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Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus from $61,425 Delivered + On Road Costs (Was $64,425 + On Road Costs) @ Tesla

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Tesla have once again done us all proud by slashing the price of the Model 3’s.

Standard Range Plus $59,900 (was $62,900)
Long Range $73,400 (was $77,900)
Performance $84,900 (was $93,900)

Prices above exclude on-road costs (varying per state)
and Tesla’s mandatory $1375 delivery fee + $150 ordering fee.

The Tesla Corporate Program will waive a further $1375 on delivery fees.

This is a record-breaking year for Model 3 deliveries and Australia still have more ships coming from Shanghai.

Drive-Away Prices with State Discounts on the SR+:

VIC: $61,968
NSW (starting 1 Sep): $59,473

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        • I remember seeing 68k somwhere.

      • New Hyundai looks mad, I'd get that over this bucket anytime

    • +2

      General question but at what price range do you all think would result in a significant increase in Telsa 3s on the road?

      Hybrid vehicle uptake was never great, because they typically cost an extra $x and to recover that in fuel savings would take y years.

      The fuel savings with electric are bigger, but the cost recovery time is still much longer.

      • +3

        Hybrid vehicles are doing well here. Corollas and Camry models cost $1500 more for the hybrid model. It’s a no brainer now, pure petrol is the minority for new sales.

        From the article: Hybrid models accounted for 68.5 per cent of Toyota RAV4 sales, 70 per cent of Toyota Camry sales and 53.9 per cent of Toyota Corolla sales in Australia in 2020.

        https://www.caradvice.com.au/913105/vfacts-2020-record-year-…

        • +2

          Hybrid vehicles are doing well here

          Sure, but the article only mentions toyota sales (who happens to be a leaders in hybrid cars). I think regular ICE cars still outnumber hybrid.

          • +1

            @salmon123: Those numbers would have been higher if they could build them fast enough. The RAV4 Hybrids have a waiting of 6-9 months and customers don't like to wait that long. Once they are readily available the numbers will be higher. A year old car sells for higher than the purchase price.

        • I wonder what the sales figures for Hybrids will look like in Victoria after they copped for both EV km tax and fuel excise.

          • +1

            @nomadspartan: The Victoria tax won’t affect Toyota hybrids (which are what the posts above you are mostly referring to). The tax only applies to plug in hybrids, which Toyota currently does not sell much (any?) of.

    • +4

      I reckon sub 50k. Great second car, but Aussies still love a good roadtrip, and the infrastructure isn't quite there yet.

      • Yep was thinking about this too! Luckily when you venture out of metro, a lot of petrol stations are attached to some sort of fast food restaurant so you could potentially charge whilst grabbing food.

        There are certain REITs that focus on purchasing petrol station sites so I'll look into their plans

      • +6

        When is the last time you checked a charging map? I think you would be pleasantly surprised..

        • I used to live near Tesla dealership in Sydney. Yes there are dozens of charging points at strategic locations (in Sydney alone, and some along travel corridors) but in terms of supporting anything remotely resembling a decent mass of cars it's not remotely what it will need to be. It's a chicken and egg situation of sorts, gradual progression is the only economical way forward which is fine but it does mean it will be some time before a realistic option for most. But we are edging closer each year!

          • +1

            @Xizor: This is the fast charging network as it exists now: https://i.imgur.com/6UEGHCM.png

            This is the fast charging network if you include all sites which are under development (primarily SA, WA, Qld governments) https://i.imgur.com/fST2p0A.png

            Then also consider there are probably organisations out there who have not publicised their plans.

            NSW govt is also proposing another $120m+ on charging stations but locations aren't known so they aren't on this map.

            • @chuq: Damn, that map of chargers in development is awesome…Outback QLD trips might still be a thing… whats the towing like on a model 3?

          • @Xizor:

            Yes there are dozens of charging points at strategic locations

            Dozens? There's nearly 6 million registered vehicles in NSW alone, yet the problem of scale never seems to be taken into account.

        • +1

          For me, it would be the likelihood of the charger being in use and having to wait in a line for it.

          • @kulprit: In my experience (m3 since 2019) this hasn't really been an issue on roadtrips — upside of not many EVs being on the road I guess. Never had to wait in line yet.

            Of course it will be interesting to see how this changes as EV uptake increases, hopefully we'll see a proportionate increasing in charging stations to meet demand. From what I've seen, in the Tesla-happy areas of California even the massive supercharger locations with 40+ chargers can get busy on a long weekend

      • Yeah spot on, especially the road trips. Infrastructure needs massive improvements, many many multitudes so, before its realistic for critical mass. But it's thats just the way it has to be slowly progressing given we're a small population on a large land mass with only a dozen or so decent size cities with large distances between.

      • -1

        agree, and im still not totally comfortable with a battery which cannot be replaced and it (as Tesla told me) only degrades by about 8% in 7 years. Whilst there is some commentary on build quality (lets face it, its an electric Toyota Corolla in reality), i really want one…i just dont want to pay $160k for a family SUV (like the model X)

      • +5

        I don't care about range at all.

        We're a 2-car family so the rare road trip can be done in the other car.

        Give me a cheap little electric that can do 50ks for school drop offs, shopping, etc and just plug in when it's at home.

        Frustrates me so much cost is going into making long range electrics when my use case is so common, and a much better fit for the current tech.

        • +2

          Maybe someone could market electric tuk-tuks, but what would they call them? Because they wouldn't sound right anymore 😎

        • +1

          $10k for a used Original Nissan Leaf should suit you fine

          • @Steptoe: Cheers, this (or similar 2nd hand miev or whatever) will probably be my next car.

      • +1

        Try website A Better Route Planner for any mainstream trip and you might be surprised what already exists.

        https://abetterrouteplanner.com/

    • +2

      Sub 50k for the long range variant would be the trigger for me. Really need that range in Australia.

    • what price range do you all think would result in a significant increase in Telsa 3s on the road?

      When they get priced lower than petrol competitors.

      • +5

        They already are cheaper than direct petrol competitors.

        Ain't no 60k petrol care with as much acceleration, safety, cool tech, high resale value, and low maintenance cost as a Tesla.

        And no, they don't need to have a cheaper upfront cost if the ongoing costs of fuel and servicing are lower.

        • Well, the way I see it, $60k is just way too much, when I can buy an ole'reliable Corolla which won't give me any headaches for $30k.

          ongoing costs of fuel

          This is only valid if the government is never going to start taxing your EV based on km/s, or make recharge stations free forever. Just look at Victoria…

          servicing are lower.

          Well, if you buy a car that needs constant servicing (like Audi, BMW or a Merc), then you deserve high ongoing costs. Never heard a Camry or a Corolla owner complain about servicing costs. Also, once EVs start breaking down (as any car will with age), everything is electronic and proprietary, so you will have to pay whatever price for the service the Tesla asks you to, compared to getting a fair market price at your favorite mechanic.

          My used Corolla has set me back less than $10000 in the last 5 years in initial cost, repairs and whatever fees the government is forcing on me, excluding petrol. There is no way I am touching an electric car market in the next 5-10 years.

          • @Blue Cat: Last Toyota was a corrola and the inherent electric faults became a significant issue. Traded in and not gone back to the brand since. Another friend had the next MY model swapped eventually under a lemon condition after being out of action for most of a year. To there credit they had a loaner.

            So in my experience the brand can be hit or miss. They are leading the pack in hybrids which is probably a better fit to the Australian market..

          • -2

            @Blue Cat:

            Well, if you buy a car that needs constant servicing (like Audi, BMW or a Merc), then you deserve high ongoing costs. Never heard a Camry or a Corolla owner complain about servicing costs. Also, once EVs start breaking down (as any car will with age), everything is electronic and proprietary, so you will have to pay whatever price for the service the Tesla asks you to, compared to getting a fair market price at your favorite mechanic.

            My used Corolla has set me back less than $10000 in the last 5 years in initial cost, repairs and whatever fees the government is forcing on me, excluding petrol. There is no way I am touching an electric car market in the next 5-10 years.

            Anecdotes are fun, aren't they.

            I had 2 Toyotas over 7 years and while they were cheap to service, I was constantly replacing various bits and pieces. Little things like electrical failures (window switch, some tail light wiring, a dead power window motor, more than two dead sensors), broken AC (not out of gas - actually broken), alternators dying earlier than they should. So yes it was cheap to buy and service, but all those little things added up to quite a bit of money, and there was a level of anxiety driving those cars, with "what's going to break next" constantly in the back of my mind.

            The next car I had for 6 years was a four-year-old, out of warranty, 6cyl BMW and the only thing I had to replace between when I bought it and when I sold it was brakes & oil filters, not done at BMW but a local Euro car mechanic at half the price BMW dealerships charge.

            It's okay if you personally don't like the idea of driving a German-made car, but perpetuating the "car that needs constant servicing (like Audi, BMW or a Merc)" myth just makes you sound ignorant at best, petty at worst.

            And FWIW we have no attachment to German-made, and we'll probably jump ship to Tesla once our current car (VW) is out of warranty, but the hate against German cars is pretty silly.

            • @morris86: are you in Sydney?
              which local Euro car mechanic was this?
              i want to know, for servicing needs.

        • that resale value will only drop, once more and more people have the cars
          and there are competitors in the market.
          Then again, it depends on so many other factors, eg. COVID, exchange rate, rare earths markets, Tesla software etc.

    • However much RAV4 hybrids are - they have no probably selling out!

    • +1

      Public chargers are expensive compared to home charging. e.g.

      At Tesla’s network of 40+ supercharging points scattered around Australia, the rate is $0.52/kWh

      How Much Does EV Charging Cost In Australia?

      how we can mitigate increasing electricity costs

      An [estimate for the US][(https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/05/electric-vehicles-h…) was that if they went to 100% electric cars it would increase their electricity usage by 20%. Since the full transition to electric cars will probably take decades, there are larger factors for electricity pricing like population growth and transition away from coal fired generation.

      Saying Telsa 3 as that's probably the most mainstream and likely to take off

      In Australia small SUVs and hatchbacks sell very well so I think the Tesla Y and upcoming hatchback model that is rumoured would sell much better when available in Australia.

      • Thanks for the links and insight, very interesting.

        For SUVs I'd imagine the price points would be a little too high to justify adoption by those who are accepting but not sold yet.

        I'd be curious about whether people are buying hatchbacks because of the compact size or moreso due to the price being lower than sedans.

        • I was referring to the small SUV category. The Tesla model Y is (roughly speaking) a model 3 with a different body. The prices in China are abut the same. (In the US the Y is more expensive, because it's in higher demand right now. Tesla strongly manipulates the prices so that sales figures match manufacturing).

          Hatchbacks are the dominant small vehicle body type. From what I see on the road, small cars that come in both hatchback and sedan like the Corolla and Impreza, there are far more hatchbacks than sedans. I think for most small car buyers price (and fuel economy) are the main factors, but for a lot of people a small car is all they need and parking is easier in tight city streets and underground garages.

          The Tesla hatchback rumours suggest a price point of US$25,000. Take that number with grain of salt. The Model 3 had a price point of US$35,000, but for a long time they only sold higher value models. I would interpret it as ending up around 25-30% cheaper than the equivalent level model 3.

    • +1

      I see plenty around the Gold Coast, I feel like I see as many model 3s as I do the rival C class, 3 series etc.

    • +1

      The wishes of many may well come true pretty soon. BYD EA1, supposedly sub $35k.

      Once that is available, if someone has a place to charge (either home or at work), and has 2 cars in the family (keep 1 ICE for towing / long distance while chargers are scarce), they would have to be brain-dead to still buy a new Corolla or other ICE at similar price point.

      Tesla has no intention of serving that market for now (despite what Musk says about US$25k models), just like BMW doesn't sell new cars at that price point. Why would they if factories are flat out cranking out more profitable vehicles.

    • The supporting infrastructure is more important than price to result in a significant increase. If every parking spot at your workplace had an electric charger, it would be a much larger incentive than a few thousand off.

  • +3

    If you are a CPA or member of the corporate partnership program the deliver fee is waived (I’m also sure some of you can probably do some clever/creative accounting to claim deductions - I’m going to be using mine for an Uber etc)

    • +1

      Does anyone have a list of which companies and organisations are in the corporate program?

      • I asked if there was one and I don’t think there is as it keeps changing (I asked a guy at sales and he said there wasn’t a list as such). CPAs were only added a couple of weeks ago.

      • If you belong to a professional organisation which gives you access to Member Advantage, you should qualify.

      • Deloitte is part of the corporate program.

    • +1

      Does driving for Uber qualify to waive the delivery fee? What sort of information do Tesla need to apply this?

  • +37

    What advantages does this motorcar have over say, a train - which I could also afford?

    • +7

      A train can't park in your garage

      • +3

        How do you know?

    • -1

      It’s bigger?

    • -2

      You can buy a train??? Well this one you can drive on a road, not sure where you can ride your train.. guess you'll need a rail network that's works with it,… 😅

      • +3

        Simpsons quote…

    • +2

      Well Count ireadtetmsofuse, shall we discuss the…

    • you go wherever you want at the time you want?

    • Simpson eh.

  • Is click and collect available?

    • +16

      I'm pretty sure that's actually how you order the car.

  • +2

    How much is it to install a charging port at home?

    • +5

      It’s about $1000ish for the setup

    • +8

      just use the cable provided and plug into regular 10a socket in your garage. you can upgrade to 15amp socket to get higher charge rate. the 10a will be enough for most Australian's for daily run.

      • Would an overnight charge be better?

        • +2

          if you have multi tariff system, normally night is the best time to charge. assuming the draw of 8a, you will get 14km/h charge. You can set the charge hours on the car itself

          If you happen to work from home, and have solar, probably get a smart socket that can sense solar output so that it charges the car with excess instead of going into grid? (i have not look further into this but believe it's possible)

          Of course you can go fancy and get a zappi wall charger that does sensing and etc, but thats like a 3k expense which could be hard to justify for most

          • @jmel: Can you give any example of smart socket that can sense solar output? Thank u

        • Slower is believed to be better for batteries in general. LFP batteries are likely more robust when heat comes into play though. LFP is in the SR.

      • You need to upgrade more than just the socket.
        Do not go to Bunnings and buy a 15 amp socket to change from your 10 amp one!

  • +6

    Love Tesla build quality, panels fit well and the car doesn't feature lots of plastic - said no one ever

    • +7

      Tesla has improved a lot (starting from a low base). The Made in China Model 3 are much better and you wouldn't expect to see any gaps

    • +3

      I acknowledge the panel gaps were an issue initially, but I’ve heard Tesla has worked out the issues and that the quality of the car from China is actually better than it’s American factory.

    • +8

      Come back and comment when you actually own one.

      • -4

        Why would I own one? They have severe quality issues and I don't live in an area where EV's are convenient (for example, no where to charge, kind of important aspect of owning Ev ma'am). Stop trolling please

        • +7

          most tesla owner charge at home. supercharger or destination charger is for trips

          severe quality issue is true if you are still living in 2018/9. But with the new made in china model, maybe you can update the wording potential quality issue which is going to be a headache to get fixed. customer service is probably a more valid concern as it's quite bad in australia.

          • -8

            @jmel: I'll stick with my 2020 X5 M thanks :)

            • +4

              @OzBaggins: Good on you for your vote, but a BMW as an example of quality build? - C what you think in 5 years time.

              • @RockyRaccoon: I trade in every 3 years, no need to worry about past 5 years! As you may not be aware, a lot of people with German vehicles trade every few years / within warranty km periods. So far hasn't skipped a beat, happy to let you know if it changes though in case you're in the market for one.

            • +3

              @OzBaggins: 2020?i would just keep it until the warranty expires and by then there will be plenty of ev to choose from.

              My bmw falls apart (roof liner droop, leaking oil, leaky windscreen and more) within 5 years with less than 100k on the clock. But then that was ages ago. They must have improved. Sounds familiar?

              • -1

                @jmel: For the record I never claimed that BMW were perfect. Every single manufacturer has their flaws and faults, personally BMW suits my needs opposed to an EV right now (current time, who knows what will happen with EV development I'll worry about that when I'm in the market for a new car).

                Check this article out: https://www.caradvice.com.au/927693/tesla-jaguar-alfa-romeo-…

                BMW is ABOVE the industry average, notice how tesla is 4th from the bottom? Literally bottom of the barrel lol

                • @OzBaggins: never said you did. just in the context of how manufacturer improve over time.

                  I am waiting for toyota to bring in bZ4x, and if they maintain their existing car building quality/process, i would expect this to be of high quality. Only problem with toyota is their software lives in dinosaur age. Tesla is years ahead in software. So the koreans may be the right balance? who knows, time will tell

                  • +1

                    @jmel: Korean car manufacturers are kicking goals currently imo, offering bang for buck vehicles at an acceptable price tag with great after sale support/warranty etc

                    • +1

                      @OzBaggins: Yeah the Korean manufacturers are really great quality, knowingly selling cars with engines that can seize and combust at any moment.

                      When you suffer the same issue here in Australia they say it's your fault and tell you to go away, forcing you to take the loss or bring the case to civil court. I did the latter for my situation and won after a year (brand new engine) but they'd rather take people on 1 by 1 and risk lives than do the right thing. Such great after sale support and warranty…

                      https://www.classaction.org/blog/hyundai-kia-engine-fires-cl…

                • +1

                  @OzBaggins: Those E60 M5s shudder

                • +1

                  @OzBaggins: Seems like you are quite satisfied with your BMW?

            • @OzBaggins: Flex much?

    • +2

      Hah at first i thought you were serious.

      then I finished the sentence. well played

      Tesla has terrible build quality…..says so many online car review websites and bloggers

      • +3

        Yep, maybe they'll get there "soon" but I don't think they are there yet.

        • To compete in the market they will eventually or go broke

    • +3

      The reviews you’re seeing are from earlier Model 3’s. Yes, the panel alignment was horrible - however go into a Service Centre yourself and you’ll see how much you’re going to regret this comment after they’ve switched to MIC for the Australian market.

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