it. Want $75 a month for 1000Mbps? then charge it without CVC. Problem for NBN is they want $54AUD, wholesale per connection, and no one wants to 'happily' pay $54AUD + GST + IP TRANSIT + COSTS + PROFIT for 50Mbps, they might for 100Mbps+. That's real world $70AUD+
They're afraid to let the market set their pricing. 12Mbps should be $29 a month retail, not wholesale.
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-co-outlines-its-fear-of-c…
Does anyone remember when in 2005 TPG was going to install fibre Australia wide then the government stepped in and prevented them? I seem to remember something like that happening.
Why is Bendigo left out…sigh 😞
man we can only dream of speeds like these elsewhere…
Hey op, the Arris modems were replaced 4 years ago.
They also recently got rid of the minimum contract length so you can leave at any time, which makes it weird that they still offer the first 12 months at half-price.
Yeah, the guy on the phone when i signed someone up today said it's their own cable modem. I'll update that. So there is no longer any 12 month periods? Or maybe this is 12 months for this special? I'd not heard of anything else.
It's technicolor(/cisco) hardware with their minimally customized firmware. The old Arris CM820 was just a dumb (bridge) modem, the newer one is a whole router with 4 ports, 2.4+5GHz wifi and voip. It's got a usb port too for sharing mass storage but it's reallly slow and not worth using.
It's also vulnerable to CableHaunt.
Hmm, do these new modems/routers have more channels, ie faster then the Arris 820? Can they be bridged?
Im on 250mbit with the Arris and not complaining. But if I can go to 400 or 500mbit some users keep mentioning I'd try to switch I guess.
@bobs burgers: The technicolor uses 16x4 channels, it tops out around 550mbps down if your node has the capacity. It supports bridge mode.
I think they cost $99 to buy on their own, but if you're a long-term customer some people have been able to talk their way into getting upgraded for free.
To anyone lamenting not living in one of these towns, I actually do, and it's not available at my address. So you can imagine my dismay.
So it’s available at my address, sounds like I should definitely be signing up? Currently on 100mbps unlimited fttp for $100 so bit of a no brainer?
Do it, i have not found many complaints across the web, just signed a relative up, will post a speedtest once it's done.
Yeah save some money and faster speed. See what deals you can get in 12 months on both networks.
Good deal, even if it isn't on special pricing. Unfortunately I don't live in the eligible area. I would love to ditch the slow and expensive NBN.
Oh what NBN could have been
FTTP for all… oh what a dream.
We could have been like NZ but no, now we'll be stuck in dark ages again while rest of the world moves onto 1Gbps or higher.
Bloody hell that's cheap. Here I am stuck on Opticomm and paying $100p/m for 100/40. I need to move to Ballarat.
Any love for existing customers? I've been on cable for 5 years now with iinet and pay $70 a month
hehe stuff of dreams , here take an upvote.
lol here I am paying $40/m for 10mbps HFC Nbn, its actually worse in every way compared to the 50/m tpg adsl2 I had almost 10 years ago, but these jokers are kidding themselves if they think I will pay more for this shit, if 5g is any decent I'm gone baby
My relative was on $39.95 a month unlimited ADSL/2 for years got 22-24Mbps as they were right next to the exchange.
Now they have HFC and it’s been dead for 2 weeks due to a lightning storm. Speed is 12/1Mbps for $49.95. What a scam.
Its not exactly a deal, this is their standard offer, it has been offered like this since day 1.
Anyone had experience using this service, cancelling after 2 years and then signing up again for the 50% off for the first 12 months?
Yes but there was a change of address involved. I had to talk them out of handling it as a standard relocation ($99 charge).
If I’m already a customer in Ballarat can I get this deal?
New customers only. If you live with someone you could try cancelling and re-signup under their name, but keep in mind they will cross-check things like bank account and mobile numbers to catch you out.
Signed up to NBN going on 3wks now.. full speed on the 50/20 plan. Averages 5mb/sec downloads whereas before on ADSL2 it was 300k/s … Couldnt be happier. Hoping to get 200 or 300 plans when they become available here whenever that will be.
Depends, if you're on FTTN/FTTC or HFC, that might be never. HFC less so, but pigs will fly before i see NBN give FTTC and FTTN 300Mbps+
If you're on FTTP you can get 250Mbps from Aussie/Launtel right now.
yea i can only dream im on NBN HFC .. i wanted to upgrade my plan but dont want to push my luck getting 100/20.
nbn HFC easily does close to 100Mbps. 250Mbps is coming from May. Maybe select suburbs at first.
I thought NBN CO. or the government is going to charge/tax people who don't use nbn $8 a month or so?
Has anyone had luck getting the discounted 12 month 39.99 price after the year has finished? I've been with them 3 years now not sure if it worth cancelling and starting a new contract?
![[VIC] 200/20mbps iinet Cable: Ballarat, Mildura & Geelong $39.99/mth for First 12 Months ($79.99/mth Thereafter) + $69.99 Setup](https://files.ozbargain.com.au/n/89/522989.jpg?h=433b0713)
So is the normal plan $80/month?