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[Pre Order, NSW] Tesla Model Y RWD $74,311, Performance $105,590 (Drive Away) @ Tesla

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Long awaited Model Y orders have opened

RWD has estimated arrival dates of Aug-Nov 2022
Performance ETA of Nov-Feb 2023

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  • +59

    Can't afford gas. Solution? Buy electric car!

    • +124

      Can't afford electricity. Solution? Bicycle!

    • +7

      Don't think that argument applies unless this one comes with free charging

      Won't be long for electricity price to sky rocket.

      Ones with solar panel can finally have a laugh.

      • +2

        Until the gov or energy retailers charge a 'service' fee to allow homeowners to have solar on their roofs

        https://reneweconomy.com.au/sa-power-networks-fights-to-char...

        (Couldn't find the article I was thinking of, but this will do)

      • +4

        Reality is electricity will go up but petrol will of up even more

        • +2

          Unless you pay in Rubles

          • +3

            @taki: Rubles is stronger than before the war began.

      • -1

        Even if electricity doubles in price, electric cars will still have a long way to go until they are as expensive to run as a petrol car.

        • +1

          With state governments bringing in charging per km for electric vehicles? No, not far at all.

          • +2

            @Ugly: They won't stop at electric vehicles, they can make $ applying it to petrol vehicles too so why wouldn't they?
            Yeah double dipping on fuel excise (federal) and their new odometer taxes, but as if they will care.

            So when the km charge applies to all vehicles it is neutralized when comparing costs.

          • +1

            @Ugly: It's sort of reasonable. They can normally charge a tax on petrol but can't for electricity.

            The question is if they will use it effectively. Considering there's state roads with potholes for the past few months, I'm guessing no.

          • +3

            @Ugly: Like what @joelmuzz said. its unlikely that EV's are going to be the only vehicle with Road User Charges when 2027 comes around (or maybe shortly after).
            Victoria has already announced that they're looking into a broad based RUC scheme for all vehicles, that would likely categorise vehicle by Fuel/Weight.
            We already know that:
            EV: 2c/km
            PHEV : 2.5c/km
            A potential plan would be:
            For ICE vehicles, fuel tax (a failing tax that has had falling revenue with higher fuel efficiency of the overall vehicle fleet) would need to go 0c (44c/l currently 22c/l), and then be replaced with a RUC. I'd expect something like:
            Petrol: 5c-12c/km
            Diesel: 7-15c/km
            (the range in values being based on weight/fuel economy). Seems high but when considering the savings for 44c/l would be a net cost of about 5-7c/km for an average small car and you're probably paying around 3c now).
            Perhaps hybrids would get a minor concession on these prices if weight-based, and PHEV's be taxed 2.5c on EV distance travelled and the regular rate for ICE distance travelled.

            This model is similar to what NZ already has, but in NZ the RUC only applies to Diesels. Diesel in NZ is tax free (might have GST idk, but no fuel tax), so that the agriculture sector can work more efficiently (without the burden of submitting tax claims) and cars can access this fuel price too but pay dearly for RUC permits that need to be pre-purchased for each 1000km on their car. (Petrol in NZ (in AUD) is $2.87 while Diesel is $2.42)

        • If you live I ACT electricity price is actually going down because we are 100% renewable

          • @Graysimo: Yes. All those solar panels, infrastructure and windmill blades that have to be buried after 10 years because they can't be recycled are all free of charge!
            They cost nothing and generate lots and lots of energy, right?
            Come on, guys, you have to up your game.

      • +7

        i can grow my own electricity

        growing petrol seems a little more difficult

        • +1

          You can grow money and buy petrol ez

          • +1

            @s1Lence: Yes, but as the price goes up you will need to grow more money, while you will always need to grow the same amount of electricity (if not less) to drive for X kms.

        • +5

          i can grow my own electricity

          Wait til the supply charges go up to cover losses. The house always wins…

      • Ones with solar panel can finally have a laugh.

        But only during sunny daylight days :-(

        • A hamster wheel will run when the wind doesn't now and sun doesn't shine

    • our old PM would of recommended to by shares of Oil company

      • +2

        HE did buy shares in oil companies by using OUR taxes to subsidise the oil companies (and other fossil fuel industries. $11.5 BILLION last year: $18 BILLION the year before, I think.)

      • Nah.. he prefers coal … :)

        https://youtu.be/qkyuI3oiGNE

    • +9

      Im pretty sure who can't afford gas can't afford this car neither. Some stupid stars and stripes the other day said this same thing, get an electric car 🤦.

      • Guess you didn't get the sarcasm…

        • +3

          Was it though? I presumed it was sarcasm, but I've seen plenty of politicians and others make this comment seriously. Really needs a sarc tag to be sure.

    • +3

      Can’t afford electric car.

    • +1

      What an arrogant way to talk to people! As if its a cheap car. Class act

      • +3

        The weird thing is a lot of people think that it’s better to spend 70k on a new car and pay $30 per recharge (supercharge station) compared to their existing 30k car and $70 for a tank of gas. Fun logic but yolo

        🤷‍♀️

        • +14

          I get your point, but nobody uses Superchargers as their regular charging method - they are for long road trips only. I've done over 20,000km in my EV and have never used a paid charging station.

          A full charge at home using the off peak tariff (10pm-6am) which gets me around 500km of driving costs $8.80 (11c/kWh X 80kWh).

          That's $1.76/100km.

          • -1

            @Dogsrule:

            $8.80 (11c/kWh X 80kWh).

            PLUS your Daily Connection/Supply fee of … $1.18338 + $0.03047 = $1.21something

            Suddenly $8.80 is more than $10.00

            • +3

              @LFO: Lol I had electricity at my house before I had an EV, the daily connection fee is unavoidable if you want electricity at your house, buying an EV makes no difference to that.

              Not sure where you're getting the other 3c charge from, I don't have any demand charges, usage and daily connection charge only.

              My $8.80 calc stands…

              • @Dogsrule:

                My $8.80 calc stands…

                No problem with that.

                In my bill I get charged a Daily Connection fee (~$1.18) for the standard rates AND an extra $0.03 for the Controlled ("off-peak") one. Two meters. One bill.

                the daily connection fee is unavoidable if you want electricity at your house

                Probably … but, as Daily Connection fees are going up faster than price per Kw it is becoming and interesting proposition to get many more solar panels and a big fat "battery bank" and then disconnect from the supplier for good.

                Just a digression, not a real proposition … not just yet but getting there … :-)

                • @LFO:

                  AND an extra $0.03 for the Controlled ("off-peak") one. Two meters. One bill.

                  Confusingly, Controlled Load is similar, but not the same as an Off Peak tariff. The controlled load part of your meter is switched on by a signal sent over the powerlines at a certain time of night (usually between 10pm-6am) and only one circuit is connected to this part of the meter (usually a hot water system, but increasingly dedicated EV chargers) then is switched off at all other times.

                  An off peak tariff requires a 'Time of Use' meter, and your meter records how much electricity is used by all circuits connected to your meter during the off peak period (also usually between 10pm-6am) and a lower rate is charged accordingly.

                  There is no extra charge for using a TOU meter with distinct peak, shoulder and off peak tariffs. Note it's possible to have a TOU meter with these distinct tariffs and a separate controlled load circuit.

                  Agree with your other points, I think richer people will start going off-grid soon.

              • +1

                @Dogsrule: You are doing well - our marginal cost is about 14c/kWh (combo of solar and a regular tariff). We get about $1.65 per 100km.

                Not so sure about rich people going off grid - we are doing some checks on our place as we have some risk of extended power loss from bushfire.

                Going to where we can get partial grid independence will set us back about $20-25k - get about 80% of our supply from solar and battery backup, could go for an extended period isolated from the grid by turning a lot of stuff off (not fun in winter!). Can more than double that cost to go full off grid - that last 20% is a bastard.

                Electricity is going to have to get an awful lot more expensive for batteries to start making sense for most people - even the partial install makes no sense for us from an economic perspective, and I doubt that will change for many years.

                Rich people stay rich by making their money work for them. Grid independence is mostly not doing that.

                • @EthicsGradient:

                  Electricity is going to have to get an awful lot more expensive for batteries to start making sense for most people

                  The financials don't stack up yet for sure, but if grid stability starts to falter, people of means will value continuity of supply moreso than making their money work for them.

                  Our coal fired generation fleet is old and increasingly unreliable - we had 6 units out across the NSW network a couple of weeks ago. We may see gridscale shortfalls in the near future.

                  • @Dogsrule:

                    We may see gridscale shortfalls in the near future.

                    I'd say more likely than not. These may not be long lived …

                    people of means will value continuity of supply moreso than making their money work for them.

                    Possibly, but I suspect they'll take another path.

                    This is one of those times where the interests of the wealthy align with everyone else. No one wants unreliable power. There's a fair bit of peaking capacity that is currently "too expensive to operate". However, I'm betting that many pollies are quietly explaining to the owners of that generation capacity that they'd better find a way or they may not have a business at all. And suddenly we are going to have reliable power supply again. Almost certainly with a chunk of it bankrolled by the tax payer.

                    And just as suddenly the requirement for batteries is gone again. The perspective of the very wealthy is why pay for it when the Australian taxpayer could do it for them.

                    Our coal fired generation fleet is old and increasingly unreliable

                    Pretty well a function of our power market operating as designed (not saying it is a good design - just that this outcome was predicted years ago). Hopefully one of the outcomes of the shake up coming is a better designed systems that rewards generators for reliable supply rather than just showering them with cash for providing peaking capacity.

            • @LFO: Do you think that people get an electricity connection to a previously off-grid property just to charge an EV?

              You have to divide that daily connection fee between every single appliance using power on that day.

        • +4

          Another clueless wonder. Ppl buying Teslas are ones shopping bmw audi mercs, Tesla is the best value premium car on the market, add petrol saving almost free with solar panel on your roof and almost no maintenance cost it a no brainer.

          • +1

            @neostarsx: Don't agree. The Hyundai IONIQ 5 is a much better Electric SUV

            Watch all the YouTube reviews world wide and they all consistently say the Tesla Model Y suspensions is woeful and undriveable

            • +1

              @Andy99: I would absolutely go the ev6 option but while Hyundai/KIA may have built a great car, the ordering process and limited stock for the i5/ev6 in Australia is by far the biggest turnoff

            • @Andy99: Not sure I would agree with that. Depends what you class as being "much better".
              Design-wise, Ioniq 5 wins for sure, at least externally, but Tesla can't be beaten in terms of battery management and efficiency.
              I will reserve my judgement on the suspension until I actually drive it myself. I've seen reviews that say it's too firm and also ones that say it's firm but not uncomfortable.

          • +1

            @neostarsx: Premium? That’s massive stretch!! Premium brand but not premium quality! I’ve never seen such a poor quality build car for that price tag

        • +3

          3 years into Tesla Model 3 ownership and I have used a supercharger about 5 times (total cost about 18 bucks so far) when I have done long trips. The rest of the charges are mostly using solar PV.

          • @dtpearson: what charging setup do you have at home, does it auto charge excess solar? generic or tesla charger?

      • +8

        Reeeee electric car too expensive.

        /buys a new Ranger with lift kit

        Reeeee petrol is too expensive

        /blames "leftists"

      • +1

        It is cheap if you compare apples with apples. You won't find a petrol car for the same bang for buck performance let alone tech gadgetry. And don't discount gadgetry as dinosaur automakers seem to be marketing their new models simply because it has a new gimmick eg 360 camera or Google drive etc.

        • -1

          Do you get poor build quality as an extra as well?

      • It was sarcasm dude…

    • -1

      Huge save & more money on what matters in life ==> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ytqr8T05OU

    • Would check the insurance cost though, normally it's triple at least of normal cars…

      • +1

        Not true, I have two electric cars and both cheaper. Both under $800-900 a year for premium comprehensive

        • Who are you with? Mine is 3K . Postcode 2155

        • Hey mate who are you with I'm paying 1600

        • interested

    • -4

      If you need to charge said electric car, go to the charge station which uses a diesel generator to charge your car 👏 real smart this new tech… 😂 🤦‍♂️

    • Can't afford, inflation and price jacked. Whichever caused Tesla to increase the Model Y SR by $4k

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