Saw the other deal at JB for $1049 so tried looking around.
It has been out of stock for quite some time so this price is quite good if you have access.
I know Breville bought Lelit so maybe there is something new coming in the future? But for now you can't go wrong at this price point.
Edit: Expired due to price increase.
Edit 2: Back to $897
Edit 3: Back to $1199. Check yourself on the page as it seems to be switching back and forth between prices.
Sadly they are not much of a bargain….
https://alternativebrewing.com.au/products/slayer-single-gro…
I did not know that this was a thing, that's pretty cool
Great price.
Much better
Slayer!!!!!
Silly question, but how do you create a commercial account?
I just logged in to ask the same question!
You need an ABN
Bugga, don't suppose you have one I could use?
Set yourself up as a sole trader. Very easy to do.
I can't figure out the sign up link though, any ideas?
It has nothing to do with having a ABN
My apologies everyone. Long day. Stand corrected.
Yes, some superannuation providers offer it. I got access by signing up for G'day Rewards holiday parks annual membership.
Has anyone else noticed the tax receipt/invoice has the company name through whom the purchase is made? I wonder if this would pose a problem in a warranty claim.
I got access through my superannuation benefits which is REST.
Heaps of large employers offer it as well as part of corporate rewards
Create a sun super account, don’t actually need to transfer your super
G'day rewards sign up gives you access.
Thanks. But its $50 membership fee on top. Is it worth it?
If you save more than $50 on the next best price, then yes?
It is if you use the parks, pretty much earn it back off one trip.. plus the savings you then earn on what you buy from the commercial site.
Out of all the options it was just the easiest and quickest method for me, but there might be better for you
@leviathial: No, I signed up G’day rewards and claimed TGG Commercials access. Now have to wait for email confirm from TGG. Could be a day or 2?
Interesting to hear about lelit. My previous machine was a breville dual boiler and then I replaced it with a lelit which I’ve really liked.
Yeah no comparison, the Lelit will still be going long after the Breville has gone to the gods
3 x the price?
What version of Lelit did you get? And do you find it easy to use ?
Lelit Diana PL60 - now superseded. I better take care of it, looks like it would be quite expensive to replace.
That was 7 yrs ago.it is easy to use, and while it isn’t as industrial/sturdy as a heat exchanger it certainly has no issues keeping up with my consumption.
The breville wasnt that durable. But maybe that has changed, I got the original model. Plastic faux stainless steel on some surfaces.
Interesting, I notice that your machine is a dual boiler too :) I think the Lelit Elizabeth PL92T V3 might be the replacement…
Whats the diff between a nespresso one click vs. the dual boiler? I'm a noob!
I buy/use ristretto pods but feel like I'm missing out seeing these machines…I usually make an Espresso, no milk etc. About 55-80 cents a cup!
The dual boiler looks reasonable I guess?
This is a manual espresso machine. There's a learning curve involved, and you'll need to buy a decent grinder to go with it. I'd treat this as a new hobby. That said, you can't buy a better machine for the price.
Whats a decent grinder?
Smart Grinder Pro?
Depends on your budget. Smart Grinder is serviceable but not fantastic. Some grinders that are commonly recommended are the Eureka Specialita and Niche Zero. Former has had good deals in the past (check OZB history).
Done the job for us got over 5 years
No. This will ruffle the feathers but SGP is pretty crap. Heaps of clumping, inconsistent grind and high retention. I wouldn't recommend it for espresso. Spend a bit more if you are wanting decent espresso
Nobody who is serious about coffee would ever touch preground coffee.
@dji1111111: No need to gatekeep. Getting your coffee pre-ground is totally fine, especially when you're starting out (as Kammi seems to be). It lets you see if you want to keep going with the the while spending as little as you can. Better to decide you're not into it and take a loss on selling the machine than to also take a loss on an expensive grinder.
The cafe/roaster you buy from will likely have something of commercial quality like an EK so grind quality will be good. Just gotta stay away from supermarket coffee because they're likely to have been on a shelf for ages and you can't customise the grind size.
@Diji: It's not fine. Do you know how quickly preground coffee loses its freshness? Even pulling a shot immediately after grinding vs leaving it for a few minutes makes a big difference in the shot (ie. Much faster flow rate)
Even a cheap grinder like SGP will still be better than using preground coffee.
Getting your coffee pre-ground is totally fine…
Only if you are going to use it all in minutes.
If you are buying $1000 machine don't waste your time and money on pre-ground coffee or old supermarket beans.
Bought.
Remember when these were under 600
People are buying Barista Express at $750 in stores these days
And petrol under $1. But we gotta move on with time.
Remember when house prices were affordable
Do you also remember when petrol was 90c/liter? or when AUD was stronger than usd.
Yeah, I also remember when a brand new Holden Commodore was $15,000, what's your point?
Haha but that 15K Holden Commodore can't do Sydney to Melbourne in one tank right…
Love that last two gen of Commodore. Such a shame….
You can call store and price match most likely
Nh
I've had mine for 3 years and it has been great. Have just started having issues with it though and had to send it off for repair which is costing me close to $400. Still cheaper than buying a new one though.
What sort of issues, and what is the repair needed?
That's when our's started playing up. Next 2 years had 3 repairs and needs another now. Never paid anymore than $80- $150 though. $400 think your are getting ripped.
I’ve had mine for 6 years (or more, lost track)… just has an intermittent drip when not using the steam wand (while warming machine up) but that’s about it. It’s been rock solid.
I have the same problem :) It's kinda annoying but doesn't seem to affect the machine. Funnily enough I contacted Breville & they said there's no easy / quick fix — they just steered me to a local repairer which I haven't bothered with.
You can’t go wrong at this price. I bought mine used for $500 after DeLonghi Dedica and a couple of Sunbeams and it’s really a different class altogether. Paired with the Breville Smart Grinder Pro. I’ll buy a better grinder one day.
Get a jxpro manual grinder if not making more than 2 coffees a day
The jxpro pro can make espresso grind? Looks like I made the wrong choice with the timemore c2 then
I didn't think anything manual that wasn't 400 bucks could do espresso
Yeah the JX pro has a rep for decent espresso grind (especially considering the price competition). I think Timemore might have something similar but I can't remember the model off the top of my head. The C2 is a totally different price point though, more comparable to the 1Zpresso Q2. I have the non pro JX and that ran me about $150 on sale, when I was looking at the Pro it was like another hundred on top of that.
How does this compare in terms of making good expresso compared to the Bambino plus with the same grinder(SGP)?
Not in the same league. Bambino plus is a good beginners machine, but has many limitations.
This is the real deal, but massive compared to the bambino.
It is for different market….
BES920 takes at least 6-7 minutes to warm up because it use a boiler. then you have to do all the flush routine before you can start making coffee. You can also fine tune your pressure and temperature if you are into those stuff and don't stop there with the "mods"…OMG I may as well go out to buy a coffee at the cafe.
BB+ has a very effective thermal system that its ready in 3 seconds. Do two rounds of pre heat flush of the head and portafilter and you are good to go. Not much on the pressure or temp control but it does the job. From start to finish cleaning all done under 5 minutes.
Also you would have notice many comments about it starts developing problems after two to threes years. Many here claim it easy to fix it yourself but that is if you know what your are doing. Its deja vu of Android fanboy telling people it easy just to root your phone and load custom rom😢😢😢. I personally wonder why such an expensive machine breaks so easy. It does come with two years replacement warranty but you will sure screaming if it breaks on the 105th week. BB+ also come with two years replacement warranty. If you can score it around $400 its a good deal and if it breaks after two years, its not so painful.
then you have to do all the flush routine before you can start making coffee
What's the flush routine?
I am not a BDB user (and will never be). My friend who own one are quite anal about this though and very much talk about amount "serious" coffee drinker. Something like this…
https://www.home-barista.com/espresso-machines/breville-dual…
@OzBragain: It’s not just the 4 second. It’s the whole warm up cycle, also take longer than 4 second if it was your first brew of the day. During the day you can keep it on stand by and shorten the warm up time. For me it’s just too much time and electricity wasted for the sake of a better shot.
I know what BDB can do, it’s just not for me. Like I wrote below, I am happy with the coffee from BB+, take me less than 5 min to do everything and get back to work (from home)
@syswong: Each to their own I guess. We've had the dual boiler for years and have never found the warm up time to be an issue…we give it 10-15min and there's always plenty to do while that's happening.
@OzBragain: Just to add, it has an auto-on function for a preset time in the morning. I use this so its ready when I get to the kitchen.
There's some really nice bargains for non working dual boilers, under $200 often. If you know what you're doing, then it would be a really inexpensive way to get a dual boiler.
There is a very detailed guide online on how to fix them, but it really depends on what the problem is. A lot of the older ones failed when someone goes through the descaling cycle.
6-7 minutes? Lol, no such thing
thermoblock with smart internals makes it very possible
@esterlad: The beauty of the dual boiler design is it has a more consistent temperature which many believe it is require to pull a better shot. this is the advantage of using a boiler. The down side is its heat up time plus the energy consumption.
Bambino plus call its heating system thermal jet which is just a polish name for a thermal coil system and granted it will never achieve the consistent temperature of a boiler but Bambino plus' thermal coil is able to heat up in three seconds which saves a lot of time and energy. For someone who is not so anal about temperature and pressure that is a godsend. As I mention, I can finish make a cappuccino and finish cleaning under 5 minutes, not possible with the dual boiler.
In the age of work from home and you cannot predict when you will step into the kitchen to make a coffee, the fast operation of Bambino plus is priceless plus the money you save on the power bill. I am one willing to trade that with a less than prefect coffee.
@warehouse You are talking having the timer setup so when You are using it then the machine is up to temperature already.
If you count from the time of you switching on the machine to the point that the two boiler is up to operation temperature, it does take that long. i have personally seen this in operation so I know.
@syswong: I don't know what to say other than I have one and it doesn't take me that long. I don't have a timer, but that is a good idea.
I usually turn on the machine then head over to the grinder, then pad the portafilter and put it into the dual boiler. Usually the machine will be ready by then, if not a few extra seconds.
It probably takes me 6-7 minutes to finish making the whole coffee including frothing milk (which I do at the same time as the pour, usually the 30s timer of the pour is perfect), flushing the portafilter after finished and wiping up the machine.
The dual boiler is the Breville hero product which meets the design brief of creating cafe coffee at home. (They also make a semi-automated version called the Oracle, but there seemed to be the most buzz over the BDB, IMO)
Dual boilers (cascaded to preheat brew), 3 way valve, heated group, PID control, adjustable brew/steam/pre-infusion are all used to meet the brief with appliance manufacturing expertise.
I see the BDB as fundamentally different to the the Italian home machines which solve the same brief by using commercial components in the smallest footprint. They both require periodic maintenance for longevity. I would guess the BDB would not have a long life producing 100 coffees every day in an office kitchen, but with some Italian machines this may be possible.
The bambino is a product designed to take up less space, make great coffee then texture milk with a thermcoil style heat exchanger, and be a lower cost. It is unable to extract espresso and texture milk at the same time, and so is a compromise design.
The SGP is usually paired up by Breville with the BDB, it is a reasonable entry-level conical burr grinder approach used in their combo machines and probably lower end grinders as well. It is easy to clean, and allows for timer based dosing. Downsides are low motor power, grind retention and significant "clumping" in the grind output which can result in channelling in the puck. clumps can be mitigated with a WDT tool.
Another grinder which could be considered is the DF64 which is lower priced than the Niche zero, I got my one directly from Aliexpress with the DLC burrs, at the time was USD $450.
Thanks all for your replies.
I am awaiting delivery for a BB+ and am very much looking forward to it.
Based on your replies, I think I made the right choice with going for the BB+ in terms of convenience, barring the lesser quality expresso which is a compromise I am willing to make. I used to work as a barista so am comfortable with a more manual machine, but would like the convenience of making a nice and quick latte in the morning before work. I am upgrading from a Nescafe Dolce Gusto which I think will be a significant improvement either way so I am happy with my choice. Thanks all!
The bambino is a product designed to take up less space, make great coffee then texture milk with a thermcoil style heat exchanger, and be a lower cost. It is unable to extract espresso and texture milk at the same time, and so is a compromise design.
I thought I remember seeing a review where the bambino plus beats the dual boiler in speed in pulling a shot and steaming milk, could be wrong though.
You have a link for the DF64? :) Nice input and thanks for sharing.
I have the BB+, paired with Smeg Burr grinder (Smeg CGF01PBAU). I CANNOT recommend the grinder, its 'fine' setting is about 1/4 as fine as baratza or even brevilles 'fine' (upon reserch). So the grinder isn't fine enough for proper Espresso. If I use the dual wall portafilter with the BB+ it's "fine", but single wall is a failure (partly due to the BB+ seaping way too much water during Brew)
Sure, I purchased the grinder from alibaba, from this seller (at the time there was a promotion with a $50 credit applied on the order):
https://ningbofrigga.en.alibaba.com/
The order process was fairly manual, over the messaging/chat. They supplied the grinder with the DLC burrs and cable fitted with AU plug.
Only problem with buying through GG Commercial is that you can't get extended warranty.
Pay using platinum credit card or equivalent which gives extra warranty. Otherwise ACL :)
Will ask in store when pick up today, not sure it's worth it as have got 5 years out of last one and the repairs I did do were about $300 locally, without GG sending to Breville in Sydney.
Yeah mine is over 6 years old and has been solid
I wish this was 3weeks ago! My 5 year old dual boiler needed to be repaired and it was going to cost over $500. Purchased a Breville Pro with 5 year extended warranty at TGG. Price matched Appliances Online at the time for under $900. Good coffees so far.. now have an expensive smart grinder lying dormant in the kitchen…
Sounds like you would have been much better off getting the dual boiler repaired…
I guess now you can sell the SGP and Dual Boiler for parts maybe.
What did they say was wrong with your old Dual Boiler?
The board went plus all seals. I bought it for $699 and they said once they fix them once, they are usually back in the repair store after regularly from then on. I did get good value out of it though!
Agree with that, our's was good for 3 years then last 2.5 years 3 repairs no more then $80-150 though. Playing up again now over heating, still works but not paying anymore on it. we have the pro grinder too.
New one today.
From the other thread the newer ones now have updated steam boiler fittings. https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/695858
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0520/4597/1652/products/Br…
Ok cheers. I've had alot of experience repairing these machines, that's a common issue. The O rings fail on the top side of the boilers, this in turn releases steam into the machine which shorts the triac PCB.
Make sure you resell your old machine, as for a DIY repairer the parts will cost under $80.
@ash2000: Where do you get your parts? And what is your source for info on trouble shooting. My first machine has an issue where when you press the shot button, it acts like it wants to pour a shot but nothing happens. It is as if a sensor doesn't think there is water in the boiler or something.
I'd love to get this older one back on it's feet. I hate the throw away economy.
My first machine has an issue where when you press the shot button……nothing happens.
Does it make a gurgling noise ?
I usually get all my parts from various eBay sellers. I've replaced the main pump, triac PCB, main motherboard , O rings and solenoid over the years!
As for info in diagnosing the issue, I use this forum :
https://www.home-barista.com/espresso-machines/breville-dual…
By far the best resource for the dual boiler on the web. I've solved all my problems with consultation from that forum and YouTube instruction videos!
As noted above the parts for the Breville machines are quite inexpensive (excluding the actual boilers), the main cost of any Breville repair is the labour. If you can take the labour out of the equation it's actually a very cheap machine to maintain.
I have a dual boiler, 10 years strong now coffee every single day.
This thing is a beast.
Slayer!!!!!