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Adler A110 12 Gauge Lever Action Shotgun - Walnut 20" $599 @ Cleaver Firearms

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Cheaper than previous deals for the Adler and this time with Walnut stock

Adler A110 12 Gauge walnut stock lever action shotgun.
20" barrel, timber stock and forend
3 chokes 5 shot

New $599

Previous deals with synthetic stock. See these for comments, etc:
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/318830
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/323510

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        • +2

          You're right… laws simply don't work… we should just get rid of ALL of them hey!

        • +3

          @kudoz: and taxes

        • +2

          @kudoz: Have you heard the argument of judges that certain laws just make law breakers of normal citizens? He is right because not all laws are good. reductio ad absurdum, doesnt help you.

          Heres another tip. Youre assuming laws are about curbing behaviour, when in fact they are about providing a series of remedy(ies). That is, if you break said law, you will be punished, and or removed from society. But they cant do that if no law exists to be in breach of for said remedy. You can hope they curb behaviour, but thats not its function. Or as said, the only law that works is one that has never been prosecuted.

    • +3

      It's OK to say NO!

      :-)

    • +2

      Can I get a bump stock for these?

    • +2

      According to pro gunners in the good ol US of A, if there were more guns, someone near the event may have had a firearm handy to incapacitate the perp.

      Ye cannot fight em good ol logic.

      • +12

        Yeah except that scenario would likely play out thus:
        1) Good Guy Gun owner 1 whips out legally concealed handgun (IMO who would take a rifle to a concert?) and starts firing towards window.
        2) GGG1 misses due to range but fortunately only damages the building.
        3) GGG2 sees GGG1 firing and shoots GGG1 in the chest.
        4) GGG3 sees GGG2 shoot GGG1 and shoots GGG2.
        etc…
        n) Officer Shortstack sees GGGn shoot GGGn-1 and shoots GGGn.

        • +4

          Or everyone of those big ego overcompensating rootin tootin gun shootin cowboys will be in shock as soon as the first shot is fired and will be too busy trying to conceal the spontaneous lemonade and brownies to even remember they had a gun.

          Example you ask? Pretty much every shooting in the USA. When did you last see a headline that read "mass shooting averted by weapons ready civilian?".

        • +3

          @tshow: If you dont make is possible to see them, you probably would miss them… but you know, dont let that get in the way of claiming things you dont know, mustnt happen.

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201…
          for example…
          Chicago, an Uber driver with a concealed-carry permit “shot and wounded a gunman [Everardo Custodio] who opened fire on a crowd of people.”

          And thats just some mass shootings. There is at least one female ex or off duty copper who not only shot but actively sought the nutter shooter out. He was hell bent on killing people at a church with thousands of guests. edit: I didnt read the full list, but i think shes number 8

          There are countless times a gun owner has saved lives, their own, and others. And Im not saying tomluts scenario above wouldnt happen, or couldnt, or that anyone should take it on. Just that people have, and lives were saved.

        • @Tuba:
          I stand corrected. Good find.

        • @Tuba:

          for example…
          Chicago, an Uber driver with a concealed-carry permit “shot and wounded a gunman [Everardo Custodio] who opened fire on a crowd of people.”

          I thought Chicago IL had very strict gun control laws so no conceal carry?

          If there is strong gun control it is weird 'cause there is a lot of gun crime there… every day… so much that it almost makes what happened in LV statistically insignificant.

        • +1

          @owli: If this is an official site, cant say if it is or isnt. Might want to let Chicago police know if they cant. https://www.ispfsb.com/

          Illinois have CCL, and out of state persons can CCL in a vehicle if they can conceal and carry in home state.

        • +2

          @Tuba: As a Licensed gun owner and shooter myself I still think the US gun laws are insane. for every life you see saved over their by a gun you will literally find a 1000 more taken by one.

        • @gravewax: Im aware, but its pulled out as reason for draconian laws too, when it is in fact a place oftne with NO gun laws. They are arguing for a moderate level of control related at least to mental health etc, criminal history, licences and registration.

          Our laws are draconian, and argument in favour of them oversimplified and ignorant. Its ironic that they think shooters are ignorant because they all must want to kill something. I dont want to kill anything, but I would if I had too.

          id like to protect my home. If I shoot someone getting in my car, I go to jail. If they are running away across the street with my jewels in hand, and I shoot them I go to jail. If i shoot them in my house at 3am, I dont.

      • +2

        "We actually have members of our crew with CHL licenses, and legal firearms on the bus.

        They were useless."

        https://twitter.com/Calebkeeter/status/914872808110510080/ph…
        via:
        http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-03/guitarist-caleb-keeter…

    • +2

      Meh, this is a five shot shotgun. Nobody killing anyone from a high story window using a five shot shotgun.

      • Why's that exactly… think the bullets going to slow down to harmlessness as gravity pulls them down? <_<

        • +2

          Shotguns don't fire bullets, they fire shot (pellets) or (rarely) slugs. Shot does not group well over distance, reducing its lethality and slugs are wildly inaccurate over distance.

        • Bullets slow down over distance due to air resistance.
          Shotguns either fire slugs or shot which are not as ballistically stable as a rifle round so over longer distance become much less effective.
          Also shotguns take considerable time to reload after the initial loaded shots are fired.

          A car or truck would probably make a more effective mass murder weapon.

        • What the others said. <_<

    • Hope you're not a retired accountant…

    • "Guns don't kill people, people kill people". Wait…that's the old slogan and it sounds baloney so the public won't buy it anymore. How about this?

      "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"….Hmmm, that didn't work either. What about the latest one?

      "This Is The Price Of Freedom"

  • +21

    too early…too early

    • +3

      reddit.com/r/conspiracy is an interesting read at this time of day

      • There's some amazing things on there.

        • +7

          Amazingly stupid. A collection of people with an axe to grind against the US government and Jews, who contort evidence or plain make it up to reach their goals.

        • -4

          @Cluster:

          All I heard was "baaaaaa"

        • @Cluster:
          Sounds like a great website actually. I'll go check it out now.

      • +1

        The worst thing is when these events happen, gun manufacturers stocks go up, so those who have shares profit and I’m sure they’re not for gun control.

        So with that in mind, make it easier for mentally unstable people to get guns, sit back and wait to cash in

    • +1

      Theres no such thing as too early, guns are always a bad idea, the more guns and weapons any society has as a general rule it turns out into a shithole. Im not talking rare cases im talking in general. The vast majority of times, more weapons means more violence, b e it America, Afghanistan or Somalia for starters. Weapons dont make a scoeity safer, they make it more violent, and who needs that ?

      • +2

        Can you back that up with some facts.

        Since World War 2, the world has existed in the most peaceful period of human history, yet there are more and more guns.

        I'm against the liberal ownership of guns, but please don't think making up information helps your point.

        • +2

          Since World War 2, the world has existed in the most peaceful period of human history,

          Guns have nothing to do with world peace, you have zero evidence to make that giant leap.

          yet there are more and more guns.

          How about we compare gun deaths in AUS v USA. instead of your quasi unfounded bullshit.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r…

          Australia 0.93 (2013) 0.16 (2013) 0.74 (2013) 0.02 (2013) 0.02 (2013) Guns in Australia[3]
          United States 10.54 (2014) 3.60 (2014) 6.30 (2014) 0.18 (2014) 0.08 (2014) Guns in United States[76] 112.6

          Now apologise for your bullshit and lies.

        • +4

          @ninetyNineCents:

          "Guns have nothing to do with world peace, you have zero evidence to make that giant leap."

          In no way did I claim that guns made the world a safer place, so why say that I did? Control your bias please and apologise for claiming I did.

          How does the information you linked actually show more guns equal more violence, or more murders specifically?

          Countries listed by number of guns per capita:
          Countries listed by number of murders per capita:

          Notice the lack of correlation, perhaps you should do some research before jumping on a soap box. United States is 1st for the guns per capita, yet is 94th for murders per capita.

        • +2

          @FabMan:

          In no way did I claim that guns made the world a safer place, so why say that I did?

          Your first sentence tried in some strange way to imply more guns helped world peace.

          United States is 1st for the guns per capita, yet is 94th for murders per capita.

          And Australia is #201, which proves Australias own harmony with far fewer guns must be an even better idea.

        • +3

          @ninetyNineCents:

          "Your first sentence tried in some strange way to imply more guns helped world peace."

          No it didn't, it was to point out "The vast majority of times, more weapons means more violence" is not based on any evidence.

          "And Australia is #201, which proves Australias own harmony with far fewer guns must be an even better idea."

          You don't get it do you? There is no evidence to prove your point, you should work for Trumps office, you'd do well.

          I'm not pro guns, I'm anti 'lack of evidence yet spout my feelings as facts'.

        • https://www.iraqbodycount.org/

          Thats just Iraq. Not Syria, africa.

        • @TheBilly:

          The point being?

          The horrible deaths that have been occuring recently and the wars that are happening across the world doesn't change that major powers have stopped fighting each other openly since 1945.

          These horrible events that you mentioned are horrific, but they wouldn't compare to if USA and its allies went to war with China and their allies.

          All through history, nearly every nation has been fighting another nation, war war war. Some countries are still openly fighting, but not as many as there use to be.

        • @FabMan:

          No it didn't, it was to point out "The vast majority of times, more weapons means more violence" is not based on any evidence.

          Except it does, take a look at the wiki article regarding gun deaths, which ive mentioned else where in this post.

          99: And Australia is #201, which proves Australias own harmony with far fewer guns must be an even better idea."

          FM: You don't get it do you? There is no evidence to prove your point, you should work for Trumps office, you'd do well.

          99: How hypocrtical of you, when you mention that american isnt #1 as proof and then i best you with australia im somehow wrong. You cant have it both ways.

          FM: I'm not pro guns, I'm anti 'lack of evidence yet spout my feelings as facts'.

          99: I shared facts about gun violence and deaths from wiki. Its got a simple table with lots of numbers and shows as a general observation less guns means less deaths.

        • @ninetyNineCents: More deaths using guns as a weapon doesn't automatically mean more murders.

          Did you read and understand the information you linked ninetyNineCents? The list of deaths per 100,00 include suicides by guns as well, that isn't more violence, that is a more messier form of suicide, as people without access to guns also kill themselves. It also includes justifiable homicides, such as self defence. So that isn't a more violence, that is preventing violence happening to the defender by using a gun.

          Again, I'm not arguing for guns, I'm telling you to do some bloody research. Reading your posts are painful as it is filled with ignorance at a staggering level. Considering I've posted information making it clear for you and you've posted information you haven't read or at least understood.

          Please stop responding to me until you've done some further reading, it is embarrassing.

          Edit:
          I do believe that certain weapons make mass killings possible, like the horrible event in Las Vegas recently. Removing those type weapons would have dramatically reduced the number of casualties. But statistically speaking, it merely doubled the average murder rate per day in the US as it averages to 44 per day.

        • @FabMan:

          The list of deaths per 100,00 include suicides by guns as well, that isn't more violence

          Yes and many of those mass shootings end up with suicides.

          What is wrong with you ?

          It also includes justifiable homicides, such as self defence

          So us facts that the difference of 11:1 is made up of self defence stories. We all know they are a small number and if we remove them from the American total they easily are at least 10:1.

          Reading your posts are painful as it is filled with ignorance at a staggering level.

          Here we go again, you make up complete bullshit, without supporting evidence, and now you start again with the ad hom attacks.

          Next time you want to make up some bullshit claim, back it with facts.

          . But statistically speaking, it merely doubled the average murder rate per day in the US as it averages to 44 per day.

          Stop bullshitting , prove it.

        • @ninetyNineCents:

          I did provide information, are you simple? Read the information I linked. You have provided zero facts backing up your beliefs.

        • -1

          @FabMan:

          I did provide information, are you simple? Read the information I linked.

          Wrong again, you have never provided a single url, in fact your previous comment above here, is just a list with no personal summary to express the point you are trying to make.

          You have provided zero facts backing up your beliefs.

          Wrong again, i provided a link to wiki which sources its data from world governments. Those are facts not beliefs.

          It would appear you dont know the difference or are too dishonest to understand the concept of quoting government sources which you have failed to do.

        • @FabMan:

          Love how you think major powers arent fighting one another. Ignorat bliss is a great thing. Russia has troops on the ground in Syria "right now" and Merica is in the sky bombing. Its only a build up until they both are at each other. Even ww1 and ww2 had proxy wars building up to the big war.

        • @TheBilly: "stopped fighting each other openly"

          That is what I wrote, please read. Are the USA and Russia at war with each other? No, they are not. Are you living in a nuclear holocaust? No, you are not. USA is not in open war with any big power, in fact, no big power is at war with another big power. When in history has that happened for such a long period of time? I'm very aware of proxy wars, that is why I mentioned a couple of times "openly". Big nations use money to fight against each other, and yes people die, but not at the same % as history has recorded.

          https://ourworldindata.org/slides/war-and-violence/#/1
          https://www.good.is/articles/closer-to-peace-than-ever
          https://www.salon.com/2014/01/15/were_living_through_the_mos…
          http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2…
          http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/26/obama-were-l…
          http://history.howstuffworks.com/historical-events/most-peac…

      • +1

        Umm sweden

        • High gun ownership, low murder rate.

        • @FabMan:

          Where is your proof for this statement…

        • @ninetyNineCents:

          I provided information already showing the number of guns per capita, Sweden is 10th in the world, while ranked 174th in the world for the homicide rate per 100,000 inhabitants. Did you not read the information already provided, or did you keep assuming your opinion is right because you feel strongly about it?

          Top 10 rankings of guns per capita and there related homicide rate:
          1. US - 94th
          2. Canada - 158th
          3. Serbia -175th
          4. Yemen - 80th
          5. Cyprus - 172nd
          6. Saudi Arabia - 164th
          7. Finland - 159th
          8. Iraq - 65th
          9. Uruguay - 59th
          10. Sweden - 174th

          It is good that you are passionate, but do some research, it'll help your arguments and if you ever want to champion your cause it can only help you.

        • -1

          @FabMan:

          I provided information already showing the number of guns per capita, Sweden is 10th in the world, while ranked 174th in the world for the homicide rate per 100,000 inhabitants

          And Sweden is an anomaly. We cant talk about exceptions to the rule, we must look at the general case.

          Did you not read the information already provided, or did you keep assuming your opinion is right because you feel strongly about it?

          Learn to use stats correctly and honestly and not cherry pick.

        • @ninetyNineCents:

          Sweden isn't an anomaly, as the rest of the list shows. Please read and comprehend the information provided.

          I don't have time to deal with idiots, you are blocked.

        • -1

          @FabMan:

          Sweden isn't an anomaly, as the rest of the list shows.

          What does it show ?

          As per the typical loser you spend more time insulting than writing complete sentences to make a point.

        • @FabMan:

          Agreed

  • +3

    Brace yourself. Controversy is coming.

  • +18

    This may be useful assisting with obtaining some of the other bargains listed today.

    • +31

      The UE speakers? "I DON'T WANT A REFUND! GIMME THEM $19 SPEAKERS!"

  • +5

    Ah good, this shouldn't cause any controversy…

  • America creep. Yeah but walnut's nice ;-)

    Profit orientated sales!!!

  • I will be disappointed if this post doesnt get at least 50 comments

  • -1
  • -6

    Is it a bargain? what's the RRP?

    • This is below the cost that other dealers could buy this for, so yes it is a bargain.

      • +3

        proof please

        • I'm aware this sounds like a massive cop out, but I'm unable to release wholesale prices without breaching policies. I will say that Cleaver Firearms purchases goods in very very large quantities which allows them to chuck 10% on after GST and still make money though bulk sales. This is why other stores have prices on the Adler no where near this, not because they are being stingy, but because they can't actually match it without going below cost.

        • @Elderlymango:

          I've just messaged 3 of my local Melbourne stores to see if they can match. Not holding my breath.

          So far one has said it's below their cost.

        • @2jzzzz: I suspect if any store in Melbourne were able to do this it would be Gunco or Clayton Firearms, they operate in a similar manner to Cleaver Firearms.

        • @Elderlymango:

          But someone could supply RRP (not wholesale) pricing of other retailers?

        • +3
        • +6

          @nocure:

          I was hoping you were going to give a link to Officeworks so we could price match.

    • +5

      I don't know what half the stuff on here is worth but that doesn't mean I downvote. Seems a bit unfair..

    • +5

      So you downvote, but proceed to ask a question to justify your downvote? Hahahah, wow!

  • +9

    no-one cares about your thoughts and opinions on guns folks, so if you're here for that - there's plenty of forums available to discuss this.
    added marks for posting dealers license @OP

      • +1

        You can be ignored also, I didn't ignore you, but you can be.

    • +18

      I literally only clicked the link to see the anti-gun comments.

    • +3

      Who appointed you Rogue Leader???

      • +1

        Supreme Leader Snoke

        …im sure someone will get this

  • +14

    Deal comes with free trigger.

  • This is for pig shooting.
    Link: https://www.nioa.com.au/products/view/A11020

  • +18

    These fireman deals seem to attract a lot of positive votes quickly. I wonder if they are legitimate votes or just for stirring the pot.

    • +6

      Hopefully that's a typo and you mean 'firearms' and not 'fireman'. That'd be an insult to firemen.

      • +9

        Poster hosed down after shooting self in foot.

    • +1

      Well you know, people like fireman. They are considered heroes.
      Strange that there was no Village People fireman, really.

      • +1

        The fireman helmet of the times kept falling off during all the moves of "YMCA" so they replaced him with the American Indian (they weren't called Native Americans, yet).

    • +4

      Agreed. Either these are really good deals, people are just shit stirring, or the term Reddit loves: "shills".

      I'd rather the shitty eBay deals get 500 up votes than these gun posts make it to the front page.

      Not sure why these gun posts have made it to the frontpage so frequently recently.

      • +10

        They get votes because they are bargains, the uneducated comments from the normal trolls are entertaining though.

        • +6

          no they are not put up as bargains. they are put up seeking attention and silly comments. the same as the condom posts.

        • +3

          @Dont Care:

          Unlike portable toilet posts. You wouldn't get any shitty comments there….

    • +6

      I gave it a +, as a licensed firearms owner that has been looking at one of this for pig shooting. It's a cracking price.

      • I wonder if everybody and their mum got a firearm, what the social implications of that would be to firearm owners.
        Would they be like, not fair I had it first?
        Or I got mine before it was cool?
        Perhaps, they would push for gun reforms themselves?

        Quite interested, as there's a lot of vocal owners out there, for some reason I can't fathom, they use their possession to justify how they are better than someone else.

        It's like when I first had a Face Book in late-2005, when it was closed to the public. Yes, I was a geeky teenager at the time and was quite "wowed" at the time. Then in 2008 or so, anybody could have a Facebook account, and it no longer seemed like something special. Now, I don't even use it anymore.

        • Why wouldn't be just like most other products? Brand name snobs, alternative snobs, classics collectors, budget models and best bang for buck models.

    • +5

      Given recent events and the reactions these deals typically get already for being a gun post I call pure troll on this deal post. A very insensitive troll at that.

      As for the upvotes even pathetic 0.000001% eBay or Cashback deals get upvoted a lot so can't really get much from them either.

      • +5

        I suggest you put down your duff and book some time at the range, you might learn something.

    • +4

      I upvote them because they're good deals. Getting to watch all the lefties get up in arms about it is a bonus.

      • +1

        I'm a lefty that likes guns, so what does that mean?

  • +6

    I am specifically looking for protection rifles please

    • +3

      protection from what ?

      legally firearms need to be stored in a safe, and not sure how many people want a gun safe for rifles in their bedroom or living room, and then you still need to have the key handy if you hear intruders, hence meth dealers keeping firearms under furniture for ready access during bad deals, or for kids to get access to, and kill someone with.

      Firearms in the community, my gunsafe was stolen, ripped off the floor and wall it was bolted to whilst I was on holidays. Neighbours said though it was legit trades people with the ute that was used to carry the safe away. Must be a lot of stolen firearms and more lucrative than selling stolen gardening equipment or power tools.

      • +3

        I'm pretty sure it's sarcasm…

      • +4

        Same here; our safe was bolted to the wall and into a concrete floor. We were done on Christmas Day when we were at our daughter's house for dinner.

        Funny, though, that NOBODY (not out children, not our friends and my husband installed the safe by himself) knows where the safe is except for the cops who did the safe check. It took them over 6 hours to show up and they didn't bother taking the tools the crims had brought with them.

        • WOW!

        • +1

          The same happened to a friend. After they had the safe checked, the firearms were stolen.

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