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[NSW] Free Tickets to Royal Easter Show for Children 5-11 Who Get COVID-19 Vaccines 1-18 April at Olympic Park @ NSW Government

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[NSW] Free Tickets to Royal Easter Show for Children 5-11 Who Get COVID-19 Vaccines 1-18 April at Olympic Park @ NSW Government
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Hope this isn’t going to be too controversial.

From the NSW government website

Every child aged 5 to 11 who gets a COVID-19 vaccine at the Sydney Olympic Park Vaccination Centre between 1 – 18 April 2022 will receive a free children’s ticket to the Sydney Royal Easter Show for use at any time during the show (8 – 19 April, subject to capacity).

Consent is required from a parent or guardian at booking and at the appointment. If the parent or guardian is unable to attend the appointment, a nominated accompanying adult can be identified during the booking process.

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            • MasterScythe on 05/04/2022 - 13:09
              +1

              @m0tyrider:

              You are wrong if you think the 'known risks' of the vaccine are 'treatable'

              Which known ones, are not? Our treatment was very effective.

              Nobody cares if you had a reaction. You get treated like an outcast.

              No, that's a sign of a bad GP. A very bad GP.
              If he\she is telling you they don't care; then go elsewhere.

              I aknowledge this is a very personal question, so feel free to not answer; but what treatment plan were you put on?
              We have a vaccine injury very close to home also, and it sounds like your treatment has been very sub par.

              • m0tyrider on 05/04/2022 - 13:14

                @MasterScythe: Myocarditis - Had a college develop it from their first pfizer jab. This was back in October 2011 - she has not returned to work and had to forfeit her position due to being still unwell. She is still seeing medical professionals. Another college had to leave work due to not wanting another dose, she suffered similar side effects to me - again its been 7-8 months for her and she is just starting to feel 'normal'.

                If my treatment was better, I would be singing a different tune - I was referred to a cardiologist, who did some basic tests. 24 hour ECG, 24 hour blood pressure and a basic stress test. From someone who was very active and fit before hand these did not do justice. I could not walk more than 50m without feeling out of breath.

                By the time these tests were completed it was many weeks later.

                I saw three different Gp's, none were remotely helpful. It was honestly a huge let down of the system. Not one GP said the same thing - Immune response, pericarditis, anxiety - three different diagnoses, what a cop out.

                6 month's out for me, I still have palpitations, dizzyness, head pressure, tingling. I honestly thought I was going to die during that first week of being jabbed.

                • MasterScythe on 05/04/2022 - 13:46

                  @m0tyrider: The issue that pops up though, is that if that's the reaction to being exposed to a limited dose of a spike protein, how would you have reacted to a spike protein with a viral load inside it?

                  I completely aknowledge that the honest answer is 'we don't know', but statistically, the answer is likely 'much worse'.

                  I caught COVID in the early months of 2020. 50 meters to me, sounds like a blessing.
                  18 months it took me to be able to walk to the toilet, without a lie down along the way.
                  The vaccine was a wild ride also, and similar, but nowhere near as severe. It only took about a month to feel normal after the vaccine.

                  I guess I was lucky though, amphetamines and steroids were effective at returning my energy levels, and relieving the pain.

                  Genuinely, find a good GP.
                  I can understand the medical industry let you down, and that sucks, but nothing is ever perfect.
                  After searching for my GP (saw about 20 or so, to find one I clicked with), as a generalisation, try and find a doctor who grew up in a more social environment. Australia seems to breed some amazing specialists, but seems to have a culture of over regulated GP's. My father for example, found understanding in a Doctor raised in South Africa, and my mother found a lovely French doctor. Both go above and beyond, and will occasionally call during a lunch break to check how a treatment is progressing.

                  Personally, my doctor, I chose because he was a member of the Flying Doctor Service; which meant he was willing to discuss broad issues (he was used to not being able to come back easily); He also was (was, as he retired last month, so I'm on the hunt again) one of the good doctors who trusted his patients. Often, you'd be sent home with 4 different possible treatments, and he'd tell you which to stop taking in a few days when test results came back. He didnt assume you were going to abuse multiple prescriptions. He was wonderful.

                  Ask the reception staff too;
                  if you explain what sort of personality you're looking for, and what sort of treatment style you like, and ask a non-liabile question, like "Do you think any doctors would be a good fit at your clinic?" I've found them to be very honest; "No, XYZ is very by the book, and ABC like to be cautious" Ah OK, thanks.

                  Hopefully you can find someone to help soon.
                  Prednisone was my biggst savior; it relieved the depression (as setroids tend to do), removed the pain, and lowered the inflammation.
                  You can't be on them for years, but low doses for months isnt unhead of.

    • Pennypacka on 04/04/2022 - 22:23
      +5

      I’m wondering why I’m getting negged? Becuase I negged the deal or for my question?

      • MorriJ on 04/04/2022 - 22:38
        +2

        Does it matter? Being contrarian will invariably invoke negative reactions from those who hold the popular opinion.
        Full disclosure - I negged you; not for your contrarian view or because you posted some random link and mention "they" like the body of people in question have some sort of stature; but simply because I don't think your neg vote meets the guidelines for negging a deal.

        • Pennypacka on 04/04/2022 - 23:01
          +3

          Thanks for your reply, i was just curious. Negging me because I’ve appeared to be contrarian I understand but if it was becuase I asked that question I’m curious. It seems like a very reasonable question, one that can’t be shit down in the basis of being ‘anti science’. Here we have one of the most medically advanced countries in the world, Sweden, recommending against the indiscriminate vaccination of children. It seems reasonable that everyone should be curious about that. I’m not one of these antivaxers that thinks Warnie died from the jab or the sudden deaths of athletes are vax related, these things were just as common pre covid as far as I can tell. I just don’t get why parents would take the chance, no matter how small the risk when omricon or the new variant are so negligible in the 5-11 age group. Not one hospitalisation or death of a healthy 5-11yo in Australia. Not one

          • BartholemewH on 05/04/2022 - 13:03
            +1

            @Pennypacka: That last point is tremendously positive if correct.

            Edit: Anyone got a link re: no hospitalisation 5-11 with omicron?

            • moar bargains on 05/04/2022 - 16:59
              +1

              @BartholemewH: Ok, the key point here is "healthy" (as per Pennypacka's qualifier), and the definition of it.

              The claim that there's been "not one hospitalisation or death of a 5-11 year old" (i.e. without the healthy qualifier) is demonstrably false. Here's a couple of links to Australian Government Department of Health Covid Epidemiology reports:
              - https://doi.org/10.33321/cdi.2021.45.69 See Tables 4 and 6.
              - https://doi.org/10.33321/cdi.2022.46.9 See Table 8.

              Now while those numbers are extremely low for the 5-11 age group which is fantastic, low is clearly not the same as none. However those numbers don't make any mention of "health status" or co-morbidities, which are only recorded on adults as far as I can tell.

              It's possible, even perhaps likely, that those 5-11 year olds who have been hospitalised or died were vulnerable anyway due to co-morbidities (i.e. not healthy), however it's not clear from the data. In any case, I would suggest that making a claim that there has been "not one hospitalisation or death of a healthy 5-11 year old" without solid evidence is a stretch, however I would happily accept the "negligible" qualifier. One of the considerations though is that asthma (for example) is a co-morbidity, and about 10% of kids have asthma, so that's still 10% of that age-group population who are theoretically at risk, without even considering other co-morbidities. So that may lead parents to consider getting their children vaccinated, and has done in my personal case.

              In light of all this, I think it's important that parents should make an informed decision (not just an emotional decision) which is really hard to do! I'm still on the fence about wholesale vaccination of children.

              • Pennypacka on 06/04/2022 - 01:26
                +1

                @moar bargains: Yes all I’m saying is indiscriminate wholesale vax defies both logic and science. Hence qualifiers are very important. Obviously you’ve done your own research and made your decision for your child which I respect

      • FlyingMiffy on 04/04/2022 - 22:39

        I'm not sure that Sweden has actually said that the benefits outweigh the risks - that's more likely to be the words chosen by Reuters to report it. In fact, the official health agency has simply said that they will not explicitly recommend vaccines for the 5-12 age group because they "don't see any clear benefit with vaccinating them". That's different to saying that the risks are greater than the benefit. Note that the verbatim reported in the article refers to the low likelihood of serious illness for children but did also mention that risk groups within that age group already has access to vaccines as well.

      • Ghos7 on 04/04/2022 - 22:45
        +1

        NPCs are programmed to react to any dissent to the official narrative. Even when the propagandist media has burned all their credibility.

        • Pennypacka on 04/04/2022 - 23:07
          +1

          NPC?

          • Ghos7 on 04/04/2022 - 23:16

            @Pennypacka: Non playable characters. Automatons programmed to repeat the regime talking points.

            • MasterScythe on 05/04/2022 - 00:05
              +1

              @Ghos7: You do realise that someone who is described as 'non playable', means non-gullible\non-controllable.

              Even in video games, it's the playable character who can only do exactly as he's told by an outsider; and without control will do and achieve nothing, infinately.

        • pickledpickles on 05/04/2022 - 06:41
          +1

          Back to 4chan u go lmao

    • mathew42 on 04/04/2022 - 22:37
      +2

      For kids, the current evidence suggests that COVID is less severe in most cases. This means an argument could be made to delay vaccinating children until more evidence emerges. The counter argument is that some unvaccinated kids may die from COVID and/or transmit the disease infecting others. Effective treatments for infected patients lowers the risk, especially if the health system is not under stress.

      Normally for a vaccine to be approved takes 5-10 years, but can be accelerated. The impact of accelerating the trials is that less evidence is available and less time has been spent reviewing the evidence. An example is the rare blood clots associated with the AstraZeneca vaccine. The risk of death was significantly lower than a COVID infection, hence AstraZeneca being recommended for everyone over 18 during the outbreaks in 2021. Once doctors were aware of the risk, they could respond with appropriate treatment, mitigating the risk. With the wide spread availability of alternative vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna & Novavax), it is no longer recommended for under 60.

      The impacts of "Long COVID", especially reduced lung function are an argument for being vaccinated.

      Every action in life has a risk, although we are often poor at accessing risk. Evidenced based healthcare is vital so that we can continually improve outcomes. Unfortunately we don't have complete knowledge, so need to make an educated assessment.

      • belongsinforums on 04/04/2022 - 22:42
        +1

        May die? They are dying, even in Australia. Sure it's not everybody, so what is an acceptable number of other preventable child deaths for you?

        • mathew42 on 04/04/2022 - 23:02
          +1

          acceptable number of other preventable child deaths

          Good question. If you confine the discussion to unvaccinated kids, I would answer zero.

          If you were to discuss preventable child deaths from other causes, then it is a much more complex answer. Injury deaths comprised 33% of all deaths for children aged 1-14. These deaths could be reduced by stricter safety laws, but at what cost to society?

          At a simplistic level within the child protection system there are two tensions at work: the child's right to be with their family / community and the child's safety. Making a correct decision every time with imperfect information is impossible.

  • sunnyc on 04/04/2022 - 22:07
    +2

    Love the controversy. Let’s all hold out for the next booster shot. No shot without incentive. Hospital withholding my troponin results and says I was never there. If I’m going to get killed 25K won’t do it.

    • Gradesbrah on 05/04/2022 - 07:12
      +2

      Interestingly the major condition of concern linked elsewhere by national data, if to be claimed in Australia had paperwork indicating the need of a cardiac MRI. Which was not Medicare billable for over 3 months following the mandating for low socioeconomic areas to be vaccinated or they couldn’t work….

      I want a majority of Australians to reduce their risk by getting vaccinated but any suggestion the governments were prepared and genuine in the messaging about the vaccination injury program or the safety event data is laughable. That being said, I know a lot of patients requesting MRIs despite no ECG or Trop changes. Also had a few ask for Ivermectin when counselling them on monoclonal antibodies.

      We could have done this whole thing much better, probably not with the current political situation though. No open reporting, open discussion, or proportional statements. It was simply hysteria and assertions.

  • tee123 on 04/04/2022 - 22:28
    +1

    I think it's insane to jab children with a vaccine that needs an update every 3 weeks.

    • Gehirn on 04/04/2022 - 22:33
      +7

      So instead of partially protected you'd prefer them not to be at all?

      • woodsy175 on 04/04/2022 - 22:35
        +12

        It’s called an immune system for a reason

        • try2bhelpful on 04/04/2022 - 22:58
          +4

          It doesn’t stop a lot of people getting sick and dying. You would know that if you visited old graveyards and looked at the number of children there. My man had a whooping cough vaccine as a child but, still, got whooping cough in his 50s. The vaccines work but boosters are required. My man can still get coughing fits from the residuals. I’ve seeing videos of babies with whooping cough. You are completely exaggerating with your 3 week jibe. Vaccination has saved the lives of millions of children through history. Why let a child get very sick if you don’t have to.

          • randomvis on 05/04/2022 - 01:41
            +10

            @try2bhelpful: This is not whooping cough. This is not polio. It's not even the flu. It poses statistically no risk to children.

            I'm sure in retrospect these young people who were not in harms way— who got locked up, told to sacrifice their education, their relationships, possible romance, got told to mask up, told to shut up, take the shot or not have a social life or job to give the elderly a couple more years of life would think well of the older generations.

            Sacrificing the young for the safety of the old is the most horrific, selfish thing a generation could do. I am ashamed of my country.

            • try2bhelpful on 05/04/2022 - 11:57

              @randomvis: And we are only two years in and we don't know where this will go next. It does, statistically, pose a risk to children. There are statistics that show children have been affected, have been hospitalised and have died.

              Children tend to be resilient. This isn't the blitz or the siege of Stalingrad. The kids could still have an education, they could go out, they could have a social life, they could have a job. So you think a little bit of inconvenience is worth killing people for? Just wow on that one. Why didn't we just round up all the old people to get them out of the way in the beginning. This would be the "final solution" you are looking for.

              The young haven't been sacrificed. They are well and healthy and will recover nicely from a couple of years of having to be inconvenienced. The vaccinations mean fewer of them will run the risk of long term impairments from getting the disease. If I was a kid I would be wondering why society thinks everyone else is worth getting vaccinated but not me. Give the kids some credit; in a few years time they will be boasting about their resilience. It is the over the top rhetoric of things like "sacrifice" that indicates a lack of credibility.

              Anyone who is worried about the effect of repeated shots on their immune systems might want to look at this.

              https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/man-in-germany-gets-90-c…

              • randomvis on 05/04/2022 - 12:28
                +4

                @try2bhelpful:

                The young haven't been sacrificed.

                Your comment is absolutely disgusting. I've know several young people who have killed themselves as a direct result of these abhorrent lockdowns. It shows how detached you are from reality.

                The virus is running rampant despite all the promises of the government and medical authorities, it just shows the young people suffered needlessly.

                Exactly how much should young people sacrifice for the old? Resilience? Their education, their jobs, their marriages and their lives have been iced because of the response to this pandemic. Morbidity counts more than mortality when the death rate is less than 0.05% of the population for those under 50. It's easy for the retired and elderly to hide behind government authoritarianism demanding lockdowns and restrictions when they have already lived their lives.

                Young people already feel like they have been let down by previous generations, social moral decay, environmental depletion, housing crises, so when they are forced to give up their future as well for these same generations— I hate to see what the consequences will be.

                • andresampras on 05/04/2022 - 13:58

                  @randomvis:

                  I've know several young people who have killed themselves as a direct result of these abhorrent lockdowns.

                  Do you work with young people? This sounds terrible

        • Gehirn on 04/04/2022 - 23:00
          +2

          Doesn't seem to do a great job since we have vaccines and other drugs to help it in other situations too.

        • PiratePete1911 on 04/04/2022 - 23:58
          +14

          Its amazing that a comment this stupid gets so many upvotes.

          Everyone who has ever died to a disease or affliction has had an immune system.

      • sunnyc on 04/04/2022 - 22:37
        +1

        You have that logic but you don’t think that your logic is you’re hurting children that weren’t going to be affected by the virus. Hence why they are the last to be vaccinated. Isn’t the vaccine just a micro dose of the virus and since they are least affected, they should develop natural antibodies?

        • woodsy175 on 04/04/2022 - 22:42
          +3

          Wow could you possibly rephase that to make sense? ta

          • sunnyc on 05/04/2022 - 00:19

            @woodsy175: I was replying to one above but somehow clicked on yours, sounds like you’re defensive but it wasn’t directed at you

    • Charity on 04/04/2022 - 22:39
      +6

      didn't work the first 5 times, maybe 6 will work :P

  • Kanu on 04/04/2022 - 22:34
    +15

    horrible

    • [Deactivated] on 05/04/2022 - 05:58

      I upvoted this deal for sh*ts and giggles. My voting button finger. My choice.

  • 777 on 04/04/2022 - 22:37
    +18

    Sorry OP, nothing personal but this is wrong. I'm fully vaxxed but dont agree with this approach.
    Don't make kids feel that they haven't done the right thing and look at the age group, Easter, kids show-wrong at many levels

  • T-man on 04/04/2022 - 22:47
    -5

    More kids died because of the vaccine than the virus, think about that.

    • Gehirn on 04/04/2022 - 23:07
      +5

      Fact check says otherwise.
      https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/video-makes-false-compariso…

      • pipe on 04/04/2022 - 23:17
        -1

        That fact check just said that because the adverse reaction reporting system is unreliable we don't know the actual deaths from vaccine.

        • Gehirn on 04/04/2022 - 23:24
          +5

          No it says "they are unverified" and "These reports do not determine if a vaccine caused an adverse event."

          It then goes on to say from other US and Australian sources that there has not been more deaths from vaccine than the virus, and even none reported.

        • imcold on 04/04/2022 - 23:46
          +10

          The reporting system is deliberately created unreliable. The point is you are not considered vaccinated until 2 weeks after all your required doses. So if some dies of complication between their first dose and even at 1 week after their last dose they will be recorded as dying unvaccinated.

      • Inhmayz on 05/04/2022 - 13:00

        bro lmao

        what a joke

    • Aureus on 04/04/2022 - 23:19
      +4

      Let me guess, your source is facebook?

    • Naughtynaughten on 05/04/2022 - 00:07
      +2

      Rofl you gronk!

  • mr_asstight on 04/04/2022 - 22:49
    +8

    Disgusting

  • zCrimson on 04/04/2022 - 22:57
    +7

    That's right people get your free tickets when you let the government experiment on your kids, and parents remember to get your forth booster shoots since the first 3 just didn't cut it, its totally not a failed product and you definitely weren't part of some mass scary campaign to experiment on the world population, and ladders have most certainly have not killed more then three time the number of people per year then Covid. It's all totally legit!

    • [Deactivated] on 05/04/2022 - 05:59
      -1

      Cool story. Deal upvoted.

  • pipe on 04/04/2022 - 22:58
    +14

    It's the same playbook again. Government can't mandate the vax so they use incentives. Then as soon as the majority get it, they will discriminate against the unvaccinated kids.

    But this time they can't use the lie that the vaccine is 95% effective at preventing covid. We also have 2 years of data showing that kids are not at risk of serious illness.

    • try2bhelpful on 04/04/2022 - 23:03
      +8

      Except young, healthy, children have died from it. It, also, reduces hospitalisations. We, also, don’t know what future strains are out there. If we get a bad strain we may not have time to get the children fully vaccinated. I don’t mind adults suffering for their choices but I object to children suffering for them.

      • pipe on 04/04/2022 - 23:07
        +11

        Please clarify died from vs died with

      • Pennypacka on 04/04/2022 - 23:24
        +3

        Could you please share one incident of a healthy child dying from covid in Australia. Show me one and I’ll payID you $50 right now.

        • Gehirn on 04/04/2022 - 23:28
          +9

          $50 please.
          theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/21/previously-well-two-year-old-child-dies-in-sydney-hospital-with-covid.

          • pipe on 04/04/2022 - 23:29
            +7

            @Gehirn: The title literally says With covid, not From covid.

            • Gehirn on 04/04/2022 - 23:30
              +9

              @pipe: “A previously well two-year-old child from Sydney died at the Children’s hospital at Westmead due to Covid-19 infection,” NSW Health said in a statement.

              Maybe the title said that because it isn't as pedantic as some people are, but this quote says what you like.

          • Pennypacka on 04/04/2022 - 23:41

            @Gehirn: I’m looking into it, if genuine I’ll get your payid details

            • Gehirn on 04/04/2022 - 23:43
              +4

              @Pennypacka: You can donate it to charity.
              Hope to see the proof of you doing so.

              • Pennypacka on 05/04/2022 - 00:03

                @Gehirn: Thanks, details are hard to find but as far as I can see his death was officially attributed directly to covid. Although I suspect there is more to the story I’ll pay that one. Message me your payid details and you can donate the $50 to charity if you wish.

                • Gehirn on 05/04/2022 - 00:05
                  +4

                  @Pennypacka: That's okay, you can choose covid donation on Unicef.
                  https://www.unicef.org.au/donate/donate-once

                  • Pennypacka on 05/04/2022 - 00:18
                    +15

                    @Gehirn: Thank you for your generosity, the proceeds of my ignorance will go to a good cause. I don’t know how to post a screenshot but this is pasted from confirmation email…

                    Hi Andrew,

                    Thank you for your donation to UNICEF’s Ukraine Emergency Appeal.

                    You'll find the details of your donation below, and since all donations over two dollars are tax-deductible, we will send you a consolidated receipt at the end of the financial year.

                    Receipt Number
                    4K730903DB732652J

                    • bio on 05/04/2022 - 09:45
                      +1

                      @Pennypacka: Just wanted to say that it is rare to see people on the interwebs who stand by their words. Kudos to you.

        • Duece1995 on 04/04/2022 - 23:31
          +5

          None. Who in their right mind would give this experimental injection to a child!

          • Gehirn on 04/04/2022 - 23:34
            +5

            @Duece1995: It's not experimental.

            • Duece1995 on 04/04/2022 - 23:35
              +3

              @Gehirn: It must certainly is. Look it up.

              • Gehirn on 04/04/2022 - 23:42
                +10

                @Duece1995: Looked it up and yeah not experimental.
                https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-…

                "Australia has made a full and thorough assessment of the Pfizer (Comirnaty) and AstraZeneca (Vaxzevria) vaccines.

                The Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) provisionally approved these vaccines after a complete assessment of all the available data. This is the same process as any vaccine approved in this country. The TGA will only register and approve a COVID-19 vaccine if it is safe and effective.

                No part of the process has been rushed, and there was no emergency authorisation granted. The TGA does not have an "Emergency Use Authorisation" pathway for COVID-19 vaccines"

            • Duece1995 on 04/04/2022 - 23:49
              -1

              @Gehirn: Then give it to your children if you believe it's safe.

      • Duece1995 on 04/04/2022 - 23:44
        +2

        What evidence do you have that supports your theory that it reduces hospitalisation?

        • try2bhelpful on 05/04/2022 - 07:14
          +1

          https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2202826

          https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/vaccines/vaccines-10-00081…

          I, suggest, you do some Googling.

          It isn’t my “theory” it is backed up by statistics from hospitals around the world. There is some debate on effectiveness on stopping transmission, however, the reduction of hospitalisation is acknowledged. With all things taken into account being unvaccinated makes you much more likely to end up in hospital.

          • Gradesbrah on 05/04/2022 - 07:18
            +2

            @try2bhelpful: Can you provide the Child data for reduced hospitalisations?

            The data submitted had no serious cases in either arm, like in the under 5 outcome, they pushed for a ‘non inferior antibody titre’ response. No claims or evidence of effective was part of the submission to the US for approval, from my reading of ATAGI they went off the same submission data.

            • bio on 05/04/2022 - 09:54

              @Gradesbrah:

              Can you provide the Child data for reduced hospitalisations?

              It is less effective when compared to older children and adults, but still effective:

              https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.25.22271454v…

              VE against hospitalization declined changed from 85% (95% CI: 63%, 95%) to 73% (95% CI: 53%, 87%) for children 12-17 years, and from 100% (95% CI: -189%, 100%) to 48% (95% CI: -12%, 75%) for those 5-11 years.

              In the Omicron era, the effectiveness against cases of BNT162b2 declined rapidly for children, particularly those 5-11 years. However, vaccination of children 5-11 years was protective against severe disease and is recommended.

              • Gradesbrah on 05/04/2022 - 11:38
                +1

                @bio: People need to decide if preprints are being seen as acceptable sources or not when discussing evidence of claims. It seems to be depending on the findings whether it is seen as credible.

                Interested in your interpretations of Figure 1 data.

                • bio on 05/04/2022 - 11:47

                  @Gradesbrah:

                  People need to decide if preprints are being seen as acceptable sources or not

                  I agree, but most research related to Omicron is in preprint stage.

                  Interested in your interpretations of Figure 1 data.

                  Figure 1 is "Vaccine Effectiveness against Infection", not "against Hospitalisations" which was the original question in this thread. Refer to Table 1 for details. The effectiveness is lower than desired, but in my opinion that is a secondary metric. What we want is to prevent deaths, not sneezes, and the vaccines are still doing a statistically significant work.

    • mathew42 on 04/04/2022 - 23:17
      -4

      We also have 2 years of data showing that kids are not at risk of serious illness.

      Coronavirus (COVID-19) case numbers and statistics states that 8 kids in 0-9 age group and 2 in 10-19 age group, so there is some risk of death from COVID although without individual case histories we cannot identify comorbidities.

      Unvaccinated kids (and adults) represent a significant risk to the community, because they enable disease to spread and break herd immunity. This impacts on people who cannot be immunised (e.g. young babies and immunocompromised). Measles, whooping cough, etc. should be extinct, instead parents with babies rightfully worry about the risks from unvaccinated people being a source of infection.

      • pipe on 04/04/2022 - 23:19
        +15

        It is worrying that people still believe that the vaccine stops spread even when the official narrative changed last year to be only stopping serious illness.

        • mathew42 on 04/04/2022 - 23:36
          -2

          WRONG Evidence from a study in Sweden, is that COVID-19 vaccination reduces household transmission up to 97%.

          The narrative has become more nuanced as more is understood. In early 2020 we had very little understanding of how COVID is transmitted and effective treatments.

          • pipe on 04/04/2022 - 23:40
            +9

            @mathew42: Is that why the most vaccinated countries are seeing increase in cases?

          • Gradesbrah on 05/04/2022 - 07:20
            +2

            @mathew42: Quote the origin study, not some editorial piece.

            The fact that one claim is conflicting with most peer reviewed papers would suggest a meta analysis approach needs to be taken instead of random quotes.

      • zCrimson on 04/04/2022 - 23:30
        +2

        So far more then the amount that go missing each year, truly scary.

      • Duece1995 on 04/04/2022 - 23:33
        +7

        Lol. Nice try. I know heaps of triple jabbed households that this had gone through. Trying to blame the unvaccinated. Typical governement tripe.

  • [Deactivated] on 04/04/2022 - 23:08
    -2

    Make novavax available for children, then i will vaccinate my kids.

    • Gradesbrah on 05/04/2022 - 07:21
      +2

      I did not think they had demonstrated the safety or effectiveness outcomes yet?

  • rilebags on 04/04/2022 - 23:11
    +18

    0.1% of covid fatalities have been under 60 years old and the vaccines don't prevent transmission. Not really sure why healthy kids would need them. More like a financial booster shot to the friends of the government™.

    • T-man on 04/04/2022 - 23:13
      +4

      Someone need a new mansion.

    • ConsumerAffairs on 04/04/2022 - 23:22
      +5

      Exactly, since when in society do we sacrifice the young to save the old? Never. The average age of death from (not with) covid is older than the current average age of mortality, just some food for thought.

      • mathew42 on 04/04/2022 - 23:43
        +1

        Is it reasonable to permit parents to expose their children to needless risk based on their ideology?

      • try2bhelpful on 05/04/2022 - 07:15

        Honestly? In just about every war that has ever been fought. However we aren’t sacrificing the young we are protecting them.

    • mathew42 on 04/04/2022 - 23:26
      +1

      0.1% of covid fatalities have been under 60 years old

      WRONG 8 children (0-9) out of 6398 deaths have died of COVID-19 which is 0.13%. 266 people under 60 have died of COVID which is 7.13%.

      • zCrimson on 04/04/2022 - 23:34
        +2

        and what is that in percentage vs the population of Australia you know 26,068,792 people… could it be 0.000038%

        • bio on 05/04/2022 - 10:02
          -1

          By the same logic 99% of people who jumped off a cliff have died, but the total deaths are only 0.00001% of the population of Australia. Therefore we shouldn't be afraid of jumping off cliffs.

          • Gradesbrah on 05/04/2022 - 14:40
            +1

            @bio: That is why the study population number is relevant. Using your own example, a small percentage of people jump off cliffs. A not small percentage of people have had COVID-19.

            • bio on 05/04/2022 - 14:57
              +1

              @Gradesbrah:

              That is why the study population number is relevant.

              Why are you saying this to me? You should have replied to the person who incorrectly said that "0.1% of covid fatalities have been under 60 years old" or the one who asked "what is that in percentage vs the population of Australia".

              To answer your question: Percentages do not matter. 6398 people have died. They were real people. They had names, families, partners, children, siblings. They are not "head count", or a percentage of some arbitrary base number.

              • Gradesbrah on 05/04/2022 - 15:02
                +1

                @bio: Yes, I completely agree. It is essential to keep all statistics in perspective though so rational decisions and reasonable policy can be made.

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