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Samsung 28" LU28E85KRS 4K-UDH 3840x2160 1ms-GTG LED Monitor - $399 + Delivery (Was $545) @ MSY
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There are good TN panels and bad IPS panels
Is this a good TN panel? Do these things still look terrible at an angle or have they improved them to be indistinguishable from IPS?
I have this monitor and its nice. Decent colour reproduction, very sharp picture BUT. It's still a TN panel, so you do have the angle issue. It's not that big of a deal but if you're sensitive to that, you'll want to stay away.
… I usually sit in front of my screen, I think it wont matter much.
@Tuba: Sitting straight on to her now, she looks great. Definitely current gen TN panels are a BIG step up from previous ones.
I've also used current gen IPS panels and I don't think they're all that to be honest. The light bleed issues (just keep exchanging until you get one you like) and the IPS glow itself I find quite annoying.
You can't make up for a flawed technology. TN. No thanks. IPS all the way, the colour is just amazing. If you are buying 4k for clarity and quality, you want an IPS.
IPS isn't perfect either. Yes the colour reproduction is pretty amazing when coming from a TN, but in most other factors I think they're pretty even.
@Sxio: You're right, they're not perfect. The colours are just amazing, no comparison with washy TN colours. IPS has far better viewing angles.
As with any monitor, if you want quality you need to pay more of course. But base TN vs base IPS, IPS wins. Quality TN vs Quality IPS, IPS wins.
The only real difference is the slight response time difference, which is truly negligible. If you're a gamer and really understand everything that goes into input lag, the 4ms you might see in an IPS panel is nothing.
But the question here (I think, hard to find reviews on this display, but it feels quality to me) is quality TN vs base IPS. So it's based on user preference, but I think someone at this budget really can't go wrong with this screen.
But I also speak from experience, I had and returned an ASUS PG279Q. I loved it, but it had a dead pixel. When I returned it, the shop would only refund. Yes the colours were glorious and anything over 100hz feels so smooth. But was it worth 3.5x what this model samsung is going for? No. No it wasn't. It was good, but not worth the price premium.
It was really nice to have the opportunity to have it in my home for a week though, but was a bit of a relief to have the money come back into my account as well.
I've got this monitor. This isn't a good TN panel - viewing angles are atrocious. I only use it for work so it isn't too bad for me. Great price.
? TN is generally better for gaming, much faster input response.
The 1ms vs 4ms response is absolutely nothing in the big scheme of things. Before worrying about your 4ms response time on your monitor. Get a gsync monitor or something with super high refresh rates and your 4ms becomes completely negligible.
To add to this further, there is also "input processing" lag, eg total lag from monitor = pixel transition lag + monitor processing time.
For example, see the graph in this link (takes a while to load the page): http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/content/lg_34uc79g.htm#l… - you will see the lag comprised of the two components. For some monitors, the processing time can be huge (shown in red).
Also worth reading about motion blur reduction techniques: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/motion_blur.htm
@drojf: Very true. You might have a 1ms TN vs a 4ms IPS but the IPS input processing on the IPS screen may be much faster than the TN depending on the quality of the product (or vice versa still).
I was worried about the 1ms vs 4ms response time initially, but after doing all the research and putting it into perspective, you're looking at a negligible difference. Bought a 144hz 1440p IPS monitor for gaming and i've just been so impressed, very happy I didn't go for a TN panel.
@DrDollar: 144hz ips generally costs a decent amount more than a TN 144hz? So I guesss it comes down to a persons budget.
Reaction times for expected events are between 150ms and 500ms with a median of around 250ms. For unexpected events they are around the 1500ms mark.
Putting it another way there is 100ms time difference between the best and average player. If you happen to be in the < 1% that might be at the lower end of the range then maybe that 4ms difference at the monitor is important.
Brilliant first post DingDing!
A ripper of a deal and very nice monitor.
Ding ding ding ding BINGO!
Is this a good deal for $400?
Doesn't seem to be very popular for a 28" 4k Samsung monitor
EDIT: I posted a link relating to a different Samsung panel
Silly question, would this be suitable as an external monitor for a Dell Inspiron 11 3000? (From This deal)
I've ordered one for my GF, but I know she will want a normal-size monitor when she's using it at home, and I don't know what parameters I should be thinking about…
Just get a 27" 1080P monitor instead. Don't get a 4k monitor like this.. There's always a lot of connectivity issues displaying native 4k (30hz vs 60hz depending on HDMI version, etc..)
http://www.umart.com.au/umart1/pro/Products-details.phtml?id…
- something like this is better suited for you. You've got an inspiron 11 - which is quite an entry level, great laptop. A 1920x1080 monitor is much better suited and will give you a better overall user experience.
Even a basic 1920x1080 - 22/24 Inch monitor will be fine. $150 :)
Thanks very much, that's super helpful!
I'll look for a 1920x1080 ~24/27" monitor then, sounds perfect! :)
At 1080p, I'd really recommend a 24" monitor. For 27" and above, you'd really want to be at 2560x1440 at a minimum unless you're sitting quite far away from the monitor. Remember that at the same resolution, going to a bigger monitor just makes things bigger, it doesn't give you more screen real estate to move things around. 24" is really comfortable at 1080p and is good for having two documents side by side.
At 1080p, I'd really recommend a 24" monitor
Cheers, will do. Thanks very much! (Edit: while you're here, do you think I need to get IPS?)
I think it depends on what she wants to use it for.
Gaming: Probably no, as you're gonna need some serious GPU power to run at 4k
Productivity: 4k is great as it is 4x 1080p, so you can have 4 full sized 1080p windows within your screen (so you can edit a full sized 1080p video in just a quarter of the screen)
Movies: Sure, 4k should be fine to run off that laptop provided you have a movie that is 4kIf she's not actually going to use 4k, then I'd suggest going for a cheaper 24-27inch screen as I believe there are scaling issues with 4k (so if you're not going to take advantage of 4k then you're just absorbing all the disadvantages)
I hope that helped!
what she wants to use it for
Mainly browsing, and Google Docs/Sheets. A little low-power graphical statistical stuff with special software.
No gaming, movies, or editing.
When I saw this I thought a nice big screen might be easier on her bad eyes, but I just asked and she likes her work 24" monitor just fine… So yes, I'll look for a ~24" then :)
Thanks very much, appreciate the info!
Not a good idea, you'll be capped at 30hz since that laptop only has hdmi 1.4
As a general rule your monitor shouldn't be substantially more expensive than your computer, stick with a 1080p display for that laptop. Buying a 4k display for that laptop is a waste of money unless you intend to upgrade your computer later down the line.
Thanks! I had no idea HDMI had different versions, I thought it was just a cable; I'm glad I asked!
No, we won't upgrade anytime soon, I'll look for something 1080p. Cheers!
I have this monitor and its a great price. Really nice picture on this one.
im not a gamer and i find 28" @4k too small for coding/dev work. not all software supports high dpi settings. i think 32" or ideally 40" is the sweet spot for a 4k monitor
I find 1440p to be the sweet spot for coding on this size monitor.
Will this work with Mac Mini (thinking of getting it from the JB HiFi deal)
Thanks
Not sure if same monitor but i bought Samsung U28E85KRS 28" (without the L) from Futu ebay during 20% sale in March and paid $560 for this so this is surely a good deal.
Damn I bought it from MSY themselves for 550+, less than a week ago.
Thoughts?
Annoyed?
Annoyed yes! Not too bad of a monitor when powering from the latest macbook pro. The 2011 macbook pro upscales to a terrible display.
$28 shipping.
Can someone recommend me a monitor for gaming on PS4. I mainly play FPS so something with low input lag and no motion blur.
I have read TN panels are the way to go but also that there are some IPS panels out there that are almost as responsive/no lag like the TN ones.
Budget is $300 MAX. I wouldn't mind an IPS one that's got low input lag but all the ones I've come across suffer from motion blur when gaming. Will be using it as a PC monitor too so leaning towards an IPS.
You'll have a difficult time finding a decent IPS for $300. TN will be better in terms of response time. IPS is better in terms of colour. So it will depend on if you prefer online games, or single player as to which would suit you.
Picked up a benq gaming one (rl2455) and it looks and feels awesome. I had to set the brightness and contrast very low otherwise it was too bright/hurt my eyes.
This was exactly what I was looking for, I think I made the right choice going with a TN over an IPS for gaming.
These are decent for an average user doing a mix of productivity/games/videos/web etc.
Are these (UHD) monitors of any benefit when my laptop will only output at 1080p for photo editing.
Would love the extra real estate over a 24", and I've read 1080p are too pixelated at 27", but I can't seem to find any info on whether I can use this res/size combo at 1080p.
Thanks!!For extra $75 The LG is a better buy.
Sweet deal! How are MSY with shipping?
(profanity), missed it!
TN panel, no thanks….