Is Anyone Else Sad That SUVs and Utes Are So Prevalent Now?

Unless you're living under a rock, SUVs and utes (extremely large utes for that matter) are everywhere. Car manufacturers are opting to produce only large vehicles, some cutting their small sedans and hatches.

VOX did a video on this a while back for the US and I can kind of see it being similar in Australia. It is just sad that it has become this way, not just from an environmental POV but from a normal citizen and car enthusiast's POV as well.

Utes are considered work vehicles and receive some benefits which make them a popular choice for business owners who use them for "work purposes". Similarly, everything is so expensive these days, it is understandable that families want to have the most versatile/practical vehicle if they can only have one. That is where my level of reasoning ends.

However, Australians seem to have the American ideals where bigger is better, and what is worse is that half of these SUVs (cross overs and more?) have worse space than some hatchbacks and wagons… like what is with that? The bigger and heavier they are the less fuel efficient they are, the more damage they do to the roads and the more dangerous they are to other cars around them etc.

I wish our roads were filled with cars like in Japan and we had much better public transport like most major cities but I don't think that'll happen any time soon.

Poll Options

  • 681
    Yes
  • 128
    No
  • 32
    Indifferent

Comments

  • +2

    I think the bigger issue is muma driving around in mega pickups and SUVs. I mean you had John setka screaming out to his members to go out and buy the biggest pickups they could with their pay rises. Is there any surprise.

    • +1

      You need two SUV's to pancake a kid fully, don't do it halfhearted with a sedan like a monster, perish the thought!

  • Everyone I know wants them but I just miss my commodore wagon

  • I do a lot of DIY projects + a family, and would really benefit from having a dual-cab ute. But now they cost so damn much, and i can't bring myself to pay $75k for a vehicle. Tradies and Business-Purposes loopholes have caused the prices to absolutely skyrocket

  • +1

    Its the horrible ugly giant utes that are everywhere thanks to the stupid tax breaks on them. Awful things that block everyone else's view.

  • +1

    Personally went bigger because of the safety factor.

    Was driving a small hatch with kids in the back and didnt feel comfortable that if somebody rear ended us we would be worse off. Its unfortunate because i agree with your sentiment.

    • +5

      yeah in monster SUVs you become the killer, not the killee …

      more safety for 'me' - less safety for smaller vehicles …

      • +1

        Hoping to not be on either end honestly, but theres only one of those that is a variable i cant control.

        • Hope you got a RAM, because the UTE will feel tiny.

          Oh wait, a Kentworth perhaps.

  • +1

    SUV yes, Ute no.
    Ever since I fall in love with camping and outdoor live, I want to get myself a BYD shark. It looks great, very fast, luxurious interior, and most importantly the massive trunk bed makes it easy to take on anything you want with you.

    On the other hand, I don't really get city SUVs, they should just get a wagon instead.

  • SUV's and UTES are small compared to the US sized trucks that are everywhere.
    A typical sedan, let-alone station wagon is longer than the typical SUV.

    These US sized trucks are absolutely ridiculous to get little johnny to school, drive dad into the corporate office.

  • -6

    Sad..I am freaking sad to read these on a bargain site… it seems they are everywehre… reddit..FB..X..ABC…SBS…now a freaking bargain site….do you have to link our bargain hunter badge with your environmentalist badge?? You can have some many other sites/social media to complaint and you cannot let go a bargain site??? Can we have a break on these topics? crusader? I don't like or hate those cars but just don't like to see these topics on a site I take refugee from the bombardment of similar topics from other social media…

    • don't just siliently downvoted, come out and have a chat…so many other places you can go to vent why this bargain site? Are you banned from reddit or x or what? we don't deserve a place free of these stressful debates?

    • Dont like it? Too bad.

  • Same problem with housing. Everyone wants 4 bedrooms & a lockup garage.
    We could be driving skinny little vehicles like in the first episode of Silicon Valley, but no one wants to.

    When you consider the global emissions, the difference between SUVs and other cars is negligible.
    If our roads need to be better for their purpose, address that. I won't be choosing a small vehicle on our roads.

  • I love my 5.6 ltr V8 Patrol!

  • -4

    Small/Mid SUV's and cross-overs are great.

    Large SUV's and utes are un-necessary.

  • -2

    Maybe the Government should implement a Spare Seat Tax just like the Spare Room Tax

  • +3

    Were a huge sparse continent with a small population. It makes sense here particularly outside the cities.

    If you live in the CBD absolutely, they are silly.

    But for all of us living where its a long drive to places, we have large properties and are fairly outdoorsy then they are the best.

    We like to camp, take our dogs and haul stuff.

    Its not sad. It's a luxury other countries only dream they had.

  • Utes are just that, utility vehicles, very handy.
    SUVs arguably are safer for occupants in several ways, raising the occupant so their head is further above the height of the bumper or bull bar of a colliding vehicle. Also raised height improves situational awareness of driver and enhanced passenger experience.
    Whilst there is an increase in rollover risk of ice SUVs the risk is far less on EV SUVs with a heavy battery which is low slung…

  • +5

    I'm with you, OP.

    We regularly fit two adult mountain bikes (front wheels off, upright, secured at fork dropouts) inside our 1.3 litre Jazz.
    Less chance of theft and no drag on fuel economy.

    I still don't have a pic of both bikes loaded. Will take one tomorrow before a ride.

    • We regularly fit two adult mountain bikes (front wheels off, upright, secured at fork dropouts) **inside* our 1.3 litre

      Impressive.

      I still don't have a pic of both bikes loaded. Will take one tomorrow before a ride.

      Please do.

      • +2

        A nice little ride this afternoon and the first since winter.

        Loaded, blurred shot
        Secured at forks
        Rear wheels get a hug

        • Can't see from the photos, but there's over 10cm between the grips/levers and the rear glass when hatch closed.
        • There's room for the wheels to be upright on either side, but I don't have wheel bags (or w/e) to protect them.
        • Wife's bike on left secured with a threaded axle, mine's a QR. I just didn't have a spare QR axle for the project.
        • Seats are at the height we ride at, they don't touch the headliner. If you had a dropper post it would be even better.
        • Rear tyres are held snugly by the sides of the seats. Our car doesn't have airbags in this area, so not a major issue. Seatbelts operate normally.
        • Legroom unaffected.

        We'll be heading to the Cradle Mountain region later this spring. There's room for overnight bags!

    • +1

      I miss our little Jazz - we had an 2008 and the family were able to carry sooo much in it. So much more than any of the cars I've driven since except for the work car and a friend's tarago lol.

      • I was a bit hesitant until I test-drove one. One of my favourite cars!

  • +2

    I sold my Land Cruiser and bought an EV bicycle and a FIAT.

    Thanks OP for helping me see how selfish I was being and how my vehicle choices affected you.

    I've also started composting my waste 🥰

    • +1

      none of this means anything until you go vegan and start smelling your own farts

  • What is sad is that Australian roads are so bad you need an SUV or Ute to just drive on normal tarmac roads. Deep pot holes everywhere. Sudden changes in slope that cause normal sedans and hatchbacks to scrape their front bumper. Especially car park entrance driveways.

    • +2

      You're not the problem, its the people who get the biggest car possible for office commutes and school pickups. That and those guys that buy a Ford Ranger so that everyone gets out of their way as they break every road rule.

  • +1

    It does sadden me that SUV's are so prevalent now only becasue the range of large sedans & wagons for people who don't want a SUV is extremely limited now. When I decided to move on my 18 year old supper reliable VY Berlina I really struggled to find something to buy. I thought the Mazda 6 GT was going to be the best fit, till I sat in one. I'm 6'2" and the drivers seat was nearly touching the back seat and with 3 kids, one a teenage son who's already 6'1", I need a functioning back seat for when I've got to cart a couple of them around. It's also why our other car is a Kia Carnival. Looked at a bunch of cars till my wife said at least look at some SUV's. So looked at some SUV's most had the exact same issue as the Mazda 6 unless we went for the largest SUV's like a Mazda CX9 or Hyundai Palisade, which felt under powered and were way more than what I wanted to spend. In the end I went with a Holden ZB RSV Commodore V6 AWD wagon. Has a functional back seat with the drivers seat in my driving position, the wagon has way more storage then most SUV's have and it's great to drive. Plus so many people go for a SUV that would be much better served with a people mover. I've seen a woman put a pram on the roof racks on her SUV becasue with the SUV's third row up there was no boot space to put it in. If she had a Kia Carnival, wouldn't have had that problem.

  • +4

    As the driver of a pure EV (which I bought second-hand after someone else took the depreciation hit), I really hate this trend towards big petrol trucks because once you get used to EV ownership and lose your range anxiety, drivers of petrol cars are like smokers. Like why would you do that to yourself: generate toxic fumes that you and others breathe, and buy an outdated machine that wears out easily and takes a lot of maintenance because it runs on controlled explosions of fossil fuels. It's the practical usage difference between having a full jerry can and having a full phone battery. The stuff in the jerry can is volatile and high maintenance. I can fill up free at home from the solar panels on the roof. Meanwhile all these idiots are down at the stinking servo, paying through the nose. And they've forgotten the joy of a zippy little sedan and other form factors. You don't find sports cars that look like a Ford Ranger, because they wouldn't be any fun.

    • You are completely ignoring that electric vehicles require batteries that are produced by mining precious metals. The process in itself is a water intensive and has resulted in toxic chemical leaks into the surrounding environment. Don't act as if electric is clean without it's own problems.

      • +3

        Every time you drive a fossil fuel car you're carving up the environment. There are degrees of destruction, and using an internal combustion engine is at the top of the scale. Before that, your ICE car was also manufactured by industry, using metals that were mined. It's better to have no car at all, but if you are gonna have one, you need to stop justifying your extreme environmental destruction by clinging to red herrings about "EV manufacturing can damage the environment too". Yes it can, but EV driving is a whole lot less destructive.

    • -1

      Just don't mention the cobalt (big amounts in EVs) that is mined by children in Congo

      • +4

        Garbage argument. There's no cobalt in the LFP batteries which are now taking over the EV market. That's why cobalt ventures on the stock market have tanked. Next is sodium ion batteries, which use salt rather than even lithium.

        • Partly. Tesla, and some other manufacturers use NMC batteries.

    • +1

      drivers of petrol cars are like smokers

      and smokers have moved onto e-cigarettes and vapes,
      just like drivers of petrol cars have moved onto EVs, ha.

    • +2

      Like why would you do that to yourself: generate toxic fumes that you and others breathe, and buy an outdated machine that wears out easily and takes a lot of maintenance because it runs on controlled explosions of fossil fuels.

      Ignorance is bliss it would seem. Morven is on to us; replacing our cars every 18 months because they wear out so easily. I better take my 16 year old daily driver out to the great big farm in the country. I will stroke it gently and thank it for its lack of maintenance needs beyond spark plugs and oil changes. When I disconnect the battery terminal I will weep in unison with Morven for my wicked ways.

      • -1

        You forget that I drove petrol cars for decades and know them very well.

  • I'm not going to buy a 4wd and keep it parked in the garage only used for the occasional camping\4wding weekend away with the family, that would be wasteful.

    It's a good daily driver, isn't any more expensive to fuel up and maintain than my commodore was & if any idiot rams into me - it's a fantastic shield for my family

  • +3

    Absolutely. There have been studies with results pointing to drivers buying SUVs because they lack confidence in their driving ability and feel safer in an SUV. I prefer hatchbacks or sedans. What people ignore is how these larger cars block a regular car users vision of traffic. I prefer to see what the traffic is doing and in a sedan I simply cannot see past all these SUVs. I actually hate them.

    People get arrogant in them. I hate sitting in a line of them and being able to count on my hand the amount of sedans or small cars. This is not even considering the ecological footprint.

  • +2

    It’s annoying when they park near the corner of streets so that when you are trying to turn, you can’t see the traffic of the road you are turning into

    I do think they need to introduce some more where they are not permitted to park in the final parking spot of the street

  • +4

    I enjoy driving smaller cars, they're more fun to drive on roads within the speed limit and you can throw them around a bit more and enjoy them without breaking the law, that said every SUV / Ute these days has their headlights directly at my eye line when I'm driving so as soon as I have some idiot Ranger driver tailgating me I can't see a thing and have to duck like a granny just to see the road in front of me

    It's honestly insane people are buying mazda cx9's, driving them a majority of the time alone when they'd be better served by a mazda 6 wagon which has more room for them and the kids if they ever actually carry them around.

    Also, the notable degradation of the roads that has just gotten worse with more people driving huge cars when they don't even need them.

  • -3

    They should just make more big cars for most of the world's market.
    Most of the world is not cramped Japan or 1000yo EU city's so there is plenty of space and people would rather have a big car with good legroom in the back and plenty of storage space.

    They keep trying to force micro cars on everyone but the market never wanted them. So the market is left with SUV ute as the only choice.

    And why not when they keep putting speed bumps and steep angle driveway entries everywhere?

    EV benefits from being big and heavy, since battery demands it, even more so for range extender hybrids. We will see more like the BYD Shark start to do well in the market.
    Probably coming from China since they get it. Unlike Japan and Korea who design cars for their local overpopulated market first.

  • +4

    Not only are most cars on the road big SUV's or Ute's, they all look the same. Very similar styling and colours…..i miss the 90's when car company's were being unique with their designs and each manufacturer stood out for their style….now a see a new SUV on the road and i don't know if it's a mazda, Kia, or Chinese brand that's new to the australian market.

  • +4

    Every male where I live (Nth Bris) drives a large ute, the chics don't seem to need the flex. But they drive them same as would a car. Ie lead foot, winding engine, tailgating, fast on corners. If you can't drive with minimum wear on vehicle you are a bad driver. If you can't drive with skills appropriate to vehicle you are bad driver. It's the reduced visibility in car parks and road from them I dislike. I don't like having to gamble my life just exiting my driveway because my neighbours need a household with 3 utes.

  • Won't really matter when all cars are electric and self driving. Car parks can be bigger because more people will be fine with summoning a self driving Uber.

    • +1

      I too watched I, Robot and Minority Report.
      I think we will have the pre-crime style police state before any of that tbh.

      • That makes sense too, I bet the NSA already has pre-crime technology.

        • It's already started to appear in 'dynamic pricing',
          ie. your past spending habits is the basis for the prices you see online, and only for you only, eg. flight tickets, etc.

          Basically, all statistical data collected about someone, to be used to predict and forecast, and this is the business model of insurance / risk (profit from speculation of the future).

  • I'm sad there are so few other alternatives, so few good looking cars that are not insanely expensive, that so many cars overstep boundaries with data collection and safety features that can't be turned off etc.
    We're also a drop in the bucket for our market so are not high up enough in the food chain to get anything better.
    I'd like to see a slow to the flood of rubbish Chinese cars that will just be scrap and landfill in the coming decade too, turning cars in to iphones where "the new one" is out every year and people "must have" the next Chinese whatever car or even Tesla (I know people who change Tesla's frequently just for the cosmetic upgrades) is now how cars should be treated, as fashion or throw away purchases.

  • +1

    I recently joined the giant ute club.

    I wasn't shopping for a ute, looking more for an SUV for all the reasons mentioned (seeing around corners, safety, ride height) I was driving a beat up 2007 Mazda 3 which was pretty much a death trap.

    I was pretty interested in an electric car also since I have a large solar system and like new tech to play with. I was looking at the sealion 6 and 7 but ended up with a BYD Shark 6.

    The Oz bargainer in me couldn't get past is value for money. $57k for essentially a 3 ton luxury SUV that can do 80kms on battery power, don't need to worry about range, all the latest BYD tech, dead silent and does 0-100 as fast as an XR6 turbo.

    I have to say, having the tub had been fantastic already, I take the dog to the dog park daily and it doesn't matter if he gets all muddy, Bunnings or marketplace ribs much easier, can just throw bikes in the tub and head out.

    After owning one for just a month I can see why most families would consider having one ute and one other car the minimum standard.

    • I'm not going to lie, I have considered the Shark 6 for work purposes and the points you made, I didn't realise how big they were until I saw one in person, and I am pretty certain it won't fit in my driveway. If they were maybe 25% smaller - it would actually suit my needs a bit better.

      I don't need to replace my car yet (also on its last legs) so I'll worry about it when I do.

      • +1

        Yea I was suprised also, it's a monster, slightly bigger than a ranger but smaller than american brand utes. I was already a shit parker in the mazda but with the 3D cameras I can park this one decently most of the time.

        If you can wait, then just keep using your current car as long as possible. I bet whatever comes out in a year or two will make the Shark look like junk with the speed battery tech is advancing. A mid sized BYD ute has already been spotted in testing which could be that 25% smaller.

        https://www.drive.com.au/news/byds-sub-shark-6-plug-in-hybri…

  • In my (very) small car, I get targeted for bad driving by much larger cars. The mentality of it bothers me.
    When large cars need to cut in or pull out in front of someone, they target smaller cars. Not sure if it's deliberate or subconscious, but you can see them wait until a smaller car comes along to cut them off because they don't want to risk hitting another large car.

  • +2

    A race to the bottom where one of the rationales for getting a bigger vehicle is to improve visibility because of all of the other big vehicles :-/

    • +3

      Maybe if the cars get big enough, some would go tiny and to see perfectly under those cars…?

  • -2

    idk im just glad I see much less holdens and Ffalcon road boats around then i used to
    if i was in the market for a new car, and if i was not single, id take a serious look at the BYD shark 6 or the upcoming BYD denza b5 / b8

  • If it means aussies are having families and being active out and about I'm for it!

    • +2

      it doesn't mean any of those things, so…

  • +2

    90% of the time when I park at work, not matter where, some SUV/Ute with privacy glass will park right behind me and someone else will park right in front. A the end of the day, my sight is obscured to pull back onto the road safely. Yes, I know how to use my wing mirrors, but on that particular road, it is useless with the traffic emerging from a swoop in the road. Every single ute that is claimed on tax should be severely audited.

    • Wind down the window and stick your head out.

  • No honestly o have both a small car and a SUV. The practicality of the suv is unrivalled.

  • +1

    Don't really have any fundamental problem with utes, it's just that the utes that get released in Australia have a front windscreen made out of the same glass as side mirrors to save on cost.

    By law, they should be labelled the same - "objects may be closer than they appear". Would save alot of accidents and road rage incidents.

    • Is that so? That may explain a lot… Do you know if that is the same for trucks?

      But yeh, I don't think it is the car that is the problem, if they get used for their intended purposes then I'm all for it.

  • +1
    • +1

      We need more eyes on this video. Great post.

  • I guess same as phones ! everyone liked iPhone mini, in theory, in practice most people didn't buy it

  • A good tactic for insurance, drive an old Mitsu CE mirage

    I got rear ended because the ute driver couldn't see me (ie the entire mirage), so when I came to a stop to turn BANG

    His insurance gave me more than market value and I got to keep the car and wreck it out.

    I would accept a minor concussion for over 5 grand any day of the week

  • SUV's and Utes are quite popular as they fit into the Australian landscape quite well.
    The state of public transport in Australia is abysmal!
    Its much easier and cheaper to drive if you are one a week or two week holiday interstate or anywhere is Australia rather than fly and take taxi everywhere.

  • If you can only afford one car, its wise to get one that allows for weekend getaways as well.

  • I'm hoping that when they transition to a road user charges, I hope they also include charges based on a vehicle's kerb weight. This means those people who drive SUV's or UTEs and/or vehicles that have a heavy battery pack and drive a lot of KMs pay the most while those who drive lightweight cars and drive very little KMs pay the least.

    This is the most fair way.

    • You'll be crying when the cost of goods increase due to the increased transport costs. Trucks are very heavy.

      • Currently they already pay higher fuel excise anyway (because they consume higher quantities of fuel). Some industries (mining, agriculture) are given a fuel rebate as they don't use as much public roads and they can probably avail of this for the road user charges they pay.

        • What on earth does that have to do with you wanting to make road usage charges based on weight?

          • @brendanm: Higher weight = higher fuel consumption = higher excise duty paid anyway based on current regime (51.6 cents per litre)

            In my proposed regime:

            Higher weight = higher road user charges. Depending on the dollar amount of the road user charge, I don't think there would be much of a difference between the current and my proposed regime (assuming that you remove the fuel excise duty or full rebate of fuel excise duty in return for road user charges being paid). This is for businesses.

            For personal vehicles, I don't tax dollars to subsidise the lifestyle of those who purchase utes and large SUVs, which have a higher potential to damage roads vs those who choose to drive lightweight vehicles or even those who chose not to drive at all.

            • @nomadspartan: Remove the fuel excise 😂 Pigs may also fly.

              For personal vehicles, I don't tax dollars to subsidise the lifestyle of those who purchase utes and large SUVs

              They don't, they use more fuel so pay more.

              • +1

                @brendanm: But some tradies are also driving their vehicles on the occasional weekend for fun and that offends me.

              • +1

                @brendanm: They do get subsidised in the case of utes, because of tax concessions afforded to them (FBT concessions, underclaiming personal use %, and other general tax rorting behaviour).

            • -1

              @nomadspartan: Lets do it to trucks the same way as your not so well thought out reasoning and add your cost of living would go through the roof:)

              3 of my 4wds are 1800kg, most full electric cars are up at 2 tons, i say they need to pay way more in road tax for they damage they cause on narrow tyres.

              Most 4wds (not all) have wide tyres and lower pressures that spread the load more compared to their size, unlike heavy electric vehicles.:)

              The old narrow tyres on wet grass will show which does more damage:)

              • +1

                @tonywind: FYI - I didn't neg you.

                Society is better off with reduced car ownership, or owning smaller cars, as they're such an inefficient form of transportation, which my proposed policy is also trying to encourage. Smaller cars are also safer for non-road users such as pedestrians and cyclists, and are a better fit for the increased living density that our cities are moving towards.

                Maybe weight isn't as good a measure for "large" vehicles, maybe vehicle length is a more optimal measure, I don't know. But I'd love to see smaller, more efficient cars make a comeback, rather than the Everests, MUXs and UTEs being used for family town duties. Honestly, I'm an advocate for removing all FBT benefits for UTEs.

                You're more than welcome to own multiple 4WDs, as long as you pay to use them, based on the distance driven and how heavy/big they are.

  • if i had to choose between a sedan and SUV to drive, It'd be sedan all day long.

  • Proper 4WD all the way.

  • +1

    I wanted my husband to get a Ute because he can't reverse with a trailer for nuts.

  • Love my utes and 4WD. I have Toyota Hilux and Forerunner, Dmax, Holden Ve ute, Silverado 2500hd for towing. They all get used and all in perfect condition. The rego on 4WD's and Utes is over the top but such is life. Having 4 kids i also have a few sedans and hatches which i bought and pay rego and insurance on. Toyota corolla, 2 x Toyota Echo's, Toyota AE86, Lexus IS250, SSS Nisan Pulsar and a Jensen Healey.

    Some Utes are work Vehicles and some are performance Vehicles. There are very few Big American cars in Australia Compared to Japanese/Thai 4wd's.

    Each to there own i say.:)

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