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In the stirring, highly anticipated first volume of his presidential memoirs, Barack Obama tells the story of his improbable odyssey from young man searching for his identity to leader of the free world, describing in strikingly personal detail both his political education and the landmark moments of the first term of his historic presidency-a time of dramatic transformation and turmoil.

Obama takes readers on a compelling journey from his earliest political aspirations to the pivotal Iowa caucus victory that demonstrated the power of grassroots activism to the watershed night of November 4, 2008, when he was elected 44th president of the United States, becoming the first African American to hold the nation's highest office.

Reflecting on the presidency, he offers a unique and thoughtful exploration of both the awesome reach and the limits of presidential power, as well as singular insights into the dynamics of U.S. partisan politics and international diplomacy. Obama brings readers inside the Oval Office and the White House Situation Room, and to Moscow, Cairo, Beijing, and points beyond. We are privy to his thoughts as he assembles his cabinet, wrestles with a global financial crisis, takes the measure of Vladimir Putin, overcomes seemingly insurmountable odds to secure passage of the Affordable Care Act, clashes with generals about U.S. strategy in Afghanistan, tackles Wall Street reform, responds to the devastating Deepwater Horizon blowout, and authorizes Operation Neptune's Spear, which leads to the death of Osama bin Laden.

A Promised Land is extraordinarily intimate and introspective-the story of one man's bet with history, the faith of a community organizer tested on the world stage. Obama is candid about the balancing act of running for office as a Black American, bearing the expectations of a generation buoyed by messages of "hope and change," and meeting the moral challenges of high-stakes decision-making. He is frank about the forces that opposed him at home and abroad, open about how living in the White House affected his wife and daughters, and unafraid to reveal self-doubt and disappointment. Yet he never wavers from his belief that inside the great, ongoing American experiment, progress is always possible.

This beautifully written and powerful book captures Barack Obama's conviction that democracy is not a gift from on high but something founded on empathy and common understanding and built together, day by day.

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  • +83 votes

    I'll wait for the sequel - Joe Biden: A Broken Hip

    • +1 vote

      ahaha CoMeDy

      • +1 vote

        CoMeDy

        Reporter: Do you really think you can stop Khomeini?

        Dave : Not if it's funny.

        • +2 votes

          Divided the US, now dividing the world…
          Remember guys, this is Straya…

        • +2 votes

          Huh?! I'm on ozbargain, nothing can stop me now.

    • +6 votes

      Ah, you forgot the classic "The Trump Delusion - How a 5 year old corrupted a country" feat. a special chapter on life inside lockdown for 15-20 years

      • -20 votes

        nice bro -10 votes isnt too bad for that comment

      • -1 vote

        "The Trump Delusion - How 5 year olds corrupted the media"

        FTFY…

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        Forwards by Boris Johnson and Dan Andrews.

    • +36 votes

      You can try another one:
      Hillary Clinton : Born to Be President,

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        That was a shame… She was okay well spoken
        Achievements or not, I think both sides would agree that was a pretty funny 4 years of comedy material.

        • +2 votes

          Well spoken? Is that what is needed to be the POTUS?

          • +1 vote

            @dealsucker: That's all this book is. So yes. Obama care.

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            @dealsucker: No you just have to be a self-proclaimed millionaire and con-artist, racist, sexist etc. Well for a one term POTUS at least.

            • +1 vote

              @Matcha: Why so bitter dude? We are in Australia and Obama wasnt a saint either.

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          Say what you will about the rage shitting corrupt rapist threat to democracy but the man put on one hell of a show!

  • +7 votes

    Toilet paper

    • +16 votes

      Found the Trump supporter

      • -20 votes

        So anyone against Communists is Trump supporter now?

        • +30 votes

          Obama was firmly centre-left. You really need to look into a definition of communism.

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            @todayssawyer: That is the average Americans definition.

          • -4 votes

            @todayssawyer: Taking money from china and running servers for state department in your private home (Hillary's bathroom, which he approved) with email CC to Chinese spy on every state department email counts as communist. Also ran the most military drone raids in history, innocents died in collateral damage, my hero, not.

            Fact check? sure here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_U.S._... see totals, Deaths 8000-16000, injured up to 3900, total casualties up to 20,823. Maybe they should give him the Nobel peace prize, oh wait…the majority of these align to Obama's term in presidency….what a guy. If this is center-left, who needs them. Maybe that's why France has had enough of Macron, they been protesting all year long and even this weekend are still going strong, but no media coverage here….wonder why.

            • +1 vote

              @asrey1975: I'll help you out: "a theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs."

              Interesting assertions you've made, too.
              "Taking money from China" - Please elaborate? Global economics involves a lot of money moving between nations, you'll have to be more specific in your baseless accusations.

              "running servers for state department in your private home" - Certainly a mistake. Interesting that you're picking this up when Melania has also been called out on using private email for state business; it's at the point of being ~a mistake that shouldn't have been made, but was, by Clintons and Trumps alike~. Not entirely sure how this amounts to communism.

              "Hillary's bathroom, which he approved" - Seems like a less than ideal place to host hardware, would've though humidity would cause issues. Not sure if that's considered "communism" either. Maybe you're confusing it with "condensation"?

              "email CC to Chinese spy on every state department email" espionage isn't inherently communist.. But tbh I doubt this one matters as it smells like something dreamt up without evidence. You wouldn't happen to have a citation, would you?

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          Soooo what exactly are you on about?

        • +1 vote

          It's a shame his BS can blind so many to the rest of the iceberg…

          • +1 vote

            @plague69: HAHAHAHAHAHA.. compared to Trump's record of lies and backtracks in his 4 years and still have 73 Million voting for him???

    • -2 votes

      Expensive toilet paper. Missed a trick. Woulda sold fast few months ago during panic buying.

  • +50 votes

    Also known as
    "America: I'm so disappointed in you, you really didn't deserve me"

    • +3 votes

      I'm interested in what you think Obama biggest policy achievements were? If you have to look it up, you've proven the point.

      • +2 votes

        What were Trump's?

        • -2 votes

          What were Trump's?

          I've listed some in a thread below, reproduced here just for you:
          biggest tax cuts
          biggest economy
          lowest unemployment
          lowest unemployment for Blacks and Hispanics (so racist to make them get jobs…)
          first President in 40 years not to send American troops into any new war
          achieved energy independence for the first time in nearly a century
          took no salary
          brokered 2 historic peace deals between Israel and middle east
          pacified the North Korea threat
          facilitated the fastest pandemic vaccine production in history

          Now let's see the other guy's so we can compare

          • +26 votes

            @1st-Amendment: Trump
            - richest combined individuals ever appointed to advisory & governmental positions
            - made the swamp swampier
            - worsened income inequality with tax cuts
            - tanked the economy
            - skyrocketed unemployment to all time highs
            - oversaw 250K deaths due to scientific ignorance (stock standard for conservatives)
            - attempted to dismantle existing healthcare coverage
            - gutted the Environmental Protection Agency
            - increased the poisoning of air & local water supplies
            - gutted Dodd Frank legislation so that speculation by banks could lead to another financial crisis
            - thought sitting a dementia test was an IQ test

            • +6 votes

              @Boogerman: Just want to make an amendment: tanked the world economy

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              @Boogerman:

              • richest combined individuals ever appointed to advisory & governmental positions
                That is bad how? You prefer he select based on the colour of skin rather than skills and experience?

              • made the swamp swampier
                If by swap you mean career politicians, this is provably false, see you're own point above

              • worsened income inequality with tax cuts
                Actually the strongest job growth since WW2, but sure whatever…

              • tanked the economy
                Actually the strongest economy since WW2, but sure whatever…

              • skyrocketed unemployment to all time highs
                Oh dear you really have no idea do you?

              • oversaw 250K deaths due to scientific ignorance (stock standard for conservatives)
                Similar rates to Europe, welcome to how Pandemics work. Or do you also blame Trump for those too?

              • attempted to dismantle existing healthcare coverage
                Lol…

              • gutted the Environmental Protection Agency
                lol…

              • increased the poisoning of air & local water supplies
                lol…

              • gutted Dodd Frank legislation so that speculation by banks could lead to another financial crisis
                lol…

              • thought sitting a dementia test was an IQ test
                lol…

              That's all you could invent at short notice? Where is the Obama list? Seems conspicuous in it's absence….

              • +20 votes

                @1st-Amendment: Writing LOL in response to the issue of Trump’s attempt to boot an estimated 23 million approx. people off guaranteed healthcare, speaks volumes about the conservative mindset.
                I have wondered whether if IQ is correlated to empathy, considering peer reviewed research has repeatedly shown conservatives score average lower on IQ tests than progressives

                • -1 vote

                  @Boogerman:

                  Writing LOL in response to the issue of Trump’s attempt to boot an estimated 23 million approx. people off guaranteed healthcare, speaks volumes about the conservative mindset.

                  The lol was at your complete lack of being able to post anything resembling reality.
                  You've posted a lot of comments in this thread but are yet to contribute anything substantive. It's all just vagaries and hand waving.

                  ACA is a complicated topic, but you seem to taken the simplistic view that ACA good, anything else bad. This seems to be a common pattern with TDS. Orange Man Bad! If Orange man says it, it's bad.
                  There's plenty of independent reports into ACA pointing out it's flaws, and possible improvements, but Orange Man Bad!

                  research has repeatedly shown conservatives score average

                  The trap there is that averages are not a reliable metric for almost anything. One foot in the fire and one in the snow - perfect average temperature!
                  All averages do is demonstrate how little the person regurgitating them understands about any given subject. Thanks for reinforcing that point.

                  • +2 votes

                    @1st-Amendment: Lolling at 23 million people being booted off healthcare as being an improvement on Obamacare….goes back to my original point about conservatives, low IQ & empathy.
                    I’ve come to the conclusion that conservatives’ church attendance is the absolute pinnacle of virtue signalling
                    (Ooh, ooh, ooh, while we’re on that subject…guess what the plethora & I mean plethora of research studies have found about religious belief & average IQ. It’s a real doozy!)

              • +3 votes

                @1st-Amendment: Lmao Trump is the definition of the swamp, stating he was gonna pay off the federal debt in 2 terms but increased it by $8 Trillion USD in only his one and only term

                The stock market is not reflective of the state of the economy, anyone who's taken economics at a high school level knows this. The stock market was shooting up when there was record levels of unemployment, the market is volatile and does not incorporate many factors

                • +4 votes

                  @Glorfendal:

                  Trump is the definition of the swamp

                  'The Swamp' refers to career politicians who have never done anything outside politics and who only exists to serve their own interests. They have networks of connections who all feed each other and keep the machine greased with kickbacks to each other. This term was used prior to Trump, so calling an outsider part of the swamp is pure ignorance.

                  The stock market is not reflective of the state of the economy, anyone who's taken economics at a high school level knows this.

                  Argument from authority is a logical fallacy.
                  Of course I've done economics at higher school and university so I'm pretty confident understand the definition. But since you seem confused let's consult the dictionary:
                  "the state of a country or region in terms of the production and consumption of goods and services and the supply of money."
                  The Stock Market is an absolute indicator of production, supply of goods, services and supply of money

                  So you're zero from 2 so far…

                  The stock market was shooting up when there was record levels of unemployment

                  Good thing Trump had both covered, record low unemployment AND record economic growth. But, but, Orange Man Bad!

                  • +3 votes

                    @1st-Amendment:

                    'The Swamp' refers to career politicians who have never done anything outside politics and who only exists to serve their own interests

                    Regardless of what people do in their career, Trump has historically only looked out for his own interests. He's outright refused to pay employees, has had 5 bankruptcies, and has been involved in thousands of legal cases. Does that sound like someone who is better than a corrupt politician?

                    The stock market does not reflect the state of economic activity, which is defined as the flow of money throughout the economy. When you have millions more unemployed and the marginal propensity to spend has significantly dropped

                    So you're zero from 2 so far

                    Deciding you're own points, you sound just like him! Must be a hard pill to swallow that he lost the election (if you're in denial as well). You didn't make any connection between your definition of the economy; you literally just made a statement (ArGuMeNt FrOm AuThOrItY iS a LoGiCaL fAlLaCy).

                    The stock market is reactionary to many of those factors and based on people's perceptions of the economy, and it does not reflect general economic health. Take Trump's tax cuts for example. The majority of those cuts were used by companies for share buy-backs which pumped up the prices of their stock. 80% of the stock market is owned by the wealthiest 10% in society. The wealthiest usually bank a large portion of their income (they have a higher marginal propensity to save) or reinvest it back into secondary markets (aka the stock market). This means that while there was a huge boost in share prices, the majority of those tax cuts do not actually flow through to the rest of the economy; it ended up being accumulated by the wealthy.

                    • +3 votes

                      @Glorfendal:

                      Does that sound like someone who is better than a corrupt politician?

                      Actually it does. Entrepreneur types are generally quite aggressive and understand the break eggs/omelette analogy. I worked for a similar guy a few years ago. Blunt, abrasive, made lots of enemies, but he got stuff done. So I guess it depends if you are willing put up with that to get results, or you prefer a sweet talker who doesn't achieve as much.

                      The stock market does not reflect the state of economic activity, which is defined as the flow of money throughout the economy.

                      And through what does the money flow? It's not everything, but the stock market pretty good indicator of the market as a whole.

                      Must be a hard pill to swallow that he lost the election

                      Technically he hasn't lost yet, a point lost on most. There is an officially defined process to decide the election which hasn't run it's course yet.
                      Not that I think he'll win, but this is an important point that the media conveniently overlooks with its biased reporting. See my first point, he is a fighter who doesn't like losing, so the current behaviour is expected. It doesn't mean he is Hitler.
                      When the official process runs its course I expect the regular service to resume and the hysteria will have been for nothing. I'll give Biden a fair shake to see what he can do, unlike the fair chance Trump never got.

                      The wealthiest usually bank a large portion of their income

                      This is mostly a myth. Bezos, Musk, Gates have most of their wealth tied up in stock which is used by the companies they own to make goods and services and employ more people. It's exactly why the tax cuts prompted a bump in employment figures, as business owners increase cash flow, they increase the investment in growing their businesses.

                      If the Wealthy did bank profits, they'd have to pay tax on it, so the gov gains more tax receipts another win.

                      Also overlooked is that everyone owns shares these days through Super (or 401k in the US). So a bump in share price is a wealth gain for everyone.

                      • +3 votes

                        @1st-Amendment:

                        Blunt, abrasive, made lots of enemies, but he got stuff done

                        Just because someone's a (profanity), it doesn't make them effective at business lolol. The most effective leaders respect people but also know when to stand their ground. Trump hasn't done anything innovative or broken any eggs, he bought property in an expensive city and it appreciated. He's had so many businesses fail, and he refuses to pay staff and even some of the venues which he hosted his campaign rally's at. It's objective that he will cheat, lie and steal to get his way and is not a trustworthy (or effective) businessman at all. He had a casino go bankrupt lol, you have to try real hard for a casino to fail. If he's so successful, why does he incur so many losses that he can completely offset his tax (and most banks won't lend to him except for Deutsche who eagerly want to get out).

                        Technically he hasn't lost yet, a point lost on most

                        It's like saying that football game that's 5-0 in extra time hasn't been officially lost yet. Technically, the electoral college has voted yet, but you can be certain that Biden has won (especially given Trump's completely unfounded claims for widespread voter fraud, it's all just heresay).

                        This is mostly a myth. Bezos, Musk, Gates have most of their wealth tied up in stock which is used by the companies they own to make goods and services and employ more people.

                        Uhhhh, you do realise that wealth doesn't create economic activity (the flow of money through the economy does). The value of their stock in a stock exchange has no impact on productivity; it's a secondary market where the assets just change hands. Only during an IPO or during a new stock issue does the company actually gain more cash that it can use for investment.

                        It's exactly why the tax cuts prompted a bump in employment figures, as business owners increase cash flow, they increase the investment in growing their businesses.

                        Yes this is what people say is known as "trickle down" economics, but the tax cuts showed that it was a really bad investment for every tax dollar lost, because since the tax cuts the rate of business investment has dropped (pre-covid too). There was a minor bump in employment, but this is very short term. If you want proper, long term employment with high quality jobs you need to increase funding to education, healthcare and promote innovation to create jobs of the future (i.e. jobs that will be there for years to come and continue to grow)

                        Also overlooked is that everyone owns shares these days through Super (or 401k in the US). So a bump in share price is a wealth gain for everyone.

                        This dis-proportionally benefits the already wealthy or older generations, everyone sub 40 loses. It's completely negligible that a 25 year old gets a $200 wealth gain while a 65 year old gets a $20k wealth gain, because in real terms $200 does not make you much better off in terms of living (say if everyone's wealth was boosted 2%)

                        • +1 vote

                          @Glorfendal:

                          he bought property in an expensive city and it appreciated.

                          Of course, it's so easy.. just buy property in an expensive city and wait a while. That why the million plus New York property owners are all multi-billionaires lol…

                          Technically, the electoral college has voted yet,

                          That's right, so Technically Biden isn't 'President Elect' until this time, so why does everyone call him that when technically he isn't?

                          . Only during an IPO or during a new stock issue does the company actually gain more cash that it can use for investment.

                          You clearly have no idea how most businesses operate. Selling more stuff usually generates more profit ie cashflow. A tax break does the same thing.
                          A tax break means that my tax bill is lower for the quarter so more of my turnover can be used to spend back on the business. This is fairly well understood on all sides of politics. Rudd did this with the GFC, Scomo did it with Covid, and Trump did it in 2017 to kick-start the economy which it did.

                          . If you want proper, long term employment with high quality jobs you need to..

                          Sure, sure, only you know what works… just wash away the record economic growth and record low unemployment, that never really happened… lol

                          This dis-proportionally benefits the already wealthy or older generations

                          Only if you don't understand how compound interest works…
                          And let's just pretend that Amazon don't employ nearly 1 million people. They'd be better off without those jobs…

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                            @1st-Amendment:

                            Of course, it's so easy.. just buy property in an expensive city and wait a while. That why the million plus New York property owners are all multi-billionaires lol…

                            He started from wealth, and the most important factor in real-estate is needing capital. Ignore the parts about his dishonest dealings, bankruptcies and poor investment choices though!

                            That's right, so Technically Biden isn't 'President Elect' until this time, so why does everyone call him that when technically he isn't?

                            He is the president-elect, he will be the next president of the US. The electoral vote is a formality which confirms this, but he overwhelming beat trump in electoral votes. Saying otherwise and getting caught up on the technicalities is a great way to try and deny the inevitable. Just swallow the loss man.

                            You clearly have no idea how most businesses operate. Selling more stuff usually generates more profit ie cashflow. A tax break does the same thing.

                            Did you misread what I said? The tax breaks that provided companies with more cash was overwhelmingly used to buy-back companies own shares. It wasn't used on the business, it was passed on to shareholders in return for their shares, that's how sharemarkets work.

                            Sure, sure, only you know what works… just wash away the record economic growth and record low unemployment, that never really happened… lol

                            The policies he implemented are known to do these things but only for the short term, we have data and proof from similar policies implemented from the past. Tax-breaks create a short term boost, but they go backwards on the big issues that hold back the economy (primarily income inequality and growth industries at this point in time). Elevating people out of poverty has much bigger growth rates than giving money to the wealthy.

                            And let's just pretend that Amazon don't employ nearly 1 million people. They'd be better off without those jobs…

                            Not sure where this came from lolol, never mentioned amazon

                            • +1 vote

                              @Glorfendal:

                              He started from wealth, and the most important factor in real-estate is needing capital

                              So just brush aside his entire career to build a multi billion dollar fortune and pass it off as luck. Got it.

                              He is the president-elect

                              Actually he isn't until the EC vote him in. It's a technicality that was just taken to court to prove, but the media's won't tell you that. Truth low on their list of priorities.

                              The tax breaks that provided companies with more cash was overwhelmingly used to buy-back companies own shares.

                              You know how every business in America used their cash-flow in the last 3 years? You must be really clever!

                              Elevating people out of poverty has much bigger growth rates than giving money to the wealthy.

                              Good thing Trump also lifted more people out of poverty lol..
                              https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/incomes-hit-record-high-...

                              Give up mate, just accept that Trump did a decent job for at least the first 3 years before Covid. He certainly produced better outcomes for more Americans than Obama.
                              Highest economy, lowest unemployment, most people lifted out of poverty. Facts.

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                                @1st-Amendment:

                                So just brush aside his entire career to build a multi billion dollar fortune and pass it off as luck. Got it.

                                Not luck, just an easy path of business when you have a lot of starting capital lol.

                                Actually he isn't until the EC vote him in. It's a technicality that was just taken to court to prove, but the media's won't tell you that. Truth low on their list of priorities.

                                I don't think you understand probability, you get caught up on the technicalities when Biden will 99.9999% be the next US president; do you want to make a bet? Arguing over technicality really shows that you've got nothing to offer here and can't draw obvious conclusions.

                                You know how every business in America used their cash-flow in the last 3 years? You must be really clever!

                                Nope, I just use data and reports rather than guessing (or going with the answer I'd like to hear) https://www.businessinsider.com.au/7-charts-showing-trump-ta...

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                                  @Glorfendal:

                                  just an easy path of business when you have a lot of starting capital lol.

                                  Only someone with no idea of running a successful business would say something like this. Plenty of rich people lose a lot of money all the time. At least 1/3rd of Lottery winners go bankrupt .

                                  I don't think you understand probability

                                  You don't understand legality.

                                  Arguing over technicality really shows that you've got nothing to offer here

                                  Well apart from the legal implications, and basic honesty and integrity, which the media claims they have.
                                  Prince Charles can't legally call himself king today either even though I'll bet my house that he will be…

                                  Nope, I just use data and reports rather than guessing

                                  Where 'data and reports' means media opinion.
                                  FFS the graphs in your article even show GDP growth, employment growth and steadily rising wage growth, yet the headlines are they weren't dramatic enough so Orange Man Bad.

                                  I notice that you didn't comment on the data about lifting people out of poverty? Does this not suit your narrative?

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                                    @1st-Amendment:

                                    Only someone with no idea of running a successful business would say something like this.

                                    Real estate is one of the lower risk and easy to get into asset types, you just need the right money which Trump got from his family.

                                    Prince Charles can't legally call himself king today either even though I'll bet my house that he will be…

                                    But he is next in line to the throne. That's exactly what Biden is for president lol

                                    Where 'data and reports' means media opinion. FFS the graphs in your article even show GDP growth, employment growth and steadily rising wage growth, yet the headlines are they weren't dramatic enough so Orange Man Bad.

                                    What in the world are you on about, data is data and numbers are as unbiased as it gets. Do you know how to read a graph? The GDP growth never even surpassed Obama's growth rate and it ended up even lower (and extremely volatile too). The data is from the Federal Reserve, that's the highest quality and as unbiased as you can get.

                                    Did you look at the capital expenditures graph which highlights business investment? It has decreased consistently since the cuts lol (also from FRED)

                                    I notice that you didn't comment on the data about lifting people out of poverty? Does this not suit your narrative?

                                    Missed my reply for this one. You do realise that using the source you linked is from Trump's own administration? Might as well asked Trump himself. It has marginally decreased the poverty rate, at the cost of over $1.5 Trillion USD for the next 10 years. 1.5 Trillion to only decrease poverty by 0.9%? That's a pretty bad investment; these tax cuts have been proven time and time again to provide a short term boost, but after a few years lead to a decline in wealth redistribution. Must've flunked those economics courses m8

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                                      @Glorfendal:

                                      Real estate is one of the lower risk and easy to get into asset types, you just need the right money which Trump got from his family.

                                      Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force…

                                      But he is next in line to the throne. That's exactly what Biden is for president lol

                                      Not until the EC officially votes he isn't. But sure you're making up your own rules you may as well keep going…

                                      You do realise that using the source you linked is from Trump's own administration?

                                      Ah right, so when those same departments print something you like they're data, when they produce something that show Trump is a good light they are lies. This is gold…

                                      We won't go into the employment rates, or the polls that show the majority of Americans said they are better off since 2016, I imagine there some excuse why that isn't so either.
                                      We know how TDS works, thanks for yet another demonstration…

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            @1st-Amendment: Not saying they are worth any less than they are. They are in no doubt achievements. But the world cannot focus on just US pros. There are also some major cons…

          • +1 vote

            @1st-Amendment: https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-biggest-accomplishm...

            People can read through this and judge for themselves instead of reading cherry-picked bullet points by people on “both sides”.

            • +3 votes

              @smartazz104: Should we link to the website that recorded the inordinate amount of lies that the orangutan has spouted?

              • +1 vote

                @Boogerman: Maybe you could give us your list, off the top off you head, of 3 or 4 of Obama's greatest achievements?
                If you can't do this without looking it up, it tells you all you need to know about Obama's effectiveness as a leader.

                • +1 vote

                  @1st-Amendment: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claim...
                  In 1,331 days, President Trump has made 23,035 false or misleading claims
                  The Fact Checker’s ongoing database of the false or misleading claims made by President Trump since assuming office.

                  • +2 votes

                    @Boogerman: How does that compare to other politicians?

                    Also how's your Obama list coming along? The silence is deafening…

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                      @1st-Amendment: Withdrew troops from Afghanistan. Withdrew troops from Iraq.
                      Wars started by Republicans, on a lie

                      And let’s not forget Trump’s support of the war mongering Saudis, ‘exemplified’ by his indifference towards James Khashoggi’s murder

                      As for the Obama lies, please provide the link for the list that documents the number that is anywhere near that of the orangutan-in-chief

            • +1 vote

              @smartazz104: But those are also debatable as "accomplishments. The tax cuts do not reflect a progression in society, they significantly drove up inequality and the majority of the cuts were used in share buy-backs. It disproportionately benefited the already wealthy (trickle-down economics is a complete farce) which actually reduces the potential economic growth that could've been had if invested in education, healthcare, local communities, etc.

              More of a focus needs to be on giving everyone equal opportunities, tax cuts to corporations while people can't even afford to get basic human necessities does the opposite of this and in the end everyone loses.

              • +2 votes

                @Glorfendal: My post wasn't meant as a way to shine a positive light on the Trump administration's "achievements", rather it was just a way to show people a list from which they can draw their own conclusions, rather than having people post their own lists.

            • +2 votes

              @smartazz104:

              instead of reading cherry-picked bullet points

              Then posts a link to someone else's cherry picked list…

              My point was that I recited my list off the tip of my head because Trump did achieve some good results in just 4 years.
              If I do the same with Obama, I can recall ACA, and then nothing. So Obama, on the surface achieved less in 8 years than Trump did in 4, but Trump is the bad guy?
              Anyone can look up lists, what I'm interested in is, from the people who loved Obama, is why exactly? If you can't recall anything good without having to look it up the its likely he didn't do much at all. My hypothesis is that most people liked him because of his 'cool persona' over any policy, and the reason they hate Trump is for the same reason. He has a blunt and abrasive persona so people can't look past that to his policy achievements.

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            @1st-Amendment: The largest number of minorities and females on-staff of any president before him is another one. (So much for the idiotic cries of 'racist/misogynist'.) But don't underestimate the power of lamestream media to brainwash… just look at the nonsensical list below.

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          Most corrupt.

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        Can't speak much of his policies, but Obama's achievements were truly incredible:
        * 8 years of war
        * Record number of mass shootings
        * Record number of terrorist attacks
        * Record high insurance costs
        * Record high national debt
        * Lowest economy growth since 1970's
        * Almost 95 million Americans out of the labor force
        * Worst recovery since 1940's
        * Lowest homeownership rate in 51 years
        * Almost 13 million more on Food stamps
        * And over 43 million living in poverty
        * Received nobel peace prize, yet under his administration, there were 26,171 bombs dropped worldwide in 2016 alone.

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          But you looked it up.

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          Eeven Obma didn't know what he got that Peace Prize for.
          Trump actually negotiated 3 historic peace deals and gets snubbed. The Nobel Peace Prize is joke

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          Lol. Most of that was a result of having to clean up the mess left by Dubbya.
          And in 2020, the economy & employment was worse under Trump than at any time under Obama, along with national debt being the greatest in history

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            @Boogerman: Trump also set back the US a good 30 years in how he has completely destroyed foreign relations

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              @TEER3X:

              Trump also set back the US a good 30 years in how he has completely destroyed foreign relations

              Which part specifically? The Five eyes have grown more unified in recognition of the CCP threat in the Pacific, and Nato has lifted it's game to invest more security against the Russian threat. I really wonder what Weetbix packet you get your data from?

              If you have specific cases please post them.

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            @Boogerman:

            And in 2020, the economy & employment was worse under Trump than at any time under Obama

            That's quite provably false:
            https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=dow+jones
            https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-une...

            How does it feel that you've swallowed lies?

            Both were at record highs until Covid which affected the whole world, hardly the fault of any one leader.

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              @1st-Amendment: Yeah, people love to talk about how trump failed the US with the covid death rate and economy, but other countries are fairing far worse in those areas, yet the leaders aren't being criticised.

              Maybe these people will realise once Kamala takes power and the military industrial complex takes reigns again.

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                @MoeyDW2200: USA is in the top ten worldwide for per capita case rates & per capita death rates (populations over 100K)

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                  @Boogerman:

                  USA is in the top ten worldwide for per capita case rates & per capita death rates

                  Top ten? So 9 other countries with similar or higher rates? Is Trump also responsible for them too? Why do those 9 other countries get a pass, but Trump is the devil? TDS much?

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              @1st-Amendment: Stock market = economy. LOL.
              You’ve gotta stop skipping washing day & get those crusty stains off your Trump print bedsheets

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                @Boogerman:

                Stock market = economy. LOL.

                LOL….

                Lol…

                You make such good arguments. What is the stock market if not part of the economy smart one?

                TDS is strong with this one…

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                  @1st-Amendment: You could study first year economics
                  A well educated eloquent black man in The White House must have shattered your worldview. At least the knife block was out of reach for your own personal safety

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                    @Boogerman:

                    You could study first year economics

                    Check. Which part specifically?

                    A well educated eloquent black man in The White House must have shattered your worldview.

                    Yes I was expecting great things from him, but the delivered nothing other than ACA. Perhaps you could enlighten us to all the great things you think he achieved?

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                      @1st-Amendment: Signing up to the Paris agreement on climate was Obama’s greatest achievement which the scientifically illiterate orangutan undid. Oops, I forgot. You conservatives believe in 2000 year old fairytales & not that science rubbish

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                        @Boogerman:

                        Signing up to the Paris agreement on climate was Obama’s greatest achievement

                        What was great about it? What did it produce of value?
                        The destruction of the US economy in favour of the Chinese? Please tell me with your 1st year Economics education what specifically was 'great' about it?

                        You conservatives believe in 2000 year old fairytales & not that science rubbish

                        What a strange thing to say? Run out of ideas so fall back on the straw man?
                        I have a Science degree so feel free to send me the papers that reliably explain the function of CO2 emission to global temperature. I've read plenty of IPCC reports, and am yet to see it.
                        But don't just take my word for it: https://fabiusmaximus.com/2019/10/01/confessions-of-a-climat...
                        You see, real, actual, science allows questions, it encourages them. What is passing for 'science' these days, at least in the media is closer to religion.

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                          @1st-Amendment: Conservatives deny science. As. Night. Follows. Day
                          See, you need to understand that the ‘peer’ in peer review, means you don’t get a say unless you’re a ‘peer’. That is, you’re opinion means diddly squat. Reference a (outlier) climate scientist - Still irrelevant. Until they publish something for the scrutiny of peer review, their opinions also mean diddly squat.
                          Until you have the balls to publish in peer review, your opinion holds the same weight as the cleaner who wipes crap off toilet bowls
                          In the meantime, either request a refund on your science ‘degree’ or return to uni & be re-educated on the hypothetico-deductive method of scientific investigation

                          Then, once you understand that, instead of the typical scientific wilful ignorance & belief in sky fairies that goes hand in glove with conservative voting, you may then grasp the gravity of anthropogenic global warming & why the Paris agreement is more important than, say, 10.5% yearly economic growth. You’d also grasp that since the invention of the steam engine & the industrial revolution, the United States’ greenhouse gas emissions dwarfs that of most countries including China - toxic pollution which the US built its economy on, while dumping the externalities & deferred costs on everyone else.

                          What a relief that Biden is putting America’s big boy pants back on & returning to the climate table to take responsibility.

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                            @Boogerman:

                            See, you need to understand that the ‘peer’ in peer review, means you don’t get a say unless you’re a ‘peer’.

                            Lol that's the funniest shit I've heard all day.

                            Then, once you understand that, instead of the typical scientific wilful ignorance

                            I'm waiting for your function of CO2 to Global Temps? You know, actual science. Do you know how that works?
                            You keep saying it's about the science, so let's go. I told you that I have a Science degree so don't hold back.
                            What is the function of CO2 emissions to Global Temperature? In Scientific notation please…

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                              @1st-Amendment: Looking forward to your published peer reviewed study refuting the foundational evidence for anthropogenic global warming. Until then you’re a nobody with a nothing opinion, borne out of arrogance that you think your opinion matters. Which is just that - a baseless opinion

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                                @Boogerman: So you can't provide a simple formula? That's a weird definition of science you have there…

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                                  @1st-Amendment: Science is defined by a correlation? LOL
                                  When you wrote your supposed essays & research reports during your supposed science degree, you would have been required to cite peer reviewed research.
                                  Maybe you didn’t grasp what that was at the time - hence why you have joined the scientifically illiterate cheer squad…aka the Conservatives

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                                    @Boogerman: No formula. Got it…

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                                      @1st-Amendment: No idea about peer review & the empirical evidence of anthropogenic global warming. Got it
                                      Another ‘informed individual’ proudly produced by the Parler echo chamber

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                  @1st-Amendment: FMD. Would love to see where in an economics degree or economics major that the Dow Jones/NASDAQ/S&P is used as a measure of a country’s economy

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                    @Boogerman: I already explained this to you. I can't help you if you can't read.

                    So you not only you don't know science, you also don't know basic economics…

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                      @1st-Amendment: No you didn’t explain - feel free to demonstrate how stock market indices demonstrate the ‘health’ of an economy. The USA stock market was near all time highs, while in recession with mass unemployment. Hence, you fail to grasp the most basic of economic measures

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                        @Boogerman:

                        The USA stock market was near all time highs, while in recession with mass unemployment

                        Of course it was because you said so. Is this the robust Science method you prescribe to? Just say stuff and becomes truth?

                        Hence, you fail to grasp the most basic of economic measures

                        Logic is not you strong suit either. If you going to offer a conclusion you need a premise that is based on reality.

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                          @1st-Amendment: Sky fairy believers sermonising about logic, science & reality. Too funny.

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                            @Boogerman: So you can't find any evidence to support your position so resort to ad hominem. The standard pattern of the left…

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                              @1st-Amendment: It was provided, you ignored it. Standard modus operandi of the fact avoiding & science denying right