Don't know if this can be considered a deal, warranty is dealer backed 7year with kinda meh finance interest rate. Specs are alright. Just posting for awareness. Top spec is around 50k drive away.
Est. delivery: July 2022
Mod: Added driveaway prices from website.
@Deviner: Yeah, Mitsi. For a gen 1 it's a brilliant effort. But unfortunately the 2021 still has the same problems (with different cells). Friends in Qld have also replaced their batteries in a Tesla. Very similar degradation curves if you compare on a 'per cycle' basis. Very similar pattern (not as bad to be fair) with accelerated degradation over summer. I think it's radiant heat from the road, and when parked is when the heat soak takes effect. In motion the Mitsi has AC battery cooling and the Tesla water cooling, so all good. Some smoke n mirror stuff going on with BMS updates in both camps. But we both now have warranty replacements.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love my car and I do 800+ km drives out into the outback frequently. Nothing else on the market will allow me to do this, and still use 100% electric in all city driving. I'm getting close to 200 000kms in it and everything is basically still in brand new specifications (except for the battery). Can't wait till their is an electric (water cooled battery) 4WD car that does 1000km range.
@tunzafun001: I know of some of the earlier Model S's are now getting to the age where a battery replacement is on the cards.
Although if your mate's was in warranty, I wonder did they just get some bad luck with it.
With the heat issue, a Tesla should still monitor the battery temps via the BMS to cool it, even when parked up - which I assume most EV's do.
Lots of people questioning now why they're losing several % battery when they've left their car and most of that is due to regulating temps in the hot weather.
But yeah, not having to deal with any of that is surely better in the long run you would think.
But on the Mitsi, 800km drives is pretty impressive!
I think those kind of numbers are what will possibly tip some people over the edge who are still sitting on the fence about switching away from ICE - that and the spiralling petrol prices…
And yeah, an actual, proper 4WD EV with a big range would be a game changer here.
The Rivian R1S or R1T could be an option in the future, but it looks like it's going to be pretty pricey and the range probably still wouldn't cut it out in the bush - I think it's 450-500km.
@Deviner: Yeah thats it mate. You need to factor in battery cooling + cooling yourself into range calculations.
As for the BMS cooling, it can only do so much during extended 40C heatwaves over roads that are around 80C. Then charging stations rarely have covers. So full sun heating the car during DC charging is a bad combination. Then if you get in and floor it…even worse.
The driving experience is brilliant, but i hope a newer battery tech pops up soon.
As for the Rivian, it looks good..but spicey pricey! So for now the Mitsi PHEV is still king for me, but Mitsi will be making a loss on many of them i would think.
Air conditioned cooling doesn’t affect EVs the way it impacts petrol cars. And for large parts of the country, air conditioning is used far more
@Boogerman: I havent looked but wouldn't it be aircon either way? As in, use a heap pump to either heat or cool. (reverse cycle air con).
Extremely doubtful that this will match a Model 3 SR+ on the highway (which does about 340km @110kmh, 400@100kmh).
I really didn't know that 10km/hr more would drop the range by that much.
@kulprit: It does. Gearing is optimised for 100kmh avg). I actually beat tested range on my trip to work, which is 70/30 freeway/city streets, and get around 450km in a SR+, but can't get close to rated range in a Model S.
@[Deactivated]: While gearing is important, I thought the main impact on range when you're going above 90kph was more to do with drag being a function of velocity squared. Meaning going from 100kph to 110kph takes roughly 20% more engery, hence a hit on range.
@[Deactivated]: Unlikely, even the LR version has 420km range by WLTP compared to 491km for model 3 SR+.
@kulprit: Electric motors have about the same high efficiency right across their power and rev range. Petrol engines have poor efficiency at low loads, but it improves if the engine is asked for more power. It only falls if the engine is asked to rev hard because frictional losses escalate dramatically.
So being asked to do 110 instead of 100 will decrease the range of an EV by about 20%**, and will be particularly noticeable because EVs already have a short range and a long refueling time. But it will barely effect the fuel consumption of a petrol car or increase how often and how long you have to stop to refuel for. Ditto things like running air conditioners and towing trailers/vans/boats.
(**Aerodynamic drag, and therefore the power required to overcome it, goes up by the cube of the speed increase. It takes 8 times as much power to go 2 times as fast. Or 30% more power to go 10% faster. But you're going 10% faster, so your rate of fuel used per kilometer only goes up 20%.)
@GordonD: Electric motors have the same high power across the rpm range, but not the same efficiency. Although the difference is way less than in a ICE, it still exists.
This is why the are still electric cars bring made with gearboxes. It's not for performance, it's for efficiency/range.
@NotaDeal: OK, if you're going to nit pick. I clearly said "about" the same high efficiency. ABOUT! So I was clearly pointing to there being some difference, though not a a large enough one to waste time pointing out to OzBargainers.
Whereas you said they produce "the same high power across the rpm range". They produce about the same TORQUE across most of the rev range, then it starts falling off. Torque is not the same as power. Power is torque times revs. The same torque at higher revs is more power.
The only production EV I'm aware of with a multi-speed gearbox is the Porsche Taycan and its sister under the skin Audi. The result may be slightly better motor efficiency at highway speeds, but it is at the expense of more losses in the gearbox at all speeds, and doesn't appear to translate to that vehicle achieving better range than, say, a Tesla. My understanding was that it was primarily done to get more power at lower road speeds - sportiness - while not losing out on being able to achieve the highest possible top speed, which Tesla wasn't that interested in, except for its sports car, and decided that it wasn't worth the trouble. As motors improve the simplest configuration, a direct drive motor for each wheel with not just no multi-speed gearbox but not even a reduction gearset, is looking like it will be the best solution in a world where there are speed limits nearly everywhere.
Model 3 SR+ has a 491km range by WLTP, this one is 320km/420km for standard/LR versions.
That's NEDC for the "Extended Range" version.
Regular is 400 NEDC, 320 WLTP. More than the ZS EV, but not as much.
I went with meat pies fuel and bicycle
You could do a hybrid with an ebike.
Powered by electricity & meat pies!
BYD is superior to MG both in specs and pedigree/tech. BYD is the largest EV maker in china and makes all sorts of electric passenger cars taxis and buses
Here are the figures from the specs section on the website:
Standard Variant 320km WLTP 400km NEDC
Extended Range Variant 420km WLTP 480km NEDC
The WLTP figure is the current standard and is closer to reality than NEDC (but still quite optimistic). For comparison, here are the Tesla Model 3 WLTP ratings:
RWD: 491km WLTP
Long Range: 602km WLTP
Performance: 547km WLTP
As a guide, expect real world range to be 10% lower than the WLTP rating with city driving, 20% lower with highway driving.
For now MG definitely.
As I see it the main issue is with the importer than the car. It is an unknown/small company with no prior history in importing or servicing cars with just a single B&M showroom and a website for online sales. Few months ago they were making bold claims and issuing multiple media releases about building a factory in the Southern Highlands to assemble Electric Buses from BYD and few days ago the whole thing fizzled out big time as it was discovered they didn't have either the financial backing or the expertise to do this without government grants. Perhaps the whole MO could have been about receiving government funding and surprisingly the state gov or the Feds didn't take the bait of creating thousands of "manufacturing jobs" which tells something about this company.
Getting back to this car, they don't even have a single RHD example on the shopfloor and made false claims about 5 star ANCAP rating when not a single car had been imported or tested in Australian spec. At the moment they are just trying to collect deposits with the promise of a car delivered in 5-6 months time. BYD is a massive Chinese conglomerate that you can trust but this importer not so much. Who knows if they didn't get enough interest/deposits so they could present their business case to BYD to make these in RHD for Australia the whole venture could go the way their Electric buses went.
Just watch a series on Netflix about Delorean bilking the UK government out of millions (like over £100 million in the late '70's, early '80's. Personally pocketed a big hunk of it and came back asking for more.
I believe in China this mode is called Yuan or Yuan Plus, it is a popular model under BYD in the Chinese market.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/2022-byd-atto-3-price-and-spec…
rating is 480km NEDC (Not Even Darned Close) meaning its more closer to 330-350km in real world
Depends if you are willing to trust your life with corner cutting cheap Chinese brands. The correct answer is niether
BYD? Bring your dollars (once warranty runs out)
hope it's not … Bye You're Dead (once accident happen)
Or "Bang, You're Dead"
really? i would think parts would be way easier to get (from taobao/aliexpress etc) due to the sheer volume in china…
Do you really want critical parts of your car coming from those dodgy sellers and not the manufacturer?
No, but in my experience, but functional parts are almost never made by 3rd parties, you'd buy them just like how you can buy/order parts from your local dealers here.
China is awash with fake engine parts. Do you really want a month for the part to arrive, only to realise it is fake, has no warranty … or the seller shipped the wrong part?
engine? it's an EV. it's literally a battery, a drivetrain, and a computer
Warranty terms, conditions and exclusions apply.
Warranty Information: You can get further details regarding the Battery and Vehicle Warranties by contacting [email protected]
Yeah, nah. I'm betting the warranty is rubbish and/or below market standard.
Also, not a deal for $45K. Low 30s maybe
It's sold from a .au domain, it has ACL coverage.
It's likely world beating quality. You want to put it up against US cars lol?
US car? The Tesla Gigafactory 3 located in Shanghai, China.
"likely" world beating
Totally agree, warranty is only as good as the car importer, if importer goes out of business warranty means nothing
BYD - Best you don't (buy?) lol
Build your dreams debt
finally can buy byd in Australia.
yep they produce battery for Tesla and OEM for many brands. SO i reckon their car should have best quality of battery .
yeah best battery
BYD absolutely do not produce batteries for Tesla yet (they may in the future). Tesla buys LFP batteries from a different Chinese company called CATL for use in their standard range Model 3 & Y.
Interesting that they buy batteries when they make their own. Just for the cheaper cars, to save money I guess.
@rhino015: It's a result of a long saga regarding LFP patents that were licensed to various Chinese companies by the University of Texas about 15 years ago, preventing LFP development by Western companies.
An interesting read if you have the time.
@DmytroP: That depends entirely on how you define it. Tesla would be the second biggest battery manufacturer behind CATL if you consider the Panasonic 2170 operations which take place in the Arizona factory to be Tesla operations. They are made by Panasonic, exclusively for Tesla, inside a Tesla factory, in parallel with Tesla owned battery lines. Tesla also has a fully operational battery factory in California making the next generation 4680 cells. They recently celebrated their millionth cell produced, and these are going into Model Ys from the Texas factory right now.
I’ve been waiting for Nio
Just posting for awareness.
Yeah…not a deal…
Yeah not a deal. Also seems to be $47,110.35 Drive away in Sydney, so not only is it not a deal, the driveway price is misleading.
Drive Away Price $47,131.55 in victoria for the standard version. I think the title should be changed to "before on road costs"
Interesting. Looks like a good price for the specs.
Thanks, got 3
I’m going to get 10 and build a fort, hook up some solar panels and fly to the moon.
Wish they didn't completely mess up the interior design….
Yeah that giant tablet not even slightly integrated, horrible white 'leather'.. yuck
Not even mentioning the tweeters than come out from the door. And still don't even seem to be pointing at the front seats!
the 'leather', reminds me of the sides of a whale. disgusting.
Battery Type BYD Blade Battery
—the safest battery
Are these eneloop batteries,? Got a charger if so…
Personally not a fan, the top spec has a lower range than the cheapest Tesla model 3 and the price difference isn't that large.
Certainly not a deal when it was marketed to be in the $30K range!
Now that would be a real deal.
Was expecting 35 or maybe 38. Not same as MG price
Actually more than the MG. Drive Away Price quoted for Perth is $47931…
why would you pay more for the MG which is a much inferior car?
I think ppl mistakenly think MG is the original MG company so more trustworthy, when really it’s the same deal, just a Chinese company doing their own thing.
That price was for the Dolphin hatchback.
Incorrect, it was for the (Yuan Plus) aka as the Atto 3.
https://evcentral.com.au/small-medium-35k-suv-to-lead-byd-ev…
Yes. I hadn't seen that.
I agree, this doesn't compete with a Corolla Sedan Hybrid for $31k D/A. You'll never make up the difference in fuel and servicing costs, not to mention the likely superior resale value and lifespan of the Corolla.
this is about the selling price in China where Model 3 is about $50K
That doesn’t change the fact that they were quoted saying “in the $30,000’s” in the local market and we were meant to be getting some groundbreaking battery warranty. Neither have come to the party.
Wasn't that a standard Chinese marketing thingy ? like Aliexpress you see a $1 deal ad and click in always goes back up $10…
7 year warranty seems not bad. Good that more and more car manufacturers offer longer warranty.
Just note this isn't manufacturer warranty, it's a dealer backed warranty contracted to my car (ex Kmart tyre and auto).
Do they repair electric cars?
mycar is now German-owned by a parts manufacturer that makes parts for Mercedes and BMW.
Doesn't exactly inspire confidence when servicing is done through mycar. Also who is going to stock spare parts when needed? Will there be a two week wait because winter is here and I needed a new set of wipers.
I thought your argument was sound until I read to where you talked about wipers…of all the things in a car, you go on about wipers. Go to a Repco if you're older than 16 and put it on yourself.
They check ID to sell wipers?
Hyperbole. Dude, as if it's the frickin wipers he really cares about
You have seen a footprint of a mycar store yes? Their office is typically a tiny counter, they keep very little stock on hand and yet they are going to be a front for BYD.
Whilst a wiper is one of the most basic part on a vehicle, mycar stores barely have enough room to keep wipers, what makes you think they going to keep any of the more specialised parts of an EV? Any part required will be at least a few days wait if they can ship from an Australian warehouse, or worse still, a month or so wait from China. Knowing some of the smaller car marques they don't exactly have strong logistics (Ssangyong will quote 2 weeks from Sydney to Perth).
Our neighbour bought a new Jaguar early last year that cost around 170k.
The air-conditioner stopped working just before xmas and after 8 weeks he's still waiting for Jaguar Australia to get the required parts, in what has been Perth's hottest summer on record.
It doesn't what brand you go with - you can expect delays for parts regardless
@tight-ass: Not exactly true. If he had bought a Lexus they would have flown him an air compressor from Japan in about a week. The strength of parts supply is dependent on the brand and how seriously they take their supply chain. Of course when doing so it adds complexities and cost but also brings goodwill and convenience to the customers.
Even at the height of COVID lockdown around the world Mercedes Benz was chartering whole flights to ensure vehicles (passenger and commercial) were kept running and on the road. Not all companies have delays in getting parts. Just lazy distributors who don’t invest in the logistics to shorten the lead time. Had it been me supplying the Jaguar air con compressor he could have it in two weeks that’s the advantage of having a strong logistics chain.
Yeah you’d just have to hope the parts are copies of some other car so that you can get the same parts. If it’s all different, you’d struggle to find many places that keep stock of the parts
Warren Buffett approves this investment
he knows people love cheap shit, especially the mainlanders
New electric cars are very interesting.
But you seem to be lost. Not a "bargain".
im already getting second hand embarassment from the people who drive a car that says "build your dream" front and centre (on the back)
I love the irony of saying "front and centre" to refer to the back of a car.
(You're right, I'm not saying you're phrasing anything wrong, just found it funny.)
fk me does it really say build your dreams on the back of the car? that's fugly as shit.
omg the interior is tacky as. the ldv/saic cards are nice inside. byd must be the ugly cousin.
Yeah the performance model comes with 'Live Laugh Love' badges
Should be Live Laugh Liao in neon.
Haha that was funny in LTT
That's "made in and designed in China" for you lol
7.3 sec 0-100. You're welcome.
![[Pre Order] BYD Atto 3 Electric Car from $44,990 Drive Away (NSW $47,110, VIC $47,131, QLD $45,984) @ EVDirect](https://files.ozbargain.com.au/n/24/684124.jpg?h=8060ae7b)
@tunzafun001: Third battery replacement in 9 years? Are you driving a Nissan Leaf?
The Leaf unfortunately set a really bad marker for EVs and the general consensus around them needing constant, expensive, battery replacements due to their lack of cooling.
If not a Leaf, I'm keen to know what it is that's been that problematic.
And BYD are leading the battery game for a long time and provide batteries for some of the big hitters, so I would be extremely surprised if they suddenly started having battery issues now.
EDIT: I just saw your other post referring to driving a PHEV - that's still not a great comparison seeing as that's not an EV and the battery in a PHEV is a completely different make-up and you're also comparing 9yo PHEV technology to the absolute latest EV technology.
It is it an Outlander perhaps?