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2023 Zero S & DS 7.2 $9,995 Ride Away @ Zero Motorcycles

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2023 Zero S & DS 7.2 $9,995 Ride Away @ Zero Motorcycles
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pegaxs on 01/05/2025 - 11:26 zeromotorcycles.com.au (13905 clicks)

Woah… Some more cheap motorcycles for the masses… This time an EV motorcycle just to change it up.

Was reading around in a Zero Motorcycle Fartbook group and saw that one of the (very few) Aussies in there has just bought a brand new (old stock) 2023 Zero S 7.2 for under $10k ride away. Thought it was worth a post, as I bought mine last year for $13,200 (ooof) and thought that was a steal (having been marked down from their RRP price and it was more inline with what I would pay for a similar spec ICE bike.)

The "+" or "14.4kWh" versions are also on sale. These were up over $20k+ but have now been dropped to $17k ride away. A good discount, but still I feel a bit too pricey

For the newer range of bikes, the 2024 updated S (what used to be the SR/F) has also had a price cut from mid/upper $35~k bracket down to $28k ride away as well as the 2024 DS, down from about $40k to $30k Ride Away.

NOTE: At this point in time, for the S and DS 7.2, they WERE LAMS approved, but that may have changed. You would need to check your state's LAMS register on whether these bikes are still suitable for learner riders…

Few "real world" specs on the bike from my experience (I have the '23 Zero S 7.2);

Will easily do over 100km around town and in urban riding.
Will do about 60km if you ride it at open road speeds (80~100km/h)
Will top out at around 140km/h.
Gets from 0~60 VERY quickly (A LOT of torque down low). From 0 to 100 is also very quick
Has 2 storage boxes that hold a 2 litre bottle of milk and 2 loaves of bread and some some other stuff.
No noise, doesn't wake the neighbours at 5am on your way to work.
Charges from a regular 10a 240v outlet. (Can make/buy an adaptor to charge from public AC chargers)
Takes about 4 hours to charge from empty (Can charge it while you sleep/work)

What this bike isnt;

A wheelie machine. (That's what a Yamaha/Suzuki is for)
A long distance touring motorcycle. (That's what a Honda is for)
A noise maker. (That's what a Ducati is for)
A replacement for Rogaine or Viagra. (That's what a Harley is for)
A piece of poser jewlery (That's what BMW is for)

What this bike is good at, is "commuting". It is about the same price as most other commuter bikes in this bracket and providing you dont live more than 30km on a highway road tip to work, this could be a great alternative to a petrol bike of the same price because it cost about $1 to fill on off peak and there are no oil changes, coolant changes, spark plugs, valve adjustments, dont need to buy a loud muffler, you just throw a leg over it and ride.

You can find your local Zero dealer via this link (mostly Peter Stevens outlets, so often sold alongside Harley and Triumph)

InB4: Complaints about range and charging times and how you wouldn't buy one because it doesn't make enough noise and that "LoUd PiPeZ SaVe LiVeZ!11" or something about the price needing to be $3,500.

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  • easternculture on 01/05/2025 - 11:30
    +35

    I wonder how they advertise airplanes for sale

    2025 Boeing 777 $350 Million Fly away

    • jv on 01/05/2025 - 11:34
      +2

      Ask John Travolta…

    • kungfuman on 01/05/2025 - 13:27
      +2

      omg an ev motobike 0 to 100 in 1 second :D face melt.

      • SYLTB on 01/05/2025 - 15:26
        +2

        Without two exhaust pipes one on each side, gear stick, pop bang, pat pat, chat chat and revving what will you do with it?

    • Antikythera on 01/05/2025 - 16:00
      +2

      not planes, but expensive cars like Bentley and Austin Martin have started selling them at boat shows.
      because after a day at looking at boat prices the 500k+ cars look like a bargain.

    • meong on 01/05/2025 - 20:29
      +3

      This is how they sell private jets

      https://youtu.be/5uFXRJ4RBTs?si=0j9k-Svb3spHMFGn

    • juns on 01/05/2025 - 11:39
      +6

      Why should it be limited?

      • FXx on 01/05/2025 - 13:40
        +7

        No, this bike is requiring of a bike license unlike what the troll is talking about (scooters / electric bikes).

    • rooster7777 on 01/05/2025 - 12:21
      +4

      Dohhh… the electric pushbikes limited to 25kph must have pedals, and the characteristics of a pushbike… and don't require rego or a licence
      these are motorbikes…requiring ADR compliance, registration, a driver's licence etc

      • oooooooo ahhhhhhh on 01/05/2025 - 15:10

        *Motorcycle licence

        • 1st-Amendment on 02/05/2025 - 07:56
          +3

          *Motorcycle licence

          *Driver licence

          It's officially called a driver licence under the law (In NSW and QLD at least). 'Motorcycle licence' is a 'class' of 'driver licence'.

          • pegaxs on 02/05/2025 - 09:50
            +3

            @1st-Amendment:

            It's officially called a driver licence under the law (In NSW and QLD at least)

            In NSW, according to the government website, it is also officially called a "rider's license"

            'Motorcycle licence' is a 'class' of 'driver licence'.

            Correct. Note under the NSW Road Transport (Drivers License) Regulation 2017 legislation, "Motorcycle License" is it's own "class"…

            5 Licence classes and class codes (cf 2008 Reg cl 5)
            (1) For the purposes of this Regulation, the classes of driver licence are as follows—
            (a) motorcycle licence,
            (b) car licence,

            BUT… (6) would suggest that "motorcycle license" is completely separate. (unlike car —> Multi-combination. I cannot hold a "MC" and not have a "car" license, but I can hold a motorcycle license and not a car license.)

            6 Hierarchy of licence classes (cf 2008 Reg cl 6)
            (1) For the purposes of this Regulation, the hierarchy of licence classes, ordered from the lowest to the highest class, is as follows—
            (a) car licence,
            …
            (f) multi-combination vehicle licence.
            (2) A motorcycle licence is not included in the hierarchy.

            And "technically" you can get a "motorcycle license" without ever having obtained a "car license"…

            In Qld, it is referred to as a "motorcycle license"

            As for other states…

            Vic is the same, a "motorcycle license"
            As is Taswegia, "motorcycle license"
            Oh, look at what SA calls it, a "motorcycle license"
            WA being weird call it a "license to ride a motorcycle"
            NT pull out ALL the references calling it a "motorcycle rider's license"
            And ACT are strange, they rip everything from NSW, but call it a "motorcycle license"

            So, based on that, it would be entirely correct to refer to it as a "motorcycle license" or a "rider's license".

            • 1st-Amendment on 02/05/2025 - 15:03
              -1

              @pegaxs:

              In NSW, according to the government website

              'The government website'?

              Here's the legislation: https://legislation.nsw.gov.au/view/html/inforce/current/sl-…

              Road Transport (Driver Licensing) Regulation 2017

              For the purposes of this Regulation, the classes of driver licence are as follows—
              (a) motorcycle licence,

              So exactly like I said, a class of driver licence.

              In Qld, it is referred to as a "motorcycle license"

              Sure, but again under the actual legislation:

              https://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/view/html/inforce/current…

              Transport Operations (Road Use Management—Driver Licensing) Regulation 2021

              (1) The class of a Queensland driver licence identifies the class of motor vehicle the holder of the licence is authorised to drive, or learn to drive, under the licence.
              (3)The classes of Queensland driver licence for riding, or learning to ride, motorbikes are

              I'd hate to think how much time you spent arguing against your own straw man…

              • Protractor on 07/05/2025 - 21:55

                @1st-Amendment: Is that a grudge in ya pocket or are you just pleased to see him?

                BTW I've got a drivers license & a motor cycle license, and the vehicle licencing mob and cops both call them just that.And we all know what the other is referring to, because none of us want to die on the Great Mt Pedant. My motorcycle is currently unlicensed, but my "motorcycle license" is still current.

                • 1st-Amendment on 08/05/2025 - 21:08

                  @Protractor:

                  Is that a grudge in ya pocket

                  OP called it a driver licence which is legally correct.

                  The next poster thought he was correcting him when he wasn't, I merely confirmed that fact. If this upsets you it's all you.

                  and the vehicle licencing mob

                  I posted the actual law. No amount of excuses will change this fact.

          • oooooooo ahhhhhhh on 02/05/2025 - 13:19
            +1

            @1st-Amendment: Okay? You still need to have a 'motorcycle licence' as 'class' of 'driver licence' to ride this.

      • beach bum on 01/05/2025 - 15:00
        +7

        There was a joke?

        • johnno07 on 01/05/2025 - 15:14
          +7

          Not a good one.

      • jollibot on 02/05/2025 - 11:54

        Huh, turns out you didn't get it.

    • fratzhaus on 02/05/2025 - 08:16
      +6

      crazy people still get ragebaited by jv in the year 2025. ily jv

  • brains-95 on 01/05/2025 - 11:35
    +7

    These are not LAMS approved in Tasmania but maybe in other states.

    Definitely a bargain. Twice the KWH and much more power than my Segway E300SE which is $8,900.

    • Chazzozz on 01/05/2025 - 15:19

      Looks like no dealers in TAS anyway, you’d need to go to the big island if you want one. I wonder how the range is affected by long climbs? Everywhere in Launceston is ‘uphill’.

    • EspadaV8 on 01/05/2025 - 15:30

      Are there any LAMS EV bikes available for Tas? Just done my test at Services Tas and about to book in the first practical test, would love to get an EV bike once I pass.

  • beigehornet on 01/05/2025 - 11:38
    +1

    Stupid question, do you need a bike license for them? or are they under a different classification that your regular C license will cover

      • beigehornet on 01/05/2025 - 11:43
        +1

        i just dont know if EV makes any difference, but from the sound of your reply it doesnt :)

          • juns on 01/05/2025 - 11:45

            @jv: He/She does have a road licence with the letter C on it

          • juddy90 on 30/05/2025 - 11:32

            @jv: I love how jv is not wrong, and we still downvote the shit out of them

            • jv on 30/05/2025 - 11:40
              -1

              @juddy90: Same people who voted for dictator Dan…

        • brains-95 on 01/05/2025 - 11:56
          +4

          You need an automatic (no clutch) motorcycle licence as a minimum.

    • pegaxs on 01/05/2025 - 13:05
      +5

      Yes, these are considered a "motorcycle" under the legislation.

      In some states, ie: Qld and I think SA, you can ride some EV scooters without a "motorcycle license" (still require a car license, though), but they need to fall into a certain "power" bracket. Under 50cc scooters and electric scooters like the SuperSoco CUx and Benzina Zero may fall within this low power scooter class. (you need to do your own research.)

  • Paul1e on 01/05/2025 - 11:38
    +9

    How do you find riding around on the Zero? Bring an EV, I'm concerned others drivers not aware because of how quiet they are. Of course as a motorcycle rider, you gotta have very defensive riding.

    • ChickenAdobo on 01/05/2025 - 12:15
      +4

      Just like a driving my Bev car in the shopping center. I had to slow down or stop as people are used to hearing if the car is near and not their eyes.

      • cloudy on 01/05/2025 - 12:57
        +2

        Not sure what EV you are driving, but most people can hear mine as I approach and stop and look. Most EVs I thought come with that low speed hummm

        • inamberclad on 01/05/2025 - 13:11
          +3

          my ev manufacturer was too tight arse to put in an external speaker that goes hummm

        • ChickenAdobo on 01/05/2025 - 13:19
          +2

          Yeah definitely have the spaceship humm at low speed. Would love an ice cream truck sounds though.

        • Caped Baldy on 01/05/2025 - 14:16

          Pedestrians in general have been pretty poor these days (drivers too!). I see heaps glued to their phone when crossing and dawdling and not being alert.

          • dtpearson on 02/05/2025 - 06:10
            +2

            @Caped Baldy: I see that all the time around here. How is it possible that people just step straight out onto a road WITHOUT lifting their heads from their phones to see if there is a car coming?

        • thatsnasty on 01/05/2025 - 15:18
          +1

          I'm convinced the humm that my Tesla emits is at a frequency some people still can't hear

          • FlyII on 01/05/2025 - 18:08
            +4

            @thatsnasty: That humm in your tesla is probably the odometer still spinning after you have stopped…

            • GreyChris on 02/05/2025 - 09:32

              @FlyII: Laughed out loud at this. Excellent call.

        • Sfh1975 on 01/05/2025 - 15:35

          His has one less m, hence humm, so people cant hear it. Too bad!

      • AustriaBargain on 01/05/2025 - 15:14
        +4

        The idea of a silent power motorcycle was just invented out of thin air recently and are still pretty uncommon. Government should make people put library cards between the spokes..

      • GreyChris on 02/05/2025 - 09:27

        Yeah I find animals can't work it out either. Had some birds in front so slowed right down but still continues to give them a hint of move. They had no idea and went under my car without flying away. Birds were fine btw, they just had no idea. I find the same thing with humans not being aware of the car because of no brumm but they are getting better.

    • Chickenleg on 01/05/2025 - 12:28
      +1

      That’s my major concern. I’d consider changing over to one of these but it’s dangerous enough out there on the roads as it is already.

    • lelamo on 01/05/2025 - 13:03
      +13

      As someone who was recently T-boned in a roundabout on a loud and bright yellow motorcycle. They will be no different.

        • aong152 on 01/05/2025 - 15:08
          +4

          to be fair, ICE motorbikes use so little fuel compared to ICE cars that switching to electric for environmental benefits (while still a positive) is marginal. However, you get some health benefits, and the cost is getting appropriately low. I remember when e-motorbikes were in the $20000 range. $10k is a steal.

          • FXx on 01/05/2025 - 16:49
            -3

            @aong152: There's a heap of studies out there suggesting motorbikes pollute just as much as cars (not incl. carbon), plus, it's almost always only 1 person riding them.
            It's OK, I know the drill.

            • dtpearson on 02/05/2025 - 06:15
              +10

              @FXx: Most 3L diesel dual cable rangers I see around here also have one single person in them, with a bull bar, big mags big tyres and a lift kit. And you think that a motorbike is just as polluting? You need to stop listening to conservative news outlets.

              • FXx on 02/05/2025 - 15:36

                @dtpearson: I'm not talking about diesel utes or myself, I'm talking about any self respecting progressive who cares for the environment owning dirty ICE motorbikes. If you don't put yourself in that class, what's there to worry about?
                Do your own research on this topic if you think I'm wrong, rather than excusing yourself with a line about conservative news outlets.

          • 1st-Amendment on 02/05/2025 - 08:05
            -3

            @aong152:

            that switching to electric for environmental benefits (while still a positive) is marginal.

            So exactly the same as switching to EV cars then?

          • timgriffin on 02/05/2025 - 08:36

            @aong152: My old Honda 600RR used more than a small car!

    • 1st-Amendment on 02/05/2025 - 08:00
      -2

      I'm concerned others drivers not aware because of how quiet they are.

      So "LoUd PiPeZ SaVe LiVeZ!11" then?

      Of course as a motorcycle rider, you gotta have very defensive riding.

      You answered your own question. If you are not already riding as if no-one can see you or hear you, you are heading for misery.

  • WatchNerd on 01/05/2025 - 11:39
    +13

    bought mine last year for $13,200

    Please hand in your OzB membership.

    • pegaxs on 01/05/2025 - 13:06
      +16

      They were marked down from about $16,900 and I thought $13,200 was a steal… Dont worry, I feel dirty about it…

      • ChickenAdobo on 01/05/2025 - 13:26
        +2

        I have a Bev and lost $12,0000 one months later. I have accepted that how electric transport will price themselves now. Take up my loss and think about the fuel savings in the future. Already clocking nearly 20,000 km under 1 year ownership.

        • Poor Ass on 01/05/2025 - 14:15
          +1

          ya but that was when they were pushing all those gov rebates to lure people in but really the real price should be $12000 less

        • Sfh1975 on 01/05/2025 - 15:38
          +1

          Plus you paid the early adopters tax!

          • dtpearson on 02/05/2025 - 06:17
            +2

            @Sfh1975: This. And you get to feel smug about it when everyone around you that took the Mickey out of you at first FINALLY gets an EV and realises how misled they were for so long.

            • 1st-Amendment on 02/05/2025 - 08:10

              @dtpearson:

              FINALLY gets an EV and realises how misled they were for so long.

              Misled about what? How they were way overpriced and would soon drop in price considerably thus destroying your resale value? That prediction 100% on the money.
              Until about 6 months ago EVs were still overpriced. They're finally getting into realm of making economic sense now.

  • shap08 on 01/05/2025 - 11:43
    +8

    This is the price of mid-top end ebike…. wild

  • kirt on 01/05/2025 - 11:50
    +7

    The "+" or "14.4kWh" versions

    That's bigger than a Powerwall 3…can these things do vehicle to grid / home?!

    • Captain Yobbo on 01/05/2025 - 12:35

      This doesn't come with a 10 year warranty…

    • tangcla on 01/05/2025 - 15:44
      +2

      Charge your bike at work, upload to the home grid?

  • edrift on 01/05/2025 - 11:57
    +2

    Power/speed wise, what size petrol bike would this be equivalent to? A 125cc bike?

    When you say it's quick 0-100kph, how quick are we talking?
    My MT-09 is 0-100 in 3 seconds, and my car is 0-100 in about 5.5 seconds.
    Speed on a bike is more important to get you out of tricky situations, not just racing off the lights.

    $10k feels ok for a brand new bike with warranty I guess, but you can get a lot of lams bikes for that price brand new too.

    • PurchaseAnxiety on 01/05/2025 - 12:04
      +1

      Sounds like top-speed wise, it's probably equivalent to ~500cc bike.

      • rooster7777 on 01/05/2025 - 12:23
        +4

        It would be an unusual 500cc bike that can only do 140kph…. how about 170 or 180?

        • Joku on 01/05/2025 - 13:58
          +1

          Probably referring to non-sports bikes. The sports 500/600cc's do way over 140kph. Even the sports 250cc's will do ~140kph but those typically feel really sketchy at that speed and I would assume that this electic bike does too, like you really notice the lack of traction.

          • rooster7777 on 01/05/2025 - 14:09
            +1

            @Joku: Maybe I should keep up…. 50 years ago yamaha 250s would do over 150kph….

            • Joku on 01/05/2025 - 14:19

              @rooster7777: It just depends on the style I think. I'm no bike (or car) person so I don't know much about this but AFAIK there has been various learner and maybe small/short person oriented bikes in the 400-500cc range that are more comfort oriented mini-cruisers, designed to rev lower and not get the same performance as the sport bikes.

            • Chridim on 01/05/2025 - 15:38
              -6

              @rooster7777: Only the two strokes would do over 150kph

              • Teedo on 01/05/2025 - 17:52
                +1

                @Chridim: @Chridim My 2007 GPX 250cc (4 stroke) would do 170kph …

                • billy_bob on 01/05/2025 - 21:32
                  +1

                  @Teedo: I guess 250's are getting slower. My 1998 Honda CBR250RR revved to 19,000 rpm and could hit 200km/h. Pretty good for a learner bike. Handled bloody amazing too.

            • kradkirby on 01/05/2025 - 18:09

              @rooster7777: Yeah last 20 years LAMS bikes are now lower revving, but bigger and twin cylinder to keep up with price+emissions.

              In India you can get modern versions of the 250cc 4cylinders from the 90's. Not here though.

        • Viper8 on 01/05/2025 - 19:59
          +2

          When I had a 4-stroke 250 cc it would top out at 167 km/h on level ground.

          Hardly surprising given a base model 2.0 L hatch back can go 180+ km/h.

    • ChickenAdobo on 01/05/2025 - 12:17

      Your petrol cycle has the same torque as a Bev off the red light. I have to guess that the electric bike will be far quicker especially during 0-60 and 60-90

    • Trojan on 01/05/2025 - 12:48
      +9

      105Nm of torque would put acceleration at the 1000cc bikes category.
      Factor in that the torque is instantaneous (reason why electric cars accelerate so quickly) it should easily be below 3 seconds assuming you can get the grip and keep the front wheel on the ground.

    • pegaxs on 01/05/2025 - 13:16
      +7

      Power/speed wise, what size petrol bike would this be equivalent to? A 125cc bike?

      No, closer to a 600cc off the mark, maybe even quicker due to the amount of torque you have from 0… It would be quicker off the mark than my 700cc CFMoto.

      When you say it's quick 0-100kph, how quick are we talking?

      Not as quick as the MT-09, but it will smoke any car off at the lights. Never been out dragged by any car from the lights.

      Speed on a bike is more important to get you out of tricky situations, not just racing off the lights.

      No, "torque" is more important, and this bike has it in spades. You snap the throttle open and this thing just walks, at any speed. You need to get out of a "situation", you just roll on the throttle and it's gone. No downshifting, no lag, just torque.

      but you can get a lot of lams bikes for that price brand new too.

      Apples and oranges. You cant compare it to an MT-09 or a 650 LAMS, it's not for the same job. It used to be on the LAMS list (mine is still registered as "LA") but it is a commuter bike. It isnt for "racing" or "drags" or for LAMS, but there are not many bikes in this class for that sort of coin that would beat this. Only thing letting it down, is the range, but if you are riding almost always in urban traffic, it's a great bike for under $10k ride away if all you are doing is a daily work commute and going to the shops and things like taht.

    • Captain Yobbo on 01/05/2025 - 13:56
      +3

      Speed on a bike is more important to get you out of tricky situations

      LMAO. Speed is going to get you into a whole lot more tricky situations that it'll get you out of.

      • ChickenAdobo on 01/05/2025 - 14:07
        -7

        Written by someone who hasn’t experienced any electric motoring. Let me give you an example. This morning a car was late blinkering doing a circle on a roundabout. I didn’t notice until the last second and my bonnet was already over the broke. line. Thanks to my Bev instant torque I beat that ice suv with ease without causing any accidents. How you think i do if I have a Yaris or a Corolla in that situation?

        An electric bike will make situations like these far easier. See a tight gap and you need to turn left or right at the next light? Use your instant torque to insert yourself to best available spacing ahead of you. You can beat 99% of cars on a e-bike. Almost no one can touch you despite the silent sounds.

        • Captain Yobbo on 01/05/2025 - 14:17
          +19

          I sure hope that's a joke post because if not that's the absolute dumbest shit I've heard in a very long time. Sound advice on how to get badly hurt or worse.

          • ChickenAdobo on 01/05/2025 - 14:48
            -5

            @Captain Yobbo: Like I written you don’t know what electric zippiness can do. Why should I take your advice seriously when your experience sounds like nil.

        • muwu on 01/05/2025 - 15:11
          +16

          This morning a car was late blinkering doing a circle on a roundabout. I didn’t notice until the last second and my bonnet was already over the broke. line. Thanks to my Bev instant torque I beat that ice suv with ease

          Approach any intersection or round-about with the ability to stop (this is first-driving-lesson-101). You shouldn't need to beat any other driver on a public road as a measure to avoid accidents when you can prevent them by using caution.

          See a tight gap and you need to turn left or right at the next light? Use your instant torque to insert yourself to best available spacing ahead of you. You can beat 99% of cars on a e-bike.

          Just relax. Stay in the lane you need, get behind the traffic you're feeling compelled to beat, and stay safe and chill.

          • Caped Baldy on 01/05/2025 - 15:35
            +1

            @muwu: I agree with you but some drivers not indicating has gotten worse and I've experience several deciding to start indicating when in the roundabout. When someone starts entering an intersection, you'd be at fault if the non-indicating driver crashes into them.

            There's a lot more unpredictable drivers these days!

            • Sfh1975 on 01/05/2025 - 15:47

              @Caped Baldy: As someone who learnt driving in Pakistan, blinking was often optional. Also, the last sec blinks are actually the driver lazily hitting the turn signal lever while rotating the steering (i.e. its too late to start blinking). I am glad I have gotten rid of this habit but I see a lot of drivers still sticking to this practice.

            • muwu on 01/05/2025 - 15:58
              +3

              @Caped Baldy: Oh, 100% agree. Driving habits are atrocious out there.

              The lack of indicator use is a personal frustration of mine, it's an endemic - when I'm a pedestrian navigating a crossing I've recently started pointing and motioning to negligent drivers to use their indicator when they've made an illegal turn without it. I had one instance where my arm was swiped (at low speed) by a driver turning through a pedestrian crossing when I was about 1/3 to 1/2 walking on the zebra crossing - no injury but their side mirror got folded-in, they stopped to fix the mirror but didn't apologise.

              Anyway, that's all an aside - when I'm driving I'm less focused on the uncontrollable behaviour of other drivers and focused on controlling my own to optimise safety, and that includes approaching potential stops with the ability to successfully stop, and not speeding up to pull off lane changes (usually position yourself in the lane you will need in the first instance, but if you find yourself needing to moderate your speed to change a lane then the rule is indicate early, slow your speed never increase, and get behind traffic not in front).

              Safe driving needs to be taught to everyone, road rules and your adherence if only the beginning of a good driver.

          • ChickenAdobo on 01/05/2025 - 16:27

            @muwu: This driver blinkered very late and I assume the driver will go straight at the roundabout. I was already cautious by slowing down but due to the late blinkering my bonnet was already half way over the line.

            It was a two lane round about so it was safe to avoid such bad driver in that situation.

            • dtpearson on 02/05/2025 - 06:24
              +1

              @ChickenAdobo: Agree, Model 3 driver for 5 years now. I use this ability all the time. It's not just the instant torque, it's also the lack of gears. I have a new single cab diesel ranger that has a lot of torque, but it takes AGES to kick down a gear and start moving, by then EV is 3 car lengths down the road.

      • 1st-Amendment on 02/05/2025 - 08:16
        -2

        Speed is going to get you into a whole lot more tricky situations that it'll get you out of.

        You have clearly never ridden a motorbike and been listening to the Gov propaganda for too long

        Your biggest risk as a rider is that 2 tonne steel cages along side you that can kill you in an instant. The easiest way to avoid those is to give it a squirt to get yourself into clear air. They can't kill you if they are nowhere near you.

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