Seagate 4TB Expansion Desktop Hard Drive $99 (Was $133) Delivered or C&C @ Officeworks

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The Seagate Expansion Desktop Hard Drive allows you to instantly add storage capacity to your PC. It has plug and play functionality which is automatically recognised by Windows operating systems and configured without any additional software installation necessary.

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    So can you strip out the drive for use in a desktop?
    Hate using these powered bulky drives. 1.36 kg wow :)

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    …4tb? nice!

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    Was $133. Is it on a run-out sale as there are not many sellers.

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    For those who cant get to a office works store their ebay listing for the same product comes with FREE express delivery

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Seagate-4TB-Expansion-Desktop-Ha...

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    $24.25 per TB.

    Buy buy buy!

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    Can't say I like Seagate drives, 3 out of 4 have failed on me :-(

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      Objection your honour! This is anecdotal evidence.

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        Ooh a Phoenix Wright case. What a turnabout!

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        I don't see what's wrong with anecdotal evidence per se. If it's true, it's as valid as any other kind of evidence.

        Or are you saying that if Red October had bought his four drives specifically to test the failure rate (rather than just to use them), that would have made the evidence somehow more valid? I'm afraid I can't see the difference.

        Oh, and don't yell at your disk drives.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDacjrSCeq4&feature=youtu.be...

        Although I think that's anecdotal evidence as well.

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          If he had bought them to test them then yes it would be more valid I believe, as he would have published the results regardless. With anecdotal evidence, people with a bad experience tend to provide more feedback than those without a problem (who will just use the product without leaving a review), and so the average review/feedback will have a negative bias.

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            @ItsBarney01: How about 7 or 8 bad experiences? Does that count?

            People will always leave more negative feedback. Even reviews will tend to get more attention and traffic if they are negative. It doesn't make the experiences or tests any less relevant.

            Drives are like brakes on your car. 99% reliability isn't good enough!

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              @syousef: I'm not actually saying that bad experiences aren't important to share, I'm just trying to justify why a proper test and review is more reliable than someone who didn't intend to review the item, but ended up having a bad experience. Statistically, there will always be some unlucky people who get a lot of bad samples, and this may or may not be representative of the whole. For example, the original commenter's statement that 3 out of 4 drives failed on them is clearly not representative of the entire seagate drive pool, however that doesn't mean that they aren't telling the truth. They likely just got quite unlucky.

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                @ItsBarney01: And how unlucky is Backblaze?

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                  @syousef: Yes, backblaze is reliable. If we look at this table: https://www.backblaze.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/li...

                  Which represents the all time drive failures, it is clear that the seagates are slightly more prone to failure, however it's obviously nowhere near the 25% failure rate. That's what I'm trying to say.

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                    @ItsBarney01: Backblaze use their drives in a very specific scenario and retire them early. They don't use the same nf each brand and model. They're very good about recognizing the limitations of their own data. So while it's better to rely on their numbers than any one person's experience it's not the end all be all. When many people are telling you the same thing - that they've seen multiple drives fail and when those reports cluster around particular drives and models it's worth paying attention. And of course if you're the one who's had the bad luck of having to deal with a string of failures from one manufacturer while having no issues with another, you're not likely to keep going back to that manufacturer. I went from a Seagate preferred, WD distant second guy to a guy who won't touch Seagate for exactly that reason. WD has been good for my purposes. Seagate has not.

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                    @ItsBarney01: Replied to wrong comment. Mod please delete.

      • +1 vote

        I have had a bunch fail on me over the years. When the 3 TB drives came out QC went down the drain. I've had nothing but bad luck with Seagate since. I think about 7 drives vs 1 WD ever. It's a real pity because Seagate use to be my drive of choice, but I cannot in good conscience buy them anymore.

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          Did you notice that 4TB and 12TB Seagate (and the 6TB WD, 14TB Toshiba also, though the count is small and it's not reported in the 2019 stats) have quite high failure rates.

          If you buy a drive with >2% per year failure rate in a very well setup environment, even if they're run longer than you'll run the drive, you're likely buying problems. One thing I don't see in Backblaze stats is the start/stop count for the drive. External drives tend to have spindown that you can't disable built into the drive. It's supposedly meant to prolong life and save power but I don't know if it does indeed prolong life or increase wear.

          I have had maybe 30-40 external drives over the last 10 or so years. I'm a heavy user because I love my photography and we have multiple consoles in the house. I have no desire to do formal stats on my drives and in truth even though I'm a heavy user in terms of home usage, the numbers still wouldn't be statistically significant and the use isn't anywhere near as controlled as Backblaze. But if I did, Seagate 3 and 4 TB drives would come off much worse than 2% annual failure rate.

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            @syousef: I consider circa 2% peanuts - that's one in fifty, and you can see that despite their failure rate they make the commercial decision to overwhelmingly deploy Seagate HDD's.

            The Phantom Analysis.

            EDIT: Hang on, you're the binocular/telescope guy. I take everything back.

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              @TheGhostWhoWalks: 2% per year. 1 in 10 will fail in 5 years. Unacceptable in itself but as I said my failure rate is higher. I have external 14 WD drives sitting on my desk and 2 Seagate. I started off with all Seagate. (8 or 9 back then). Perhaps some of that is bad luck but I just can't keep buying them.

              Backblaze use drives in RAID. They can tolerate a higher individual failure rate, so long as it's not too high (i.e. multiple drives fail simultaneously losing data despite the RAID). It then becomes a question of price per TB (or for them more like PB) when taking into account the failure. One of their earlier blogs explained this, and if I had time I'd dig it up. Their blog posts are always worthwhile.

              Thanks for the compliment re binocs and telescopes. I'm just a crazy enthusiast that owns too many of them. :)

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                @syousef:

                Backblaze use drives in RAID. They can tolerate a higher individual failure rate….

                Yes i had suspected that's why it likely worked for them, but it's good to hear it confirmed. And yes, this means their choices don't necessarily translate to the mug punter.

                These days i just assume every HDD i get will fail spontaneously, and act accordingly. Every time i hear of someone losing a novel on their laptop after their disk fails i cry, like out loud - no, not for the lost manuscript, but for their abject failure to back things up, even if it's to a floppy disk.

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                  @TheGhostWhoWalks: Yep. Multiple backups of anything important and multiple locations. Work or a trusted relative for the offsite copy and update as regularly as your schedule allows taking great care when the drives are all in one location.

                  Also a lesson almost I learnt the hard way - only have your backup copy online as long as necessary. All it takes is one crypto virus and your multiple copies are worthless. Always one copy offline. And have some way of verifying the data.

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                    @syousef: I'm as dumb as i can manage to be with backups. Haven't quite got the location spread yet - i really should fix that. But my needs are limited - maybe 120G critical data + 200G less critical data + OS backups + crap (movies etc). Key data is split off into that first category (separate partition) so i can easily back it up more often - financial crap etc. I'm in a world of pain if that ever vanishes.

                    Don't use offline - don't trust it. No data verification going on either - not sure how to make that happen TBH.

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                      @TheGhostWhoWalks: The reason you want offsite backup is that otherwise something like a theft or house fire could wipe you out.
                      Offline backups you can achieve with something as simple as a USB hub that has individual switches to activate/deactivate ports. Then only when you're doing the backup will you have the drive active and writable. If you only have the drive online when you're updating the backup, That'll minimize your exposure to viruses etc. Obviously never activate that backup if you suspect you've been exposed.

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      I don't like any HDD manufacturer, I've had drives die from every brand :(

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      I have 4 failed drives in last 10 years, 3 of them are Seagate. All the drives I used them for about 3 years. After that just use them as download disk. These 3 Seagate all failed in the first 3 years. You can say I am not lucky. However, I will not buy Seagate anymore.

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      Yeah agree, had 4 Seagate drives fail in the last 4 years. Compared to one WD portable (which was raped and molested with downloads and copying, over 20tb worth in a short time). Makes me worry about the Ironwolf I've got!

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    Thank you for posting this OP:)

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    Would this work and be suitable as network storage when plugged into a Netgear (R7000) router?

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    Remember this requires ac power and so a huge pain in the ass

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    Kicking myself for buying the 3TB version three days ago!!!

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    link for checking actual stock

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    Must this require AC power or can you just plug in via USB and it'll work?

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      It needs both to function, ac for power and usb for data transfer.

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      Must this require AC power

      No.

      just plug in via USB and it'll work?

      No. You need 12V DC supply.
      You could use your car or a UPS instead of the included AC adapter.
      Or even draw 12V from you desktop.

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    I think I might get one for my PS4

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      this is a 3.5 inch drive? unless you mean to connect it via usb to ps4?

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      I've previously run one of these into death on my Xbox One X. More or less the thing would spin up every 40 seconds or so for 15 seconds then stop. Repeating endlessly. No mix of settings would get it to stop and eventually it just stopped reading altogether (to be fair could have been anything that ended up killing it) I never tried it on my PS4, just thought I'd share in the hope it doesn't do the same.

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      I have the 8tb model and used to use it on my ps4. it’s a very loud drive, especially when installing updates. It was so annoying after a while that i bought a portable western digital drive and now use that instead. So I wouldn’t recommend it.

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    All these cheap drives!

    I brought 2x 2.5" drives on Tuesday for $79 each… would have muched rather a few 4TB's. Physical size didn't matter.

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    Does anyone know what drive is in this? 5400 RPM I assume? Would like to shuck it.

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    Thanks … ordered with free same day delivery!

    Each post about HDD's is weird to me, everyone talking failures … I must live in some fantasy world because I've not had a HDD fail on me in the last 20 years over a few computers and I now have 4 SSD's and ~10 platter drives in the 1.5 to 4TB range (most used with docks). Mind you last few years all apps/games are installed on SSD. Platter is just for storage, torrents etc.

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      You are lucky. Had multiple HDD failures (1 WD, 2 Seagate) and SSD failures (1 Samsung, 2 el cheapo brand but with Samsung NAND, 1 Sandisk). 1 Seagate failure was a board failure, managed to repair with a replacement board and BIOS implant. All SSD failures had no prior warning sign, just died, completely unrecoverable.

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      I hate you.

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        It's not all bad. You know to backup important files regularly right?

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          I have no less than 7x external 2TB HDD's for backups (mix of 2.5" & 3.5") - maintaining a spreadsheet showing (a) the disk, each of which has been given a name and labelled, (b) what has been backed up, and (c) notes specific to each backup (such as the apparent state of the OS or recent installs). I essentially stripe backups over these disks.

          Trauma can lead to this kind of thing…

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            @TheGhostWhoWalks: A friend of mine is asking me for a simple and easy solution to backup his portable hard drive connected to his router. He prefers an automated solution and delta backup (instead of full backup) most of the time if possible. What kind of solution would you recommend? Something cost effective and simple would be great.

            He had to get a hard drive recovered by a pro recently… Costed him nearly $2000.

            Also, 7 drives? To spread the risk?

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              @netsurfer: I play it safe and conduct full independent backups these days. None of this incremental crap, nothing automated, simply as that introduces another level of risk. KISS - keep it simple stupid.

              BTW i don't fully deploy all 7x disks - but there's certainly 4-5x that are fully utilised.

              EDIT: So i have several PC's/laptops/tablets - each has a semi-regular OS backup using EaseUS ToDo backup. I have core files that are also backed up. So if it's time for a backup, i check the spreadsheet to work out which disk has the oldest backup, and then backup to that. I'll systematically kill off older backups as i go to make space, and note this on the spreadsheet. As i said i label them: Harriet, Penelope etc (and the date i bought it) as that makes it easier to recall which if any disks have given you trouble. All disks are encrypted - if one fails, i claim warranty without worrying about them accessing my files. Hard core.

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            @TheGhostWhoWalks: I name my drives too. I have a notepad type program where I write down notes about the general contents of each drive (eg Audiobooks + Skyrim mods) and an older disk cataloguing program called WhereIsIt that I can use for all the files on entire drives or certain directories. Music is also catalogued in MediaMoney.

            I use Locate32 (freeware) to catalogue the drives inside my case that are in flux; it is lighweight and very fast: https://locate32.cogit.net/

            Storage with backup is half the solution; the other half is being able to easily find and retrieve what you are after.

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          I have been backing up data on hard disks lately. It is surprisingly time consuming; for a full 4 TB mirror you really need to start it before going to bed; it might still be going when you wake up. 4TB really is a lot of data, and we have triple capacity drives now.

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        Order to front door delivery took maybe 2.5 hours as well :)

        Of course I've now doomed myself to multiple HDD failures in the coming months.

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    Stocks flying out at Chatswood according to the manager. While I was buying mine, 4 other customers all off ozbargain were there. She told me they have low stocks remaining there now.

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    The OW link indicates it's Seagate Part No. STEB4000300, which is also listed on their eBay listing, which states it's a 5400 RPM disk. The Seagate spec sheet is silent on the matter, but does say it has a 3-year warranty.

    Not clear if it's one of those fat ones that won't fit with an SSD in a Dell SFF, as the dimensions shown seem to relate to the package.

    Might as well go for a 2.5" HDD if so…

    This, that is this 2.5" HDD is the STDR4000302, and their data sheet doesn't specify RPM, though it's probably a 5400 RPM as well and has a 3-year warranty.

    Might as well pay a little more for the 2.5" as packs small, on the assumption it's shuckable…

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    That free same day delivery is great, thanks OP!

    Just received shucked mine, it's a Seagate Barracuda ST400DM004 which sell for $159 at PCGG, so good deal.

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