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Adler A110 12 Gauge Lever Action Shotgun - Walnut 20" $599 @ Cleaver Firearms

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Adler A110 12 Gauge Lever Action Shotgun - Walnut 20" $599 @ Cleaver Firearms
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dhoneybun on 05/10/2017 - 09:43 cleaverfirearms.com (3774 clicks)
Last edited 05/10/2017 - 14:18 by 2 other users

Cheaper than previous deals for the Adler and this time with Walnut stock

Adler A110 12 Gauge walnut stock lever action shotgun.
20" barrel, timber stock and forend
3 chokes 5 shot

New $599

Previous deals with synthetic stock. See these for comments, etc:
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https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/323510

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        • ninetyNineCents on 05/10/2017 - 22:02
          +1

          @me3:

          Thats right less guns in the community helps reduce gun violence. Let me share another secret with your if there was no guns in australia there would be no gun deaths as well.

        • TheBilly on 07/10/2017 - 22:23
          +1

          @ninetyNineCents:

          Funny thing is statistically gun violence has increased under greater regulation.

    • jacross on 05/10/2017 - 15:05

      I'm not sure one follows from the other. Gun availability is surely a factor in the US's gun homicide and gun death issues but it is merely one of a slew of debated and hypothesised issues. The US is a statistical anomaly.

      Nobody is all 'hey don't turn Australia into Canada/Switzerland etc'.

      • ninetyNineCents on 05/10/2017 - 15:09
        +2

        The US is a statistical anomaly.

        More lies. First of all the US isnt the only country with lots of weapons. There are countless third world shitholes with a lot of weapons, eg Afghanistan and Somalia and countless other places rarely on the news.

        Half hte middle east has guns and other weapons or havent you heard the news ?

        • jacross on 05/10/2017 - 16:08
          +1

          I'm not saying the US is a statistical anomaly in terms of gun ownership per population (although it is). I'm saying it's a statistical anomaly in terms of total gun deaths and gun homicides for first world countries.

          I'm not sure if you are coming at me from a pro or anti gun side but the facts are the US has an unusually high level of homicide and suicides for a country of per population GDP and first world status. That said homicides have markedly decreased in the US over the decades.

          If you like guns, cool. US is weird though. If you hate guns, cool. US is weird though.

        • ninetyNineCents on 05/10/2017 - 16:25
          +1

          @jacross:

          I'm not saying the US is a statistical anomaly in terms of gun ownership per population (although it is). I'm saying it's a statistical anomaly in terms of total gun deaths and gun homicides for first world countries.

          That isnt true at all, let figures speak for themselves… THe first column is deaths per 100k and US is 11x Australia…. now apologise for lying.

          GO read for yoruself if you want…

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r…

          Australia 0.93 (2013) 0.16 (2013) 0.74 (2013) 0.02 (2013) 0.02 (2013) Guns in Australia[3] 21.7

          United States 10.54 (2014) 3.60 (2014) 6.30 (2014) 0.18 (2014) 0.08 (2014) Guns in United States[76] 112.6

        • the urbanite on 05/10/2017 - 22:43

          @jacross:

          Jacross, Finland. Switzerland and the US state of Michigan have unusually high levels of gun deaths, despite being highly developed.

          These states have lax gun laws due to deer hunting culture or universal conscription (Switzerland). These states are among the most advanced and peaceful places on Earth. This tells us that easy access to firearms is directly the issue.

        • jacross on 06/10/2017 - 12:10

          @ninetyNineCents:

          I think we are trying to say the same thing. As an aside, you can't compare 2 data points from a broader data set and draw a conclusion as to whether a data point is an anomaly but it seems you are trying to paint the picture that the USA has an unusually high amount of gun deaths per 100k population. This is exactly the picture I'm trying to paint also. My claim is that the USA is way way way off trend (excluding obvious shitholes like you mentioned). Therefore looking at it to draw definitive conclusions about gun policy is problematic. I used the same data you are referring to and if you go to that data you will see this is the case. I'm not sure what argument you are trying to make or what argument you think I'm trying to make.

        • jacross on 06/10/2017 - 12:11

          @the urbanite: My bias is towards it being more complicated than that but cheers, I'll have a look at those data points at some point and see if you can tease out the causation you suggest, in an attempt to mitigate my bias. Sounds interesting.

        • ninetyNineCents on 06/10/2017 - 13:53

          @jacross:

          Therefore looking at it to draw definitive conclusions about gun policy is problematic.

          No its not, you are making things overly complicated, its pretty obvious the sensible conclusion is more guns means more shootings. Of course the people who do these horrible things have all sorts of problems, and society cant help them before the violence, but that doesnt change the fact having guns available help them in their often final moment of violence.

          People in Australia generally keep their guns locked up or whatever, many Americans take their guns with them. Im not saying it happened this time in LV, but it just wouldnt be acceptable if anyone walked about with a gun as often as we see in America. You cant take a gun on a plane and guess what less shootings, but if you allow guns on a plane, some nutter might just get an idea and try and shoot someone. Its that simple.

        • jacross on 06/10/2017 - 14:25

          @ninetyNineCents:

          I'm not making things overly complicated. Things are complicated. I'm just comfortable with that and like rigorous research and rigorous thinking. If it were just a matter of guns per pop, you'd get a nice pretty trend line and you don't. You get a pretty ugly trend line and smart minds start to ponder whether that correlation is the full picture. I never said it's not a factor. I'm quite comfortable with the hypothesis that it is a factor. I don't give a crap about gun policy either way to be honest, just the puzzle. I think we are looking for different things. In any case nothing I said earlier is anything other than fact. Anyone who chooses not to look at all the data has an agenda that I have no time for. I find these people on both sides of the so called debate. Peace dude.

        • ninetyNineCents on 06/10/2017 - 14:36

          @jacross:

          I'm not making things overly complicated. Things are complicated. I'm just comfortable with that and like rigorous research and rigorous thinking

          The problem i have with your statements is you are introducing and giving weight to factors that are irrelevant and ignore the basic facts i have shared.

          If it were just a matter of guns per pop, you'd get a nice pretty trend line and you don't.

          I didnt only say that, its about the fact in America guns tend to follow a lot of people to a lot of public places. If anyone tried to take their guns to the same pub places like America they would be arrest straight away here so they wouldnt try, while in USA they arent stopped at all, which gives them freedom of movement and the opportunity if they wish to find more victims.

          Nobody dies from gun shots on a plane because they arent allowed there, if they were allowed, then someone might one day grab one and use it. Introducing more guns to more places in society gives more opportunity.

        • jacross on 06/10/2017 - 14:37

          @the urbanite:

          Switzerland and Finland (particularly Finland) both seems to have a suicide issue. Ther rates of homicide are reasonably low. Much lower than the US of course. How you feel about that is up to you. Many would argue that lowering suicides by gun is a good thing (if it means a decrease in total suicides of course). I'm not entirely sold on that idea but I don't have a strong philosophical objection either.

          I haven't found data on Michigan. It does have a reputation as a State in extreme decline so I wouldn't be surprised to see high numbers. Like I said, I'm comfortable with the hypothesis that gun availability is a contributing factor to gun deaths.

        • jacross on 06/10/2017 - 14:42

          @ninetyNineCents: I actually directly used the basic facts you shared. We were using the exact same data to point out the exact same issue 'the US has an unusually large number of gun deaths'. I'm merely suggesting that pure gun availability doesn't fully explain the US issue. You seem to be wanting me to admit that it's a factor (it is). Your last post kinda just points out more evidence for why the US is an anomaly (it's culture is another factor, health care another, socioeconomic issues etc). Potentially of course. One must have data. One can't just dismiss them as irrelevant though when serious thinkers who aren't motivated by political or philosophical positions on guns are looking at these factors and analysing them. One can't just dismiss them as irrelevant when we have a whole world to use as a series of experiments. These data sets are golden nuggets. US v Australia is the analysis of the debater, not the thinker.

          At the end of the day that dude in Las Vegas also had a car bomb. The US has some multifaceted issues and 'reducing guns' isn't going to get us to the promised land. Is it a step in the 'right direction'? That's for people with some philosophical skin in the game.

        • ninetyNineCents on 06/10/2017 - 14:56
          +1

          @jacross:

          I'm merely suggesting that pure gun availability doesn't fully explain the US issue.

          There is a reasonable correlation between more guns in public and gun violence in the USA. I cant prove these in some number form but i think most people would agree with this statement.

          Your last post kinda just points out more evidence for why the US is an anomaly (it's culture is another factor, health care another, socioeconomic issues etc).

          Even if it is a different that doesnt change the facts i was stating before, that more guns in any form is the start of a gun violence problem.

          At the end of the day that dude in Las Vegas also had a car bomb.

          Thats true but guns are far more versatile if you want to kill. Y ouc ant take a car into a hotel room like he did. A person with a gun can also goto most places cars can on foot, notice i said most not all.

          The US has some multifaceted issues and 'reducing guns' isn't going to get us to the promised land. Is it a step in the 'right direction'?

          What s the right direction ?

        • jacross on 06/10/2017 - 16:37
          +1

          @ninetyNineCents:

          Re first statement, I agree and always have. I think you've believed I've been arguing otherwise. I've never been arguing about what causes gun violence. I've been arguing about using the USA as highlighted data point.

          Re second statement, 'gun violence problem' as a concept is too murky to get into. I'm not interested in debating that. But yes as I've said, there's a correlation between gun availability and gun deaths (which includes suicides). I'd want another look at the data before I committed to that correlation being strong or weak (my memory is hazy but leads towards weak positive correlation).

          Re third statement. Sure. Guns are versatile and there isn't much data to suggest a lack of guns equalling some sort of perverse substitution. I'm not suggesting that.

          Re fourth statement. I'm deliberately refusing to have a position on what the right direction is. Especially here but to be honest even overall. I used to be very anti guns, then very pro guns. Now I really don't care. I'm pro maths and pro statistical analysis. I'm only interested in finding out what direction x policy or societal issue leads. Whether that's the right or wrong direction I'll leave to those with a philosophical stance on the matter.

        • [Deactivated] on 06/10/2017 - 22:00

          @ninetyNineCents: and yet, they're not even in the top 10!
          Oh and 8 of the top 10 have less (in most instances, multiples less) guns than Australia!
          When will they learn, hey :)

        • ninetyNineCents on 09/10/2017 - 10:30

          @086:

          Oh and 8 of the top 10 have less (in most instances, multiples less) guns than Australia!

          How simple we are when you dont realise next to nobody carries guns during their daily lives while many of those other countries carrying a weapon is quite a common habit. Those stats are broken because they fail to convey or measure the fact that while Americans have X more guns than the average Australian it fails to mention that guns are with them 10X more frequently in their daily lives which means.

          Every country has trouble makers, but at least its safer when less people have guns and those that do have their guns more less frequently.

  • whooah1979 on 05/10/2017 - 14:42
    -2

    It takes eight down votes to remove an inappropriate negative deal vote. Keep them coming if you want this deal to stay on the front page.

  • BigLeviathan on 05/10/2017 - 14:43

    Huh? I thought it is illegal to have firearm in Aus?

    • nocure on 05/10/2017 - 14:46
      +2

      You're kidding…..

      • Dont Care on 05/10/2017 - 16:15
        +1

        Troll… how many comments for you now on the one thread all for a pathetic attention grab

        • nocure on 05/10/2017 - 17:31
          +2

          Just as many as you, but mine are constructive.

        • plague69 on 07/10/2017 - 09:41

          @nocure: to be fair, your comment was "you're kidding" :'D

          Anyway, I do agree… ”youre kidding right?"

          I hope you didn't vote on gay marriage knowing as much as you know about gun laws :)

    • [Deactivated] on 05/10/2017 - 14:59

      AFAIK, there is no country in the world with a totalitarian gun ban.

      All countries would need guns for national defence and presumably all countries use guns at varying levels of law enforcement.

      Most, if not all countries would have legal avenues for gun ownership. IE. For agriculture, hunting or marksmanship.

      USA is different because you do not need a lisence.

      • BigLeviathan on 05/10/2017 - 15:02

        Yup, apparently it is legal to have fiream in Vic:

        According to Herald Sun:

        Who can have a gun in Victoria?
        * Victorian individuals, organisations and government departments can hold a firearm licence
        * Must be a “fit and proper person”
        * Licences can be for juniors aged 12 to 18, or adults
        * Must have and maintain a “genuine reason” for needing the licence type

  • 2jzzzz on 05/10/2017 - 14:50

    Guns don't kill people, criminals kill people. And people that buy this gun will be licensed and law abiding. A criminal would not be rocking up with their licence to buy this and will get the gun on the black market.

    • BigLeviathan on 05/10/2017 - 15:03

      So true! it's like a knife does not kill people (as it can be used to chop onions)

    • ninetyNineCents on 05/10/2017 - 15:10
      +1

      and the less guns out there the better for everyone becaue those jerks will have a harder time getting a gun.

    • artfuldodger on 05/10/2017 - 15:32
      +3

      So the 12 yr old boy who shot himself in the face last month in regional NSW was a criminal?

      Guns don't kill people? lol. What's next……nuclear weapons don't kill people…

    • daver on 05/10/2017 - 16:16

      Guns don’t kill people. Bullets kill people. Fired from guns, brandished by people, who shoot you by accident or on purpose.

    • ninetyNineCents on 05/10/2017 - 22:05
      +1

      I guess with that logic, lets give nukes to all the crazy fundamentalist groups around the world, and lets give guns to all school kids, after all if all kids have guns surely it will stop strangers hanging about schools and it might stop bullying.

  • KBZ on 05/10/2017 - 14:53
    +2

    So we aren't gonna be policing the rules for neg votes?

    • Steven Reece Lewis on 05/10/2017 - 14:56
      +6

      No, ozbargin is pro gun now. I only found out today

      • [Deactivated] on 05/10/2017 - 15:23
        +5

        When someone does not agree with your principles, it doesn't mean they are completely against the ideology.

        You have managed to infer that OzBargain is pro gun because most people think your negative vote is invalid and a gun discount shouldn't be censored.

        Guns may be dangerous but facism has killed more people than bullets ever will.

        • Steven Reece Lewis on 05/10/2017 - 15:26
          +2

          So this is a free speech argument now? How come I can't link deals on other legal products like the type you buy in a sex store? Isn't that impacting my right to free speech. Why are these facists depriving me and others from sex toys and the like? I want a vibrator at a discount

        • [Deactivated] on 05/10/2017 - 15:30
          +1

          @FunbagsOfSatan:
          Free speech means freedom of expression in public spaces. OzBargain is not a public space. Tax payers do not fund OzBargain.

          Please educate yourself on the freedom of speech.

        • artfuldodger on 05/10/2017 - 15:37
          +1

          @tshow: OzB is a public place just as a newspaper is a public place. Nothing to do with taxpayer funding. Please educate yourself.

        • [Deactivated] on 05/10/2017 - 16:58
          +1

          @artfuldodger:
          My mistake. I should have added context. OzBargain is a public sphere but is a private institution. It has an owner and can dictate what is published and what isn't. Your right to free speech does not apply here.

          Your right to free speech means you can protest (in public spaces, ie streets, parliament steps, centrelink…) and you are allowed an avenue to lodge your complaints and concerns to your local representative.

          I didn't think it had to be spelt out but apparently I am wrong. I've overestimated common sense.

        • stonkered on 06/10/2017 - 07:37

          @FunbagsOfSatan:

          Are you really that obtuse or are you just having a bit fun?

        • plague69 on 07/10/2017 - 14:46

          @FunbagsOfSatan: that's true… Sex toys should be allowed.

          *If it does not link to an 18+ only site

    • kwijybo on 05/10/2017 - 14:57
      +2

      Mods don't seem to like interfering when deals are political because they end up with the "HELP, HELP I'M BEING REPRESSED" types from both sides, same for the free shirt deal and other Cleaver posts.

    • Moderatorhamza23 on 05/10/2017 - 15:21

      Mods follow the guidelines.

      Any negative vote that falls into any of these reasons will be revoked by a moderator. Negative votes for any other reason will not be removed by a moderator.

      Please use the report button or TWAM to contact moderators in future. HELP

      • WTF on 06/10/2017 - 09:26
        -4

        This deal has many more negative votes than it shows because the MOds have removed them as "inappropriate". We are banned from posting adult material (because PORN kills everyone) and anything to do with gambling (because slot machine clearly are lethal) but fine to post gun deals. Its laughable the mods claim that this is a fair or balanced process. Any such suggestion however and the mods hide behind their guidelines or gets you band so you cannot respond.

        Ultimately, OZbargin is a private website run by Scotty and Co and the rules reflect their views and belief.

        • wyrmy on 06/10/2017 - 11:46
          +2

          Just my 2c and cant speak on behalf of the mods. Both adult content and gambling have regulation implications for websites and advertising. It may not even impact obz but just dealing with that landmine is not worth the trouble in most cases. As far as I know that problem isnt as bad for legal firearm dealer ads.

        • OzBragain on 06/10/2017 - 15:42
          -1

          This deal has many more negative votes than it shows because the MOds have removed them as "inappropriate"

          The internet's a big place, if you don't like the site rule here then there go whinge somewhere else.

          We are banned from posting adult material (because PORN kills everyone) and anything to do with gambling (because slot machine clearly are lethal) but fine to post gun deals.

          If you honestly believe that porn and gambling deals aren't allowed here then you really do need to find somewhere new to hang out.

          Its laughable the mods claim that this is a fair or balanced process.

          Site rules were in place before anyone negged this deal simply because they don't like to product offered. If you don't like the rules then don't let the door hit you on the way out.

          This deal is for a product that is legal for anyone appropriately licensed and at a cheaper price than can be had elsewhere.

  • Steven Reece Lewis on 05/10/2017 - 15:53
    +4

    Imagine how you would feel if you were in the Lindt cafe seige or were close to it, and you log into your favourite bargain website to see this ad for a shotgun that can fire more shells than the one used in the seige.

    • [Deactivated] on 05/10/2017 - 16:04
      +2

      imagine if there was some way to hide the deal

      • Steven Reece Lewis on 05/10/2017 - 16:24
        +1

        Too late. Came here for some deals on ice cream and whoopsie daisy. Now I know you can hide stuff

    • ausmechkeyboards on 05/10/2017 - 16:26
      +7

      I worked right next to Lindt cafe. I also spent all Sunday shooting my rifle at the Sydney International Shooting Centre (the electronic targets are super fun).

      What's your point exactly?

      • Steven Reece Lewis on 05/10/2017 - 16:28

        As long as you're alright mate

        • stonkered on 06/10/2017 - 07:45
          +1

          Such a caring soul you are.

  • cashews on 05/10/2017 - 16:12
    -2

    It's sad that people are upvoting this just because it is a gun.

    • [Deactivated] on 05/10/2017 - 17:08
      +8

      Some people are upvoting because they have checked the price of this retailer's competitors and have concluded that the product is indeed a bargain.

    • nocure on 05/10/2017 - 17:28

      I upvoted because it's a bargain, as I do for all posts.

      • [Deactivated] on 05/10/2017 - 17:41

        So they do exist. I've heard rumours but now I've seen it all.

    • stonkered on 06/10/2017 - 08:13
      +2

      Seriously, what's sad about it?

      It is a bargain, it isn't an automatic weapon and this isn't America.

      People are obviously sick and tired of the hysteria from the small few that seem to think they are better and above their peers and ridicule anyone that disagrees.

    • plague69 on 07/10/2017 - 09:39
      +2

      I do agree. Sad if people upvote just because it's a gun and if it's not a good price.

      Also sad to see people downvoting only due to their beliefs…

  • Homr on 05/10/2017 - 16:23
    +3

    Thanks OP, bought 5

    • stonkered on 06/10/2017 - 08:44

      Nice! I keep mine under my kids cot, locked cabinets are a bit OTT.

  • Zinger on 05/10/2017 - 17:15
    -1

    why is there no picture on the deal? if the mods are happy for guns to be advertised on here, why feel the need to hide the picture?

    • stonkered on 06/10/2017 - 09:37
      +1

      Really grasping at straws now.

    • Moderatorneil on 06/10/2017 - 15:59

      Interesting conspiracy theory but thumbnails are generated automatically by Foxshot. On some sites, Foxshot runs into problems. Moderators aren't able to manually choose the thumbnail.

      For example, looking at recent deals, David Jones has some captcha that needs to be filled out, Playstation Store has some black overlay, Mozbit also has the white screen.

      Thanks.

      • [Deactivated] on 06/10/2017 - 22:06
        +1

        Wish I could Upvote that for bringing transparency to actions and educate the emotionally driven mass.

        • plague69 on 07/10/2017 - 09:36

          PMS is something everyone has to deal with at some stage of their life … No choice.

      • plague69 on 07/10/2017 - 09:38
        +2

        Thank you for pointing this out. How about all the emotional negs? I'm not trying to be a smart azz, and I'm seriously asking this: are they allowed? Can we emotional neg now?

  • johnd320 on 05/10/2017 - 18:53
    +1

    Bad taste posting. The OP could not have picked a worse time to promote their weapon of mass destruction.

    • [Deactivated] on 05/10/2017 - 21:45

      Hahahahahah. Please.

    • stonkered on 06/10/2017 - 08:16

      Yes Mr. Bush.

    • OzBragain on 06/10/2017 - 08:45
      +1

      …weapon of mass destruction.

      5 shot shotgun = WMD?!?!

      Nice to see more rational arguments on here

  • voteyes on 05/10/2017 - 19:41

    Can these be modified?

    • Brandenm on 05/10/2017 - 21:29

      What are you, a cop?

      • voteyes on 06/10/2017 - 08:37

        Yes.

    • xordis on 05/10/2017 - 22:51
      +1

      Yes, if you read the ad it comes with 3 chokes.

  • BargainMe on 05/10/2017 - 19:50
    -2

    OzBargain should have no place for this

    • plague69 on 07/10/2017 - 09:34

      What happened?

  • guidedlight on 05/10/2017 - 20:16
    -5

    Disgusting deal.

    • plague69 on 07/10/2017 - 09:33
      +2

      I see that you have an opinion on this. May I ask why you feel this is "disgusting"?

  • shaybisc on 05/10/2017 - 20:17

    What's the most objectionable product you can legally buy? This would have to be close. Got any deals on cigarettes?

    • strangeloops66 on 05/10/2017 - 20:19
      +2

      Any One Direction CD. Rumour has it there will be a buy back soon.

      • nocure on 05/10/2017 - 20:28

        Good for target practice.

    • stonkered on 06/10/2017 - 08:20

      Lol, who's lower, smokers or gun owners? Need an internet hero here and now to let us all know how we can pretend we are all open minded and free thinking. Over 18s need not apply.

    • plague69 on 07/10/2017 - 09:30

      I'd love to see a deal on cigarettes

  • nicksinternet on 05/10/2017 - 20:33
    -6

    I wonder if the media will get wind of OZB promoting this stuff.

    • plague69 on 07/10/2017 - 09:32

      This is a community forum is it not? How is OZB promoting anything?

  • scud70 on 05/10/2017 - 20:56
    -1

    Sorry in this instance I have to stand by my anti-gun beliefs.. Bargain or not. This should not be on the site in my opinion.

    • [Deactivated] on 05/10/2017 - 21:19
      +3

      So you feel that because you don't trust yourself with a potentially deadly weapon, that others willing to go through appropriate assessment and training should be discriminated against?
      Class act there mate and for the record, no I do not own a firearm, so that bias can't be pulled out to distort your argument.

      • scud70 on 06/10/2017 - 18:02

        Nope I trust myself and most others… however living my first 8 years of life in a country at war I’m against anything that can do damage that this can to another human or any living being. Just my view on life… won’t change no matter what. :)

        • [Deactivated] on 06/10/2017 - 18:10

          So you would fully support banning 4x4's as well?
          They pose a greater risk of harm to other road users in an accident and obscure vision.

          Maybe acceptance that those with guns have a legitimate use or are entitled to pursue their interest/hobby in a heavily regulated manner would of avoided this situation?

          Out of curiosity, where did you immigrate from?

        • scud70 on 06/10/2017 - 18:45
          +1

          @086: I’m against bulbars… my uncle passed in a hit and run and it was deemed that was the main reason possibly may have survived if there wasn’t one but yeh in what capacity…but it wasn’t a 4x4. Dunno Where do u draw the line? But weapons I’ll never support and definitely not guns.

          From Iran we migrated towards the end of the war against Iraq. I’m not scared by it or something like that, just something I personally believe, I’ve also been to US many many times and had the same debates that rage on here about weapons with Americans who believe in their right to own one, close to 100% believe they can be a super hero in such situations and they can take the bad guy out if they have a weapon which to me is so flawed it’s mind boggling … my view is different… life’s too short this stuff isn’t needed, fun or cool … not to me anyway.

        • scud70 on 06/10/2017 - 18:47
          +1

          @scud70: let me be clear I don’t think I need a bullbar in cities lolll don’t u ppl go nuts on me cuz of that as well hahaha

        • stonkered on 07/10/2017 - 10:20
          +1

          @scud70:

          The situation here is not comparable to the US so the debates you've had over there are not really the same at all.

          No one here is arguing that the gun laws should be loosened and we should all be allowed to own automatic weapons.

          Very few of the members who upvoted this post are going to purchase.

    • 2jzzzz on 09/10/2017 - 11:21
      +2

      And you name yourself after a missile. Rightio

  • [Deactivated] on 05/10/2017 - 21:13
    +2

    What if I told you that America does not even make the top 10 countries for firearms deaths per 100,000?
    Would it change your perspective of how media distorts things and make you actually question, rather than blindly swallow what they spoon feed you?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r…

    What if I showed you using those statistics, more people died from drowning in Australia in the same year (291) https://www.royallifesaving.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/00… compared to firearms deaths (215) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r… ?
    Should we ban water since it is deadlier than firearms?

    Perspective people.
    Stop blaming inanimate objects and start blaming the users of said objects!

    • xordis on 05/10/2017 - 22:54
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      Unsure why you are being down voted for simply pointing out two facts.
      I guess some people are are just oblivious to what is right.

      • [Deactivated] on 05/10/2017 - 22:58
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        False facts mate, false facts from Wikipedia and Royal Lifesaving Australia, because you know, neither are reputable sources for information ;)

        At least Iv'e the fortitude to speak out, rather than hide behind a downvote, unlike the brainwashed fools.
        It's actually sad that they're that far gone and don't even realise it.

    • wyrmy on 06/10/2017 - 04:31
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      Stating a fact doesn't necessarily make it useful or relevant to the argument. People drown for various reasons, very few or none in that statistic caused by malicious intent cos you know that would be "murder" which is the actual issue constantly being raised (mass or otherwise). Murder aside the whole reason your linked report exists is because people actually do something about it. Education, marketing, pool safety regulations etc etc. Whats America done/doing? Planning on cavity searching every hotel guest now and avoid the actual topic of guns?

      As for the counties list it doesnt come up because a) mass murder b) developing vs developed. But you want to benchmark America at the same level go for it and tell those self-proclaimed "greatest nation on earth" gun supporters to stop wasting time reporting regular mass murder occurances and get on with their lives.

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