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Australia’s new cheapest EV.
I’ve seen deals on new Teslas in the past. This little Chinese car is much cheaper!
Drive away price $39,991.57 in NSW
Est. Delivery Sep. / Oct. 2023
[Pre Order] BYD Dolphin EV $38,890 + On-Road Costs (Refundable Deposit $1,000) @ BYD
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really? it does 0 to 100km in 3 seconds? and it gets more than 600km ranage? on there evs? I will have a look now because now I intersted by your claims of it being faster and has a longer range than a model 3.
i think they are comparing MG4 to the BYD dolphin.
the BYD seal 4WD will have a 0-100 of 3.8sec and WLTP range of 700km which is coming later in year
how does that beat a tesla? have you even been inside of a tesla it has physcial buttons, the best thing about owning a tesla is that its not a custer F$%k of controls its simple and clean, with SOFTWARE THAT WORKS!! and gets OTA updates.
the only other car manufacturer that has great software is Neo another chinese ev manufacturer
Of course I have. It's a slick looking, impractical piece of sh*t
Less buttons is better. Just ask Nokia or Blackberry how the button thing worked out for them :-)
What's impractical, out of curiosity?
What buttons do you constantly press every time you get into the car that you would find impractical in a Tesla?Your seat slides out to get out, and slides in for to start driving, automatically.
The heated seats and steering wheel come on automatically when it's cold out.
The wipers are automatic when it rains.
Your cameras are all shown on screen automatically when reversing or indicating.
The infotainment, yes, is all done on the screen, but that's the case for pretty much every modern car nowadays.The only thing that you might have a gripe with is the HVAC, which is managed on screen rather than traditional buttons.
But once you set it to your preferred temperature, it's pretty much set and forget and you rarely (or never) have to touch it afterwards - maybe you might adjust it once every change in season.
BYD going for a cash grab with the Dolphin, 25k rrp (china) to 40k rrp. Rather buy a non ev with 40k than a dolphin or mg for that matter.
But then pay an extra $5-7k per year running it?
Over the course of you owning it, it'll cost you a minimum of $25k extra on fuel and maintenance. Interesting take on math there.
Dont forget battery degrade over time. It is hidden cost a lot of people fail to see.
Battery is warranted for 70%+ capacity over 8 years…. that's a higher warranty than any combustion engine, which can blow head gaskets and bust timing chains well within that period. Your fear of battery life is misplaced.
@UFO: Hmm didnt know about that. How much will it usually cost to repair for those issue you mentioned?
you might change you mind when your find out that you can charge for free almost any where in Queensland and SA, I have owned a model 3 for 3 months now and have saved 100% on fuel costs my local shoping center has free 32amp chargers. never paid a cent to charge. the amount of money you save on services and never paying for fuel again is astronomical. People when they realize this they realize the worth of an EV.
Shhh. Just let them keep bragging. Don't tell. Let them take a few more years to find out.
Australia loves taxes
Save your money people. Now is the WORST time to be buying an EV. The technology is changing so fast that something like this will be worth almost $0 in 5 years from now. Why would anyone want to take a depreciation hit of $8000 per year to drive a car that is this slow and ugly?
They think they're saving us all from climate catastrophe. Either that or they can more comfortably feel like a good morally superior lefty.
Nope… it makes financial sense. Will cost thousands less year to own and run.
I know the "climate catastrophe" is coming, because there's too many people out there who refuse to do anything about it. No changing that.
But in the meantime I don't want to be stuck catching public transport or walking if there's every a fuel shortage or massive price rise. And since we don't make any of the stuff ourselves, and only have about 30 days in reserve, it doesn't take a mathematician to work out what happens when China or anyone else blocks fuel from getting here."Will cost thousands less year to own and run".
Please show me your calculations for this. Charging an EV is not free, and with electricity prices going higher and higher, I don't see how you would be saving much, especially when you can get an equivalent ICE car for almost half the price.@billy_bob: Mr Billy Bob, www.google.com.au
There are stacks and stacks of calculations for you to ponder.
Even if you charge every night off-peak (you don't have to, you can off-set using free solar during the day), it's thousands cheaper to charge with electricity than filling with fuel. And the number is not even close… it's multiples cheaper.@UFO: Thousands cheaper? Yeah, once you forget about the outlay.
The average EV is $25-$35k more expensive than the equivalent ICE vehicle to purchase new.
How much petrol does that buy you? Think again.@R00D: So for 4-5 years you are paying back the initial higher outlay. Then what? It's free fuel! How don't you understand that?
@UFO: 5yrs / $35k buys you $135 a week of fuel, the average Australian pays $96. So the average Aussie will get another 2.5yrs approx, which makes it 7.5yrs worth to make up the cost difference.
Then you factor in the cost in energy expense to fuel your EV, which pushes it out even further.
So your claim of "it's thousands cheaper to charge with electricity than filling with fuel. And the number is not even close… it's multiples cheaper." is just total garbage, sorry. Once initial layout is comparable, not so. Hopefully now YOU understand, it was my pleasure BTW.@UFO: Please check my calculations for Kona EV vs Kona ICE. If you think you will recover the costs in 4-5 years, you are dreaming. It's more like 25 years.
@UFO: I can guarantee I have done a lot more research on this topic than most people, especially as I am a professional Engineer working in the automotive industry.
Have a look at the Hyundai Kona as an example. EV version is 28k more than petrol version. Plus you will need to spend about 3k to install a level 2 charger at home. So there is an extra 31k upfront cost to get the EV instead of the ICE version.Of course the charging costs will be cheaper than the fuel costs, but how many years will it take to break even?
If you drive 15,000 km per year:
Fuel cost will be 6.2L/100KM x 150 x $1.80/L = $1674 per year.
Electricity cost will be (450km / 65kWh / $0.2/kWh): 33.3 x 65 x 0.2 = $433 per year
In Victoria, EV's also have to pay the Zero- and Low-Emissions Vehicle (ZLEV) levy at 2.6 c/km which comes to $390 per year.Servicing costs for the Kona EV are $1445 for 5 years, which is about the same as the ICE car.
Depreciation is a bit of an unknown so let's leave it out.So for those not living in Victoria, the yearly fuel saving is $1241 which means it will take 25 years to make up the initial $31,000 extra that was paid.
For the poor Victorians, the yearly saving is only $851, so it will take 36 years to make up the initial $31,000 extra that was paid.Unfortunately I don't think an EV Kona will be usable for anywhere near 25 years, so you will never recover that initial outlay. So where are the real savings?
Not to mention that the ICE owner can use the $31,000 they saved upfront to offset their home loan or park it in a high interest account that will earn them around $1400 a year, which almost covers their entire annual fuel cost.
I look forward to your counter argument :)
everyone's use case (and ability to outlay capital to see out opex savings) is very different. in my case, i am doing 30K kms per year in a 2 tonne ice tank using ulp. pretty easy to spend $5K on fuel (forget about 2.x services per year, plus accelerated wear and tear to be addressed by higher servicing costs, tyre replacement). so having a "free solar" solution for an ev makes sense.
but we do have extremely high capex outlay (solar, wall charger, msb to garage, the ev itself), which will take more than 3-5 years to pay back. i.e. you'll save $5K pa on fuel and lower servicing cost. but we need to sell our ice tank (it's still pretty new so we will cop a massive hit on resale, versus just letting the car depreciate and hold onto it for >5 years). this plus the opportunity cost of investing the outlay on assets that generate more income - 7+ years pay back. maybe not as high as 10years.
ultimately for us, it was less a financial decision compared to "f being a slave to russia/covid/china/whatever else affecting oil pricing". none of it relates to the saving the environment.
@inamberclad: I agree. I gladly rid myself of my expensive (euro) ICE which was costing me a bomb in diesel, $1k+ a year in servicing, constant repairs. And to think this was a luxury euro ICE car as well.
I love my EV. Fast, quiet, a pleasure to drive. It's priceless being able to drive past a petrol station and give the finger to big oil. Not to mention 47c per litre to the govt for fuel excise.
FYI, I only need to charge once a week, and charge via my excess solar production at weekends.
As to the nay-sayers, I'll keep doing what I do best for myself, you keep polluting away with your fossil fuel burning ICE cars and throwing money at big oil.
have you seen the price of a used tesla? the used market is not much cheaper than the new market, EVs haven't been around long enough to depreciate that fast. There isn't enough evs to depreciate. petrol cars how ever you will loose half the value as soon as you drive out the dealership
Have you seen the price of a used RAV4 Hybrid though? It only seems to appreciate rather than depreciate. There aren't enough cars going around petrol or EV at the moment, price only ever goes up. In saying that we have both a RAV4 and Atto 3, can't go wrong with either petrol shortage or electricity shortage.
yeah for me it was got full ev or not. I didnt' want to ever pay for petrol ever again. I like being able to recharge from home if I wanted to, and i like taking avantage of free charging, and 1 service a year. The cost savings from a hybrid even is still alot better with an ev.
I say the same for iPhones but they still sell :(
most of that could be found through google..
Username checks out
What Google, the site that cant be access in China
Probably the same one that is available in Hong Kong, and Australia.
yeah regardless of what the warranty is if anything goes wrong with a BYD in Australia good luck getting it fixed.
Don't trust the battery will last long from a this country
Yeah probably better in a Tesla, made in…
most people don't realise BYD was a battery company long before they became the biggest EV producer. if it's good enough for tesla..
Chan… Must be another Hker haha.
Enough said
And they'll push that $1000 deposit as often as possible no matter how many no's or reasons you give them. Booked a test drive and was asked at least 10 times via SMS, phone calls and during the drive, he even had me wait around to tell his manager no a bunch of times too then booked a time in to call me to ask if I'd like to give them $1000 again the next week heh.
that's odd. we test drove the atto 3 a few months ago, did not mention deposit at all. sounds like there's a overzealous staff, not sure if they have a commission structure
Too expensive for 70KW motor, it should be the 150KW at this price then it's more attractive
Why you should never buy Chinese EVs espeically BYD.
BYD… Buy Your Death?
Jesus H Christ… This isnt a "deal" it's RRP. It is also $100 less than the MG4 which has a bigger battery capacity and a more powerful motor… Added to this, MG have an "actual" dealer network while BYD have some car park basement My Car outlets and some converted ex Holden and Nissan showrooms…
Added to all of this, it is a pre-order. On top of that, only the shit version will be available first… and then the mid spec with the "hot hatch" version coming in 2024.
I get it, but this is bullshit. BYD waited until MG announced their prices and then just made this one $100 cheaper. This is the Bunnings/Officeworks equivalent of having an item for sale and to "beat" everyone else, they make it just $1 less. It's just bullshit marketing.
Technically it is the cheapest EV in Australia, but at $100 less than the MG, it's also Australia's shittest EV. Better value can be had and that $100 jump up to the MG4 is an easy hurdle to jump over.
how is this a deal? isnt it just RRP?
Looking for an EV this is the cheapest, and it's half the price of what the cheapest EV was just a few years ago = bargain. I know it's a loose definition, but just look at the votes 10:1 think that it is. Agreed that if something has been available for years at a RRP price, then it should not be posted, but this is a bargain price to be getting an EV.
Bargain defn: "a thing bought or offered for sale much more cheaply than is usual or expected"
It's for those crazy EV fan boys who think they will be cool after buying one.
I'd recommend some time on Youtube to see just how many of these are spontaneously bursting into flames.
you should research the same for ICE and hybrid cars!
funny that i havent seen any
whens the last time your phone blew up?
These MSM are simply brain washing you to think EVs all blow up
Stats show ICE cars blow up more than EVIts going to be funny when all the EV haters see that sodium batteries will soon become mainstream, i wonder what they will come up with next.
EV haters are usually the ones that can't afford an ev so they slander it, in reality EVs are alot faster than alot of the petrol cars today, they tried to ban evs from race tracks in the U.S. because they kept beating petrol cars lol. It always makes me laugh when some guy in a Ram or clubsport or a ute thinks they have a chance agrainst my model 3, and end up eating my dust.
I'm less worried about EV's in general, moreso the brand, with no info yet about what their support will be like in Australia. And lots of social complaints about problems with them in China being censored or denied to chase a global market.
My phone blew up when I tried to change the battery. Tried to force it out with a knife and pierced it! That said i'm in the process of buying an EV
thats not even the same thing, thats like saying you took a match and put it into a fuel canister full of unleaded.
It isn't a matter of people trying to brainwash you that EVs are bad. That is completely missing the point.
I'd love an EV.
I'd be very wary of buying a BYD. You shouldn't be able to make a compilation video of many new BYDs in flames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOA7qKMcjcE
China is hardly known for their openness on safety issues. Personally id be worried after the first few fires here the authorities get involved and the company just leaves.
how many exactly?
The CCP will tell you zero… and lie aboit how many are selling.
I agree ICE and hybrids can suffer the same, but at least reputable manufacturers and markets are a bit more forthcoming.
If we had a bunch of new Toyotas explode in flames i suspect that would get action.
Compilation videos of new BYDs on fire in China should be concerning. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOA7qKMcjcE
Did i offend a BYD lover or BYD shill? Negative voting valid criticism of this brand wont solve their problems.
If anyone wants to take the risk with them, go for it.
Be mindful of battery chemistry for these too - not a game changer but be aware of what you are buying and the reason its cheaper.
The BYD batteries are LFP so they need to be treated differently than other EV's with different battery chemistry. They need a full 100% charge relatively frequently and i think you need to deplete them down to 20% every few months to maintain battery health (not 100% sure on this one). Volvo, Tesla, Polestar and BMW uses NMC batteries which are more expensive and should have higher range on a like for like sized battery.
In-laws have one of the previous BYD's - they love it, LED lights everywhere.
Tesla model Y RWD and 3 also use LFP batteries.
It's their performance and long range that don't.Unlike NMC & NCA, LFP batteries don't contain nickel, cobalt & magnesium, resulting in cheaper manufacturing costs. It's also more robust & less susceptible to thermal runaway compared to NMC. Key advantage of LFP is its longer life cycle, resulting in less degradation concerns.
Don't buy this EV.. It's pretty bad.
how u kno
$1k deposit? Tesla only need $400 for their most expensive EV
Is Tesla fully refundable?
No
There a myth that buying a EV and charging it from solar makes them a Tony stark.
Thanks got 2 !
saw it in person on display, even uglier and very cheap looking.
MG4 over this any day of the week.
I’m in the market for a new car but just can’t be stuffed getting an EV - being taxed here in Victoria is a dealbreaker and there’s not enough infrastructure.
I’m tempted to go with a Tesla because Melbourne Airport has Tesla super chargers. And that I’ll generally travel out of MEL once every 5 days.
Huh? Tesla's are EV's.
The price difference of the Victorian EV tax on a $38000 car versus a $90000 car.
The EV tax $1 to the car cost ratio is a better value proposition with Telsa than this.So your saying the way to reduce the EV tax is to pay more for your car?
@ialam99: Well to make it the most cost effective solution
$5k at $38k is 13.15% tax
$5k at $90k is 5.56% tax@AircraftFreight: Er, the 5.56% option costs you 90 thousand dollars and the 13.15% option only costs you 38 thousand dollars.
Did you forget that you have to pay for the actual car alongside the tax 😁
Tesla charger still in airport?
Only at the Qantas Valet facility
I've got some bad news for you, you're still paying fuel excise every time you fill an ICE car. Better ride a push bike if you don't want to pay tax.
We will be seeing a lot of these on the roads.
The Chinese brands are then only ones able to keep up with demand and have a competitive price.I fear for the Australian public… people are just waiting for a catastrophe to happen…. despite all the recent 2022/2023 evidence of these exploding in China…
I dont expect mass casualties. I would however be worried after a few fires that their safety is called into question.
Will they distributor honour the first round or recalls or will they just up and leave? They have very little presence here as it is.
If their safety is proven outside of China and it actually looks like they will hang around i'd consider one. Not at this point though.
No deal. MSRP
0 - 100 in 12.3 seconds
ground clearance 130mmIs that correct? I saw those figures quoted on some EV site I was at today and they caught my eye, the acceleration in particular. I didn't know you could make an EV that slow.
Normal price can't see the bargain. Mg4 $100 more and more powerful.
Lets all buy Chinese cars so the CCP can track all our movement and listen in to our conversation, Mr.Xie will be proud of the Aussies
Not a deal. Not worthy of Ozbargain.
You get what you pay for eventually, have fun with the cheap car
Simply a bad deal. It has less range and power than a base MG4, not to mention it looks worse (opinion) and has design quirks and branding that don’t seem to appeal to the majority of Aus car buyers. MG4 also has a reasonably large dealer footprint for sales and service. I had high hopes for EVDirect and have followed them over the years but feel very underwhelmed by their offerings to date.
How much are servicing costs over 10 years versus an ICE car?
Will depend if the battery lasts that long. You save on oil changes but it's probably 20-30K when you need a new battery.
I would be cautious of the quality control of these vehicles, I personally wouldn’t have my family drive in these cars for safety reasons.
This YouTuber lived in China for 14 years and now exposes stories to the West which are hidden from the mainstream. Quite eye opening.
https://youtu.be/qKa8mVOe5so - exploding batteries / cars
Congratulations on being probably the fifth person to post those two links on this thread.
How can something be hidden from the mainstream when it is publicly available on Youtube, and the guy has 1.3 million subscribers?
in that way yes.. so does the MG4 with more power and longer range