WD RED Internal NAS HDD
(In same listing as the WD RED)
WD Blue Desktop HDD
Slightly cheaper NAS Drives
Seagate Ironwolf Internal NAS HDD
Link to my previous deal for SSD
Original PHASER thread was archieved
lol
google is trying to backup the internet… but the pesky thing keeps growing…
What? This comment makes no sense. Besides, do you think fast broadband internet didn't exist in Australia before NBN came along? lol.
Good price for the 8TB WD Red, bought one yesterday using PINGED for $343.20. So I can handle that.
it's $322 on the MSY site, however out of stock at the moment.
Yeah saw that, needed it this week.
8TB WD Red for $340 gives me a sad.
Time will tell if it's a mistake to consider them ROUGHLY equivalent but I am happy to have taken my chances in March with the 8TB WD Whites (one variation of them anyway) for $249.60 shipped.
249 for 8tb? Damn wish I knew about that
The white drives are, if I'm right, those shucked from externals. 1yr warranty vs 3+. Wd are a wry enterprise, so I expect these are in some metrics lesser than a conventional red.
Then again, $340 is still nuts. I picked a red up for $300 which felt better.
That's correct in the particular case I'm citing - the whites are shucked from externals. TLER disabled by default and needing to be manually enabled after every power down.
Depending on what you meant, I believe the externals have a 3 year limited warranty. I'm unsure if that's manufacturer or store (BHPhotoVideo) warranty
Most people dont realise that the firmware's for Red drives are only required for hardware RAID cards, not software RAID such as a Synology/QNAP, so the shucked drives actually work really well for most people.
Is that to say the TLER thing is a moot point in my Synology Diskstation? That feature is only needed for use with hardware RAID?
I'm not the one whose going to be able to explain it because I'm not that technical but I googled this up for you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_recovery_control
https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/nas/nas-features/31202-shoul…
They sorta explain what it is, what it does…but no so much whether or not it's a a must have feature or even matters in my use scenario. I'm still not sure and haven't had the energy to investigate it further, I just found instructions on how to enable it and know I need to re-enable it manually on power down (still haven't had to power down cause I got a ups etc) so I believe I'm sorted one way or another. TLER on won't hurt anything…is my understanding…I think. I dunno I can't read large chunks of text or full articles in recent times
8tb Western Digital too mind you (or Seagate Ironwolf or whatever their enterprise/NAS drive series are would have been cool too).
To be honest I was a bit disappointed the deal I posted was only got 11 upvotes so perhaps similar or better deals were around at that time too.
So you neg a post over a completly different HDD on sale, which you have to shuck and (likely) void the warranty on.
You said you wish you knew about it and that's the purpose of the negative vote to highlight a better deal
I wish ozbargainers would stop hating on negative votes - it's not personal!
Group think is crazy
To the point where I've purchased something wishing I knew about a major flaw and the post has tons of negative comments but NO NEGATIVE VOTES!!!
I now personally upvote negative vote comments because people are so ridiculous
@s3n: Once again, it isn't the same drive. Sure it's cheaper but it isn't the same product, negs are for when a specific item is cheaper elsewhere. Or if there is a major issue with the seller.
The rules simply say better price elsewhere
Doesn't say exactly same product
One would think that would allow comparable products from the same manufacturer WD with the same specs etc. essentially the same drive for all normal intents and purposes
@s3n: You really aren't getting my point, that's fine I'm not going to explain it again, just refer to my first reply.
Replying to your first comment: Yes I do because in my value hierarchy I saved $100 on a WD Red by buying it for $240 rather than $340
Others may agree or disagree - that's the point of an informed bargain/forum discussion
How is it any different? It does the same thing.
Same size, same brand. How could you say it's completely different??
@Sage: Would you neg a deal on a WD 500GB SATA SSD that's $159 because a WD 500GB SATA HDD can be had for $69? After all, same size, same brand… and they both are designed to store data - they do the same thing.
Anyone happen to know what the biggest drive is that will work in a N36L/N40L/N54L HP microserver is?
I have 4x 10TB Ironwolf Seagates running on my N40L without issue
Thanks for sharing the info
Is there anything needs to be done for N40L to be compatible for 10tb hdd? (Ie: flash bios?)
I have 4x6TB's in mine, no flash required.
Cheers for that, had a feeling it would be okay but wanted something concrete.
what difference is a nas hdd and a desktop hdd?
I believe NAS drives are typically lowwer RPM, for example the WD REDs are 5400 RPM, if you are getting this for gaming, you should get a 7200RPM Drive (or an SSD).
Most if not all WD Red Pro, Seagate Ironwolf (listed above) and Ironwolf Pro are 7200 RPM drives. WD Red are 5400 RPM as you mentioned.
When a lot of these companies say nas they actually mean raid hdd. They have some features which are meant to be more suitable to a raid environment. The tech in the red is called NASware. I've read it. It just sounds like marketing fluff to me!
If you're just running them as separate drives, then any hdd will work great.
Even a non-nas drive in a nas will be fine really. (never put the Seagate archive drive in a raid).
I have seen many post online where people use normal desktop drive in a drive array and have defective hard drive after a few month of usage. It just these nas drive are made to withstand more constant vibrating, higher run-time, firmware is different and is optimized for raid configuration.
Marketing fluff is to explain complex concepts to simple people.
The red's came about because people lost whole raid arrays from the way the green's behaved. If you're running a RAID 5 and an overtaxed drive decides to take a long nap, the array can kick it out, triggering either a rebuild or additional overhead because of parity reads.
If it was taking a nap because it was over stressed, you're very likely to get a second drive hitting that magical number where it also takes just that bit too long to return a response (as low cost, low speed, intended for single drive use - green's were wont to do) then your raid card nopes out of there and your array falls over.
I had my entire array built with Greens at home, 8 drives. Every single one failed over a period of 18 months and as they failed I replaced them with reds. 2 years since and all 8 Reds still going strong. doing some research "apparently" the vibrations of lots of drives together can be fatal to the Greens, how true that is I don't know or if it was simply the stress from being in an a large array I don't know but I won't touch greens again for a RAID config. I am just glad I never had multiple of them fail at the same time as that would have been a disaster.
I learned the hard way that NAS drives are more resilient to vibration. Too many drives in a pc can cause harmonic vibrations that will kill the drives, I had 3 drives fail in a week. For the sake of a few extra dollars it's worth it for the peace of mind.
Agree, plus red drive has longer warranty (3 years from memory), recently got issue with nas drive and due to the seller went bust, need to send the drive to Vietnam and got a brand new (I think) replacement from WD
Rate of failure and data loss tolerances are higher on 'NAS' drives over 'DESKTOP' drives. Also usually less prone to vibration based failures, due to multiple drives in an enclosure.
NAS hdds are specialised to operate 24/7. They also operate under 5400rpm (most desktop grade hdds are 7200 or mobile hdds are 5400).
Just highlighting that it's not the cheapest value since amazon 8TB's are better value at $244.32
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/395253
As per the rules a negative vote is to highlight that it's not the cheapest deal but you are welcome to nuke my comment into oblivion because you don't like it
Came here to read the neg vote. Have a +
This might be a cheaper price but it's an inferior product. It'd be like voting negative on a BMW deal because you can buy a Camry for half the price.
The description states NAS drives, but this link is not. By all means share that there's another deal which might be cheaper for people who don't care about warranty/NAS stuff but there's no need to neg.
If I can save just one person (ie. the one above) $100 then it's worth the negative vote IMO
Each to their own - there is no need to ever negative vote in some people's books even if the product died after 1 day
I wish I could encourage more people to make a (valid) negative vote so that we could have informed discussion on ozbargain
They're the same product. WD white labels are the just unbranded WD Reds, you can use these for a NAS.
ill buy a Camry over a BMW anyday
Lol alot of ppl is -ve the amazon 8tb my book. Let me help to neutral it lolz.
I just got them (yes the half price camrys lolz). Pretty sweet as the power adapter is 100-240w but need to by an int. adapter….instead I just used one of my std 12v 0.5a wallplug.
Works like a charm.
Aha more info. The people are correct its a white WD label drive.
I negged you for writing "lolz".
I find the WD red drives have a slow write rate.
As a single drive or in a RAID array? RAID5 can have a lower write speed than a single disk - http://www.raid-calculator.com/raid-types-reference.aspx
The conventional wisdom by tech experts on backups is known as the 3-2-1 method. Basically you want:
3 copies of any data you don't want to lose
2 different mediums it's stored on (so 2 different drives in your computer, for example)
1 copy kept offsite, to prevent against disaster.
Now I just need them to drop down some more. I'm thinking $200 per 8tb. Then I can affordably build a storage server with at least 4 drives.
Though I'd prefer to get 4 10TB drives, that way I'm less likely to run out of space.
Code isnt working for some reason :( trying to get the WD Blue 4TB
edit: works! account address was overseas.
Good find. You can never have enough storage, especially at the right price. The discount and free delivery works without eBay Plus, too.