The budget phone that matches and even out performs Android flagships twice the price is now even cheaper!
Related article: Is a $400 iPhone SE really faster than the most powerful Android phone?
64GB - $679 from $749
128GB - $759 from $829
256GB - $929 from $999
Great for those who don’t want too muck around with cancelling Vodafone contacts.
Not my first post. Don’t be nice.
Except even the $2,369.00 Pro Max doesn’t come with them lol.
Lacerta is right. The SE used to have these included in the box (ironically, I never took them out). They now removed them to align to the 12-line. Obviously this needed to go with a price drop. Smart move, the SE was a bit overpriced and is no longer running Apple’s latest chip, this makes it more appealing.
Mickalmus 36 min ago
"This means that the iPhone SE isn’t “faster than the fastest Android phones.” In fact, this particular aspect of the performance is 20% down compared to leading Android phones."
Quoted directly from the linked article and referring to multi threaded performance testing.
I'll happily admit to being a Nexus/Pixel fan boy but not so close-minded to rule out looking at one of these as a replacement. I just couldn't get past the screen size or lacking full HD. I'm also kind of stuck on having stereo front facing speakers on my phablets too.
Bang for buck it is probably very slick and the UX no doubt quite good. It was just easier to stay with what I was used to. ~10% price drop can't be sneezed at.
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Strange indeed, why would anyone expect the cheapest iPhone outperforms premium Android phones? What's the logic?
I think you’re confused. Reasonable responses aren’t welcomed in these threads.
It called cutting cost under the disguise of being pro-environment so Apple could make more profit
My problem is that Apple lead the way to get a new phone either every one or two years thereby worsening environmental impacts.
I mean iOS 14 is supported on the iPhone 6S from 2015…
Yep just updated my 6s Plus the other week.
Not usually an Apple fan but bought the phone through a family member very cheap and had it for a couple of years now.
I am impressed with there warranty, replaced the original iPhone with refurbished with 2 year warranty which runs out shortly…
That's impressive. Android phone would have stopped update after a couple of years.
@browser: Which is why I moved from Android to iPhone. I got tired of NEEDING to upgrade every few years because of degradation in performance. Haven't looked back. My iPhone 8+ is still going strong
@Hybroid, but Is it usable though?
@[Deactivated]: Very much so and infact it runs better now than it has before. My teenage kids have one each and they are a great phone
@Caped Baldy I disagree, there is a high demand for used iPhones (not everyone can afford a new iPhone), and their support is longer, they will be in use for many more years than Android phones hence lessening the environmental impacts. Android phones (especially cheaper models) get churned over more often as it is more economical to get new ones with new warranties. They are the worst environmental offenders.
@Caped Baldy: Official battery replacements supplied and installed by an Apple Store or an extensive network of Apple Service providers are $79 for the standard models and $109 for the premium models.
Not outrageous at all.
@tp0: I remember paying $299 for a 2nd spare battery for my Nokia 101 back around 1995! That was just to ensure I'd have a working phone for 8 hours without access to a charger. $100 or so for a new genuine battery is VERY reasonable.
Do they really "lead the way" though? Their level of software support for old devices basically has no match in the android ecosystem, they commonly give full OS version updates to 4+ year old phones. Meanwhile android manufacturers generally do 2 years for flagships, then just 1 or even 0 years on cheap phones. Some are making waves at the moment by committing to 3 years, but that still falls behind Apple.
I'd argue Apple are one of the best phone companies for encouraging people to keep using their old devices. Sure they promote their new phones every year, but really they just want people to be part of their ecosystem and to keep making them money that way. Apps for 4 year old iPhones cost just as much as the same app on new iPhones.
I saw the latest versions of android are changing that.
Doesn't help existing phones but they are essentially making it so all phones moving forward can at the bare min get security updates.
Typing on my iPhone 6s right now and still going strong.
I've actually still got my work iphone 6s, too bad the battery has less than 1hr SOT.
@Caped Baldy: I'm using a 6S. Haven't updated the iOS past 12; too scared that the newer iOS will eat battery or performance.
@pronoun: I haven't noticed any performance or battery degradation with iOS 14 on a 6S+, you should be fine.
@Caped Baldy: I’ve got a 6s and I just had the battery replaced by Apple for $79. Now it goes for 2 days between charges and I couldn’t be happier! Will get another couple of years out of it before I upgrade :-)
It's the telcos we have to blame for the 2 year refresh cycle, and before the iPhone feature phones didn't last long. Once you put a computer in something it makes it outdated quite quickly usually.
I've just upgraded from iPhone 7 Plus (had it for 3 years) and am moving to a second hand iphone XS. The 7 Plus is certainly still serviceable, battery health is poor but it's otherwise great.
It's society we have to blame. Looking cool. Or more accurately, not looking lame.
worsening environmental impacts.
how? almost all the time iPhones are passed on to a second hand user or recycled through trade in or other means. Not a single apple device or accessory i owned in the past ended up in a bin.
That's called a ponzi scheme. What happens to the existing phone the person who bought your old iPhone had been using? Except the first time phone users (kids) everybody has a working phone. Some of them need to end up in a bin if everyone upgrades theirs.
My partner is still on the old SE, performing well for her.
Does it at least come with a lightening cable?
Yes, Lightning to USB-C. So all those apple phone chargers "you already have laying around" as Apple says, won't work, you'll likely have to buy one anyway.
You can use the cable you already have with the charger you already have…..
Definitely a better deal to include the newer cable rather than the older one. The newer cable is required to connect the phone to a macbook or iPad Pro so it'd be sillier to have put in the old cable and worse to have no cable. And the 20W adapter isn't too terribly priced by Apple standards anyway - $29 . The magsafe charger on the other hand. Ouch that price.
@[Deactivated]: Actually good point .. didn't think of that. I just wish they had ditched lightning and gone full USB-C finally.
@narcoleptic-haze: Yeah, I also wish they'd ditched lightning. I'm still expecting the next or the version after to simply be a single slab of glass with no ports or buttons though……
Also I reckon if they'd changed to USB-C the argument for not including the charger would have been weaker since anyone without another USB-C device already would have needed both the adapter and the cable.
@[Deactivated]: Yeah I imagine they're going to ditch lightning for nothing rather than going to USB-C. They're just waiting for wireless charging to improve.
@ldt: Which would be a neg from an environmental point of view - induction charging is no where as efficient power transfer as a diect cable. So lots more power wasted.
20W x 30% loss x millions of phones = lots of wasted power.
This would be ok imo if they gave the option to include it at checkout for free. Like what if this is someones first iPhone?
I think everyone would just tick the box and we'd be back to square one. If it's your very first iPhone and you have somehow avoided collecting them from family and relatives then you're up for another $29, assuming you don't have a wireless Qi charger already from an android phone that you want to keep using, or a USB-C adapter from an android phone you want to keep using, or a macbook, or an iPad.
For marketing purposes they'd be better off just getting people to tick a box and save $30 to not include one. That way only people who wanted it would get it and 'save $$$ by not getting something you don't need and won't use' is more friendly than paying more for it on the very rare chance you do.
This is exactly what I've said. If you are excluding them for environmental reasons, then give people the option to grab one at time of purchase for free.
Or at a discount - should weed out those who don’t need it
Then order separate charger & earphones for more environmental packaging waste & money grabbing :(
Yes, except most (if not all) of the packaging is recyclable.
Recycling is not a 100% efficient process. You can't recycle the energy needed to manufacture something and then to recycle it.
Not manufacturing it in the first place always beats recycling.
I just bought an iPhone 11 for miss entropy from an Apple store. They still have stock with the chargers and EarPods in the box, sold at at the reduced price so I would expect it is the same with this SE (my son has one, a great, speedy little phone).
When they run through existing stock the boxes will be smaller and without the charger though..
They should use USB C and align themselves to the rest of the industry if they cared about reusability and the environment
They will go portless in next 1-2 years like the Apple Watch. No point.
Accidental repeat
"As part of out efforts to reach our environmental goals"
That's a relief, for a minute I though it was to do with maximising profit.
I think it’s SOC is comparable to high end phones.
Yeah, as an Android phone user I have to concede that the Apple SoCs are amazing. Of course the choice between an iPhone SE and say a Samsung Note 20 Ultra isn't just the SoC. Regardless what Apple have achieved with the SE is pretty impressive.
Wait for soon to be released Exynos 2100
As a long time Android user (Nexus/Pixel specifically) I've been considering trying out an iPhone. They're just so expensive (obviously not the SE), although Androids have been moving that way now too.
I feel Apple is (slowly) moving in a direction I like - i.e. Shortcuts. I've also been unhappy with some decisions Google has been making with their products/services (messaging apps, GPM) and also am interested in moving my data away from Google et al. I just don't feel like I can trust them anymore.
"So, while the iPhone SE can sprint out of the gate faster than the Galaxy S20 Ultra, it seems that after the first few meters it slows down, particularly when all the cores of the CPU are being used simultaneously. In the end, it manages to get over the finish line ahead of the S20 Ultra, but that seems to depend on where you draw that line."
"Yeah your iPhone might start faster and even after slowing down it still gets over the finish line first but if I just move the goal posts a bit and cherry pick this bit in the middle my S20 Ultra was totally faster over this short distance here, maybe"
Quite the endorsement
The iPhone SE's A13 bionic chip is definitely amazing, especially at that low price, but bringing that article up now and saying it is more powerful than the most powerful android device is just plain wrong.
Maybe it was back in August, but definitely not now.
Here is the same guy, using the same test, for the "most powerful android device":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpOgAlxCvCk
Edit: Nevermind, the test was done on the 23rd of July, and that website article you posted was done (or at least edited last) on the 22nd of August. That article title "Tested: Is a $400 iPhone SE really faster than the most powerful Android phone?" is wrong.
Lol, getting negged for posting facts. What is this?
Lol, no. It literally competes with and in some ways beats the S20. See link above.
Apple hater?
I started in the computer industry as an Apple fan 30 years ago. Apple are by far one of the worst companies i have ever dealt with.
Imagine a small computer retailer paying rent trying to sell one of their iPhone products with 2.5% margin?
Then they have to pay fees to the credit card company.
Apple give a lousy 12 month warranty, yet samsung gone 24 months.
Most iphones of the last decade are made by foxconn, using Chinese slave labour in sub standard conditions, hence why their buildings have barbed wire on their rooftops to stop employees jumping off.
@BewareOfThe Dog: If you’re talking iPhones and iPads, Apple give 24 month warranty on them… have done so for best part of a decade (ACL). Don’t even need a receipt for it!
It has a good SOC, rest of the phone is average to poor, it's made for grandma. Imagine how fast she can post trump conspiracies on her Facebook with that super fast SOC.
Or people who want a super fast phone, with long upgrades support, local in store replacement warranty and for a reasonable price.
Reasonable price?
@WoodYouLikeSomeCash: Superior Galaxy S20 FE was $999 with $319 Buds Live free + fast charger + AKG earphones + 120Hz screen & massie battery, etc.
No comparison
@WoodYouLikeSomeCash: I think S20 FE is the budget flagship… but point taken it's still not a great comparison with the SE.
People be buying one plus nord oversea for $600, when this is so much better with warranty
I alternate between iPhone and Android devices, so I’m not stuck in either camp. But in terms of SoC, Apple obliterates the completion year after year. The SE has last years A13, so yes, it outperforms Android flagships that cost double.
The SE has last years A13
That's a fact that some users in this thread are forgetting. Yes, it may not be outperforming this seasons flagships, but it was outperforming earlier flagships from this year with last year's hardware.
I think it’s safe to say it would outperform many of this years flagships.
wow it really IS faster
Booooo hisss hissss
Longtime iPhone user here. I switched to Android last month when my iphone 7 died. I appreciate that iPhones are incredibly reliable, have an incomparable, integrated ecosystem, are really well-built and well-designed, and are generally superior on the software side. However, it's the pricing that really swayed me.
I noticed this the other day. Was able to claim $70 back on my Coles MasterCard. I was also able to
Claim $200 back on the iPhone XR.
How did you claim $200 back?
I’m assuming price protection insurance
As above. Coles don't offer it anymore. Same with 28 degrees.
Account Cover Plus on my Coles MasterCard. It's no longer available to new card holders. Price dropped from $1049 to $849, hence I was able to claim on the price protection policy. Last year I was able to claim $180 when it dropped from $1229 to $1049.
I've got the old 28 Degrees price protection. Is the old Coles price protection the same? 12 month validity, any Australian retailer, unlimited claims?
@theoracle30: 24 months but same retailer. $600 per item (unlimited claims), $2000 per 12 months (total maximum of all claims)
The budget phone that matches and even out performs Android flagships twice the price is now even cheaper!
You should be hired by Apple for sales and marketing. Sorry didn't brought anything this time.
Should be: Now from $A, was from $B
Was jarring for me to read.
EDIT looks like it has report and changed by power-user/mods
Thought Australia has a law which requires phones to come with headphones
That’s France.
We both fought in the World War….close enough?
Or a power adapter.
This comes with a tiny battery so if definitely not for heavy users.
Can confirm, am 90KG, unusable.
Language is a blunt instrument someone said.
I guess this is the reason why…