Ford Mustang Mach-E Drive Away - Select $63,000, Premium $77,000, GT $94,000 (up to $12,000 off) @ Ford

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Ford Mustang Mach-E Drive Away - Select $63,000, Premium $77,000, GT $94,000 (up to $12,000 off) @ Ford
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E5TOQUE on 17/05/2025 - 20:23 ford.com.au (7474 clicks)
Last edited 17/05/2025 - 23:03 by 1 other user

Ford Australia has dropped the price of the Mustang Mach-E by up to $12,000 and has moved to drive-away prices.
Servicing costs range from $140 - $185 every 12 months or 15,000km.

If you want to look at the history of price drops since the car launched, look further down.

New prices (now drive-away)

  • Ford Mustang Mach-E Select: $63,000 Drive Away
  • Ford Mustang Mach-E Premium: $77,000 Drive Away
  • Ford Mustang Mach-E GT: $94,000 Drive Away

Price Reduction History:

Mach-E Select
  • Launch Price: $79,990 before on-roads
  • Late 2023 Price Drop: $72,990 before on-roads
  • May 2024 Price Drop: $64,990 before on-roads
  • May 2025 Price Drop: $63,000 drive-away
Mach-E Premium Price History
  • Launch Price: $91,665 before on-roads
  • Late 2023 Price Drop: $86,990 before on-roads
  • May 2024 Price Drop: $79,990 before on-roads
  • May 2025 Price Drop: $77,000 drive-away
Mach-E GT
  • Launch Price: $107,665 before on-roads
  • Late 2023 Price Drop: $104,990 before on-roads
  • May 2024 Price Drop: $97,990 before on-roads
  • May 2025 Price Drop: $94,000 drive-away

Servicing Costs:

Every 15,000km or 12 months

  • 15,000km or 1 year = $140
  • 30,000km or 2 year = $185
  • 45,000km or 3 year = $140
  • 60,000km or 4 year = $185
  • 75,000km or 5 year = $140
  • 90,000km or 6 year = $185
  • 105,000km or 7 year = $140
  • 120,000km or 8 year = $185
  • 135,000km or 9 year = $140
  • 150,000km or 10 year = $185
  • 165,000km or 11 year = $140
  • 180,000km or 12 year = $185

Go here: https://www.ford.com.au/owners/service/calculator/

Long Term Aussie Reviews:

Chasing Cars Part 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-ShUUo_3ug

Chasing Cars Part 2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTEZhfTjzGk

CarExpert:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yNevFEKYQU

Power/Torque

  • Mustang Mach-E Select RWD: 198kW / 430Nm
  • Mustang Mach-E Premium RWD: 216kW / 430Nm
  • Mustang Mach-E GT AWD: 358kW / 860Nm

Battery Chemistry

  • Mustang Mach-E Select: 71kWh LFP Battery (Can be charged to 100% repeatedly with far less degradation occurring compared to NMC)
  • Mustang Mach-E Premium: 91kWh NMC Battery (Should be charged to ~80 day to day, only charging 100% for long journeys)
  • Mustang Mach-E GT NMC 91kWh Battery (Should be charged to ~80 day to day, only charging 100% for long journeys)

Know your battery packs! LFP vs NMC

I'd recommend educating yourself. Youtube is a good place to start.
This is another reason why I would choose the Mach-E Select grade over the others.

LFP has no cobalt or nickel. See how this stuff is mined and by who (its done by children in a lot of cases).
LFP can be charged to 100% over and over again with less degradation occurring compared to NMC batteries
LFP has heavily reduced thermal runaway issues

Range

  • Mustang Mach-E Select: 470km
  • Mustang Mach-E Premium: 600km (When you factor in that you need to limit day to day charging to 80% on the NMC battery fitted to this car, it's the same day to day range you would get in the cheaper Select model. You just have the option of longer range on the odd occasions you charge up to 100%)
  • Mustang Mach-E GT: 490km

If you want a more accurate understanding of battery range please refer to the ev-database website. They have some good breakdowns on range based on ambient temperature.

See here:
https://ev-database.org/#group=vehicle-group&rs-pr=10000_100…

Refreshed MY25 Mach-E coming H2 2025.

It's worth pointing out that the Mach-E has had a large refresh last year in overseas markets. Australia won't be getting it until H2 2025. If you want to see what the refresh includes here the article here:
https://www.drive.com.au/news/2025-ford-mustang-mach-e-updat…

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Comments

  • duodeta on 17/05/2025 - 20:28
    +38

    American vehicles? No thanks. I like Germany cars. I love Japanese cars

    • derekek on 17/05/2025 - 20:30
      +106

      I like German cars I love Japanese cars, but I will only pay for Chinese cars :)

        • wrjcu on 17/05/2025 - 23:41

          Why'd you get down voted for your choice in cars?

          • shiny1 on 17/05/2025 - 23:45
            +21

            @wrjcu: My guess is that it can come off as pretentious and humble-braggy, whereas the comment above was borderline humorous /self deprecating and mostly relatable. The original comment was a stab at the poor value of the Mach E, as well as a common sentiment that most people have about cars.

        • tanastra on 18/05/2025 - 09:02
          +5

          Any one love Korean Cars ? I do. 🫰

          • SYLTB on 18/05/2025 - 09:34
            -4

            @tanastra: If they are like crap toyoto cemry, then they do like. lol :)

          • clubhonda on 18/05/2025 - 13:41

            @tanastra: Korean cars are still mired in a class action lawsuit for their engines. I wanted a used one but skipped them in the end.

          • Thunderdownunder on 20/05/2025 - 20:13

            @tanastra: Koreans love Korean cars, I just whish they would stick to one shape and only improve it internally over 10years. It is not that they bad vehicle they are not, but a rear taillight on some models is no longer available OEM … Only wreckers after 5 years.

      • freeb1e4me on 17/05/2025 - 23:25
        +17

        $63K+ for a MY23 Model 🙅‍♂️

    • E5TOQUE on 17/05/2025 - 20:31
      +14

      Shame the Japanese suck at making EV's and PHEV's at the moment.
      Hopefully things turn around soon. Toyota seems to have some nice stuff on the horizon.

      German made is nice.
      VW, Skoda, Cupra, Audi all have nice stuff about to arrive.

      • BargainBuddy on 18/05/2025 - 01:17
        -5

        I love Japanese cars and I’m honestly relieved they suck at EVs. While the rest of the world is busy making boredom boxes, Japan’s cranking out proper cars like the WRX, BRZ, GR86, GR Corolla, GR Yaris, LC300, 70 Series, Lexus LC500, Miata, GTR, Patrol and Type R. Respect.

        • get-innocuous on 18/05/2025 - 11:34
          +7

          The future of cars is electric and I’d rather the companies making those cars also made great EVs.

          • BargainBuddy on 19/05/2025 - 16:04

            @get-innocuous: If you’re a millennial or an old-school car enthusiast, you know what I mean. We grew up with ICE cars. The sound of the revs, the thrill of turbos, the satisfaction of a manual gearbox. Taking the four-wheel drive into the bush, towing a boat or a caravan. That was part of the experience.

            For someone who just uses a car as a daily tool, who doesn’t look back at their parked car and think, “hell yeah,” electric vehicles might be perfectly fine. Maybe they enjoy the instant acceleration, the sleek modern design, or they are simply not into off-roading or outdoor adventures. And that is completely valid.

            Perhaps this is where the world is heading, just like how many kids today prefer screens over spending time outside. Who really knows? But for me, that lifestyle is hard to embrace.

            The only electric car that ever caught my attention was the IONIQ 5 N. But even that had to artificially recreate engine sounds and gear shifts to make it more exciting. That says a lot.

            Electric cars are not for everyone. Just like petrol and diesel cars are not for everyone. And now there is hydrogen as well. The market will definitely become more diverse.

            But one thing is certain. Nothing is going to completely disappear.

          • dukeGR4 on 19/05/2025 - 18:00

            @get-innocuous:

            The future of cars is electric and I’d rather the companies making those cars also made great EVs.

            FYI, the big Germans have just restarted ICE R&D, after putting an expiry date on them a few years back.

            The future is a combination of PHEV, mild-hybrids and EV. The former 2 will dominate the landscape.

            Issue with EVs is they have no soul, absolutely no character. how can something without soul be the future.

            • Thunderdownunder on 20/05/2025 - 20:18

              @dukeGR4: How can something without soul be the future……Keir Starmer enters the Chat after giving away near everything to the EU for 0ver 10years.
              No claw backs.

            • Priceisright on 04/06/2025 - 20:53

              @dukeGR4: They probably said the same thing when they went from horse and carriage to cars.

        • Clickbait on 18/05/2025 - 12:34
          +2

          I am a little uninformed, but I suspect the Japanese government wasn't chucking billions of $$$$$ at them to make. their Hybrids are a world class compromise, and arguably the only right way to seque into an EV world

    • OZBMate8911 on 17/05/2025 - 20:48
      +8

      Keep in mind there's always been effectively two Fords. An American one and a European one.

      My recollections of the Sydney EV show event:

      While I generally agree on your sentiment re American vehicles I will say I recall being impressed with the fit and finish on these, as well as the attention to the ergonomics.

      I don't recall right now whether they are in comparable price brackets but I got out of one of these and hopped into a VW ID4/5 right after, and there was definitely a big gap in build quality, and not in VWs favour.

      Now I'm talking about it - the takeaway from that show for me is that the West is in big BIG trouble. The West had very lacklustre representation (where was Hyundai?!?!?) and what was there paled in comparison regarding fit and finish and feature sets.

      (What they're like to drive I do not know - didn't get a chance to sample the merchandise)

      • 1st-Amendment on 18/05/2025 - 08:43
        +1

        Keep in mind there's always been effectively two Fords. An American one and a European one.

        Wash your mouth out.
        For a while there was an Australian one too, and if you know anything about engines, the Barra was a world class engine designed and built in Australia.

        the takeaway from that show for me is that the West is in big BIG trouble

        Some of us have known this for years, hence why the US president is who he is. It's funny to see how people recognise a problem, but don't want to admit to the solution to that problem.

        The West had very lacklustre representation (where was Hyundai?!?!?)

        Not sure South Korea counts as 'The West'…

        • OZBMate8911 on 18/05/2025 - 09:09

          Wash your mouth out.

          Yes I deserve the caning for leaving Aus and the almighty Barra out lol, thank you.

          It's funny to see how people recognise a problem, but don't want to admit to the solution to that problem.

          I don't think there's one single solution to that problem. Without getting heavily into the current state of play, I think a coordinated effort between democratic nations to slow the rise of the Chinese EV while incentivizing established outfits to innovate and catch up is probably the wisest one.

          Not sure South Korea counts as 'The West'…

          Yeah I thought that after I posted but figured the sentiment would be understood. I should have said democratic nations or the established outfits as I've done above

          • 1st-Amendment on 21/05/2025 - 10:44

            @OZBMate8911:

            I don't think there's one single solution to that problem.

            Agree, but if you flip that, there was one thing exacerbating it and that could not continue.

            The West has been asleep at the wheel for the last 30 years, we all got too comfortable when the Cold War ended, but we are finally getting back on track.

    • TEER3X on 17/05/2025 - 21:13
      +2

      Mustangs are pretty well built, not sure about the e version, but you would think even better.

      Some German cars are absolute rubbish.

      • Xizor on 17/05/2025 - 22:08
        +9

        Agree. German cars have gone down bill big time the past decade plus especially in terms of reliabaility and real costs to maintain over the life. Im generalizing but they arent what they were thats for sure. I'd be extremely hesitant buying German with my own coin these days.

        • 1st-Amendment on 18/05/2025 - 08:45
          -3

          and real costs to maintain over the life

          They cost more to maintain because they use higher quality parts. Higher grade materials, higher tolerances etc. these things cost money.

          Im generalizing but they arent what they were thats for sure.

          Higher quality engineering will always cost more. Always has, always will.

          • youfnc on 18/05/2025 - 09:47
            +1

            @1st-Amendment:

            They cost more to maintain because they use higher quality parts

            Wrong.

          • Maz78 on 18/05/2025 - 09:54
            +3

            @1st-Amendment: They cost more to maintain because they use higher quality parts. Higher grade materials, higher tolerances etc. these things cost money.

            BS. Plenty of BMW/VW/Merc products use plastic water pumps, poorly designed ancillary systems, etc.
            They're still banking of their "quality" perception that ended in the 90's.

            • PhilToinby on 19/05/2025 - 15:25

              @Maz78: As an engineer, I'd argue that there can be a huge difference between a well designed part in the correct material specification, and a cheaply designed part or a cheap material. There are thousands of different types of 'plastics' you can specify that will all perform differently, last longer, have better dimensional stability, less creep, etc

              Which company has the best 'plastic' parts are probably those who are known for their reliability, e.g. Toyota, Subaru, but I can't comment on newcomers. At the end of the day if they offer a decent warranty it's in the car companies interest to use decent quality parts or the cost of repairs over a 5-10 year warranty period would be too high.

          • Xizor on 18/05/2025 - 10:24

            @1st-Amendment: My point is that whilst that was true, at a materials and component level it has become less and less over the past 20 years. And its not just their cars, but almost everything down to whitegoods. I hazard a guess its simply down to decisions made to bring costs down. Everything from outsourcing to offshoring introduces risks to the end product (I see it in my own profession every day, i joke it is what keeps me employed), inferior materials (prolific out of Chinese companies both in terms of quality control, corruption, inferior grade raw materials or substuting so you end up with items at a significantly better price but in reality are compromised i.e. shortered expected lifespan, more variability in output standard and so forth). For every company in China that makes an item genuinely of high standard, there are dozens that fudge it. They are all in the supply chain.

            I sympathise with it a great deal, alot of companies have very limited means to maintain standards and be competitive against the backdrog of companies that live in a world of state backed advantages, zero transparency, espionage, theft, and increasingly state backed misinformation to silence discourse by bringing race/pick your *fobia into things.

            • Clickbait on 18/05/2025 - 12:53

              @Xizor: Thanks for posting such a comprehensive coverage of Europe. I would like to a bit add this.
              Every Eurpoean country of consequence retains it's own Automotive industry
              Do you think this might be highly subsidised by each government?
              Remember when Australia had Holden and Ford, and even with huge govt subsidies, they became more expensive than imports, while the unions sumultaneous pushed wages beyond sustainable levels, and the whole industry closed down.
              Now we have no defensive manufacturing capability of any consequence.
              Australia was the canary in the coalnine and now Europe is cheapening their product to control costs. Quality was never a big sell point in USA. There it was BIG

              • rooster7777 on 18/05/2025 - 16:19

                @Clickbait: I'd argue about australian auto subsidies being huge. If they didn't have the free trade agreements allowing in a flood of imports at nil duty, things would have been different. A small import tariff would have made a big difference to the viability of the australian manufacturing industry… the auto makers and the raft of supporting manufacturing enterprises.
                I'm not taking a position on whether dropping support of australian cars was good or not… I'm simply saying that's what the situation was.
                Australian tariff on cars is 5%. UK tariff on cars is 10%. Much of the rest of the world has a tariff rate of 10% or higher.

                • Clickbait on 18/05/2025 - 17:35

                  @rooster7777: Yeah it is a chicken and egg thing. I have a Ford engineer mate who bought himself a Melb apartment overlooking the GrandPrix track. It's a great way to spend a weekend, but I'm still shaking my head. he could have been like the rest of them and bought a fishing boat to go behind their Territory

          • clubhonda on 18/05/2025 - 13:44
            +2

            @1st-Amendment:

            Block-quoteHigher grade materials, higher tolerances etc. these things cost money.

            You are very, very wrong. They have lower tolerances, and require very precise servicing and operating environments or they break down. A Toyota would have a high tolerance, not German cars!

            • 1st-Amendment on 21/05/2025 - 10:29
              -1

              @clubhonda:

              They have lower tolerances, and require very precise…

              Very precise means higher tolerances. I think you may be confused as to what this word means from an engineering perspective.

          • Thunderdownunder on 20/05/2025 - 20:27

            @1st-Amendment: I understand about higher quality breakdowns, and yes, Higher quality engineering will always cost more….. To repair.
            New Battery replacement, go to dealer or you will brick your car.
            It is a battery for goodness sake, Get over the charge rate correction for $129.35+tax and the start stop battery was $400 + a day off work.. Sold! brought a Toyota Lexus RC 350 …. Bliss with Bite.

      • denzel on 17/05/2025 - 22:45
        +7

        VW's are lemons. Never will I buy one again.

        • topherboi on 18/05/2025 - 07:56

          Some VW's are lemons.

          FTFY.

          Every automotive manufacture makes lemons, some more then others but no one is immune.

      • tanastra on 18/05/2025 - 09:05
        +1

        Check the tailgate boot latch area of these cars, mostly gone rusty even for anything under 3 years old… And crash ratings is really bad , 3 stars.

    • cvnt on 17/05/2025 - 21:26
      +7

      Chinese cars are going to dominate soon

    • bondy28 on 17/05/2025 - 22:41
      +4

      I love lamp

    • smartProverble on 17/05/2025 - 23:59

      Everyone forgets about the Korean cars?

      The Hyundai Motor group (Hyundai / Kia / Genesis) is the world's 3rd largest auto manufacturer. They're doing pretty good with EVs but aren't priced competitively to Chinese EVs in Australia.

      • Maz78 on 18/05/2025 - 09:57
        -1

        If only they didn't create such ugly damn vehicles. EV3/5, Santa Fe, Ioniq6.

        • Clickbait on 18/05/2025 - 12:55

          I am seriously torn about the Kia Tasman

          • moo on 19/05/2025 - 11:30

            @Clickbait: The Kia Tasman is one of those vehicles that may grow on ya… it looked fugly initially, but it is growing on me now.

      • clubhonda on 18/05/2025 - 13:45
        +1

        I live the Genesis, but sooo expensive!

    • nikoris on 18/05/2025 - 00:32
      +3

      Didn't take long for the America hate to strike again.

    • Dr Phil on 18/05/2025 - 11:44

      Show me a German or Japanese Mustang.
      Im sorry but they are a one of a kind.

  • syba on 17/05/2025 - 20:31
    +39

    +1 for the informative write up

  • hopper on 17/05/2025 - 20:34
    +2

    In melbourne west, I'm seeing more tesla cars compared to camry these days. I hardly see a mustang. Any idea about service costs?

    • E5TOQUE on 17/05/2025 - 20:44
      +2

      Every 15,000km or 12 months

      • 15,000km or 1 year = $140
      • 30,000km or 2 year = $185
      • 45,000km or 3 year = $140
      • 60,000km or 4 year = $185
      • 75,000km or 5 year = $140
      • 90,000km or 6 year = $185
      • 105,000km or 7 year = $140
      • 120,000km or 8 year = $185
      • 135,000km or 9 year = $140
      • 150,000km or 10 year = $185
      • 165,000km or 11 year = $140
      • 180,000km or 12 year = $185
      • hopper on 17/05/2025 - 20:51
        +4

        Not bad I guess, looks reasonable.

        • E5TOQUE on 17/05/2025 - 21:15
          +3

          Very reasonable.
          and should be cheaper to insure too.

          Some competitor brands to this cost an absolute fortune to insure.

      • tonyjzx on 17/05/2025 - 20:51
        +7

        these service costs are amazing

        literally the chinese could do well to copy these

        and as far as the euros go… lol they'll never get there

      • WhiteEvo6 on 17/05/2025 - 21:16
        +16

        No idea why they have servicing on an EV, I have a Tesla, zero servicing costs unless I could wiper fluid. Seems like a money grab

        • tonyjzx on 17/05/2025 - 21:24
          -1

          i'd happily pay $140 - $185 a year not to drive a tesla

          • Maz78 on 18/05/2025 - 10:03
            +3

            @tonyjzx: Would be amazing if people judged the vehicle on its capabilities rather than its CEO…
            Then they'd think otherwise

            • spaceflight on 18/05/2025 - 10:10

              @Maz78: I've had a Mach E and Tesla as long term hire cars.

              I'd buy the Mach E because it was a better car.

            • Sammyboy on 18/05/2025 - 12:36
              +2

              @Maz78: Seems like there were many people who made their decision for the election based on their dislike for a particular person overseas. Says it all really.

          • eccaz on 19/05/2025 - 02:01

            @tonyjzx: No you wouldn’t.

        • E5TOQUE on 17/05/2025 - 21:51
          +6

          servicing on Tesla is condition based.
          The other thing they don't tell you is generally speaking insurance costs on Tesla's are substantially higher then other brands.

          So what you might be saving in servicing costs, you are just handing over to an insurance company instead.

          The Mustang Mach-E will be cheaper to purchase, and likely cheaper to own/run long term once you factor in all running costs, inc insurance.

        • 1st-Amendment on 18/05/2025 - 08:51
          -1

          No idea why they have servicing on an EV I have a Tesla, zero servicing costs unless I could wiper fluid.

          You aren't getting your brakes checked? Tyre checks/rotation? Bushing and bearing checks? Cabin filters replaced? Battery health check?
          Even just a once year look over by a qualified mechanic to ensure the machine you are driving doesn't kill you? No wonder Tesla premiums are so high…

        • Nom on 18/05/2025 - 12:28
          +1

          I have a Tesla, zero servicing costs

          So who is regularly checking your tyres, brakes, shocks, and all the other consumables on your Tesla ?

          There are only zero servicing costs if you do those checks yourself - and if you know how to check them yourself, then you can self-service any car including the Mustang in this deal 🤷

          If you don't know how to check the consumables yourself, then you'll need to pay someone who does.

      • E5TOQUE on 17/05/2025 - 21:02
        +5

        Tesla Model Y refresh isn't cheaper, its drive away price is higher and thats before you add anything to it.
        Basic stuff like paint costs $2300 - $2500 extra! which just pushes the prices even higher.

        The Mach-E is roughly ~$3500 - $5500 cheaper

        And that's before you factor in insurance costs - something which Tesla's are known to cost a lot more compared to other brands.
        There are entire threads on Whirlpool around the insane insurance costs for Tesla's.

        Model Y RWD
        ~$64,000 drive away
        + $2300 - $2500 for paint
        + $2000 for 20" rims
        + $1500 for white interior

        Model Y LR AWD
        ~$80,000 drive away
        + $2300 - $2500 for paint
        + $2000 for 20" rims
        + $1500 for white interior

        • Dealer1 on 17/05/2025 - 21:35
          +2

          3500-4000 for insurance ☹️

          • jinkerjinx on 18/05/2025 - 11:12

            @Dealer1: I had a similar quote.. but another mob quoted around $1400. (i don't own, was just researching different EVs)

        • madbison on 18/05/2025 - 10:58
          +4

          While I'm not advocating for the Tesla, your LR AWS price is $6k ove rthe actual price.

          Modely Y LR AWD
          ~ $74767 drive away (not 80k)

          Additionally,
          1. The Mach-E paint options are $700 for anything other than black
          2. The cabln lighting is only on the Preimum/GT model
          3. The sound system is not as good
          4. Interior noise is far worse than the Tesla (only the windscreen is acoustic laminate, unless you get the premium, and then it is windscreen + front windows. Telsa is acoustic on all windows in the refreshed version)
          5. The FordPass app is garbage (IMO)
          6. Peak charging speed is slower (150kW max on DC. single phase 7kW max on AC, 10.5kW 3P AC)
          7. Actual driving efficiency is less (IE Mach-E needs larger battery to go same distance as mopdel Y)
          8. Only front seats are heated
          9. No rear screen for the kiddos
          10. 300L less total cargo volume than the Y (1700L vs 1400L)
          11. Doing a quote for the Mach-E Select, 38y/o, 15k kms yearly, overnight garage $2200 no glass cover (youi). Same for the Tesla Model Y, $1754)

      • TEER3X on 17/05/2025 - 21:14
        +14

        Less chance of being keyed or shat on perhaps

        • 1st-Amendment on 18/05/2025 - 08:52
          -7

          I don't live in California so there's almost no chance of crazed emotionally fragile left wing infants committing political violence here…

          • rooster7777 on 18/05/2025 - 16:22
            +5

            @1st-Amendment: Says the unbalanced poster with a name 1st-amendment… which has absolutely nothing to do with australia

            • 1st-Amendment on 19/05/2025 - 10:39

              @rooster7777:

              which has absolutely nothing to do with australia

              You have foreign flags as your avatar. The lack of self awareness here is off the charts… as usual…

              • rooster7777 on 19/05/2025 - 12:26

                @1st-Amendment: My combining the palestinian and israeli flags in one place clearly demonstrates my view of what should occur in the middle east…. without saying a word.
                I know you are unable to address the stupidity of the "1st amendment" handle… commiserations. You must have felt incredibly stupid the first time someone pointed out to you that the first amendment of the australian constitution changed dates so that elections to the federal House of Representatives and the Senate could occur simultaneously.
                Buy you being you, you've tried to bluster and buffoon your way out of that issue ever after, since your personal constitution bans you from realising your own mistakes and failings.
                All the best, and I hope someone buys you a new set of blinkers for your birthday!

                • 1st-Amendment on 20/05/2025 - 11:10

                  @rooster7777: Looks like I hit a nerve…

                  My combining the palestinian and israeli flags in one place clearly demonstrates my view of what should occur in the middle east…. without saying a word.

                  So you live in Australia but you have views about things outside of Australia. The concept is so simple that even a child could understand it, yet here you are… completely oblivious to the rope you just hung yourself with…

                  • rooster7777 on 20/05/2025 - 11:34
                    -1

                    @1st-Amendment: Your comment would have relevance ….. if you HAD known that the famous first amendment applied to america, not australia.
                    It must have been embarrassing when the realisation hit your brain.

                    • 1st-Amendment on 21/05/2025 - 10:48

                      @rooster7777:

                      It must have been embarrassing when the realisation hit your brain.

                      yet here you are… completely oblivious to the rope you just hung yourself with…

      • chiprillis on 17/05/2025 - 21:17
        +1

        build quality and preference on looks

      • MDSUXKS on 17/05/2025 - 21:18
        +1

        Agreed heaps of 2024 and 2025 pré refreshed way less than the price and come from a good company that know how to built EV.

        • tonyjzx on 17/05/2025 - 21:28
          +2

          i also think the Model 3 and Y chassis is just too old

          its a 2017 car and they just keep banging out the same shit with MY updates

          you can tell they dont have the budget to flop out a completely new model

          it'll turn 10 and we'll still be looking at basically the same thing

      • gromit on 17/05/2025 - 21:33
        +3

        Why would you buy a tesla when the chinese cars are now cheaper and better?

        • beesider on 17/05/2025 - 23:07
          +7

          Software on Chinese cars sucks compared to Tesla. Chinese cars are not better. They're less efficient, heavier, slower, and come with quirks.

          • May4th on 18/05/2025 - 00:30
            +3

            @beesider: that's a bit of an unhelpful generalisation, there are some crap cheapo tier ones and there are amazing ones that are ahead of competition.

          • MDSUXKS on 18/05/2025 - 03:07
            -1

            @beesider: Correct when comparing Toyota's and other legacy automakers yes Chinese all day long ago Tesla VS Chinese great fight. Now buying a Ford EV good luck buy a ranger not the v6 which has been recalled.

          • Creamsoda on 18/05/2025 - 00:28
            -2

            @freeb1e4me: Ah you think just like the American backed Israel.

          • noisymime on 18/05/2025 - 09:03

            @freeb1e4me: How does that not apply to Tesla as well? 'In theory' they could do an update that did those things as well.

            • freeb1e4me on 18/05/2025 - 09:28
              +1

              @noisymime: In theory all devices including EVs can be hacked. It will be interesting to see what hackers can accomplish with hacking EVs - especially now with emerging AI hacking it’s going to be scary exciting… real soon!

        • djmm on 18/05/2025 - 07:04

          Chinese manufacturer tend to chase specs but not substance

        • 1st-Amendment on 18/05/2025 - 08:56
          -2

          Why would you buy a tesla when the chinese cars are now cheaper and better?

          Define better?
          You've already used 'cheaper' but we've always known that about Chinese products

          • freeb1e4me on 18/05/2025 - 09:33

            @1st-Amendment: You should visit China for a holiday soon. It’s time. They are waiting.

          • gromit on 18/05/2025 - 12:56

            @1st-Amendment: Well given Tesla use a heap of Chinese parts, including their batteries in many of them then yeah I guess we know about chinese products.

      • cashless on 17/05/2025 - 23:24

        Because Musk doesn’t own Ford (yet).

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